GO FES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I hear he's really good at half-court shots.
He played well enough against Denver in the playoffs. He's a big body and has
six fouls to give. Plus he has an awesome haircut and he's a good dancer.
i hope big al jefferson when he practices against fez does not get hurt again in
a accident. fez is aukward but i still like him. he doesn't know his strength.
would be a shame as we need big al to wipe out the lakers next summer. hope the
second rounder gets signed and plays well and will be popular as he can fly and
dunk better than brewer. kinda thin, they can fatten him up with burgers.
fes isn`t going to make much difference either way,unless he suddenly learns how
to play basketball,as assembled we aren`t even a playoff team,maybe 9 or 10 seed
Dont Sign this Ostertag Look-a=like!!go get a real player!better off
with a real 6' - 6'-7" "real" basketball player, than Fez "waisted space" leads
the league in banging his head against the backboard
Houdini : I know you hate CJ, but I think he's going to make you eat your
negative words this year, he started to play much better the last couple of
months and in the playoffs he averaged around 14.4. He plans on averaging that
much or more and improving his rebounds this year. I can't understand why you
seem to dislike him so much. AJ and Bell should replace Booz & Mathews
without a hitch, in fact I think AJ will be better than Booz and Bell better
than Mathews. Bell will provide vet. leadership, something the Jazz have needed.
I like Hayward better than Korver but worry Sloan will do his normal and
struggle playing a rookie. AK should have a good contract year and the Jazz
should be just as good as last year.To me Fes is the key to the Jazz being
better this year then last year, if he can improve and develop what he brings to
the game will make the Jazz better, if he doesn't improve and become at least a
rotation player, I see the Jazz being about what they were last year.
I'm indifferent when it comes to Fesenko. I certainly wouldn't overpay to keep
him. I think 2 million per season is the absolute highest I'd be willing to go,
and maybe a 1 year deal. If Tomic comes over next season, to team with
Jefferson, Millsap, and Memo, then Fesenko's services will no longer be needed.
I certainly wouldn't be the least bit opposed if the Jazz decide to
go in a different direction, especially if they can bring in a wily vet.
Fez showed me something in the Denver series, we wouldn't have won without him
period, with some playing time he will come in and be a banger and a force in
the middle. Those who don't see the potential in him are just close minded and
don't want to see. We need to sign him to a multi year deal or we will have to
over pay him or lose him next year just like Mathews.
Given what is left out their as options at C the Jazz are best off to resign Fes
to a multi year with team options. Hoopsworld is openly saying that
the Jazz need more outside shooting to utilize Jefferson's low post game.
Millsap will replace Boozer's high post game but Jefferson's will require even
more shooting to give him room in the low post. The Jefferson (low
post)/Millsap (high post) should be an improvement over the Boozer/Millsap small
ball game. It remains to be seen if the Fes/Jefferson (twin tower)
combo works as well as the Fes/Boozer combo. Outside shooting could be crucial.
Tomic will most likely replace Okur's 10 Mill contract when he comes
over. That would put Tomic and Fes at C. AJ would move to PF.The
Jazz need to resign Fes, add 1 more outside shooter, play Gaines (or get
better), get a back up PF for injuries. I kinda of doubt that OJ is
a shooter or that Evans is a back up PF. A shooter at SG/SF is the
Assuming the Jazz sign Fes they then have to get insurance at PF. If
AJ gets injured the Jazz play Fes at C and Millsap/AK at PF. Who back up the C?
Millsap? If Millsap gets injured the Jazz start Fes at C and move AJ
to PF. Or AJ plays C and AK covers PF, then Hayward plays a lot more at SF. If Bell, CJ or Hayward get injured who fills in? The Jazz
really need back ups at PF/C and at SF/SG. They actually need decent
players at those positions. I am not confident OJ and Evans are the
right players for those roles.
CJ Miles can shoot. So can Raja Bell, and Gordon Hayward. I don't see the need
for another shooter on the wings at all. Williams is also a good shooter, as is
Memo. In fact, this team is loaded with guys who can hit the J. I
can see the Jazz resigning Memo when his contract is up, assuming he's regained
his health. He's got several good year ahead. Fes looked flat
footed, and completely out of synch in the Lakers series. Not to mention his
flaky personality that drives Jerry nuts. He's a big body, and that's about it.
His career stats, up to this point, bare that out quite clearly. You can get the
same productivity out of dozens of other journeymen centers. He's expendable in
every sense of the word.
Let's see how much Portland offers him! :)
I get a little tired continually trying to point out the virtues of Fesenko to
the hard of heart -- and head -- but here goes. Fesenko was key in helping Utah
past Denver. He played his role and he played it well. Against the Lakers, when
he subbed out, the Jazz had the lead in every game. It was only after Utah went
small that they'd give up the lead, and then they're fighting all the way trying
to get back. Fesenko can provide the Jazz with a lot of punch in the middle,
especially defensively. But he can only do it when he's on the floor. And if
you're expecting Tomic to fill that role when he comes over, don't. Tomic can
play center in a fast lineup, but he's more like Pau Gasol or Kevin Garnett as a
7-foot power forward in the NBA. The Jazz would benefit greatly from re-signing
This may be a wish, and can be a reach. But how about Shaq coming here? His
minutes are down. I don't see too many teams paying him more then the mid-level
money out there, for the minutes he plays. His is now maybe a 10-15 point, 8 or
so rebounder player for the minutes he has. That will give others a time to
rest, or play along side. Derron would be able to easily find him for an
How much is Portland offering Fez?
People are saying Fesenko won the Denver series? Did we watch the same series?
He did OK but Utah was just better than Denver. I really think their outside
shooting is what won them that series. Against the Lakers it was a different
story. I like most Jazz fans knew Utah did not have a shot that series with
Okur out of the lineup. Yes it is true that Fesenko was our best option but far
from effective. He was left unguarded on many occasions only to throw up a wild
shot or get fouled and miss both free throws. Unlike the Denver series Utah got
away w/ using Millsap and Boozer as F and C but not in the LAL series. Fesenko
was exposed for being just a big body w/ very little basketball skills. I'd
resign him but long term deal eh? Especillay now with Jefferson in place of
Boozer (we know have a true low post player who is actually different than
Millsap.) I like this team better already.
@Chuck Nunn- I'm getting tired of you continually sucking up and distorting
facts. Fesenko was a big goof against the Nuggets in the first couple of games.
He was not key to their victory. He filled a need, but we would have been MUCH
better off with Okur.And your claim that "we had a lead every game
until he came out" against the Lakers?.... um... thanks to ESPN that didn't take
long to disprove.Game 1- 5:58 Millsap enters the game for Fesenko
Lakers 16 Jazz 13Sorry, I really do like that you believe in Fes,
just don't distort the facts. ----On another note... any
updates on how he is doing in Europe this year?
@ ChuckNunn- sorry to keep hitting a sore point... I don't value the +/-
statistic much, but I just wanted to show you Fes's +/- in the playoffs.NuggetsGame 1- 5 minutes -1 (worthless stat, not enough time)Game 2- 20 minutes +10 (best on the team!)Game 3- 23 minutes +6 (Korver
was +22 in 25 minutes)Game 4- 29 minutes +6 Game 5- 20 minutes -7
Game 6- 10 minutes -13LakersGame 1- 13 minutes 0 (not
bad considering the jazz lost)Game 2- 17 minutes +4Game 3- 12
minutes 0Game 4- 30 minutes +9 (worthless minutes..Jazz got killed)What does this prove? Well not much. Like I said +/- isn't that great
of a snapshot statistic. I only posted it to show you that Fesenko is not a
game changing performer. He is a role player. Jerry Sloan is a master of using
role players... Fes will not get playing time in big moments (as evidence by
game 6 minutes and the fact that he doesn't play much in the 4th)For
a million bucks, bring him back, but not much more than that.
Anyone who has followed the NBA at all should know that decent NBA centers are
hard to come by. Except for those immediate impact centers that come along
about once every 6-7 years, NBA centers usually take at least 5-6 years to
develop (and often, even the most talented centers take time to develop).
Therefore, unless the Jazz happen to have the #1 pick in a year when an
immediate impact center just happens to be in the draft, they are going to have
to find a "project" center and develop him.I'm unsure why everyone
is so anxious to dump Fesenko when he has been steadily developing his potential
for the past 3 years, is only 23 years old, and his contract is "peanuts" by NBA
standards. By NBA standards, Fesenko has justified his contract even with his
low production. Would everyone rather have someone like Jarron Collins with
limited talent, no potential, similar stats, and a similar contract. At worst,
he is a low cost back-up to match up defensively against large centers, who is a
valuable trade asset. The Jazz should lock him up with the longest contract he
is willing to sign.
The reason to keep Fes is simple. The Jazz defense funnels the opposition
offense to the C. It is designed to do that instead of allow base line attacks.
For about a Mill Fes plugs the middle with hard fouls. He does not
jump that well. He is not a great blocker. He does not appear to have the game
experience that would allow him to smoothly switch when he needs to. However, he is BIG, athletic and very solid when hit by flying guards. He also
manages to put his elbow into Melo's head on the way down from a rebound. After looking at the remaining alternatives they are mostly PFs. Their
NET PERs at C are bad compared to Fes's. They may be better overall players as
measured by WP48 etc but they are better at PF. Fes can be replaced.
But where is his replacement for this season? Who can the Jazz can actually get
right now? There is one more reason to keep Fes (cheap). The
Fes/Boozer combo was the best combo the Jazz had last year. The Jazz
need to see how good the Fes/Jefferson combo will be.
@ Captian L, Chuck Nunn, Shaybo, and BugoffWell said, I totally
agree.I can't wait to see how Fes does this year. I seen quite alot
of improvement with what little playing time he has been given. We've been
patient with C.J. and it looks like thats going to pay off. I believe that Fes
will start to payoff soon too.
@True Fan Hoopsworld is openly saying Utah does not have enough 3 point
shooting to take advantage of Jefferson's low post game. Utah was a
.500 team with Boozer's high post game until Korver was added to unpack the
paint.Jefferson's low post game requires more shooting to give him
the space needed to operate. You do not want AJ shooting contested double teamed
jump shots. He has to have more outside shooting AND he has to
become a better passer. Millsap will replace Boozer's high post game
for now. AJ will operate in the low post and replace Okur's very weak inside
game. No one replaces Okur's outside game. For that to work the Jazz
have to have other outside shooters who can hit high percentage jump shots. IF
they don't then the inside plugs and the flow of the offense stalls. My biggest concern is injuries to shooters during the season. The loss of
Bell, CJ or even Hayward for a couple of weeks will plug the paint for several
games. An insurance shooter (even a D-leaguer) is needed so they can
cover injuries during the season.
Fes putting fear into Lawson and wiping the smirk off of Melo was worth the
$900,000 the Jazz paid Fes last year. He struggled with LA but much
of that is Boozer and Millsap being to short. I think AJ can handle
Odom. IF Fes will block out Bynum, AJ might handle Gasol. The best
way to beat LA is to spread the floor on offense and play zone on D. Fes and AJ put muscle on the floor and they can move LA out of their spots IF
they will do it.
Losing Fes wouldn't be the end of the world, in fact it might force the Jazz to
get a better 7 footer, that can shoot free throws.
15-20 minutes and six fouls is about all you can expect from Fes. That said he
is still worth around 2 million if you ask me.The problem is when he
plays the defense totally ignores he is in the game. Maybe with more playing
time he would know what to do with the ball when it comes to him, but right now
he has a lot to improve on offensively.Who are the 9 under contract?
They must not be counting Gaines and Jeffers or the 2nd round pick. I fully
expect those three and Fesenko to take the last 4 roster spots. I
think you are panicking a bit about the outside shooting Bugoff. Like someone
else said Bell is a very capable outside shooter. DWill, Okur, and CJ (streaky)
can also shoot the ball pretty well and Hayward may be able to contribute
also.I think this Jazz team has a legit shot at the 2 seed and if
they can play well as a team and everyone steps up come playoff time they have a
chance at beating the Lakers.
I would say replace Fes if the Jazz had a better player for the money to replace
him with. FTs are a weakness along with all of his offensive game. I
have reviewed the FA list pretty extentively. I looked over D-league and Euro. I
do not see anyone the Jazz can grab for cheap and plug in who will defend well
at C. I see some people who can play PF and cover C for a few games
The only way the Jazz will get a better c in the long run is either by trading
AK this year, going after a free agent next summer with AK's money off the
books, or bring Tomic over and see if he can develop. Fes is an ok stop gap at
$2m or less.
Tomic, who would want to try to play this little guy against someone like Bynum.
Get a grip on reality! Fez needs to be resigned because: 1. He takes
up space in the middle (anyone remember Eaton). 2. He won't run like
Ophertag.3. His contract is affordable.He isn't the greatest
center in the leage but who else are the Jazz going to get for 1-2 mil.
Without Fes the Jazz don't have a true center, and definitely don't have anyone
that can bang and hold his ground down low. Fes's impact on the game is way more
than statistics show, his skills need alot of work but they aren't that far
away. Fes needs to get playing time so he can not rush, or hurry things, he
needs to slow down and use his size and strength. If he will do that he will
gain confidence, relax and become more productive.Talent & potential don't
always produce stats to start with, a player like Fes needs to learn how to use
his talent and God given abilities and when he does he will produce.Centers with his size, (height,length,bulk)& athleticism, are hard to find,
the Jazz need to sign him for at least 3 years and have team options for even
more.The fact Fes's plus/minus was the highest on the team doesn't say his
individual stats are great, it does tell us that while he is on the floor his
team is winning. That's what we want isn't it?
AJ is not a true center, but he can play center. Okur is not a true center, but
he can play center. Boozer played center in college, but he is not a true
center. Lots of players could and did drive on Okur and Boozer (I've never seen
Jefferson play, but he says he prefers PF to C and others have said he is not
too great a defender).Not many players drive on Fesenko. He is a
true center. We need him, and I like watching him, too.
All of the stats indicate AJ is better at PF than at C. In the long run AJ will
primarily play PF not C. Fes is either a temp solution at C until
Okur return or he develops into the defensive C the Jazz can't afford without
reworking AK/Okur's contracts. If Okur is the C the Jazz can't
contend because neither Okur nor AJ are good enough on defense for the Jazz to
be true contenders. Over the next 2 years the Jazz have to
find/develop a C who can defend and has a decent offensive game. As
long as the paint is not packed the offense will score. However, they will not
contend without a defense like BOS,ORL or even LA's. All those teams have front
court defenders. The defense at PG/SG/SF is passable but not great.
The interior D is bad.
Fez would be good in the concession stand, selling cotton candy,
The interior D was bad with Boozer, Okur and Milsap but that is one of the
things I like about Fes, he changes things the other teams like to do and he
disrupts their offense. It is true his offense is far from being productive and
efficient but he will improve. I have said this many times but those who can
remember Eaton often wish we had a defensive presence like him and he produced
very little offense. Fes is way more athletic than Eaton and he just needs
coaching and playing time to develop & he can be much better than Eaton.Like Chuck was saying Tomic is not a true center, we need Fes and Tomic, Tomic
can swing between 4&5 but Fes is the one we need to develop, so we have a
physical presence in the paint. Like KOC and many others have said, Centers take
alot more time to develop. Fes is only 23, those who want to rag on him and get
rid of him need to chill out and learn some patience.
i'd really want the jazz to make another trade before the other TPE's are
gone...i dont know much about their salary situation...and how the TPE's will
play...but...they could go for a trade...here are some names i'd throw in....Spencer Hawes, JJ Hickson, Marcin Gortat, Fabricio Oberto, Josh Boone, Jevale
Mcgee, Hilton Armstrong, Nenad Krstic, Nick Collison(depending on how Cole
Aldrich and BJ Mullens plays out), Rasho Nesterovic (probably too old), Earl
Barron and how bout Ronny Turiaf?
Fes is bascially a bigger version of Beidrins or Przbilla if he can develop some
offensive moves. He is not Shaq and neither is Shaq any more. Ming
appears done or nearly. Big Z is mostly spent. Fes is about the
biggest C out there right now. Zoubek is only 260. Pittman is shorter. Cousins
re: CaptainLyou said: "I like Hayward better than
Korver but worry Sloan will do his normal and struggle playing a rookie."Ya, kind of like he did with Matthews and Millsap......DOH!!!!!!Its pretty simple people. If a player produces they get minutes. If
there are better players to fill the minutes then the rookies sit.Big whoop.Quit trying to take anecdotal stories of rookies not
playing and make it look like it is the norm.As for Chuck and
Fesenko? I hear they are engaged. They were share their delusional vows at the
altar sometime the summer.Sure thing Chuck, only you can talk like
Fes is Shaq in his prime or something. It really is a bit ridiculous.Fesenko only got a qualifying offer from the Jazz and he and his agent can't
scrounge up another dime from any other team.If you think he is so
great Chuck then maybe you should offer him a contract to play in your fantasy
league...you know the one where you describe to us all the magnificent things he
does.Fes has talent for a big dude but unfortunately he seems intent
on squandering it.
Earl Barron is cheap. NY does not use him a lot. But then NY could
have played Lee at C with Stoudamire or they could have kept Lee (a better
player) for less. NY is mismanaged worse than MN. Who knows what NY
Re The Final Word : If you have read my comments on these sites before, I
qualify my statements and give reasons for my opinion. Mathews and Milsap are
the exceptions not the rule with Sloan, I have watched him for 22 years. Even
DWill wasn't played like he should have been and most of the rookies sit, watch
and learn before they get much if any minutes. It is just the way Sloan is,
hustle players like Mathews & Milsap get PT but that is the only kind of player
that gets it.DWill, CJ, Fes, KK, Brewer,Almond, Humphries, you can name
all the 1st round picks over the last 10 years if not the last 20 years and the
results are the same, rookies don't get much time. Again Mathews and Milsap are
the exceptions not the rule.Sloan is a Hall of Fame coach but I don't like
how he handles rookies and young players, he doesn't like a player to make
mistakes and until they learn how to not make mistakes they sit, whether they
are more talented or not. Sloan is a negative reinforcement type coach, which
hurts players confidence.
Hayward is going to have to play the first time a wing gets injured. Sloan will
not have much choice. He did play Koufos his first year when forced and Koufos
played pretty wel. Koufos was dorked up this year. I suspect it was
the way he was handled. Sloan has his good and bad traits. The biggest problem
is that he will not change unless forced. He has shown more
flexibility since Larry passed. I think it is run more like a business now and
less like Sloan's kingdom.
OK, no more pansies responding to my post behind your little jolly pirate
nicknames. If you're not man enough to use your own name, then keep your little
snide remarks. JFFR comes up with one game that the Lakers had a lead when
Fesenko went out, but that leaves out all the others, ergo, my point is STILL
VALID! And Okur was INJURED during the Denver series, and all you daffodils
moaned about how Utah was going to get swept with Fesenko playing. THAT DIDN'T
HAPPEN. And "Final Word" I sure hope that's your final word, because you brought
NOTHING worthwhile to this discussion. Don't agree with me? Don't have to.
Welcome to America. But man up, or you're just a COWARD!
Chuck Nunn- I came up with more than just one game. I clearly demonstrated that
Fesenko does not have that big of an impact on the game. The Jazz did lose
leads when Fes came out, but the point is it had very little to do with him
coming out. And are we supposed to believe that Chuck Nunn is your
Oh, and that was a 3-point lead in Game 1 against the Lakers, by the by. They
fell behind by double digits before the quarter was over. Game 2, Fesenko goes
out with Utah up 13-9. The game was tied 20-20 when he came back in, and Jazz
trailed by 4 at the end of 1st quarter. Start of the second he's out again. when
he's brought in with 7:13 in the game, Utah trailed by 11. Game 3, Fesenko comes
out of the game with Utah leading 15-9. Game 4, Fesenko leaves the game with
Utah up 16-12. By the time he gets back in in the second quarter, Utah's down
Chuck-Anyone who watched those games could see that Fes did what he was
told to do: Block his man off the boards and shut down the middle,without
fouling out. He was not supposed to leave his feet to block shots.....and foul
out.I am sure a lot of us who watched the games agree with your
assessment.PS. D-Will played 28 minutes a game as a rookie....more
than Milsap or Mathews. Could everyone stop saying that he did not play his
this is funny....thinking fesenko changes the game instantly...i mean...there
are a lot of factors in the game where in leads could be blown...heck...it's
like saying that...i changed the channel when the Jazz were up...and when i turn
back to the game...LA was leading...so it must mean...if i watched the game
entirely the Jazz could've won...there are a lot of factors that have happened
during that game...and its not entirely based on Fesenko...there are 4 other
guys in there with Fes...so its not like Fes vs LA...it was Utah Jazz vs LA
Lakers...to be honest...i really thought Utah will win the series...i never lost
hope till the end...but the ball just didn't bounced our way...this year is
something to look forward to...and i sure hope Fes develops into a more
efficient player...an Oden Type minus the foul trouble and the injuries...
re: KakashiYou need to stop with like...the logic man....I mean
Chuck has found his true love and Fesenko is the right man for him.Just leave Chuck and Fesenko to enjoy their fantasy basketball league they
have going. Its really cool how the league works. Whenever Fesenko
is on the floor and anything good happens he gets all the credit. All the stuff
Fesenko does not do and all the bad stuff never gets mentionedor is obviously
some other players fault.Kind of like our current president. Blame,
blame, blame and then take credit for bogus stuff.I guess that is
why they call it a FANTASY basketball league.
Fes had a discernable affect on the DEN games. Some games it was clear. He had a
bad game or two also as I recall. However, when he had to go up against Bynum
and Gasol who are taller and better than Nene and K-Mart he had less of an
impact. The real question is not "should the Jazz sign Fes who is
cheap, knows the system and is about as good or better than anyone left"? The real debate should be about replacing Okur with a C who will defend
so that the Jazz defense improves or if the Jazz should continue to try to
outscore opponents since they are stuck with Okur's contract for this year. Replacing Okur this year with anyone other than Fes amounts to trading
AK (if possible) and still being at or in the Lux tax.Or use a trade
exemption and going deep into the Lux tax. The average Cs who can defend and
provide some offense start at 6-7 mill and go up to more than Okur. No one knows how effective Okur will be until he has been on the court 2 or 3
Once the Jazz get into the Lux tax their options are quite limited. They have no room for error in any additional acquisitions. The big contracts
of AK, Jefferson, DWill and Okur take up to much money.They are at
the margin. If they lose 2 wings to injury this year like they did last year,
what are the options? Hayward and OJ? Even if they lose one wing they are
hurting.If Jefferson is injured before Okur returns (high
probability) who covers C and back up C? Until Okur fully recovers
this team is extremely vulnerable to injury. AK and Jefferson have histories of
missing games. However, being in the Lux tax makes getting
insurance players is expensive and difficult. I think besides Fes
who can only play C the Jazz need an insurance player at big and one at wing.
Resigning Fes is a no brainer. He even makes sense if the Jazz could
find a PF/C who could both defend and contribute on offense for cheap. The Jazz do not win 50 games this year without some injury insurance.
Would love to know how Fess is doing in the FIBA qualifying tournament. Is
anybody able to find a way to follow his games there? If so, what is he
Captian L: Millsap and Matthews were not first round picks. Sloan will play
the underdog but he won't play rookie 1st round picks.........
Sloan has a vet bias partly because they get calls from the refs and because
they know the system or pick it up quicker. If he is forced too or
if a rookie is clearly better then Sloan will play the rookie. He claims it
takes 3 years to learn his system. Some players never really learn it the way he
wants them to. Some players are not the best players but they know
the system and run it well. Collins is a good example. He was not better than
Fes or Koufos but he played anyway. He is still not better than Fes and Koufos
and many metrics support that. He is still playing. Coaches (not
just Sloan) have biases in favor of players who implement their systems and do
what the coaches tell them to even if they are not a good as some younger
Re The Final Word : I agree with you on at least one thing, that being our
current President, what a loser he is. But, concerning Chuck and Fes your
way off.Like I said, to many of you fans can't see anything but statistics
and if a player doesn't produce statistics he must not be any good. bahhumbug,
bs, Fes isn't a stand out player YET but he has the potential to be one,
whether he will reach that potential is to be determined but the positive impact
he has on the game defensively is not hard to see. (if you can see). The object
of the game is to out score your opponent, that takes defense and offense, &
teamwork, Fes had the highest plus / minus of anyone on the team, that means
while he was on the court his team was winning, THAT IS WHAT YOU WANT!!!The fact his offensive (and even defensive)game still has alot of room to
improve doesn't mean he doesn't have a positive effect on the game. Chucks
points are accurate, while Fes was in the game the Jazz were winning, period.
CJ-Again.....D-will averaged 28.8 minutes as a rookie. He started 47
games,missed 2, and did not get to start 23 games. He only shot 42% and average
only 4.5 assists. But he still started 70% of the time. He played more minutes
than Stock played in 9 of his 19 seasons.D-Will has turned into a
terrific player, obviously. He also proof that Sloan lets rookies play,when
they earn the time.....but nobody gets to play based simply on draft
position.If Hayward earns PT, he will get it....just like D-Will.
CJ MIles: The point is whether the player is a first round pick the point is he
doesn't like to play young players, he likes vets. Mathews and Milsap are the
exception not the rule. Sloan has a hx of 22 yrs of the same problem, CJ, Fes,
KK, are the lastest examples of players with alot of talent but not the hustle
type player like a Mathews or Milsap. DWill was frustrated his rookie year
because he was playing behind 2 journeyman (for half the season)pts (McCloud &
Palasios(sp))and he was way better than them. Sloan plays with players
confidence by the way he jerks them around.
Re: Bugoff, Fez is not the only big who hasn't had much of an impact against
LA's big men, that list would include most of the centers in the NBA including
Im surprised Portland hasnt offered Fesenko a max deal yet.
@Shaybo I agree. You can not expect one player to offset the collective effect
of Bynum, Gasol and Odom. AJ is not going to do it. Millsap and AJ
are not going to do it. However, they will be better than Boozer and Millsap.
If Fes had Shaq's offensive moves then he and AJ might do it. But if
Fes had Shaq's offensive moves he would cost a max salary. The
strength of Fes is his impact on defense. If he can add some offense then he
really helps the team. A lot of people think he played poorly in the
playoffs but I thought he did okay. Not great but I saw enough to conclude that
he could improve with enough experience into a defensive C who rebounds and get
8-10 garbage points and maybe some close shots. Stat wise both he
and Koufos are in the bottom 20% of the Cs but they are not the bottom. Koufos may find a home in the triangle. All he has to do is rebound, and
defend. Fes has a harder road in the flex. There is a lot more going
on for the C.
This is going to be a long summer, football will help but...........It has
been an interesting 1st month of the off season but now the dog days will drag
on. Hopefully something exciting will pop up every so often.
Why is Dallas stockpilling centers?
I checked out the Ukrainian team in the FIBA qualifying tournament on the
internet this morning, and from the last entries I saw, it appears that Fesenko
is no longer on the Ukrainian team. Does anyone know if that is true, and if
so, what happened?
Who makes up a name like Chuck Nunn?I reckon it was too much to
expect you cats to man up. Well, Fesenko is what he is, a big center whu plays
that role well when given the chance. There is a reason the Jazz want to keep
him, and it's a good thing they don't listen to you cats.
I am with you Chuck! Not only do they need to sign him they need to use him.
Also don't sweat this guys that get lippy on this blog I guarantee you they
wouldn't do it to your face and they know it.
It seams like all Jazz fans agree that the Jazz need a big shot blocking center,
but fail to realize that big shot blocking centers are the rarest of NBA
commodities. If I were to ask the average Jazz fan to describe the perfect guy
the Jazz should bring in to play the almost mythical “big shot blocking
center” they would describe Fes with more polish.All the Jazz
need from Fes is to do exactly what he did in the Denver series for 15 to 20 min
a night. Fes’s strengths are Jefferson’s and Okur’s weakness
and vise versa .If Fes can continue to improve he could be exactly
what the Jazz need to go from a good team to an elite team.I'd be
surprised if someone could come up with a list of 5 young 7 footers in the world
right now that have more potential on the defensive end than Fes.The
Jazz need a big shot blocking center and his name is Kyrylo Fesenko.
Re byronbca : Your comments are exactly what I have been trying to get all these
so called experts to realize. Fes is exactly what you would draft if you were
drafting a center, tall, long, athletic, bulk, almost all centers need
developing, very few come into the league ready to play and make major
contributions. All Fes needs is playing time and coaching and he could be one of
the top 5 to 10 centers in the league. I'll agree he is a bit of a head case but
the talent and potential is worth working thru that problem.
MIA has filled up their roster which means they have no room for their 2nd round
picks. Varnado is one of the best shot blockers in the draft. The
Jazz might be able to get him for a minimum non guaranteed salary of about
$500,000. He is very similar (little heavier) to Evans but with more experience
against better competition and is a much better shot blocker.
re:Captain LMaybe you are only reading part of my posts.
I have said all along that Fes is big and has plenty of ability.However I believe you guys give him far too much credit. Sure he has had some
very nice spurts but the fact remains this:Last post season as he
got more minutes his production declined...as the Denver series ended and the
Lakers series began he got progressively worse despite being the biggest.Also don't forget Fesenko was on the floor with our first team as well
which probably contributed substantially to his good +/-.I think Fes
has dramatically underachieved given his natural abilities. He is huge and he
moves well for a big man and yet he went huge stretches without even a
rebound!!He has now been here for years...he has had great coaching,
yet he has chosen to joke around, smoke, and act like a teenager.You
said: "All Fes needs is playing time and coaching and he could be one of the top
5 to 10 centers in the league."Big leap to make based on his ability
to translate his gifts he has squandered thus far.
well...i never said Fes should not be signed...he should be signed + 1 more Big
and 1 more outside threat...there are also 5 bigs that has potential to be a
shotblocking C...Spencer Hawes, Greg Oden, Cole Aldrich, Jevale Mcgee and Darko
Milicic (yes Darko)...to name a few...and to be an effective shot blocker you
need timing....im not saying im an expert...but if you perfectly timed for a
shot...that shot will be blocked...Fes is a space eater...on D...that means
there's this massive dude in the paint that you just can't move...if he improves
he will be good...but he wont be top 5 C...he'll be more like Joel Pryzbilla a
solid C...i can't see him pulling off a david robinson or a hakeem olajuwon...in
the end...Fes will be a solid C...but not an all-star...he still needs a lot of
practice for him to improve...
A center with the physical attributes that Fes has are hard to come by and so
when you have one you need to try your hardest to develop him. Fes has only been
here 3 yrs but his mental discipline and seriousness have been a problem and
concern. Still with his abilities you don't give up on him, you push and
encourage and work and hope he will develop and come around. When you see
flashes of great play, that is when you say he has the potential to do that all
the time if he just will, Fes had 12 boards in the last Laker game, games like
that are what we need and games like the Portland game and Houston game. Fes has
it in him to be good, the Jazz just need to sign him for cheap for 3 more years
and then work with him and he will develop and if he's signed for cheap, he's a
bargain and fills a need.
Fesenko had never been counted on or given as much responsibility as he was
given in the playoffs last year. I think now he realizes the focus it takes to
play in big games and I think his discipline will finally be where it needs to
be to make a solid contribution.
Fes is a risk, but with so much potential at a position the Jazz are desperate
to fill (shot blocking center) they have to take that risk. Signing CJ Miles was
risk a few years ago too, but it looks like that gamble is about to finally pay
off.If the light ever goes on for Fes he could be an absolute beast,
if he never improves I think he’s good enough right now to be a good
insurance policy if Okur or AJ ever goes down.
"The Jazz just need to sign him cheap for 3 more years." I'm sure that's
exactly what the Jazz are trying to do but the fact a deal isn't done yet
probably means Fes doesn't think he's worth "cheap". Fes and/or his agent may
think the Denver series raised his value (either money or year of contract) more
than the Jazz do.
Fes is a reasonable risk for this year and the lock out year. By then the Jazz
will know what they are doing with Okur's and AK's contracts. The
Jazz seem much more serious about contending. They did not over pay Brewer or
Mathews. They did replace Boozer (for less). The fans have
discovered (FO knew) that there are lots of players who want to come to Utah.
Decent players will come to a winner. They are moving players who
are not an ideal fit at their respective position. They are refusing to over
pay. They are acting more like SA. They know they can get good/better
replacements. The flex requires the right players. IF the Jazz can
get ideal players at each position as a starter, they can get tweeners for back
ups who can play multiple positions. If they get enough good players
and max the flex they will contend. WHEN it runs right the flex can't be
stopped. The Jazz are still very weak on defense. Right
now Fes is the best available option?OR use the TPE/AK at the
deadline for the right C and/or an SG/SF.
Sloan has a strong tendency to run his best players into the ground during the
regular season. I agree with winning but he could learn from BOS and PHO. They both played less than ideal players to give the starters some rest
and develop talent. Where would PHO be without developing Lopez?I
think the Jazz injuries are related to Sloan over playing his Vets. It does no good to give Sloan bench players he will not play. IF the Jazz are
to contend they have to have a very strong bench at least thru the first 5 bench
players.When healthy Sloan is going to go with 9 players or less
with the bulk of the minutes. The FO has to give him the right 8-10 players. The
rest are development, insurance players but they have to be capable in case of
injuries. The Jazz seem to be betting on Okur rather heavily. Can he
rebound? Can he still elevate and shoot? I doubt if the Jazz know
before the trade deadline. How well can they compete until the deadline? Do they
try to compete or dump salary then?
For some reason my last two posts weren't allowed to post. Maybe because I
suggested another site to read some interesting comments, I'm not sure.The
just of my comments were Coach Corbin stated that he felt CJ would be a go to
guy in the NBA. That is something I have been trying to get everyone to realize
for years. Especially Houdini. CJ has made it hard for some people to realize
this because his stats and performance haven't made it obvious but talent wise
and potential wise CJ has what it takes to be a go to guy.That being the
case it is easy to see why the FO and coaches think CJ is one of the core
players for the Jazz. CJ playing the 2 is where he is best suited & hopefully
that is where he will get most of his minutes.
I see where the Kings have hired Cousins' high school coach as an assistant to
mentor and help develop Cousins. Smart move by the Kings.I have
thought all along that Fes could use some mentoring and that more emphisis
should be placed on his development. I am sure it has not been easy for him
adjusting to a new country, new culture, the rigors of the NBA, Jerry Sloan etc.
Big men that athletic are very rare and should be given every chance or
opportunity to develop.
Siler is suggesting the Jazz are close to signing Fes but not today.
I see where the Kings have hired Cousins' high school coach to mentor and help
develop Cousins. Smart move by the Kings. Big men with that much ability are
rare in the NBA.I wonder where Fes would be now in his development
if he had had more mentoring or tudoring? If more emphisis had been placed on
BRuss: I agree I have said many times that the Jazz should do like the Lakers
have done for Bynum, they hired Jabaar to tutor Bynum and it still took 3 year
or so for him to come around.Bugoff: Was Siler's comments on twitter or
RE: Captain L I love the idea that Fesenko is like Mark Eaton physically but
has a lot more athletism. You're right, he'll be much better - and hopefully we
can sign him to a long term deal. I hope we can get a deal done with
Fesenko. We have to have a defensive minded player and Fesenko needs to improve
against elite teams like the Lakers, but he's much better than Kosta Koufos
This year the Jazz will be in the same position they were last year. They didn't
get any better or worse this offseason. That being said I am excited about the
pieces we have. After this season we can drop Kirilenkos contract and sign him
for a reasonable amount around the mid level exception. With the extra 10
million or so from dumping that contract we can sign a valuble player to help a
championship run. Also, next season Tomic should come over here. He is 7'2 and
is rumored to be the next Gasol (Pau not Marc). The Jazz have the pieces in line
to build something special. I'm excited.
Re cheeks:I disagree with your first point. There are 2 ways a team
can get better, one is by bringing in new, better talent and the other is by
players already on the team getting better. Taking those 2 factors into account
I think the Jazz are better at every position this year. Dwill was
playing hurt most of last year, I think CJ is about to have a breakout year,
Bell is better than Wes, Hayward should give the SF spot better depth than last
year, Milsap should have a better year than last year and AJ has been better
statistically than Boozer over the last 3 years, plus he’s younger and
better defensively. And If we sign Fes and he continues to improve, the rotation
of AJ Okur and Fes is a better rotation at center than what we had last year.This has been the most exciting offseason the Jazz have ever had and I
think it will translate into more wins and like you I can’t wait for the
season to start.
We are hoping that a year later and a little more maturity will bring this big
boy into a big man. The big guy needs to focus, and stay dedicated to getting
better, which I think he will. Fes and Gaines need to spend a lot more time
practicing their free throws too.
Fesenko=much below average center that isn't going to get much better. Very
little improvement in 3 yrs. Don't buy this argument it takes 5-7 yrs. for a
center to contribute. Also, Fes is goofy and somewhat uncoachable. He'll never
develop into an impact NBA player. Having said all that, there aren't any
better options for the Jazz at C and he should be re-signed, hopefully for only
Re: The Great HoudiniA number of the so-called "basketball experts" rate
the Jazz at #2-3 in the Western Conference after picking up Jefferson and
Bell....your opinion is meaningless as it's based on nothing except your being
naive about the NBA.
A. Dont count your Tomics before they hatch. B. Fess will never even fit
in Mark Eatons shadow.C. "If" Fess would... "IF" Fess could.D. I
dont see any teams fighting over Fess.E. Sign Fess for or around
Qualifying offer.F. Sign D-Wills friend Auggie instead..
Fes is a young kid in a foreign land, all by himself. He deals with language
barrier, every day. Even the alphabet is different. His size separates him,
any way. He is in a tough spot. I hope he becomes a player but I admire his
determination in staying here. I know what I would have done at his age: run
home to where things are a lot more comfortable. As for the so-called "fans"
who are on his case, constantly, he should have two words and the second should
I'd like to see the Jazz re-sign Fes and Gaines, and sign Jeremy Evans, Sean
Williams and Jerry Stackhouse to fill out the roster. Sean Williams would give
the Jazz an athletic big who could run the floor and block shots--something they
currently do not have (who is like a slightly taller, longer, more athletic
Kirilenko). Stackhouse would give the Jazz insurance at the SF spot. Based on
his play last year with Milwaukee, he still has a good offensive game, and could
play 15-20 minutes a night, if necessary. It would be good to keep Evans'
rights to see if he could develop.All of these players could be had
a bargain basement prices--and even though the players on the end of the bench
seldom play, it would be nice to have some players that either can play when
called upon, or are athletic, talented "projects" who could turn into good
players down the line.
Jazz, use AK's money to go get Tyson Chandler after this season. I have a
feeling AK will end up in New Jersey--for the money and the idea of playing for
a russian owner--and Chandler is something the Jazz have never had, an athletic
center that can block shots, finish alley-oops, etc. I just saw a replay of the
Jazz-lakers series and on one play Deron throws it up to Fes and he, even with
nobody around him, doesnt even come close to catching the ball, let alone dunk
it. That would never happen with Chandler. AK is a very valuable asset, and I
would have no problem with his return at a much lower price, but Chandler could
be the piece to put the Jazz in a position to seriously contend (especially
since kobe will be pretty much done by 2011-12)
Unless the Final Word is a Jazz insider and actually knows the players
personally he is spouting off junk he knows nothing about