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Published: Thursday, July 15 2010 12:07 a.m. MDT

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Winglish

It's time to eliminate the per-child tax deduction.

"It demonstrates that Utah has a high level of commitment to education," Bramble said.

No, it does nothing of the sort, Curt. It shows a pathetically low level of commitment to education and a high level of commitment to bedroom activities that produce offspring. That's all.

Rick for Truth

33% of little to miniscule is nothing to be boasting over.

Buster

procuradorfiscal | 6:44 a.m. July 15, 2010
"It'll be interesting to see how the educators' trade union -- the UEA -- spins this into a bad news story."

Utah is a Right to Work State. It is not a Union, but an association. The Association is weak in Utah.
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ezfisher | 8:29 a.m. July 15, 2010
"The problem is not illegals or low spending on education... Smaller class sizes have little effect on learning."

Regarless of your expert analysis, most data shows student success in smaller classroom. And data shows more failing students at schools where the students come from a lower socio-economic background.

Both your assertions fall flat in any valid research you find on the subject.

(Asserting that a minority student is an illegal alien is stereotyping.)

Buster

Spending a third of our budget on our children's educational future is meaningless when we spend last in the nation on per pupil spending. Utah is definately not the poorest state in the nation.

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"Sen. Curtis S. Bramble, R-Provo, chairs the Senate Education Committee and said the recent study is consistent with how he and his colleagues approach education.

"It demonstrates that Utah has a high level of commitment to education," Bramble said."

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No, having per pupil spending last in the Nation shows your commitment to education, a fact that won't be lost on this voter every November until it changes.

If this is consistent with how he and his colleagues approach education, then we need to get rid of the incumbents, every last one of them.

Orem Parent

Spin it how you like Bramble.

Utah could be achieving so much more with only a little bit more funding.

Instead our legislators sit back and say, "see, we are getting more bang for our buck."

We could be leading the nation in all categories for education but we would rather repave another road instead of making our state great.

scambuster

Nicely spun Bramble, but Utah should be number one on the list given the number of students we have and the supposed strong family values. The fact that nine other states outspend Utah and have far fewer students to contend with shows a lack of commitment to education.

scambuster

Percentages can be very misleading. Here is an example. Let us say that the Utah Legislature decided to cut the state budget in half and therefore taxes in half, meaning every program would be cut in half. That would mean Utah would still spend the same percentage towards education but the per pupil funding would be cut in half. Does that sound like a commitment to education? No. The most important number in determining commitment to education is the per pupil funding in which Utah is dead, dead last.

scambuster

This scam is busted: If the entire Utah budget was cut to $10 and the legislature spent $3.36 on education, that would mean Utah would have a percentage of 33.6% of the budget going towards education and I have no doubt that Bramble would still be congratulating himself on a job well done.

cbasiefan

There are too many factors that go into a child's education to blame just one item like spending. You have to look at the child's home life, social-economic status, friends, teachers dedication, teachers stress levels, the school's commitment to each student, how the teacher works with the parent and the student, how well the district spends it's money, the types of programs the district offers, the overall funding the district receives, how much the state is funding education, how professional the state treats educators and so on and so on.

This is a different culture of students we are dealing with. Many of them are not motivated. They expect the world to be handed to them. And when it's not, they give up. You cannot force someone to be motivated and one persons influence can only go so far. If we want to improve education in Utah, we need to start improving the culture of education of Utah from spending to behavior.

Not_Scared

Duh. Utah has more children.

scambuster | 11:21 a.m Good point!

Jash

Utah should move to the voucher system and require proof of legal residency to obtain vouchers.

Let the Fed's pay for the children of illegal aliens. After all, according to the recent law suit states do not have the authority to deal with illegals.

The Rock

Public schools spend thousands per student. In Washington state where I live they spend over $9,000 per child per year. If they have an average class size of 30 then they spend $270,000 per classroom.

I defy anyone to spend that much money on 30 kids wisely.

I homeschooled my children. Homeschooled children test in the 80th to 90th percentile (public schools are at the 50th percentile by definition). You can purchase excellent homeschool curriculum for under $100 (A2 Curriculum). It covers k-12 and everyone in the family can use it. Homeschooling methods are more effective than public school (Read "A Thomas Jefferson Education") and it costs far less.

My point is that spending does not translate to better education, just richer school administrators and more powerful teachers unions.

Joe Joe

Democratic soultion to education funding - Raise taxes by 90% than give all that money to the teachers.

I'm not sure it will make the teachers teach any better but at tleast they will be happy because Utah spends the same per student as the top state. Which by the way does not make the that state the top in quality of education.

utah guy

@Joe Joe

"...Utah spends the same per student as the top state. Which by the way does not make the that state the top in quality of education."

What?

UtahHAL

The public education figures included in this report contain higher education among other expenditures. If you separate the numbers, elementary and secondary education are at a lower percentage than they were in the 1990's, and is also below the 2008 US average. Utah’s policy makers need to fund elementary and secondary public education at levels that meet the needs of Utah’s children.

A fair funding system:

Can reduce class sizes to a level that allows deeper assessment and assistance to students

Is key to better teacher quality by improving salaries and working conditions

Can pay for more targeted specialists (math, writing, etc)

The revenues invested in elementary and secondary public education are an investment in our children’s and our states future.

the truth


THESE lists are irrelevant,

THESE comparisons are irrelvant,


the only relevant thing is finding what is the actual exact cost per pulil for education.


PLease enough with silly lists.

LIsts only enocourage more spending and more taxation,

and DOES NOT focus on waht is of real importance,

WHAT is the actual proper amount to spend?

WHAT is the exact dollar figure does take to educate one student?

RSL1

We have lots of kids (nontaxpayers) and not very many adults (taxpayers). We are always going to spend less than states where that is the opposite. I work in education and I always wish I had more to spend. However, I understand the economics. I am proud of our state as a whole on how we spend our taxpayer money. We have to pay for roads, police, fire, education, government administration, etc. Yet, unlike the federal government we balance our budget and our leaving our grandchildren with the opportunity to have the same quality of living. The federal government and many states are an embarrassment with the way they spend money.

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