Utah is on the lower end of the 2nd largest natural gas deposit in the
world.........if the treehuggers would back off
Peter..........Good point, folks living on the west slopes of Colorado's rockys
are looking west for answers to blowing dust and early run-offs. Your comment on
controling air born dust particles is right on.
@"Jash | 8:56 a.m. July 30, 2010 If these lands are truly "public" perhaps
decisions regarding their use should be put up for public vote rather than
decided by bureaucrats in the BLM.Or at least allow the public to
put those who make the decisions into office through an electoral vote."Jash - great idea BUT I would guess that you would be outvoted
by other members of the "public" and Utah representatives are outvoted by
others. Even if the western states all got together they might be out-voted. I think the result has the chance to be good and both sides have
agreed to try. A MAJOR accomplishment in my book. Neither got everything they
wanted, bot agreed to a more environmentally friendly development than orginally
proposed. What you have to watch is the next step and see how
things work. Will 20 acres be requested for each pad when 5 acres will do etc..
Both are on the "hotseat" including BLM to make it work. Oh, by
the way Jash, have you calcuated the cost, time, gas, government employees etc.
to individually vote on every land use proposal on "public" lands? WOW !!
It amazes me how nobody here looks at the history of what the eviromentalist
have done to society....just look at California and how they have impacted are
economy....farms and orchards dried up because of a smelt fish.....people are
out of work because there's no harvest...I once had to take a class on a
salamander before I made a dilivery to a job site...there are extremes in all
things and once you crack the door extremist like to bull there way through the
door and over you...what I'm saying is soon you won't be able to take your dog
to the "public" park because extremist believe you shouldn't be there anyway..
For Steve Bloch to compare the subject area to the Grand Canyon is like
comparing the salt flats to a golf course.One possible solution for the
rock art would be to build a museum, cut out the art and display it for everyone
in a protected environment. What about it SUWA? Quit paying your people the big
bucks and fund this project, doing something positive for the first time.
I think some of the people who've posted about this story are the same ones who
let their dogs do their dirty sinful doggy business in the public park and then
don't pick up after them. It's a "public" park, and you're part of that
"public", so technically it's your park and you can do whatever you want with
it, right? Too bad if other members of the "public" want to use it for
activities other than a dog restroom--you have every right to use the public
space in such a manner that it leaves it in worse shape for the next person.At least, that's what the argument sounds like to me when folks decry
any environmental concessions from businesses who want to utilize the resources
on public land. What in the world is wrong with insisting that a business who
is going to profit from harvesting resources on public land not muck it up in
the process? We need oil and gas; we also need to take care of the land. The
two aren't mutually exclusive except to the most dogmatic and selfish.
If these lands are truly "public" perhaps decisions regarding their use should
be put up for public vote rather than decided by bureaucrats in the BLM.Or at least allow the public to put those who make the decisions into
office through an electoral vote.
Oh please, they're concerned about the need to control dust contamination.
Maybe they should also try to control the dust created by the wind.
SUWA is in the crosshairs with this one. If the agreement doesn't hold because
of the enviros, the name-calling and litigation is back to stay.
Andrew J Marksen:What part of compromise do you not understand? The energy
development company is happy. The governor is happy. SUWA isn't complaining.
New energy wells are going to be drilled. The only people throwing tantrums
about this are you and your "ilk", who seem to think that any compromise
designed to reduce the damage to natural ecosystems is akin to satanic worship.
What is wrong with you?
I agree with those that have stated the only group making concessions was the
company. This doesn't seem like much of a compromise to me. Barrett is losing
out on hundreds of locations, and is going to spend a lot more money in
development because they are going to have to do a lot more directional driling.
It seem like a huge give in to me. Barrett scaled down just so they could get
something done. I think it's okay to make some changes but these changes were
huge across the board.
Hanksboy and Marksen,SUWA wanted protections for air, land, water
and cultural resources, which is also what the people of Utah, and the world for
that matter, should want.Look at the photos to see what we would
give up if protections weren’t demanded. Do you understand that these
ancient rock recordings are one-of-a-kind, and never to be created again by the
ancients? Our descendants would be aghast at us if we allowed them to be
destroyed.Bill Barrett Corp. wants to drill for oil and gas for
temporary profit. SUWA wants to protect our priceless heritage forever. They
compromised. Be glad.
10:22You forgot to blame Obama!
This is not over. Despite ANY agreement this will end up incourt thanks to the
environmental movement that would strip every last one of us of our freedoms and
rights in the name of environmental justice. There can be no true compromise
with any environmental group. This article clearly brings to light the tactics
used by SUWA and their ilk. Notice they gave nothing up? What were they parting
with? What possesion did the put on the table? You can not bargain with these
people. This whole project will be held up at some point by a lawsuit.
Glad this project is finally moving forward but it's kind of too bad that those
who so vehemently oppose it will also benefit from it.
These striking photos show what we have to lose if things don’t go well.
Utah has some priceless heritage to care for.
tq2: the SUWA is made up of citizens with every right to a civic voice that you
have.It's really quite amazing that business and environmental
groups reach a mutually-satisfying agreement on this issue, and yet some people
are so addicted to antagonism and anger that they insist on stamping their feet
Well, the hunting panel has been pressure cleaned a few times by some
"enthusiastic" employees, so it should look clean. Damaged, maybe, but
clean.It will be interesting to know if the amount of truck traffic
changes as a result of this. That, of course, will reduce the amount of dust in
the canyon. And it will be interesting to see if BLM keeps up with checking on
what is happening.
I'm morbidly entertained by the clear dust damage to the primary photo in the
gallery. The hunter panel doesn't look too bad at this point, but the panel in
the shot with the trucks clearly shows dust damage from the heavy traffic
already frequenting those roads. I can guarantee they're not going to fully
mitigate the damages from dust no matter what Barret and others say. Also, you
notice there weren't any direct quotations from the Nine Mile Coalition or
others--just hurrays from those who stand to profit. Ugh. We knew it was
coming, but it's still disappointing to see an archaeological treasure known all
over the world being put at risk. Still, the smaller number of pads is better
than it could have been.
Nobody cares about the "environment", we're talking about survival here. And who
elected SUWA to represent my interests? Who appointed them as relevant to
anything in Utah? SUWA is the problem!
I'm glad it's going forward. It's past time to get this project going.
Well shucks, this article doesn't give me anyone to demonize at all--not even
Obama! NOW what am I going to stew about when I head back to the bunker?
"Did anyone notice that "compromise" ENTIRELY consists of energy companies
giving into "environmental groups" demands?"These groups are groups
of Americans who what a say in the use of "public" lands that belong to them and
not the oil companies. Is stealing a conservative value?
Anti Government... since the environmental groups would probably like to see no
drilling, I'd call the fact that they met halfway in between the exact
definition of "compromise"."but it is always about the money"...
yeah, wouldn't drill at all costs be the same thing? All about lowering the
cost of energy (money) at the expense of anything else? I guess the environment
has no value to anyone.As far as campaign "donations" go, I think
you have it backwards as to who has more money involved there.
Tin foil hats for sale. Im looking at you anti. Yours must have lost its
I think that art in the pictures is some of the stuff my friend drew in the
1980's at 9 mile. What a laugher. Its even in some text books as "ancient"
Did anyone notice that "comprimise" ENTIRELY consists of energy companies giving
into "environmental groups" demands?Would anyone else really call
this comprimise.Our government is bought and paid for AND run by
environmental extremists so this is really no surprise.Their way or
not at all...that pretty much sums it up.It is absolutely absurd how
much power these wingnuts have been given by politicians that they bribe with
millions of campaign donations.Now after the agreement is reached
there will still be likely 10s of millions if not more of environmental impact
studies and provisions/hurdles that still have to be met.All of it
of course raising the prices of energy that YOU have to pay for.Some
people have trouble connecting the dots...but it is always about the money.
Primarily extracting as much money from you as possible.You of
course were aware that our current idiot in the whitehouse masquerading as a
president is on the record stating that he WANTS "...dramatically higher energy
prices"....right?Yes, he has lots of great plans for what he can do
with your money!!!
This is a big change from the notion that they had to be allowed to drill
everywhere and build access roads and pipelines no matter what the impact on
wildlife and wilderness values. Negotiation and compromise is the way to go!
"Steve Bloch, a staff lawyer for the wilderness group, said the lands were as
dramatic as Arizona's Grand Canyon."It's a remarkable, awe-inspiring
landscape," Bloch said. "The compromise was hard fought, but we're pleased we
found a partner in Bill Barrett Corp. to protect this special place."A good example of what can be done when people work together. I think things
can work, we can have concern for the environment and permit development in
appropriate places and with poroper protection and management and compromise.Now it comes to the BLM to properly manage and see that things go as
the inportant hting is people are going to work together for all. that the our
country should be. this is a clean energy.
Weren't you told Obama had stopped drilling by the same people who told you
Obama was going to take your guns?