I'm a little perplexed by Robinson's comment that: "Realistically, life in the
Pac-12 will mean fewer wins, fewer conference titles and fewer bowl trips."I'll concede the first two points. The Pac-12 will be tougher
competition, meaning the Utes will probably lose more games and winning
championships will be more difficult.But as far as bowl games, does
Robinson really believe Utah is going to sink to a sub-500 program? And even as
the Pac-12's No. 2, 3 or 4 choice, they would go to the Alamo Bowl (payout $3
Million) Sun Bowl ($4.1 M) or Holiday Bowl ($2.35 M) which are all superior to
the Las Vegas Bowl ($1 Million payout) which the No. 5 Pac 12 team would be
This article wasn't half as amusing as the majority of the comments. It seems
Doug just tugged on Superman's cape, who didn't appreciate it one bit.Personally, I think the Ute's recent brand of football should fare well in the
PAC, at least I'm hoping so. They represent the state of Utah now among the BCS
echelon. They will have a regular opportunity to wipe some the perceived
snubbery, from the faces of BCS proponents, who think that non-AQ teams can't
consistently compete with them. I hope zealous Ute fans will
remember their roots, and will become part of the solution, rather than just
another layer of the problem.
Haven't posted on here in a while, and I see the stat geeks, the history
[recent/past] arguement, and the overall us against them [choose your side] is
alive and well even though the season has yet to begin. I for one enjoyed the
story, he seemed equally bias on both teams. Utah soon will join the PAC and BYU
will soon have a new rival. I certainly hope the rivalry will never go away. And
maybe a VEGAS BOWL or two are in the future for UTAH and BYU. That would be
great in my opinion, and for the people who say, "Vegas Bowl, BYU plays a middle
ranked team in the PAC", step back and realize that BYU are playing the 3-4 best
team in a far superior conference.
VegasZoob: give it up dude: Utah is FAR superior in bowl games and in recent
history. The last 13 years the zoo has done Nothing of significances (5 top 25
with 2 of those being 25 itself, and 12 being the HIGHEST). If the zoo finishes
in the top 5 or even 10, let alone going to or WINNING a BCS bowl, then you can
talk and we will have to listen. Until then, stay on the zoo blogs, no one cares
what you say here! In business and in sports it is "What have you done for me
lately?". Five straight Vegas Bowls (with 3-2 record) just does NOT blow air up
ANYONE'S skirt. Move on dude, ybU is yesterday's (as in 1984) news.Go Utes! The future is Crimson - get USED to it!Stop whYning and
crYing on Utah blogs! You just make yourself and zooby nation look worse!
Here is an idea for Doug Robinson:He is quite an ordinary reporter
in a city like Salt Lake City. Actually, it is very hard to notice him.Now if he was to go to Nephi or Richfield, maybe he could become one of
the better reporters in the city. Think of it as a big fish in a little
pond.We would welcome that because it would give us a chance to
replace him with what could become the first DNews reporter that is really
supportive of the home town university.
VegasCoug [3 of 3]:Here's some other interesting comparative stats
for you:BOWL RECORD:Utah 12-3ybU 10-17-1Edge:
Utahvs. RANKED OPPONENTS:Utah 3-1ybU 2-13-1Edge:
Utahvs. UNRANKED OPPONENTS:Utah 9-2ybU 8-4Edge:
Utahvs. TEAMS in POWER CONFERENCESUtah 7-3ybU 10-13-1Edge: Push; Utah has a significantly higher winning percentage, but ybU has 3
more wins.vs. TEAMS NOT in POWER CONFERENCESUtah 5-0ybU
0-4Edge: Utah*POWER CONFERENCE: All teams in
currently affiliated in a BCS conference except 2001 Louisville [C-USA]. The SWC
was a power conference in 1980, so SMU counts as a power conference school.
VegasCoug [2 of 3]:FACT: The Utes faced only 4 teams who finished in
the Final AP polls, but they beat 3. So despite playing 12 fewer ranked
opponents, they still beat more than the tdS. That is a decidedly significant
edge to Utah. Another edge for the Utes shows that the highest ranked bowl
opponent you had was resulted in a 14-pt loss to #7 Tulane. The Utes had a 14-pt
win over #6 Alabama.I find it interesting that BYU's bowl opponents
have been much tougher.Perhaps it was just that ybUs bowl opponents
had been much tougher...than ybU. Utah CLEARLY had the most challenging bowl
opponent in SEC runner-up Alabama.
VegasCoug [1 of 3]:"(I did extensive research on this, looking up
every single bowl game that both teams have played)."Well it's ABOUT
TIME some zoob finally did a little research before spouting off his
hyperventilated, frantic and emotional, uneducated sports dogma.FACT: 19 of BYU's 28 bowl opponents were ranked, or 68% of their bowl
opponents.FACT: LOSING to ranked teams is NOT a standard of
excellence. Nobody cares where a runner places half-way through the race, nor
even 15 feet from the finish line. The only thing anybody cares about is the
order of the runners AS THEY CROSS the finish line. With that noted, only 16 of
ybUs bowl opponents were ranked in the final AP polls. And OF those 16 teams,
the tdS only beat 2.
VegasCoug,I love talking about the past also. I have fond memories
of high school and listening to my grandfather talk about how life was in the
1950's and how cool Elvis Presely was. Guess what is much more fun
than living in the past? Living in the present. Present score is: Boise 2 BCS
Bowls and 2-0 against the cougies on the field.Talking about the
past won't help you beat us, ever. Maybe living in the past is one of the
reasons the cougies can never plan for the future or win a current BCS game?Still waiting on your explanation on why the cougies have never made it
to a BCS Bowl or why ESPN has declared that we are the best mid-major team in
the last 10 years since the uties are no longer technically a mid-major.We are the new sheriffs of the MWC and we will dominate the MWC as we
have every time we have met on the field 2-0 against BYU.
@byronbca"most important academic field to the PAC 10 is medical
research and I don’t think it’s a coincidence that Utah and Colorado
are both ranked in the top 40 nationally in med research"I have no
doubt of this. Utah's medical program is very impressive. I have no doubt this
made them attractive to the Pac 12."but maybe I’m wrong, maybe
it’s all about football."It definetly wasn't all about
football or why else would Colorado have gotten in? They were not good this
past decade, being especially bad the last 5 years, and their basketball program
has always been AWFUL.I have stated many times on this board that
Utah's a good fit for the Pac. They've established themselves as a very good
football program in recent years, and they're a state school with good research
credentials.BYU isn't a good fit for the Pac, it's fine. Their
athletics are plenty good enough, their fan base more then big enough, but the
"uniqueness" of the institutution doesn't work for the left coasters... it is
what it is.
@byronbca"Nice stats Vegascoug but I don’t think anyone cares
what BYU did 20 to 30 years ago"* Many of the BYU accomplishments
that are factored into the stats above are from much more recent then "20 to 30
years ago". (i.e. 5 of those 17 ranked seasons have come in the last decade).
It is far too convenient for Yewts to paint the BYU legacy with a broad stroke
of "it was all 20 to 30 years ago"."now if you could pull up stats
over the last decade that shows BYU football is superior I’d be
impressed."* I have conceded many times before on this board that
Utah has the edge this past decade. BYU's had a lot of success this decade,
especially during the Bronco era (i.e. 4 straight top 25 seasons being a
big-time accomplishment; the Utes best ranked season streak is 2 seasons, in
their entire history) But I will readily admit the Utes have the edge this
decade due to the 2 BCS bowl-busting seasons. 0 BCS bowls is a
glaring hole on BYU's resume.
Vegas coug,You've spent a lot of time pounding the kewg chest. But
what now? The Utes moved up to the BSC the kewgs stay in the "mid-majors".Whatever your trying to sell us doesn't matter anymore. All the Doake
awards and Heisman finalists are part "mid-major history", not PAC12 history.Going forward, Utes are far more intrested in comparing our program
against BCS programs.Save your stats for BSU. They mean nothing to
Nice stats Vegascoug but I don’t think anyone cares what BYU did 20 to 30
years ago, now if you could pull up stats over the last decade that shows BYU
football is superior I’d be impressed. I still honestly
believe that the main reason why Utah got the nod over BYU was because in
addition to having a really good football program, Utah is a much better
research school than BYU. The most important academic field to the PAC 10 is
medical research and I don’t think it’s a coincidence that Utah and
Colorado are both ranked in the top 40 nationally in med research. The PAC 12
will easily be the second best medical researching conference behind only the
Ivy league. BYU doesn’t have a medical school. I think that means a lot
to the Pac whatever but maybe I’m wrong, maybe it’s all about
You can actually sum up the resume comparisons, or traditions, of BYU and Utah
quite easily. Just use the categories that ESPN used in their Jan. 23, 2009
all-time prestige rankings article.... WHO HAS THE EDGE?BOWL HISTORY: UTAH (Utes bowl record is very impressive)TOP 25
FINISHES (AP poll): BYU (17 to 5)10+ WIN SEASONS: BYU (15 to 5)NATIONAL AWARD WINNERS: BYU (8 TO 0)HEISMAN: BYU (1 winner,
8 finalists; UTAH = 0 winners, 1 finalist)CONFERENCE CHAMPIONSHIPS:
BYU (23 to 5 since 1970)CONSENSUS ALL AMERICANS: BYU (15 to 5)NFL 1ST ROUND PICKS (since 1970, cut-off year ESPN used): BYU (7 to
5)** Utah has defintely had a superior track record of NFL draft
picks the last few years; BYU likely to add another 1st round pick soon in Matt
Reynolds...And one more that is interesting...HALL OF
FAMERS: BYU (6 to 1)****Utah's 1 hall of famer is from the leather
helmet era; all 6 of BYU's hall of famers are from the modern era.
btw...cute graphic Des News. I can't wait to see what the next angle will be as
you continue to do your best to make the Utes look insignificant. I
must say though how impressive it is that the Des News sports writers know
football better than the PAC coaches.
AZJazzFan | 2:12 a.m. July 31, 2010 - Personally, I think the terms "loophole"
and "mythical" are most appropriate adjectives to describe the 1984
My exercise above of showing how many ranked teams BYU has played in their
bowls, as well as showing that there of lots of other prestigious programs out
there with "less then stellar" bowl records, was done to put BYU's bowl record
into perspective.LET ME MAKE ONE THING CLEAR = As a Cougar fan I
concede that Utah has a better bowl history then the Cougars. Their superior
win % coupled with the 2 BCS bowl wins make this point indisputable.
Re VegascougOne more thing, your math fails to take into account
that one of the reasons BYU's bowl game opponents have been ranked at the end of
the season is because they keep beating BYU in the last game. The reverse is
true for Utah their opponents end up not being ranked because they just lost to
the U. There is often a difference between stats and facts as your math points
Re Vegascoug:You bring up that BYU has been losing to better,
ranked, opponents in their bowl games, all that tells me is that BYU was
overrated going into those games. In 1984 BYU didn’t win one game against
a top 25 team. Don’t you have to beat the best in order to be the best? In
2008 Utah beat 3 ranked teams in the regular season, kept TCU out of a BCS bowl
game and beat Alabama, the team that spent most of the season ranked #1 in their
bowl game.Your “national championship”26 years ago might
mean more to you than 2 undefeated seasons and 2 BCS bowl wins in the last 6
years, but to the Pac 10 the latter is more impressive.
I read all the posts, what about SCOREBOARD! BYU owns the bragging rights for
this year, as they beat the Utes. Call it a loophole, controversial, mythical,
or whatever you want BYU owns a National Championship, for one year they were
selected as the best team in the nation, there was not another worthy team of
the title, #2 was UW and they didn't even win their own conference. BYU killed
them early in the season the next year. I would take one NC over 2 BCS bowl
** I made one error:Utah's bowl opponents consisted of 6 ranked
teams (Pitt was ranked in 04 going into that game).So excuse me, 6
of Utah's 15 bowl opponents were ranked, or 40%.Again, BYU... 19 of
28 bowl opponents were ranked... 68%...
VegasUteI also find it interesting that Ute's #1 go-to move to
marginalize BYU is the bowl records.I'm not going to argue that
10-17-1 is not poor. It is, no question about it.However, (laying
aside for a moment the fact that 68% of BYU's bowl opponents were ranked versus
just 33% of Utah's bowl opponents) I would like to point out the following...There are many other prestigious programs in college football with poor,
sub .500 bowl records. Here's a few examples:Texas A&M... 13-18Pitt... 11-15Oregon... 9-14Ohio State... 19-22UCLA...
14-15-1Florida... 18-19 (they were 14-18 prior to Urb)Notre Dame...
14-15 (lost 9 of their last 10)etcNow, I suppose then that if
Ute fans got into a discussion with fans of the schools above, you guys would
just dismiss them as poor football programs, right?? Or course not, because you
don't have a crimson-colored vendetta against these guys! Just the TDS!Bowl games do not an entire program's reputation make!Just
remember... 68% ranked opponents... 33% ranked opponents...
VegasUte"FACT: ybU has only been ranked 5 times in the last 13
years, twice at 25, and HIGHEST at 12"How about I flip this one
around? "Utah has only been ranked 5 times in the last 45 years" LOL. Now, as far as bowl records, it's not debatable that Utah has a better
win percentage in bowls and has a big bowl advantage with the BCS bowl wins.
What you might find interesting is the following facts:FACT: 19 of BYU's 28 bowl opponents were ranked, or 68% of their bowl
opponents.FACT: 5 of Utah's 15 bowl opponents were ranked, or just
33% of their bowl opponents.So... Utah does have a higher win
percentage in their bowl games, but I find it interesting that BYU's bowl
opponents have been much tougher. (I did extensive research on this, looking up
every single bowl game that both teams have played).This is because
BYU was regularly going to Bowls long before the bowls were watered down with a
thousand bowl games! Utah didn't start making bowls consistently until "the
watered-down bowl era" (copper, freedom, emerald, etc)
I have to admit being blown away when Doug talked about BYU sneaking through a
loophole to win a National Championship. I never thought I would hear that from
such a great Cougar booster. He is right though when he says"Now
the Utes have joined the in-crowd, and that means taking a more legitimate and
difficult road to the national championship."I think that is the
great challenge. When Utah wins it all, nobody can say they didn't earn it.
@EndOfAnError-01/20/2013 | 3:28 p.m. July 30, 2010That trend won't
have anything do with how Utah plays next year. The trend that will
determines success in 2011 will be: If a great coach can develop NFL talent.The last two years:Utah 11 players --> #2 & #18
(23-3)Oregon 11 players --> #10 & #11Washington State 4 players -->
3-22The five year trend is similar. Unless
that is if Utah's recurting gets worse, if not look for team on the field to be
K Whitt says no more PAC talk. Please.
EndOfthe Zoobs-01/20/2013:Here are some FACTS for you:FACT: Utah has 80% winning rate in bowl gamesFACT: ybU has 35%FACT: Utah has more bowl wins than ybUFACT: Utah has more bowl wins over
ranked opponents FACT: Utah has less bowl losses against unranked
opponentsFACT: Utah has two BCS bowl wins and two undefeated seasons since
2004FACT: ybU has one NC that NO ONE respects that is DECADES old and one
undefeated season 26 years oldFACT: Utah has had success in the NCAA
tourneyFACT: ybU is the epitome of failure in the NCAA tourneyFACT:
Utah has been ranked as high as 2 and 4 since 2004FACT: ybU has only been
ranked 5 times in the last 13 years, twice at 25, and HIGHEST at 12 (with there
best team ever!)FACT: if you are trying to say Utah is not worthy of
going to the PAC 12 because of your selected "FACTS", what does that say about
the zoo?Move on you jealous and bitter zoobs.Go Utes!
The future is Crimson - GET USED TO IT!
utah was the only undefeated team in the country and still only played against
the lower tier BCS game against BAMA. FLORIDA won the NC with their one loss
game to Ole Miss? Now becoming the pac10 easier road to the national title -not
going to happen if they become the only team w/o a loss. Look what happen when
utes went undefeated during U Meyer day and three others went undefeated. Both
Auburn and utes didn't get the invite. Anyway, have fun getting squashed with
the PAC and your utes fans will not show up at RES.
Well, the continuity of the rivalry game wasn't brought up, but KSL has a good
report on Bronco and how he wants to do away with the rivalry until his school
learns how to control things like Max Hall's mouth and how to teach his kids
that it's not ok to disrespect someone because you're afraid of them (i.e. by
trying to do the haka on their field in front of them)Anyways, if
the rivalry does go away, it's partly because BYU doesn't want to play Utah as
one of their OOC games every year. They would prefer to play a Northern
Illinois, Weber State or some other div II school (That's my opinion based on
Bronco's attitude during media days).Food for thought: Wouldn't it
be hilarious if BYU and Utah played each other twice in the same year? Once in
the reg season and again in a bowl game? Maybe even a BCS game (If BYU ever
makes it that far)??
So, how much BCS/PAC10 money did Arizona and ASU recieve in the last 20 years?
Question is, will Utah be happy to stay home and collect the check or will they
man up and continue in the Urban Meyer tradition? I think they will have
occasional Rose Bowl success, not every year, but I think they will earn their
BCS money. I guess that is better than wondering where the money is coming
Yes, the U will not always be playing in the Rose Bowl. But the fact remains
that it will be in our grasp every single year. We will have to always be
progressing to obtain it, BUT it will ALWAYS be there if we are good enough.
It's not always the bigger fish that put up the most fight!Go Utes!
Go Crimson! Cannot wait for September 2!!!
What. what mwc/wac championships are 23 to 7. I did not realize cougs were that
much better than us.
FACT: Utah has finished no better than 3rd place in the lowly MWC four of the
last five years!FACT: Utah had won the MWC exactly 1 time in the
last five years!How does this translate into the thinking in
Yootville that the Yoots will do even better in the PAC?Maybe, but
the past says there is no guarantee.
What was that? MWC/WAC championships? what? 23 to 7? what wow. Didn't realize
BYU was that much better than us...
re: Shawnm750 | 8:47 a.m. July 30, 2010 "Uh, all college sports are
about money."Agreed. "but unless you're an Ivy League
school, MIT, or Stanford you have to compete in athletics in order to get
publicity and funding for your school."Stanford has been in PAC for
sometime... long before eith UAz or Az St. In fact, Stanford's hoops
program is quite good & (Ivy League) Princeton basketball has upset a few big
names in the annual tourny.
I'm not as convinced as Bronco that recruiting will not be affected by
Utah’s move to the PAC 10. It is VERY concerning to me. I'm guessing
over the 10 years, the rivalry will be very slanted towards Utah.It's going to be tough to be a TDS fan and watch our action get kicked by Utah
year-in and year-out! If the rivalry continues, I truly believe that the
rivalry will fade simply due to Utah's potential dominance.
I'm not as convinced as Bronco that recruiting will not be affected by Utah's
move to the PAC 10. It is VERY concerning to me. I'm guessing over the 10
years, the rivalry will be very slanted towards Utah.It's going to
be tough to be a TDS fan and watch our action get kicked by Utah year-in and
year-out! If the rivalry continues, I truly believe that the rivalry will fade
over time simply due to Utah's potential dominance.
Why is the Cal fish bigger than the Utah fish? Didn't we beat them last season?
Hedgehog do actually ever produce anything other than useless drivel? Please
grow up. You are embarassing to all Ute fans out there. Crickets,
crickets, cricketsI believe the writer intended to bring up some
risks of the move. I don't see the same risks as presented with the Arizona
schools, but I do see some legitimate risks. I also believe a tremendous amount
has been reported about the benefits. Take it all together and form your own
opinions.How will the team fit in without a natural rival? Colorado
is a terrible fit.How do the other programs outside of football get
competitive or does it even matter? Currently Utah is effectively non-existent
outside of football.Is there a risk of the newness wearing off?Will the California / coastal media ever cover Utah?How much
boost in recruiting can really be expected?I don't have the answer
to these questions. Obviously tme will tell, but there are legitimate risks.
@Payson40|12:24 p.m. July 30, 2010Why can't BYU fans like you do any
"research" before posting.According to Scouts BYU dominates
mid-majors when it comes to recruiting but on the field Utah, Boise, and TCU are
the top dogs. When it comes to developing NFL talent under the current coaches
Utah is on top.Will Utah get Texas players? No. They don't have to,
what they must do is continue developing NFL talent on par with Oregon; which
they are now. If they do that they'll play like the top tier in the PAC-12, if
not then they won't.National sports writers are already saying Utah
will be competitive next year. So let's wait and see. Meanwhile,
Yeh, cute funny little picture. But why are the USC, UCLA, Oregon State, and
Cal fish bigger than Utah, considering the Utes beat them on their last
meetings? And the Utes smaller than Wazzu? Please! Wouldn't Utah's success in
the Pac-12 be a good thing for BYU and the MWC?
Yeh, cute funny little picture. But why are the USC, UCLA, Oregon State, and
Cal fish bigger than Utah, considering the Utes beat them on their last
meetings? And the Utes smaller than Wazzu? Please! Wouldn't Utah's success in
the Pac-12 be a good thing for BYU and the MWC? I am trying to remember if I
have ever seen an article in the DN or Trib that banged on BYU as badly as this
article does on the Utes. Tough criticism is one thing, but hammering just to
make the sad dejected rivals feel better about themselves is pathetic. Is this
what the DN represents? Is this what the LDS church represents? This article
had shades of the inflammatory ultra-conservative venom that the LDS church
decided to remove from its radio stations. Maybe the church should extend that
I'm a BYU Coug - that said, Utah is likely to become a better program attracting
better talent as a result of being in the PAC 12. Given a choice, wouldn't you
rather play in a BCS program rather than the MWC? They have a great coach and I
believe will see great success.
I'm wondering why the USC, UCLA, Oregon State, and Cal fish are bigger than
Utah, even though the Utes defeated them on their last meeting. And Wazzu
bigger??? Please! This article is nothing more than a 'band aid' for ailing BYU
fans, giving something to feel good about, that being Utah's potential failure
in the Pac-12. Even if BYU knew they wouldn't be able to compete in the Pac-12
as well as the Utes, they would have gone off to the Pac-12 in a heartbeat. I
also agree with other posters who point out that Wazzu and the Arizons are not
applying for membership to the WAC or MWC to improve their win percentage. I
can understand the DN having lots of pro-BYU articles to pump up the fan base,
but having one that has no purpose other than insulting the Utes? I don't think
I have ever seen an article like this on the DN or the Trib dissing BYU for
anything like this. By the way, I notice that there is not a BYU fish in the
bowl. Oh! That's right! Have fun in the Vegas bowl!!
Sorry all for the duplicate post - it said my first comment was rejected so I
tried again using slightly different language.
@chardusaDominte programs don't print "Perfection" t-shirts in the
preseason so they can FedEx them to their rival to wear in January.Mr. Robinson the nation does not care how many mid-major championships we win.
They stood up and took noticed when we slapped the big boys in January. Would you rather watch your team on the MTN or ESPN/ABC?I
was a fan through the 80s I think I can handle losing. What I can't stand is by
being the only undefeated team in the nation yet no chance to play for the
I think this was a great and insightful well written article
the big pond is always better to swim in. The U will have 8 or 9 games that are
BIG time opponents instead of maybe 3. Great thing for the U and great thing for
the state of Utah.
Just give it time, the high-flying Utes will soon return to earth as the
reincarnated Mississippi Mudhounds of the Pac12. Complete with keystone light
and overalls.They'll compete heavily with WSU for the worst team in
football, and for the most intoxicated fans. A title WSU won't relinquish
easily.@hedgehog - why do you end your posts with "crickets" all the
time? Are you doing some stealth marketing for your current employer?
@Regis, no I don't think you missed the point. After all, anybody who thinks a
26-year old national championship is still relevant would not hesitate to make
comparisons between our 2011 conference jump to the move UofA and ASU made
30-odd years ago.
Regis, I don't think you missed the point at all. Just as BYU thinks 1984 is
still relevant, they also think comparing Utah to Arizona's and ASU's jump to
the PAC-10 30-odd years ago is also somehow relevant.
Robinson, come on the all time records against these teams don't mean a thing.
It's the 21st century now and since then we have had quite a bit of success.
Utah's programs keep improving and will continue to improve through recruiting
and better facilities from the move, thus leaving them to do just fine if not
very well in their new conference. TDS has stayed put by not improving nor
going anywhere to show that they are a nationally dominant team. Utah has
proven themselves on the big stage numerous times now. What more proof do you
Right, but that's not what this article is about, so though your point is a good
one, it's not relevant to this article.
Right, but that's not what this article is about, so though your point is a good
one, it's off-topic.
It's always about trying to win championships. However, Utah will over time
receive more prestige and YES, MORE MONEY, from TV and boosters than they would
have going forward had they not joined the now PAC-12. The Mountain West
Conference is strickly minor league when it comes to money and getting to big
money bowls/and/or sharing in the proceeds from being in a BIG LEAGUE
CONFERENCE. I'm excited to see if they can measure up to getting their act
together in the athletic department to gear up for what could happen down the
Most bloggers are concentrating on football and men's basketball and seeing
where the Utes might fit in. As for the totality of its other athletic
programs, the U. will need to step it up big time or risk being perennial
doormats of this league. The PAC-10 takes pride in having total athletic
programs and has won more NCAA championships than any other conference by far.
Most people are focusing on the football and men's basketball aspects of being
in the new PAC-12. However, on the total athletic scale of all of Utah's other
programs, entering the PAC-12 will be a disaste except for maybe Gymnastics and
Women's Basketball. The PAC-12 brings it and takes pride in having institutions
with quality athletic programs across the board. The PAC-12 has won the most
NCAA championships of any conference hands down. I'm not sure the U or CU is up
to this challenge.
What we KNOW is that no non-BCS school will EVER play for a championship. What
we can NEVER bank on is that the MWC will ever be a BCS conference.So, at its simplest, there are two definite upsides and no downsides
whatsoever: 1) six or seven times as much money, and 2) at least a shot at a NC.
The money increases one's ANNUAL odds at getting to a NC level.So
it's like risk assessment based on this: we can shine in a mediocre world and
get nationally recognized as a solid club, OR we can roll the dice and
legitimately work towards a NC (what more could anybody want?), and if we fail
the worst that has happened is FAR more money.Personally speaking,
Whit has It. He's got The Stuff. Given the opportunity, he'll make good. Whether
that translates to a NC remains to be seen, but the club will be a legit top 12
pretty much annually, and starting sooner than naysayers thing.
Utah has claimed one conference championship in the last five years, and only
three outright in the last 50-some-odd years. Granted, those three are in the
last seven years. Conference championships are special because they
are hard to come by, even in the Mountain West. Next year, the week-in-week-out
competition steps up dramatically. Right now there is one easy game on the
schedule, Washington State, not half of the league. I'm a Utah grad,
went to the Sugar Bowl and Fiesta Bowl, and will savor those memories, because
there is no guarantee they will be repeating again anytime soon. The Utes do
have a lot of starters returning in 2011 for what will be a very interesting
season for sure.
I'm a die hard BYU fan, and have hated the Utes all my life.And I
admit it I was a little jelous of the Utes making it to the Pac 10 and leaving
us in the dust.I really want the STATE of Utah to be recognized as
an elite state, and if that means Utah having a good season in the PAC 12. Then
sure go UtesBut when I read that you will get the best recruits just
because your leaving the MWC doesnt mean anything. You cant tell me that your
going to out recruit the Texas Longhorns on a huge recruit from Texas, or you
cant expect to snag the best guy from Washington do you? Those top recruits that
your talking about are the guys here in Utah that the Cougars and the Utes have
been getting since the beginning of our programs.But the first of
the PAC 12 I predict that in the Las Vegas bowl will be Boise State vs. Utah and
Boise State winning big!But congrats to the Utes (wish it could have
been the Cougars) but what can you do. Hopefully a championsip is in the future.
I enjoy looking at the PAC schedule. If Utah were to play any of the existing 10
teams this year, which ones would give them a hard time...Washington... noWashington St... pleaseOregon... would be a good
game like unto last yearOregon St... good game with the edge to the Utes
this year.Standford.... noUCLA..... noCAL.....noUSC.... well, probably not nowArizona... noArizona St.... noSo why all of a sudden if we're in the PAC10 are all of these teams
going to cream us? Sure, a PAC10 championship isn't easy to get, no PAC team
wins that every year hands down; that is what makes it fun.But Utah
has as good of a chance as anyone of doing it, even with their current teams and
talent level. Utah's talent pool should only increase with PAC10 exposure, which
would help their chances even more.So, Dnews/bitter zoobs, lets stop
the silly perennial PAC bottom feeder noise. I hope the cougs do well in the
MWC, and I hope the Utes do well in the PAC. It's always a battle for the top
(see MWC last 10 years).
Regis,You bring up a great point that kewgs simply won’t
respond to. Again, Kewgs do you think that the “miserable” WSU, AZ
and Azst fans wish their school would move down to a mid-major so that they
could compete better? Love to hear your thoughts on that.Crickets
The Hailstorm loved your take on things. I wonder how the U's recruiting in
Texas will be affect with this as they will no longer be playing there or seen
on TV in those markets. Unless of course they a national game in the PAC10,
which does not allocate TV exposure like the mountain. Anyway, thanks for the
upbeat take. As for the headline of the article: would that not be a jump from
a Mid-Major Pond to Big Pond? And, not quite so big of leap after all noting
last years results in the bowls of the PAC-10 vs the MWC.
While Robinson is a Y homer, there is some truth to what he says. Utah has
averaged 10 wins over the past 7 seasons in the MWC, but that level of success
wont continue in the PAC. While the MWC top 3 teams are tough, top to bottom
the PAC-12 is a tougher conference.
Rise and shout... the cougars are out.
And so, by the logic of this article, I guess ASU and Arizona, having been only
so-so since joining the PAC 10, they now realize what a bad decision they made
and will soon be petitioning the MWC for membership so they will have an easier
path to better bowls and national championships.Or did I
misunderstand the point?
Arynen,Really? I’ve yet to see a critical article on Holmoe.
If you would please point out such an article I’ll eat my words. Face it
Kewgs, your athletic director has fallen asleep at the wheel and his lack of
strategic foresight will haunt BYU for decades.Only now is Holmow
running around in circles looking for a quick fix that in all honesty needed
years to develop. One only need to look at Hill and the way he layout his
vision - decades of planning. The reality is that Holmoe always
felt that Utah was his meal ticket to the BCS. No one would take Utah without
BYU … right??? Let this be a lesson to all you youngsters out there
— create your own way in the world, get yourself noticed and make friends
with the people who can help you out.
I think one of the biggest positives about the move to the PAC-10 is that Utah
will no longer have to be perfect to get to a BCS game. Last year Oregon had two
losses going into the Rose Bowl. Perfection is fantastic, as we Utah fans can
attest, but it's nice to know that a 10-2 or 11-1 season can now do the trick.
Shoot, in a down year for the conference it could be 9-3 and a BCS game! That is
@ ArynenI dont think hedgehog and cougar76 truly understand
journalism. Thanks for your post. You hit the nail on the head. How boring
would it be if everyone was "unbiased"? We would all be clones walking around
and there would be no point to almost anything. We all have biases. There are
those who take it to an extreme (harmon, sean hannity, david locke etc.), but it
makes the world a better place.
Kyle has only won 1 MWC championship in five years. What does that say about how
he will do in the PAC? Someone? Anyone? Does a 20% success rate justify the
lofty expectations that Ute fans now harbor?
This author sounds bitter towards Utah going to the Pac-12.If the
team down south feels better about being a big fish in a small pond. Then they
have achieved their goals.But why stay stagnate?Why not
progress and increase the competition and the difficulty?In theory,
why not keep your $10/hour job. Or do you try to improve yourself and move up to
something that offers more benefits and wages?If your happy with MWC
championship and a Vegas Bowl then don't compete. If you want to move upward
and expand the number of teams you can play to truly test yourself, then you
have got to move on.
@hedgehog 6:48"Hey Dnews. How about writing a fair and unbiased
assessment on how Holmoe. In a free thinking environment, this guy would have
been run out on a rail."You mean how about writing an article that
agrees with your opinion? This writer is as critical of BYU as he is about the
Utes. You just need unbiased eyes to be able to see it.
I hate to seem like I'm drinking the BCS Kool-Aid, but there's something a lot
more legitimate about Utah slugging it out in the Pac-10 and earning a Rose Bowl
bid than what Hawaii did.You're only as good as your competition.
Isn't it interesting that Utah and the TDS have been so evenly matched recently?
Not a coincidence.
It's a lot of fun to read articles like these. The Desnews has to be excited,
too. They no longer have to write only about lowly "mid-major," MWC team, but
can start to write about USC, UCLA, etc!It's great fun to start
hearing about these programs and how Utah is going to fit in just fine.Desnews, along with other media outlets will only aid in the one-sided
recruiting domination that Utah will lay on the tds. The tds can continue to
get their "guys that only want to go to the tds." However, note that those may
not be the "best" guys; chances are, they're not.My point: I truly
hope that the rivalry continues due to Utah's ability now, and in the future, to
out recruit the tds. Over the next decade, you're going to see the rivalry SO
slanted towards Utah, Holmoe may have to do what he said in "doing what's best
for the tds." What may be best is to "chicken out" of future games with the
might UTES because they'll simply not be able to compete!
There is no doubt that Utah getting into the Pac 12 is a great thing for Utah.
This is not debatable.What is debatable is how good they will be,
long term, in the Pac 12. Only time will tell...Despite my obvious
Cougar allegiance, I will give credit where credit is due. Utah has become a
very good football program, and if they are very competitive in the Pac 12 it
wouldn't surprise me.But it is very compelling to look at the
relative lack of success from the former WAC elite Arizona State and Arizona.
They went from a WAC elite tendency to a middle of the Pac tendency.I have a hard time believing that the Utes have more resources to win and be
competitive LONG TERM then Arizona or Arizona State.We shall see...
it will be very interesting...
Utah has a better chance of winning the PAC 12 next year than they would the MWC
with a terrific BSU team joining with a senior super stud quarterback.
@cougar76you dont really read monson much do you?
Here is what you are missing- the biggest reason the mid majors are throwing a
fit is because the playing field isn't fair. Utah, BYU, TCU and Boise State all
want a shot. These 4 programs are all very good and have a legitimate shot at
being the best team in the country. Getting into an elite conference gives them
the opportunity to prove themselves. Each teams argument basically says, "Hey,
we are one of the best teams in the country!" Moving up gives them an
opportunity to show that they are right. There is no room for discussion here.
They should move up and play against the best- that's what they say they are.
Chosing to stay in a weaker conference just so they can get into the BCS through
a loophole does nothing to prove they were right. The premise of your article
Utah and BYU > Arizona and Arizona State. Utah's and BYU's programs have better
alumni, better coaches, better facilities, and better resources. Not even
@ Old Gregg | 9:24 a.m. July 30, 2010I'm with you all the way. BYU has
the DN and the U has Monson and the Trib. Seems fair to me. If you are so
insecure, don't venture into hostile territory.
I feel that the coaching staff of Utah has been overlooked. Young ,yet mature
Brian Johnson is a real plus for the Utes as he is from Texas , young enough to
almost be a recruits peer , MVP of the Sugar Bowl , Player of the Year in the
MWC, personable with great charisma. Morgan Scally has been rated as
the #1 recruitng coordinor of all the mid majors. Both Offensive and
Defensive coordinators are coming off of their first year. Utah will have
it's losses and disappointments, in what I give the next 3 years, but as the
reloading cycle pushes forward in the next three years of pain and growth , only
a better team will surface. It looks like Coach Kyle will could likely
become the Joe Paterno of Utah and stay for a long career with the Utes, .
As for the rivalry, it should be continued if only for the reason that both BYU
and Utah are consistently ranked high in the polls allowing for a jump in RPI
and SOS ratings come seasons end. Life is good as USU, Snow college,
Weber, Utah, and BYU are consistently being placed in the top 25 in their
Chardusa - don't let unbiased facts get in the way of your judgment.NCAA Tournament Basketball wins:Utah 35UNLV 33BYU 12NCAA Football Bowl WinsUtah 12TCU 11BYU 10AFA
9Yes when playing the best, one can clearly deduct that BYU is
CLEARLY dominant. See you in the Rose Bowl!
Congrats to the Utes for earning the invite to the PAC10. Turning down this
incredible opportunity was probobly never an option. Would anyone in their
professional careers turn down a major promotion, a huge pay raise, the
opportunity to test themselves against more competitive peers all while thumbing
their noses from the corner office at the guy they beat out for the job? Of
course not. You take the guarentee and run and work out the details later. If
you don't think BYU would have jumped at a PAC10 invite you gotta have rocks in
your head. That being said, you really have to wonder if, in the
long run, not getting that PAC invite is a blessing in disguise for BYU. IF the
MWC is able to secure AQ status in a couple of years and IF BYU pulls a "Texas"
out of their hat and expands their TV network, takes a bigger chunk of the
revenue along with TCU and Boise and continues to have an easier path to
conference championships and BCS bowls, BYU puts Utah in it's rearview mirror.
But that's alof of IF's.
Really Chardusa, when is the last time your Cougs went undefeated and played in
real bowl game (not the LV Bowl)? The answer is never, as even in 1984 the best
you could do was barely beat a 6-5 Michigan Team in the mid level Holiday Bowl
but since there was no BCS in place you became the luckiest team ever as you got
the NC without beating any teams that finished ranked (now that's an
accomplishment). Maybe t Utah twice in the last six year proving, via
convincing BCS/first tier bowl game wins, that they can compete when it counts
is far more impressive to the rest of the nation (including the BCS conferences)
than BYUs frequent good but never great seasons; though don’t let those
facts get in the way of your hate for those teams who earned it.
Re chard:You’re right chard it’s not that Utah has a
better football program than BYU it’s that Utah is a better school than
BYU. Not only does Utah have 2 BCS bowl game victories but we have one of the
best medical schools in the country to go along with it. How many Nobel Prize
winners does BYU have? While BYU’s focus is on church the
U’s focus is on research. That’s why The U is in the Pac 12 and the
Y is going nowhere.
Mr. Robinson you are such a negative-nellie! One is almost led to believe you
are a BYU homer. Anyone in your family ever coach a BYU? Thanks for stirring
the pot (again).
Re: chardusa"BYU has been athletically superior to you year in and
year out."Only a delusional Coug could utter those words without
thinking. Remember your "Quest for Perfection" year? Actually, it
was Utah who went through that year unscathed and got a marquee win on the
national stage in January. Granted, it didn't happen 26 years ago -
it was only two years ago. Maybe your short term memory is shot.
Every article gets twisted into a BYU vs Utah argument on the comments. Petty
petty petty. When you are about to write something negative about the "other"
team, stop and do something good for someone else. You'll be happier!
Utah fans need to wake up. Think about why you were invited to the Pac
10....IT'S NOT BECAUSE YOU WERE THE BEST TEAM IN THE MWC. BYU has been
athletically superior to you year in and year out. You have NOT dominated in any
sport (except gymnastics)against any of the other schools in our conference.
Think about it!
Here's the thing. Utah is the original BCS Busters. Not "one of" the
originals. The original. We are one of a handful of teams who have won TWO BCS
games. Besides Boise State, every other mid-major program aspires to be like
us, and to do what we have done. We have established ourselves as the "Cream of
the crop". If the utes fail, it really hurts the MWC's already slim chances of
earning AQ status.
Dougy, sour grapes. This article is shallow. There are other factors that you
don't even want to consider or look into that would tell you Utah will enter the
PAC strong. Sure, Utah was a big fish in a little pond, but KW took the talent
he could get and developed them into great players. With the $$'s and upgraded
facilities and the opportunity to play in the Rose Bowl, if not a National
Championship, the bigger, faster, and stronger recruits will come. Imagine the
additional development under KW's system how great this team can become. It is
mistake to compare Utah to Az or Az State. Utah has a great system that develops
players and makes them better. Experts-not you Dougy, are saying Utah will come
into the PAC as a contender for the league championship immediately. I cannot
wait until you lose your readership because of your love fest with the zoobs.
The fan base is changing and will continue to change with Utah's continued
success. Good luck to you Mr. Dougy with your narrow minded love fest with tds.
I just read the last article I want to from you.
This article conveniently leaves out some very important facts. Utah’s
home games just got much more exciting; there are years in the MWC that the Utes
only host 1 decent team all year long. If you’re a season ticket holder,
which schedule would you prefer?Another is that the all games in the
MWC are televised only on the Mountain channel with bad picture and even worse
announcers. From a fan’s perspective I’d rather the Utes be in the
WAC than the MWC. The best part about the Utes going to the Pac 12 is that they
will no longer be in the MWC.And as an alum, my resume just got a
little better. One reason that the Utes got this invitation over BSU is that
Utah is a really good school academically too. The Utes are also a better school
academically than BYU in the areas that the PAC 12 cares about, ie research and
@Howard, Hedgehog, and others that are going off about the DN being bias and not
reporting positive things about the Utes, why do you keep reading their articles
and commenting on them? If you dislike the DN so much, then just stop reading
it! It's a simple fix.
How many times have the Utes won the MWC championship with Kyle as the coach?
Isn't he 1 out of 5? Hummmmmm. . . But I'm sure he will do better in the PAC.
@LV AggieUh, all college sports are about money. Sure, they like to
tout how sports help develop individuals, but unless you're an Ivy League
school, MIT, or Stanford you have to compete in athletics in order to get
publicity and funding for your school. I don't expect the Utes to
win every game in 2011, or even within their first few seasons. But I think
they've got what it takes to be a serious contender in the PAC. Especially since
USC's going through a big shake up, and other teams in the conference have
proved to be pretty average when pitted against teams in other conferences, like
the MWC. So, while they may not win every game, I think the Utes will enter the
conference well poised to be a dominate team.
Robinson's sour grapes opinion is nothing more than shameless pandering to
the Cougar base of his readership.The real reality is that their
isn't a Cougar anywhere (including Robinson) who wouldn't trade places with the
Utes in the PAC 12.
"Instead of facing six or seven difficult opponents each season, they face about
three. If you're working the system – a system that is vastly flawed, as
we all know – that's a proven path to travel...That's how Utah cracked the
BCS – twice." -- Doug RobinsonThat's not how Utah [or TCU]
cracked the BCS. That's how BSU and Hawai'i got there. The Utes blew out every
opponent in 2004, and beat 3 ranked teams [one in the Top-10] in the regular
season. THAT's how WE got there. Remember, in both those years, BSU went
undefeated in the regular season too. But they played a weak SOS, so they
didn't get in. There's no argument that can be made that could suggest we
backed into it like Hawai'i. We earned it.The Utes are not trying
to "beat the system". We're trying to prevent "the system" from beating us.
Like the time we were lost a shot at the 2008 Nat'l Championship, despite going
undefeated, in favor of 2 other 1-loss teams.We WANT better
competition. I think you may have had us confused with the tdS.
So Robinson believes that the Utes PRE-1994 performance against PAC10
teams is more indicative of their expected future performance than their
POST-1994 performance?A fine example of Cougar logic...
"It might actually be easier to be one of the country's BCS busters, a team
trying to get inside from the outside. They have a better chance of running the
table with an easier schedule." -- Doug RobinsonOnly mid-majors have
to run the table in order to play in a BCS game. Va. Tech went to the Orange
Bowl with 4 losses; 3 of which were to unranked teams. Since we're no longer a
mid-major like ybU, that point is moot.
18 million is 18 million, I'm pretty sure it's still about the money and less
about championships bowl gmaes.
I believe that Utah will not go to BCS games as frequently now. That seems to be
a fair prediction. But think of the upgrade in the quality of my season tickets!
Big fish in the small pond was fun for while, but if you aren't willing to take
on the big fish, what's the point? This is proving time, and small fish
everywhere should hope Utah has the success that will validate their claims.
"That's how Utah cracked the BCS – twice. That's how TCU, Hawaii and Boise
State earned BCS bowl invitations. That's how BYU won the national championship
in 1984. They all sneaked into the national championship picture through a
loophole left open for those teams that don't belong to the elite
conferences."While one can't argue that Utah's 2008 schedule
included MWC bottom-feeders, it also included defeats over four end-of-season
ranked teams... more than many elite BCS schools played. So lumping the 2008
Utah season in with the BSU, Hawaii, and BYU '84 seasons is a stretch.Even Utah's 2004 season edges out any of the BSU (1 or 2 quality wins), Hawaii
(1 maybe 2 quality wins), or BYU '84 (any quality wins?) seasons.
I'm just curious how they got all the other gold fish to look at the Ute gold
fish?This last year of the Utes will be interesting in the MWC. I
suspect they'll get what is usually reserved for BYU, everybody's best shot.
Good luck to them in future years. I think they'll do ok in the PAC 12 but
believe BYU has a better shot at making a BCS bowl game before them after this
year.I also believe the Big XII is simply waiting to expand. If BYU
puts together two impressive years one of two things should happen. MWC gets
automatic bid or 2-3 schools get invites to other major conferances. Big XII
could still fall apart allowing MWC to invite left overs and get automatic bid.
This whole shifting of the landscapes in college football is still far from over
and in the end BYU, TCU, and BSU should all end up in a BCS conferance.
This could resolve the dilemma about continuing the rivalry. BYU would likely
still be playing Utah most of the time since they get the 4th or 5th team from
the PAC-10. Happy days are here again.
"Think about it: The Utes are a BCS school. As already mentioned, that likely
means fewer wins and conference titles, which decreases the odds of an
invitation to a BCS bowl, not to mention the national championship."Think about it. The Utes were denied a shot at the National Championship
despite going UNDEFEATED in 2004 and 2008. In 2004, the Utes blew out every
opponent. In 2008, the Utes' SOS was ranked higher than Alabama's and USC's.
It's difficult enough to merit a very competitive SOS when you have New Mexico,
Wyoming, and San Diego St. on your schedule every year, but in the year that we
DID, it STILL WASN'T ENOUGH! In fact, the year that we did, we were the only
undefeated team in the country. And it STILL WASN'T ENOUGH!Our odds
of obtaining a bid to the Nat'l Championship didn't suddenly decrease. Quite
the contrary. Our odds just improved.
"In reality, Pac-10 membership will actually make it more difficult for Utah to
get to a BCS bowl, not easier." -- D. RobinsonIn reality, in 2008,
the MWC ended up ranked as the 4th best conference in the country...ahead of #5
ACC and #6 Big [L]East. That means #2 Utah's road to the BCS was more difficult
than #15 Va. Tech's or #17 Cincinnati's. And, had ybU not blown it against
Ariz. in Vegas, the MWC would have taken that #3 slot over the Pac-10.Va. Tech played their way into the Orange Bowl despite losing to #21 Florida
St, and unranked E. Carolina, Boston College, and Miami.Cincinnati
played their way into the Orange Bowl despite getting BLOWN OUT by #5 Oklahoma
and unranked UConn.#3 USC got a mulligan vs. #18 Oregon St. -- who
WE had to beat -- on their way to the Rose Bowl. Had the Beavers upset the Utes
in SLC that year, we would have wound up in Vegas playing an unranked 7-5
Arizona team rather than proving ourselves against a Top-5 12-1 Alabama team,
one game removed from the NC.More difficult? Nope.
Have we heard even one positive report from the Dnews about the Utes? Of course
not; they’re mandated (by their masters) to sully the PAC12 at ever stop
and rewrite history to make BYU less irrelevant.Hey Dnews. How about
writing a fair and unbiased assessment on how Holmoe. In a free thinking
environment, this guy would have been run out on a rail.
Utah will do all right, likely as well or better than the AZ and other non Cal
schools. The one thing for sure "It means millions more in revenue" BUT also
many millions more in expenses..
Two points that are hilarious here. 1) The guy opining here is
assuming that the PAC 10 schedule is tougher than a MWC schedule. That's a
pretty big assumption and shows that this guy hasn't really followed college
football close enough the last decade to realize the parity in the top 9 or 10
conferences. The PAC 10 conference will be tougher only for the same reason Utah
fans are excited to move into the PAC 10, more money to attract and recruit
players. It also means Utah can schedule 4 pansy teams on their schedule and
still get respect from the BCS fools. That would equate to an easier schedule.
Don't be surprised to see Utah in the Rose bowl atleast once in the next 5
years. 2) this point was already mentioned, but Utah can now have
one loss and still get invited into the BCS championship game or even 3 or 4
losses and still get into a BCS game assuming they are ranked high enough at
season's end. A much easier road, contrary to what this writer thinks.Logic is embarrased by this story's assumptions and opinion.
So should we take a step down to the WAC so that we can go undefeated and play
in a bowl game every year? And I love that Robinson mentions the
Sun Bowl and Holiday Bowl as mid-tier bowls. Both bowls are bigger than the
Vegas Bowl in payout and recognition. For example, the Sun Bowl pays $1.9
million, Holiday Bowl pays $2.1 million, and the Vegas Bowl pays $1 million.Let's say that Utah does end in the middle of the PAC-10. That still
lands them in the Vegas Bowl against the MWC Champ. I want to play against the
best and beat the best. BYU can hang around and beat up on Wyoming and UNLV and
enjoy the Vegas Bowl during their best seasons.It will be fun to
measure a great year by quality wins against quality opponents instead of trying
to go undefeated every year against 3-4 good teams and 6-7 dogs. And the reason
the MWC isn't getting AQ status? Wyoming, CSU, NM, and UNLV are all ranked
lower than 105 out of 120 in preseason rankings.
Assumptions that Utah will be a top class Pac-12 team from the get go.... Hm....
little over confident don't you think? Believe me. I hope the very best for the
Utes and want them to do well. Although, I honestly feel that it may take a few
years for Utah to acclimate to playing so many tough games. I am thinking you
might be wishing you had held your tongue before your team loses a few games in
2011. It may be a d-news writer, but everyone needs a reality check from time to
The assumption is that Utah will be a middle tier program. Hmmmmm. Then why are
there several knowledgeable writers at SI, ESPN, and other sports oriented
websites that feel Utah will hit the ground running and be able to compete for a
Pac 12 title immediately? Kurt Vonnegut had my favorite addition to
the adage that starts, "Opinions are like..." He added "They all stink but your
own."Oh well, what else should we expect from a D-News writer? I
smell it through the net.
Right Robinson, lets not grow and measure ourselves against the best.
Let's not upset the DN and their BYU readers by daring to presume that we can do
better and be better.Let's instead stay at home and not upset those
who haven't qualified to sit at the table with the big boys.
Utah will do just fine in the PAC12, Thankyouverymuch.The DN
will continue to be the voice of bitterness and envy for those left behind.
People said the same thing about big fish when Urban Meyer went to Florida.A Pac-10 championship/Rose Bowl is MUCH more likely than another
undefeated season would've been in the MWC, particularly with Boise joining.
Utah was a Freddie Brown catch on 4th and 5 or 2 missed Ross Evans chip-shot
field goals from finishing 12-1 in 2008.Besides, you could still
lose a conference game or two and still get the conference championship under
the right circumstances. It will be tough, but the next step in the evolution
of Utah football is smelling rosy.