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Published: Sunday, July 18 2010 12:34 a.m. MDT

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Vanessa62

An astonishing number of commentors seem to be completely missing the point of the article. The immigration system is broken. Has been for a long time. Immigration regulations are archaic and no longer serve the best interests of this country.

Consider that the majority of illegals are desperate enough to leave everything and everyone they love behind to live for years in exile.

They do it for the most human of reasons: a chance of a better life for themselves and their children.

Hardly the equivalent of waiting 15 minutes in a crowded supermarket to pay for a bag of potato chips.

How many of those smug, sanctimonious posters would be willing to make similar sacrifices for THEIR families, I wonder?

*And on a side note: Check out how many Utah drivers obey the posted speed limits. Lawbreaking, anyone? Pot. Kettle.*

Furthermore - in your rush to condemn human beings for daring to risk everything for a dream of a better life, you're forgetting something:

If illegals couldn't find work, they wouldn't come here. If employers didn't hire them, they wouldn't remain here. So why no words of condemnation for employers?

Oh, yeah. They're white.

Vanessa62

TO: wrz | 11:51 a.m. July 18, 2010

Bunch of hooey? When did YOU go through the immigration process?

I'm willing to bet... NEVER.

Don't judge a man until you have walked a mile in his shoes.

Vanessa62

To: wjalden | 9:12 a.m. July 18, 2010

"Actually the bureaucrats, rather than abuse their authority, are far more likely to allow in people who shouldn't be here. Issuing a visa to someone who shouldn't be allowed takes a few seconds. Rejecting a visa can result in hours of paperwork, appeals, calls from congressmen, and heaven-only-knows what else. All the incentives are to not to do their jobs guarding the doors to this country."

Clearly, YOU have never spent years doing the document do-si-do with INS bureaucrats. Otherwise, you would have witnessed The Peter Principle raised to to a whole new level. Trust me - the INS LOVES filling out forms. Job security.

Vanessa62

To: Geneina | 11:19 a.m. July 18, 2010

Deseret News produced a neutrally-biased, well-written article on an emotionally charged issue.

Just because they didn't write a lopsided opinion piece slanted to fit your views doesn't mean they advocate illegal immigration, lawbreaking, or anything else you slandered them with.

It's refreshing to read something in Utah that just presents the facts, and lets the reader decide what to think.

There are always two sides to every story. The immigration debate is not the cut and dried, over-simplified issue you obviously believe it to be.

As for all those 'crimes' that illegals are commiting - I notice you didn't say a word about the crimes being commited by hteir employers. 99% of whom know they're hiring illegal workers.

Got something to say about persecuting and prosecuting them?

formerUT

Yep--this yet again PROVES the biggest prejudice people have against others: This over-arching assumption that being "poor" means that one is lazy and a drain on society.

The MAJORITY of immigrants who first populated THIS country WERE INCREDIBLY POOR!!!! I cannot and WILL not fault ANY person for coming to this country, legally or not, who wanted to try to better their lives--especially as I've seen SOME of what they were living with in their "home" countries.

To quote the plaque on our Statue of Liberty "Give us your poor, your teaming masses, YEARNING to be FREE". It is perpetually stupid for rich US citizens to be so prejudiced towards those who want to come here because they're "poor". It is those whom are "poor" who pick your oranges, your onions, your potatoes--you rich LAZY people! THEY are the ones who clean YOUR toilets, cook YOUR hamburgers, SLAVE for YOUR behalf.

The day our immigration policy and laws in this country are EQUAL and FAIR--based upon a person's income--rather than discriminating against them for it--THAT will be the day when we can put all this illegality behind us!

Another Perspective

One of the reasons America is a great land is that we are a land of immigrants and typically immigrants are among the best of the people of the country they come from.

These are the people with energy, the people with dreams, people willing to take risks.

So long as immigrants continue to want to come here we will have that much of an advantage.

Brother Paul

Amen to Vanessa62!!!

Joe South a singer/songwriter of the late 1960's
said well in music and lyric:

Walk A Mile in My Shoes. Walk A Mile in My Shoes. Before you Criticise, Accuse, and Abuse, Walk A Mile in My Shoes!!

Elvis Presley also sang that song in his concerts
and some of his later albums.

Jesus said: Judge Not, that Ye.....

You all know the rest.

Jesus loved ALL of God's Children....

answersrez_obeytheylaw

The LDS Church needs to be less wishy washy and non-commital with its public statements. They teach us to obey the laws of the land. We are not supposed to do this when it is convenient.
It is a long time coming for local police to be able to haul in illegal immigrants for every nation who break our laws and take them to INS and it is time for INS to get more man power to start deporting those here illegally caught breaking laws of the land. There are congregations of LDS church members in this nation here illegally and they know it is wrong. It is understood they have come to make a better life but breaking the law of this land to do this does not make it correct.Too many illegals hanging around college campuses trying to latch on to Americans for the fast track to green cards.Students who pay tuition to get a higher education should be protected from preditors by having the school permit only students enter their school activities. I am for reform of the fast track of having a baby here gets a person status here too, no more

attentive

I've written this before and I'll try to get it posted again: Canada will only accept a person as a new citizen if they are between the ages of 18 and 54, are employed, or have a net worth of $800,000.00. Eight hundred thousand dollars. If it weren't for the strict requirements, I'd move to Canada, but they would deport me. Maybe I should try to sneak across the border somewhere from Idaho and see if the Canadian government would have pity on me and give me housing, education, healthcare, and food stamps. What a laugh, huh?

Madden

The headline explains it exactly...legal immigration is broken, which is why normally "good" people turn to the illegal variety.

wrz

@Another Perspective 12:12 p.m.:

"...which really wouldn't be amnesty because they would pay a fine."

Amnesty is where illegals are not kicked out but are allowed to stay in the US whether they get citizenship or not. Most illegals here don't want citizenship. Keep that in mind. They just want jobs in the US where pay far exceeds what they could make in their home countries. Even staying here while awaiting a visa or citizenship is amnesty.

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Random thought: What if we got rid of the borders, all of North, Central and South America combined and became simply one America?

dansimp

To all those who champion 'support the law no matter what'. Bear in mind, it was illegal to harbor Jews in Europe during WWII. It was also legal to kill Mormons in Missouri. It was legal to own slaves. It was illegal for white and black to marry. It was legal to force Japanese into internment camps. Law and right are not always the same. Especially in the U.S. we have a system set up to change bad or immoral laws. Being the law doesn't make something right. We should fight to change laws that are wrong. Hopefully, I will live to see this one become right.

As has been said before, being here undocumented is not a crime, quit calling them criminals.

For the person who wanted to say Elder McConkie was wrong...if you believe the Doctrine and Covenants is true, then you believe the Constitution is for 'all flesh'. D&C 101:77.

spudhead

"And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother’s eye, but perceivest not the beam that is in thine own eye?"
I'm sure all of you all comply with every law: You always pay use tax on anything you buy online that isn't taxed. None of your children are illegally downloading music from Limewire or Kazaa for their ipod's. You never speed or break traffic laws. Your tint isn't too dark on your windows and you don't Jaywalk.
Many of our illegal immigrant brothers and sisters are here working hard doing the jobs that you and I simple won't do. Get to know a few of them. For the most part they are just like you and me. Trying to make a better life for their families not trying to take advantage of us.

wrz

@Vanessa62 12:45 p.m.:

"The immigration system is broken."

Not so. Immigration system laws are healthy and well. What is broken is enforcement. And why is enforcement broken? Because politicians (who run the government) look to the Hispanic vote to keep them in office. And right now, Hispanics are the people flooding across our borders who politicians wish to woo and court.

"If illegals couldn't find work, they wouldn't come here. If employers didn't hire them, they wouldn't remain here. So why no words of condemnation for employers?"

And who is responsible for running herd on employers who hire illegals? The US government. And why won't the government enforce the laws? See answer above.

wrz

@Vanessa62 12:45 p.m.:

"The immigration system is broken."

Not so. Immigration system laws are healthy and well. What is broken is enforcement. And why is enforcement broken? Because politicians (who run the government) look to the Hispanic vote to keep them in office. And right now, Hispanics are the people flooding across our borders who politicians wish to woo and court.

"If illegals couldn't find work, they wouldn't come here. If employers didn't hire them, they wouldn't remain here. So why no words of condemnation for employers?"

And who is responsible for running herd on employers who hire illegals? The US government. And why won't the government enforce the laws? See answer above.

Hunt

This constant pro illegal immigration drumming by the dnews is starting to get tiresome. What has happened to balanced reporting?

ComSen1

@ Sen-Mid 9:47 - A little more history for you:

Mexican-American War, 1846-48

There were cross-border incursions by the Mexicans into US Territory - property ceded by Mexico following the war for Texas' independence, after which the Mexican government "officially" said they would not honor and beyond. The US was attacked by the Mexican Army. US forces counter-attacked and invaded Mexico. US forces routed the Mexican forces on all fronts, and occupied Mexico City.

Following the war, however, the United States government

- wait for it -

PAID Mexico for the additional territory, (including AZ and CA) just like they had offered to do before Mexico invaded. The land is ours, bought and paid for. It was not "stolen."

So here's a question considering we no longer live in "colonial" times. Should the English seek reparations from the Normans? The Saxons? Maybe the Romans! Maybe the Spanish should seek them from the Moors. The Chinese from Mongolia.

Even God would only punish the children to the third of fourth generation of those who hate him (Ex20). How many generations are the American people to be held responsible for the supposed "sins of our fathers?"

Hunt

@Venessa

If the dnews was trying to be neutral we would see stories about those who are legal citizens being effected negatively by illegals. We would see stats that show the impact illegals have on our states welfare system, healthcare system and economy in general. I understand that this is a multi-part series. It will be interesting to see if any of this is addressed.

Not_Scared

"There are rules and regulations for a reason. Illegal means criminal." Unless you're a state worker who breaks the law making a list of 1300 people with Hispanic names or Mike Noel.

"Driver compliance with speed limits is poor. On average, 7 out of 10 motorists exceeded the posted speed in urban areas. Compliance ranged from 3 to 99 percent. Compliance tended to be worse on low-speed roads, better on roads with prima facie limits, or where the speed limit was based on an engineering study. Better does not mean good compliance; less than 10 percent on [sic] the sites had more than 50-percent obedience with the posted speed."

"12.8 million Americans, about 6 percent of the household population aged twelve and older, use illegal drugs on a current basis."

We are a nation of law.

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