New Jazz big man eager to finally play 'with a great team'
RE: shaybo and Captain L I didn't realize we'd be getting Dragicevic this
year, that will really give us some depth. I really love what the Jazz have
done and how patient they've been to make moves. If we're able to sign a
defensive minded center like Fesenko the sky is the limit. I'd love for this
year to finally beat the Lakers in the playoffs and meet Chicago or Miami in the
finals - I'm dreaming a bit. Win or lose this is a team that is going to
contend next year and fun to watch.
Until Okur gets back the Jazz really need an insurance player at PF/SF. If Millsap gets hurt the Jazz have problems. AK could fill in or Fes
would start and AJ move to PF. However, the probability of both AK and AJ being
out a few games next year is fairly high. Fes can not play PF. I suspect the starting line up will be AJ, Millsap, AK, Bell and DWill.
It is not clear how many minutes Bell will be able to play. That same line up is
probably the closing line up. If Fes gets 15 minutes each game as a
back up C he will come along rapidly. He can do a lot of damage on the second
team. All he has to do is rebound 6-8 and dunk 3 or 4 in 15 minutes while he
defends. Hayward, CJ, and maybe AJ/Millsap/AK at PF can carry the scoring with
DWill/Gaines at PG.
After listening to Jefferson's press conf. I think the team chemistry is going
to improve. Both Jefferson and Hayward appear to be team oriented. Jefferson seemed very straight forward. No canned PR statements. He was pretty
real with thoughtful answers. He addressed his weaknesses. If he can
adjust his game to fit the Sloan flex and if Jerry can run more of the offense
thru the C (he can) Jefferson is going to put up huge numbers. If he can make
adjustments and defend and pass out of double teams the Jazz are going to win a
lot of games. One of the Hoopsworlds types ranked Utah #2 in the
West. Another ranked them about 3rd-4th. I am not ready to go that far (2nd)
yet but things are looking better. Several non Jazz media members
are suggesting the Jazz are going to be very good, probably better than last
year. The Jazz have a lot of adjustments ahead of them but they have
very good team leadership. It may take until Christmas for the team to gel.
In 08-09 he averaged 23 points and 11 rebounds a game so he can play for sure im
excited the Jazz got him because he is and can be an All-Star in this league.
I hope Fes starts until Okur gets healthy because that is what he needs to
develop and if he gets the time he needs to develop that will make the Jazz that
much better in the long run (by the playoffs). I'm wondering what Milsap
is thinking? For a short time there he was probably thinking he was going to be
the starting PF, which he could be if AJ starts at center but if AJ starts at
PF, I wonder what Milsap is thinking. Unless Fes shows that he has worked
on his game and improved, I wonder how much time he will get? His big body and
physical attributes are what we need in the middle, so I hope he develops enough
to demand playing time.
ditto snak pack. is this an indication that he wants to move the salary of AK.
His overbearing, overpaying contract is the only asset the Jazz have that can
make an impact on the the team. I'm not saying that he is not a
valuable member of the team. after all he is the original score book assassin.
but he is a role player on our team. why should we have to pay him so much more
than Dwill, and Jefferson.the role he played on the team could be
taken by Hayward. will be taken by Hayward after he gets his feet under himself.
Bye the way,does anyone know if and when Bell is coming to Salt Lake for a press
Captain,I am inclined to believe that when the season starts,your starting
lineup predictions will be true,but don't be surprised if Bell gets as many or
more minutes at the two than CJ does.We all know from Sloan's history that who
he starts at a particular position doesn't necessarily mean who gets the most
minutes,esp at crunch time. Of course, we both know that this hunch of mine
surely depends on whether Bell's caliber of play resembles the Bell of old.
I don't know Captain L, I just based what I'm thinking on what the Minnesota
sports writer said in the 1280 the Zone interview, that he was not going to be a
center except with the occasional match up exceptions, and with him at five and
Millie at 4 were back to a pretty small lineup that the Lakers would eat for
breakfast. He also said he had no desire to play defense but I really think that
will change now that he's on a contender. As hard as he works on offense I
believe he can on defense if he's motivated. By the way has anyone seen split
stats maybe before and after all star game, I bet their quite a bit better after
the break being back up to speed and in the flow of things.
Shaybo, I don't think so, until Memo returns I think you'll see AJ at center. I
have no problem with Milsap coming off the bench, in fact if Sloan would start
Fes and help him get the minutes he needs to develop, I would be happier. I just
think Sloan will put the best bigs on the floor he can. Again I have no problem
with the idea of Milsap coming off the bench and Fes starting, in fact I love
it. I hope your right.
I think everyone needs to give KOC and the FO a lot of credit(even more than
they've gotten) for pulling off what they have. If you think about it, we were
all posting possibilities that we were hoping the Jazz would sign to help with
the loss that would be created without Boozer in the lineup. I would have loved
a Scola, Amundsen was often mentioned, Harrington, Beasley, Love, Haslem, and
probably several others, a PF in the draft, several centers names were posted
and in the end what did we get, probably the best option we could have hoped
for, AL Jefferson a bonafide 20 / 10 guy that is young and hungry.Add to
that signing Raja Bell, a vet, that is a tough hard nosed defender, good three
point shooter and a leader.GREAT JOB KOC, KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK !!!!!!
By the way Captain L, I am as anxious as anyone to get Tomic who was his
league's MVP over here also, but he is going to have to take somewhere around a
4x cut in pay to come here so the Jazz are going to have to do some fast talking
to get him here. For a "bird in hand" Tadija Dragicevic is ready and willing to
play now, he was sent home from the Jazz summer league team with achilles
tendonitis but is a 6'9" forward who can take it inside or hit threes and runs
the floor very well. In 2008 he put up about the same numbers that made Tomic
MVP in 2009 plus hit 43 percent of his threes. He also was on the Serbian team
that stomped the USA all stars in 2007.
No matter how much the KFez haters won't like it he will be starting at center
Starting line up will not include AJ at center, we did not make the trade to put
him at center and get smaller than we were before. Milsap will come off the
bench and be 6th man of the year.
Re DWillfan : I don't think much of your lineup. First of all, Milsap
can't play the 3,(except in rare occasions) AK needs to be on the floor as much
as possible if he is healthy, CJ is better suited to play the 2, Raja could
start depending on how CJ plays, but he will do what ever is best for the team,
Milsap and AJ will be a dynamic duo and beasts on the boards. Fes in needed and
hopefully he will continue to improve, we need his size,bulk,and altering shots.
Hayward is a rookie and will probably take time to adjust but I think he will
and I look for him to contribute more as the season goes on. I hope Evans makes
the team and works hard to develop a shot, I like his upside.If we can
bring Tomic over next year and add him to this team we can be very good and
challenge anyone.I hope we can bring AK back next year at a reasonable
I'll be surprised if the starting lineup to start the season isn't DWill, CJ,
AK, MIlsap & AJ. I think management thinks of CJ as the 2 of the future for the
Jazz. The Jazz played their best basketball last year when AK was put back in
the starting lineup and CJ only started playing at an acceptable level the last
2 months. CJ should continue to improve, Raja will give Sloan the veteran
leadership and stability he wants for his second unit. Fes needs to improve but
I think he will, Okur is a question mark as to exactly when he will be able to
return and give meaningful minutes. Price will continue to give great effort and
play tough defense. Hopefully, the Jazz keep Evans and help him develop. Hayward
will get better and better as he gets playing time.
If I had to choose who in the NBA to add to the Jazz that fit their style and
their goals...It would be 'Big Al' and the Bellmeister.
it's a great time to be a jazz fan!hey sloan, what do you think of
this lineup?pg — dwillsg — bellsf —
millsappf — ajc — okursubspg —
pricesg — haywardsf — cjpf — ak/evans
(although undersized, evans is a hustler)c — amundson (please make
this happen! he's a hustler much like dwill, millsap, bell and aj. move ak or do
a sign and trade with the russian ostertag-fez)fez...hmmm. sorry,
chubs, nothing personal. this organization has decided to go in a different
direction and there's just no room for slow, lurpy white dudes on this roster.
They could start D-Will, Raja, CJ, Paul & AJThen off the bench could be
Price, Hayward, AK, Memo & Fes. That way you have a good
mix of veteran guys with young guys.
All you people complaining that Miller doesn't expect a championship this season
apparently haven't looked at the roster in Miami.
I'll be interested to see how this move affects Fesenko. I think it'll be great
for him to go up against a big tough dude like Jefferson in practice. Day in and
day out he's going to have to go hard against AJ and vice versa, so with these
two big bodies attacking each other I really think it'll help Fes develop his
game and hopefully a little bit more competitive fire.
If this isn't a dream come true then I am bummed. BUT if Bell passes his
physical and both he and AJ join the JAZZ then I will be the most stoked fan
alive. When I read about Bell being a FA a few months ago, I thought would it
not be great if we could get him back. But, then it passed as I didn't think KOC
had it in him to go after him. But now that is has happened I am totally stoked.
What makes me even more stoked is that Kobe was going after him. Kobe wants to
get all the players that give him fits on the Lakers so he won't have to deal
with them taking him out of his play. Hip Hip HOORAY for the UTAH JAZZ. We are
on the right track. GO FOR IT ALL.
so now we have Bell is it 100% that Wes won't return ? Or somehow is
it still possible ?He's a Sloan kinda player & surely if we were to
sign him that would be the icing on top of the cake ?
I don't mind Miller's statement. AJ will be better next year. Hayward will be
better next year. Okur should be better next year. Add Tomic and add a draft
pick and the Jazz will be better next year. This year they will compete and
improve...Next year they can/should contend...if all goes well.
If you need another shooter to help fill the roster, Brian Scalabine could be
had cheap I feel. He has good solid 25 foot range.A player in
Israel who has been very very successful could be a candidate maybe eventually
to come here, and he is like 6'8 or so and a great shooterUSC David
Brewer agent said officially it is over him coming back to the JazzI
wish Ron the best great guyIt was the right decision
Miller should have guaranteed a championship and said the Jefferson & Bell
signings were just frivolous luxuries for the inevitable juggernaut dynasty,
then trade every draft pick away for the next ten years because they aren't
Wow........Kevin O'Connor has come back to teh Zone!
On the G. Miller statement, even though he was just being realistic, he shouldnt
have said it. You want an owner/manager to set a tone and set the bar to its
highest level and guys will aim for that. Like Ryan with NY Jets.. guys need to
believe that they can win it all or they lose interest - Quick! That being said,
great moves by the front office. AJ is oozing with talent. only unknowns are
whether Hayward will contribute or not. I think the opportunity for 14-18
minutes will be there behind AK. CJ will start and Bell will back him up..
I, apparently in the minority, am glad that the owner is realistic and not
making ridiculuous promises. The West is still tough, and the additions of AJ
and Bell put Utah back in the playoff mix with some upside that they could
perform better than years past- but we will have to wait and see if that truly
transpires.I still see a gaping hole at the SF position. How does
CJ cover for both AK and Bell? What if Bell is the backup, he really can't play
the 3. Hayward is a rookie and even if he is smart and has some skills, he is a
year or two from being a candidate for regular rotation minutes. We really need
1 more signing- Barnes, Amundson, etc. Financially costly if they don't unload
AK by the trade deadline, but could make all the difference in postseason
i was a skeptic at first, but the more i learn about Al the better this all
sounds. add Bell to it all, and this gets better and better!
Big Al is a great acquisition. Williams wants him and Minnesota fans want him
back. We know talent. Jefferson is the meanest, toughest dude in the
NBA..and now he is on our team. Bell can be incredible. Bell is Stockton
and Malone tough. Bell's decision to take the Jazz over the Lakers speaks
volume....He is a excellent addition.
Way 2 go Miller/Family & JAZZ — you always do it right .. GOT TO LUV
YA!!You know that the rest of the NBA is talking about what you just
did..!!2 great acquisitions - Jefferson & Bell — if nothing
else happens during this off-season, the JAZZ will[again] be very
competitive next season & for years to come.Sorry to see Wes go but
Bell will be as good if not better — shooting the 3 ball.Two
last thoughts — 1. don’t be surprised if Miami
DOESN’T come out of the EAST next year.2. Wouldn’t it be
great if Utah/Utes would win the PAC  in football & then they played BYU in
theRose Bowl & BYU kick their BUTTS!!
mike...sell the team to someone who has the vision and backbone to create a
mo williams for the harp trade exemption?
Cleveland wants to dump salary so how about we help them out by trading for Mo
Williams and making things really interesting
Jefferson needs to 1)stay healthy 2) be willing to learn 3) become a good foul
shooter and then keep himself in great physical shape. These are all the
attributes that Karl Malone established and Booozer adopted - for the most part.
Jefferson won't be over powered as Boozer often was and having Jefferson at
power forward and Okur at center with AK on at small forward ought to bring some
good toughness back to the Jazz. Okur has got to get healthy in a hurry for this
to work. I think Jefferson is a better power forward rather than center.
The Miller comment is right on. The Jazz as currently constituted are not a
championship team. I they play they can be in the top 4-5 teams in the league,
but with their current roster that is their ceiling. Until AK's
massive contract comes off the books and Utah can make further additions that is
where I see it. With another 1 or 2 key pieces they could be a championship
team. We have a few players that could develop to fill those rolls nicely, but
I still think we need defensive C like Camby or Wallace in their primes. Fez as
the tools to be that type of player if he just develop the fire.That
being said it will be interesting to see how AK performs during his contract
year. Hayward is going to be a great piece in a few year too. I
like the Bell addition because it give Hayward a little time to develop, and
gives him a veteran player to learn from. If Hayward can pick up some of Bell's
fire he will be a great player.
If I'm pessimistic, I don't like an owner admitting he's expecting 2nd, 3rd, or
... place. Even if he is, he shouldn't say it in public.If I'm
optimistic, I think he's a realist and he knows the Jazz still need something
more to be a championship team. Whether that's AJ and Fes getting some
defensive intensity or AK becoming mentally tough, or a true backup PG for Deron
(Sorry ... I'm not a Ronnie Price fan), the Jazz are close but not there.I'm actually closer to an optimist than a pessimist. If Raja can
stay healthy, I'm more excited now that I would be if Carlos and Kyle were still
here.As I think about a starting lineup of:PG DeronSG
RajaSF AKPF PaulC AJThat's a pretty good starting group.
The bench then includes CJ playing the 2 behind Raja or the 3
behind AKGordon Hayward earning minutes at the 3Fes subbing for
AJThat allows AJ or AK to slide over and play some PF. I'd call
that some pretty good flexibility.Go Jazz. I'm getting excited !!!
Give Greg Miller a break. There are 29 teams in the NBA that probably won't win
a championship next year. The Lakers are the only ones who could legitimately
say they "expect" to win a championship. Miller is just being realistic and
honest. I prefer him over Dan "I'm a Crazy Owner" Gilbert any day. The worst
thing he could do to his franchise was guarantee a championship.
So far this off season is looking very good. If all our players can stay
healthy, we have a REAL chance at taking home the hardware. I love what KOC has
been doing, keep up the good work and you will be the GM of the year, not Pat
Riley. We will know where we stand come trade deadline, if we need to add or
subtract to our current roster. My only concern about Big Al, is the fact that
he has never played a single play off game. He better get used to winning
because he is a UTAH JAZZ NOW!!STARTING TO GET JAZZ FEVER!!!GO JAZZ!!
Miller said the right thing because it is true. The Jazz "probably" will not
win a championship. the same can be said for 28 other teams....or maybe all 30.
The probabilities are pretty staggering.
I also think Greg is being realistic. He can't spend the money that LA is
spending. That means he has to use every $ wisely. The Jazz are
starting to go in a direction that could allow them to beat LA. They are little
taller with AJ but they are much bigger. Boozer was a finesse player He had
great moves but he was not a banger. AJ, Millsap and Fes will go
right at LA. That is hard for LA to defend. Further, AL, Millsap and Fes are big
enough and strong enough to muscle Gasol and even Bynum out of position if they
will do it. The Jazz still lack someone to stop Odom at PF. AJ is to
slow and Millsap is to short. Tomic might do it next year. AK might do it. The Jazz 3 point shooting is getting decent with the addition of Bell. I
am hopeful Hayward will also get good open looks in the flex.That
opens up the middle for AJ. If the new Jazz can get AJ to play
within the flex (Sloan will manage) and get him to play D, they are going to be
@The Big One: A life like yours perhaps?? No Thanks.. I think what Greg said was
just part of the conversation. Gilbert was way on the other side of the neddle.
Standing next to Al it looks like Greg is well over six feet himself. His dad
was a shorty. I wonder if Greg will ever dawn the number 9 this season. I think
Bell will be great. Conditioning will be the nuber one key for everyone. Hire
Malone as the conditioning coach..
If and it's a big IF, the Jazz are consistent in developing Jefferson in his
defense and outside shooting along with his inside passing, we could be very
competitive in the West. If Raja is at or near his best, we could get to the
finals. Fes needs to focus and if he does get some playing time and learns to
defend without using his hands, we could bring home the "Gold". Go Jazz!!!
No one ever talks about the emotional side of players in things like this. It's
all about winning and the business side. I loved reading his comments about
liking to play for a playoff team and a winning team. He was HAPPY. I think
these players do feel the emotions of the game. People think they have the
money so why should they ever feel down. Having your job be where you play for
a losing team can't be fun. I enjoyed reading his comments related to how he
feels. Refreshing for a change. I just got re-excited about the
Big AL is probably the best low post player in the W. He is not fast. He is
better than Ming and I think he is better than Gasol.I am no longer
worried about his efficiency. A high percentage of his jump shots are over 2 or
3 defenders. If he starts passing to the Jazz 3 point shooters
(something he did not have in MN) his efficiency will go up. DWill
will cause his efficiency to go up as Big AL will get the ball at the right time
and place. It is not clear yet how he adjusts to the motion offense.
But by Christmas that should be working for him.The big concern is
getting him to play defense and set picks. He could be good at D at C. He is not
mobile enough to defend some PFs.Utah now has a shot at LA. They can
bang LA out of position. Millsap, AJ and Fes can keep Gasol out of his favorite
spots. They can move Bynum. Odom is still a problem. Millsap and AJ will go
right at the LA bigs. Fes can slam. The inside is brutal.Bell can
I think it is actually encouraging that Greg Miller is realistic about the team
and thinks that this team, as currently constituted, still needs some more work
to be in the running for winning a championship--that shows me that he still
wants to improve the team, rather than "stand pat" with what we already have. I
would have been discouraged, if he would have said "now we have the team to win
a championship," while everyone else can tell we're still not quite there yet.
i'd want Hayward to start...just really hope he'd start...so that he'll get
confident early...and at the end of the season...becomes a big time player...i
think he could be a hedo turkoglo or mike miller type of player...with better
It's not a misquote, but a calculated statement. As you can see, they want to
work quietly. If he guarantees a championship like Gilbert, he puts a target on
the Jazz. And then if they don't win after guaranteeing victory, he looks like a
total dork. By making the team competitive, there's a chance at hardware. Words
don't win or lose championships - actions do. Miller has to allow KOC to
proactively build the team and the players have to perform on the court. Don't
take his quote literally, because I'm confident by their actions they fully
expect the team to win, reach the finals and win it all.
Note to Mr Miller. You are a team and franchise leader. As such, you should not
set such low expectations. Even if you think it is true, you don't say it. Now
the entire team understands that failure is OK.As with any mistake,
I did not care for Miller remark either, however, I like JeffersonOnce we see what he does in time, Miller will get more optimistic and change
his tuneThe Jazz potentially can finish 2-4 in the conference. No
one knows if Ok city will be better I doubt it and I know Denver and Portland
are not better. Maybe we even win this divisionThis guy is way
bigger than Snoozer, look at him...Younger also.The concern only one i Have is when he gets he ball down low, the others keep
moving and wait for cuts to the hole and I would like to see CJ score a lot of
baskets that way, like a mini-Brewer slashing.I am salvanating
wondering how many open 3s CJ can make but he has to have a versed gameYeah, it feels good tonight..
Miller, if were not a championship team, MAKE US ONE!
Did I read that right? Greg Miller said "We're probably not going to win a
championship."As a lifelong Jazz fan, I don't want just a "competitive
team," I want them to bring home the hardware! I hope that was a misquote.
Because after getting Jefferson and Raja, I am even more optimistic than the
team owner, or so it sounds.
Oh, it is sweet to be in Utah this year. Heaps and Apo, watching the
Utes finish out their stint in the MWC as they prepare for the bigger stage,
Jimmer and the BYU basketball squad looking to make some noise, and now the Jazz
looking as if they will be serious.The thing about sports is the
unknown, and the unexpected.It's a great year for Sports in Utah.
Lets hope he means dedicating every thing he has to improving his defense! Overall I am very happy with the last two days. Getting Raja back to
play some tough D and help the younger players know what tenacity really is is
going to be priceless. A few more clothlines on Kobe wouldn't be all that bad
that sounds nice...hope he goes back to his beastly form....ang just dominate
with his post moves....
here he isgetting off of the plane, and just thinking, I can't wait to get to
the hotel, and jump into bed. Then He sees the crowd and realizes that 'hey
they take their basketball serious around here!' Miller doesn't
think they are a championship team, but I definitely think they can be a top
four seed, and when april comes around, and the team gets 82 games to get to
know each other, I think they could have as good a chance an anyone to beat the
Lakers and get to the finals.
Dude, what owner says that we're probably not going to win a championship. Come
on Miller! Even Dan Gilbert (who is off his rocker mind you) is guaranteeing a
championship for his fans...I'm stoked about Jefferson. And the Bellman back.
This is the most excited I've been about being a jazzfan in a few