Human trafficking and Migrant smuggling, if at all mentioned, will be discussed
only momentarily. (Turn a blind eye, do not look at the human atrocities
occuring.)The forgotten immigrants, those who are legal immigrants
of all nations in Utah, hopefully will have a voice in this discussion.
Sounds like the LDS church is in favor of leaving things how they are, or
amnesty. I'm glad they came out like this. From what I've seen, most members
aren't really capable of making decisions about things like this on their own
and need guidance from the brethren. Good move.
This list and the means to obtain the information of those on the list is a
misdemeanor violation of FEDERAL law.Why is the state, the police
and Herbert meddling in federal affairs?
to fantazius: It would appear that the information about those on the list was
obtained for one reason: to obtain employment, employment benefits, welfare or
food stamps. I'm not saying this out of hate or any other thought other than
that to ask the questions that would lead to the answers supposedly given would
be to determine one's eligibility for aid. Those questions would not be asked
for any other reason. Deliberate on that anyway you want, but that's what it
comes down to.
To all of the religious leaders and all others who say illegal immigration is a
human issue and we need reform with compassion for our brother in poverty who
only wants a better life for themselves. Liars, you just want to
fill the pews with paying10 per centersI have been unemployed,
again, since February of this year.I am again homeless and living
outside in the weeds, my savings are gone, I am 2 months late on paying fee on
my storage unit, which goes to auction soon and contains everything I own
including irreplaceable photos of my family.I have contacted all of
you for help finding a job and temporary financial assistance so I do not lose
what so little I have of cherished possessions, to no avail.Where is
the human compassion?Answer ME.
Herbert should be having an immigration ENFORCEMENT summit and
concentrating on the displaced, impoverished workers and CITIZENS of Utah.
I think we need to invite Teddy Roosevelt to this summit."In
the first place, we should insist that if the immigrant who comes here in good
faith becomes an American and assimilates himself to us, he shall be treated on
an exact equality with everyone else, for it is an outrage to discriminate
against any such man because of creed, or birthplace, or origin. But this is
predicated upon the person's becoming in every facet an American, and nothing
but an American...There can be no divided allegiance here. Any man who says he
is an American, but something else also, isn't an American at all. We have room
for but one flag, the American flag... We have room for but one language here,
and that is the English language... and we have room for but one sole loyalty
and that is a loyalty to the American people."Theodore Roosevelt 1907
The first report of the list showed two glaring oversights. Mayor Carroon who's
office processes the bookings in the Salt Lake country jail, and as such, should
be there. And the minutemen. I don't identify with either group. But
if you going to have La Raza there, then you need their counterpart in the
discussion. So is the round table to help the situation, or or is it a political
show? (not inviting the other person running for Governor)? I hope
you reconsider both sides. So Shurtleff has said that he will not
enforce the laws against people here illegally from other countries, but will
enforce the laws against Utahns? Both are misdemeanors and felonies. Lists like this can be made up by private citizens who get together and turn
in people illegally in the neighborhood Mr. Shurtleff. It can be done in a legal
and lawful way. Treat each group equally. They were just trying to
make a better life for their family by stopping corruption in state government.
The summit should focus on one thing only: How to better prosecute employers to
cut off the invaders income as well as how to cut off any income from government
benefits. Self deportation and the ride back home to Mexico is less than a days
drive away. There are plenty of jobs available in the Mexican army
and police force. Don't forget the millions of jobs available building high rise
condominiums, as soon as the government ok's development of the Baja coast.
"Finding a successful resolution will require the best thinking and goodwill of
all across the political spectrum"It is unrealistic to think that all of
Gods children will be satisfied here. Divorce comes to mind. There will always
be victims and there will often be only painful choices. Some in the Illegal
Immigration confrontation will be asked to make the hard choice and bear the
brunt of the pain. That is why we have laws so that problems like Illegal
immigration do not get out of hand. The laws were not enforced so we are bearing
the consequences. There is only one successful solution. Remove the Illegal
Immigrants! Anything else will not work. Amnesty does not work. It only brings
you full circle to another amnesty. Giving away U.S. citizens jobs and tax money
to Illegal Immigrants only encourages more Illegal Immigration. This is not a
time for accommodation and surrender to those who have no respect for our laws.
This is a time to stand up for the rule of law and order. Not more chaos and
fantazius | 7:17 p.m. July 19, 2010"I am again homeless and living
outside in the weeds, my savings are gone, I am 2 months late on paying fee on
my storage unit..."I wish you the best in your efforts to rise above
your current situation. I too was homeless in 1998 due to a forced retirement
for medical reasons. Hang in there. Do not give up.
Focus, people, Focus: WHY did DWS have information about undocumented
immigrants? They don't administer food stamps do they? Do they find jobs for
the illegal parents of children born here? Employers are supposed to check the
validity of Social Security Numbers. Doesn't DWS do the same?There are SEVERAL stories here, and most are going uninvestigated. Maybe
these whistle-blowers had no other way to get the word out that something at DWS
fantazius does have a point.Who at this round table will be speaking for
the97,000 unemployed workers. Who will speak for our families who are
facing foreclosure on their homes.Who will speak for our hungry
Gov. Herbert, The citizens of Utah call upon you to do the right and
moral thing. Stop illegal immigration, deport illegals and revolk the business
licsense of employers who use illegal labor. This is what your citizens want.
You represent us, not illegal foriegners.
"Shurtleff added that he is ready to launch a formal criminal investigation once
other state departments forward their findings to him. He said his office will
perform the investigation, but share results with the U.S. attorney for Utah
because of the possibility that federal and state laws may have been
violated."Say What??!! I thought Shurtleff wouldn't
enforce Federal laws. That's the excuse he gives every time someone asks him to
enforce the laws against illegal aliens.
The Utah Department of Workforce Services has identified at least two employees
who are believed to be involved in the creation of a list containing the
personal information of some 1,300 people. I think we should give them Raises
for saving the TAX Payers of Utah money! Further, the recent study reveals that
the cost to native-headed households is an average of $1,117 per year.
According to the report, Utah taxpayers are spending $453 million a year on
illegal immigrants.Let Honor those that save us Money. Since these on the
list are not Citizens, they have no rights therefore there was no law broken....
to Hillen and Quetzalcotl re: fantazius - if anyone is living outside in the
weeds and has time to find a computer and waste that precious time adding his
opinion to this comment board, then that person is wasting his time and is NOT
looking for employment.
Alleged illegal foreign nationals? The state is so shocked and stunned to be
told that illegal aliens are on the state payroll and looting they don't want to
investigate the list to disprove its accurate.The only thing the
list exposed is stolen identities and illegal aliens with others information.
The data base has been falsified and so corrupted the state doesn't want to
admit they have been participating in ID theft of american people.Then under federal and state laws, whistle blowers are immune to prosecution
and to prosecute anyone for exposing fraud, ID theft, of this information they
must first prove these illegals have not stolen my identity. Every american and
citizen of Utah knows that illegal aliens are looting our government and the
government heads just want to keep the truth hidden. We have whistle blower laws
for a reason, to stop fraud in government crimes.Illegal foreign
nationals have no rights or and identity and any identity they have fraudulent
given the state is my information. The only reason the list hasn't been revealed
is to protect themselves from 1300 irate americans about their identities being
stolen.Cover up big time.
Walt Nicholes,DWS does administer food stamps and illegals apply for
food stamps for their children born in the US. The food stamps allocations are
VERY generous, especially when you realize the money goes only for food
items--you shouldn't compare the amount they get to what you and I spend at the
grocery store because our bill includes non-food items. Those on FS must use
their own funds for those items. DWS also administers Medicaid, for which
US born children are also eligible. No help getting jobs, you have to be a
citizen or on a visa that allows you to work for that. I worked in
elligibility for 6 months and nearly lost my mind there. I quit before that
could happen. I totally understand those DWS workers being fed up. I'm also a naturalized citizen. NO path for citizenship for illegals. Green
card: yes, US citizenship: NO. No one who has entered the United
States of America illegally should EVER be rewarded with US citizenship, which
is the most coveted citizenship in the world.
If illegal immigrants are not illegal and federal law is not enforced against
them, WHY are the acts of those who published the list illegal? The list
preparers need compassion and to be excused from any fault. Our lack of
confidence in elected officials AND OUR POLICE CHIEF for Pete's sake is not
helped by their selective law enforcement. Shame on them!
Why would the govenor or Shurtleff think that these illegals should be given
preference over the hundreds of law abiding people who are on lists and waiting
to come to USA through legal means?Many on those lists come educated
and ready and willing to bring business and capital to the area that is much
needed. Some programs allow immigrants to come if they bring a business and
$500,000. Without being heartless, those people would be an asset vs those who
are here illegally and have shown a propensity to break US laws already.
Utah has its tap-roots in Arizona, the front line in the fight against illegal
immigration. The illegal immigrants are an enormous public safety problem.
They're rapists. They're drug runners, they're human smugglers, gang members.
It's outrageous. Those that love this type of crime's call it racial profiling,
just to get ones mind away from what it really is all about only. Here's the
cost of not enforcing the law. In Arizona $2.7 billion to educate, medicate and
incarcerate a year. Who pays for that, the tax payer's. If you look at the
law, what do you not see?. You don't see anything about money laundering. You
don't see anything about cop killing. Seeing Congress failed us all, all we can
do is make it so miserable that they'll leave, and report them to ICE and let
them deport them. We don't want criminal's to just pay a fine and take a place
in a line that puts them on a path toward documented status, that would be us
aiding and abetting a criminal under U.S. law. Report, then let ICE deport. Do
Those list generators should be given bonuses and awards for putting their
careers in jeopardy to give our society a chance to take a small step toward
redeeming itself. If you want to be lenient, charitable, humane, and all the
rest . . . do it with your own money, and travel to the third-world "countries"
where the people need help in remaking their own societies. Quit putting the
rest of us on the hook to ante up for ongoing insanity. We have no obligation
to subsidize, accept, or adopt invaders who run in here and proceed to demand
all things from us. Stop the foolishness, show some functional intelligence,
build some backbone, and take a stand while we still have a choice in the
25 years of talk has gotten us nowhere. Enforcing current laws and intellectual
honesty is the only solution now. We set the wrong example by
rewarding dishonest behavior.
I agree with Informed Voter that we need to extend compassion towards those who
published the list. These are hard working people who've taken jobs none of us
want. They have families. They serve in our communities, attend our churches,
pay taxes. Compassion, brothers and sisters. Compassion.And if necessary, let's have civil dialogue.
Look---you people are so obsessed with the remote possiblity of someone taking
public money to feed their children that it has warped your sense of kindness
and charity and compromises your Christian principles! Then you support someone
who breaks the law in an attempt to tear families apart, under the premise that
THEY are breaking the law. Shameful and disgusting.
Hurray for the list generators. Honor them and give Shurtlef andthe rest of our
political the door!!
Where is the story about the illegal Mexican national who was caught yesterday
tending a secret garden of 5000 marijuana plants here in Utah? Isn't the story newsworthy for Deseret News or does it not follow their
politically correct policy? This fits in with the liberal course the church is
following now so it figures.
Actually under Utah's discriminatory laws, if you break the law, you received
more food stamps. Utah was a pretty great state if you came here
illegally. Let's convene a summit over that.
Too much political correct-ness to ever come up with a solution.May
as well release judges and lawyers as they have no place in society anymore. If
anyone is caught breaking the law the state and governor can hold a meeting to
discuss how bad the law was broke.
Yay for Alex Segura! There's not much better honor than in risking your job or
even your life for what you believe is right.
Ok, so eight more concerned citizens are bieng probed, yet nothing is being done
about the illegals???? Is it only me or is something wrong here???
"Comment not posted" More DWS employees being investigated.Has anyone
heard of any of these illegal immigrants being investigated? What is wrong
with this picture?
Does anyone know how easy it is, or how much of a pain it is, to sponsor someone
to come into the United States from South America? I am considering sponsoring
some old friends.
From the article:"while the UMP has many who follow its views and
updates, it has only 26 dues-paying members"For being only a couple
dozen people they sure are loud and seemingly omnipresent.
Seems to me that the headline should read 'illegal aliens' not immigrants. I
have no problem with those who desire to emigrate legally but I do have an
objection to those who come here, breaking numerous laws to take advantage of
our generous systems. They are 'educated' south of the border on how to take
advantage of our systems, this should be reason enough to send them back.
re: Koncerned citizenDo you ever hear about illegal immigrants being
investigated or deported? No, it's not something that INS officials broadcast
for the public's humor, or to appease the mob mentality of the Tea Partiers.But one thing you will hear about is when a group of public employees
illegally give out private information to the public. That's a no brainer.Time to grow up and act like an adult. Use some common sense here.I'd like to hear more about the legal hispanic's who made the list,
wouldn't you? Each news channel has interviewed at least 1 individual whose
name was on the list who is a legal citizen. Lets do further research and here
about that attrocity.
More empowerment and enabling of illegal alien invaders.Whats to
"discuss"?The law is pretty plain, unless you obtain proper
paperwork through the U.S. Dept. of State you ARE breaking the law and SHOULD be
detained and deported!Just more attempts by those who think its just
"hunky dory" that illegal aliens:steal public servicessteal our jobsApparentally city and state leaders ONLY
notice the feelings of U.S. citizens when they get voted OUT of office.Bob Bennett and Chris Cannon also tried to put a "happy face" on illegal
I listened to the round table and found it "strange" that every Hispanic name in
the group supported the Hispanic cause. Not much concern about the Welsh or
Sudanese who are waiting 10+ years to immigrate. Hispanics have the lion share
of illegal and legal quotas. Need to stop that and make immigration to the USA
equal throughout the world.
At present I question why President Obama has deployed troops on the border, as
they have no power to initiate an arrest or shoot drug smugglers? Sen. Reid
should now be carefully watched, as with having a large population of illegal
immigrants that will violate the law in voting him back into office. His
opponent Sharron Angle can be molded by public opinion, but Reid has too many
questionable irons in the fire. Many favors have likely been brought from
special interests and open border trash, which need him as in top leadership to
try and force through another trillion dollar amnesty. If the
illegal immigration invasion was intended to be a federal violation, then why
did they make entering the United States a misdemeanor, instead of a felony? IF
ARIZONA”S POLICING LAW IS A FEDERAL VIOLATION, WHY HASN'T THE GOVERNMENT
SWEPT DOWN ON THE PROMOTERS OF SANCTUARY CITIES? Ask your Representatives in
Congress and state assemblies these questions at 202-224-3121. Don’t wait!
Bombard your lawmakers with your demands or see this country become
overpopulated and in many neighborhoods third world slums, costing US taxpayers
billions more in welfare programs.
Does not matter whether or not illegal immigration is a misdemeanor or a Felony,
I would prefer it to be a misdemeanor with a 6 month jail sentence, a $5000
dollar fine to pay for the ride home, anything left over from the fine the State
keeps. The whistle blowers should be commended. IT should not be a crime to
report a crime against the state.