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Published: Saturday, July 17 2010 8:00 p.m. MDT

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Vespero

So many people on this board claiming to be LDS, so many people on this board refusing to listen to the counsel of their leaders, so many people so locked in their own opinion that all they can do is justify their own hatred and try to feel righteous doing so... This is not just a problem for those who are here illegal. For decades, we have lured them here with our immigration policies with a wink and a nudge. The United States is as responsible as those who have come seeking a better life, and the United States needs to take accountability for their side of this as well. To merely kick them all out and think that we are solving the problem or being fair would be a large exercise in self-justification, blaming, and self-deception. What is needed is a thoughtful and measured response that does not just simply punish those who have immigrated illegally for heeding the implicit invitations that the USA has given in so many ways. A proper solution will recognize the shared accountability.

sarajean

One of our greatest Presidents, who actually saw the potential of our great America, had this to say,
"I've spoken of the shining city all my political life, but I don't know if I ever quite communicated what I saw when I said it. But in my mind was a tall, proud city built on rocks stronger than oceans, wind-swept, God-blessed, and teeming with people of all kinds living in harmony and peace; a city with free ports that hummed with commerce and creativity. And if there had to be city walls, the wall had doors and the doors were open to anyone with the will and the heart to get here. That's how I saw it and see it still.
And how stands the city on this night? More prosperous, more secure, and happier than it was eight years ago....she's still a beacon, still a magnet for all who must have freedom, for all the pilgrims from all the lost places who are hurtling through the darkness toward home."
President Ronald Reagan in his farewell address.
I don't see our city that way now. We have changed.

JM


@Vespero, just FYI, there are people on the DN all the time pretending to be LDS who are actually anti-Mormons. Every time they try to prove the BoM BoA, etc, false they actually end up proving it true.

So, they have developed another tactic, it's called, offend everyone by pretending to be LDS. Many of these people hate Mormons and want others to hate us also. Some of them are gay activists. Maybe all are, don't know. They have many screen names,and you will especially find them on Michael Ash's articles on teh BoM and etc.

mkSdd3

I support sending people back to their country of origin, and emigration based on the rule of law. Close the boarder and enforce the laws.

This opinion is NOT uncivil!

However those people that are on the other side of the issue have called names and hurtled insults at me. I think the call for civility is pointed at you not me.

Stop using names like racist, bigot, uneducated, stupid, and any other name that you think is OK to use.

Just because we have a different opinion doesn't mean you have to be uncivil towards me.

Bleeding Heart

There has been SO much mention of the 12th Article of Faith, but surprisingly, to my knowledge, NO mention of Matthew 22:37-40: "Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind. This is the first and great commandment. And the second is like unto it, THOU SHALT LOVE THY NEIGHBOUR AS THYSELF. On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets."

LDS Liberal

Here it comes Conservatives....

Who is it going to be?

Those of you who will follow the Brethren?,
or those of you who will follow hate radio.

This is further proof Modern Conservtives are WRONG and are following today's versions of Sherem, Nehor, and Korihor.


All the more reason I applaude KSL dumping "Sean Hannity".

Kimber

I love it LDS Liberal! It's kinda hard to believe that you are both LDS and Liberal (kind've a contradiction in terms). When I found that basically I'm a moderate Liberal I also found I couldn't fit in in the LDS religion. But I'm glad to see that there is someone that would rather try and be both (but I will watch to see if you sometime decribe how that is). This is because if you are open about it, you are likely to be warned or dis-fellowshiped (at least) and if you are silent you will eventually feel that you cannot keep hiding within yourself.

Chris B

Kimber,

You must be new to these posts. LDS Liberal is not LDS. Like all liberals, he hates the Mormons.

eagle

You can be liberal and moderate and be a good LDS person. I get sick of hearing this garbage from those on both sides of the political aisle.

LDS Liberal

Chris B | 1:48 p.m. July 19, 2010
Kimber,

You must be new to these posts. LDS Liberal is not LDS. Like all liberals, he hates the Mormons.

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Don't EVEN go there.

You know about people who "assume" don't you?

Furthermore; you are PRECISELY the very group the Brethren are refering to [or do you realize that?].

Question my position on politics ALL you want,
Calling me NON-Mormon because I disagree with you "politically" is wrong and that's why the repeated warnings both over the pulpit and repeated LDS News-letters.

That old "you not a patriot, and are UN-American because I dis-agree" from ultra-Conservtative hate-radio hacks might work in for your ignorant entertainment, but the World-Wide LDS Church won't play that game.

1happycamper

WOW! I'm absolutely Modified to learn that there are actually liberal LDS Mormons. I see a lot of double standards going on in these comments. You folks are suppose to follow your leaders. Although one of your very high ups is a democrat--SO does that make him a liberal? All I know is that people coming into this country illegally are breaking the laws in my book.

LDS Liberal

1happycamper | 3:29 p.m. July 19, 2010
WOW! I'm absolutely Modified to learn that there are actually liberal LDS Mormons. I see a lot of double standards going on in these comments. You folks are suppose to follow your leaders. Although one of your very high ups is a democrat--SO does that make him a liberal? All I know is that people coming into this country illegally are breaking the laws in my book.
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Some of our highest ups is not even an Americans.
German Socialist for that matter.

To which I add, he holds my most humbled respect as a servant of the Lord.


And I agree, people coming into this country illegally are breaking the laws in my books too.
[Hint: that's why they are illegal, right?]

onewhotries

Since this country was originally lived on by the ancestors of these Latinos it will return to them if we Americans don't honor and obey the God of this land;it says so in the Book of Mormon.Europeans came here freely under divine inspiration; mostly poor and uneducated. Now you have laws to prevent others from the same opportunities.Will you pick the fruit, gather the veggies, clean the toilets? No, now that you're educated you want 'big' jobs, you wouldn't do the work these poor people do or your ancestor's did.What will be next? Get rid of the Blacks and take their jobs? Watch, pray, and obey for this is what God asked us to do. Love one another, serve one another. With all your smarts find a better plan.You practice obeying the law,set a better example.Follow the prophet, he can 'see' better and more than any of us. Remember the last inhabitants of this land and why they lost it.Pray before you vote so we can have better leaders who will listen, as George Washinton and Abraham Lincoln did, for God's counsel.This country needs to repent

1happycamper

Geepers, JM. That is great prophesying that you are doing here. However, not to offend you in anyway, but you seem a bit paranoid. um, love ya anyway :)

onewhotries

I think Americans are afraid. The old saying,"what goes around comes around" can be applied here. If God said ,"there is room enough and to spare", and there is a lot of unused land,why should it be so hard to let immigrants in? Yes, we ALL should obey the laws of All lands,and why so slow on the 'paper work'? Why not help other countries to build up their infastructure, which would help to create jobs in their countries, and also get in good government leaders?I think we are afraid of loosing what we have bcause we are not living up to our own constitution. Corrupt government, long before Pres. Obama, is part of the reason. Illegal immigrants aren't our problem, ungodly laws are.Satan stirs up the negative; try and find a positive Christlike solution to our country's problems. How about putting all those great minds out there to work and find an amicable solution to and for the heartache of so many desperate people who only want to care for their families. And stop using drugs so the bad guys won't have a market here. love you!

LDS Liberal

LDS Church repeats call for 'civil discourse' on immigration

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Why does the Church need to keep repeating itself?

It would seem some members are choosing to not only just ignore, but to even be Rebelling.


Stay tune,
This should keep getting interesting....

idablu

It is clear to me that the Church is officially neutral on this one. They don't condone or condemn deportation of all illegals. They are simply on the side of "civility." Those of you (liberal or conservative) who are trying to use the church to support your political position are wrong, and the brethren would condemn such behavior. I also think using the B of M or other scriptures to support your position shows piety and self righteousness.

Tightening up our borders is imperative for this country to survive. But deporting ALL illegals I believe is a little extreme.

JER84119

Wow, Hypocrisy and irony prevail.

As a member of the LDS Church, I am routinely appalled by the behavior, conduct, and attitudes of the majority of members of the church along the "Mormon Corridor" Shame on all of us. Shame on those who are hiding behind the language of the 12th Article of Faith (knowing full well that the Church itself has ignored the 'law' - I refer you back to the polygamy era.) Shame on you who ignore the 13th Article of Faith about "doing good to men".

And finally, shame on you for choosing to follow Glenn Beck instead of the called and ordained Apostles of Jesus Christ.

Far to many of my friends and neighbors have sold their birthright of civil liberties and the teaching of Joesph Smith -- "I teach the people correct principles and let them govern themselves" for the pottage of conservative and tea-party lip-service to "moral" and social issues.

Many of us say America is on the wrong track, and I agree. We've been on the wrong track for many years (accelerated after 9/11) of surrendering our own interests for those of the elite and of big business.

snowman

AlexGomez2: When the pioneers came to Utah there was nothing here but a whole lot of nothing and Indians.

Resident

@ LDS Liberal

"LDS Church repeats call for 'civil discourse' on immigration

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Why does the Church need to keep repeating itself?

It would seem some members are choosing to not only just ignore, but to even be Rebelling."


In your opinion, if I choose to support tougher immigration laws, am I a rebel? Is it uncivil for a member of the church to support it? Who is being uncivil?

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