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Published: Thursday, July 15 2010 12:07 a.m. MDT

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Oilcan

Utah ranks #1 in Education Efficiency, which is a measure of 'bang for the buck'.

Lance.LeVar

As mentioned, Utah has higher family sizes. When a family chooses to have more children, a larger portion of that family's income should go to the care of their children (unless they just start bringing in more money).

The fact that we spend a larger portion of our budget on education is a non-issue. We, as a state, have chosen to have large families. We now bear the responsibility to fund their education at the cost of other areas of the budget.

pharmacist

Just a thought, Utah is considered easy on illegals, and we are educating their children. Perhaps we need to change laws that require proof of citizenship of ALL children going to school in this state. Then our taxes can help our children, not the illegals.

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RE Lance.LeVar

So how much do you propose? And what would you cut first to fund education? Is there an area of the budget we are spending too much money on that could be better spent in education?

A solution has been propose(and shot down by state educators) to allow the use of education vouchers. It seems like there is only ONE solution in the minds of the education establishment and that is more money.

So either we tax larger families more (which seems like a bad idea) or we rob from one part of the state budget to give education more.

Oilcan

True, this is about demographics more than anything else.

It is our culture to have large families. And, it is our culture to have the man work while the woman stays at home. So there is only one income for as many as five or six kids, while in other states there may be two income earners for one or two kids.

It's our own fault. We demand large families and only one parent to work.

satch

Regardless of how Bramble spins it. Utah still only ranks 41st in % of money per $1000 that goes toward education and dead last in spending again.

It would have to spend 20% more just to tie for last. NO Mr. Bramble, Utah is not committed to children or education. SPIN THAT?

Until Utah's legislators and population get fed up nothing will change.

abr2116

If you think that it is 'our culture' to have the man work and the woman stay home with the family you are a still living in the 80s. In my Utah neighborhood-100% LDS- in small town Utah, there are ZERO stay at home moms on the street (17 homes). The stay at home mom is an antiquated notion even in Utah!

Why is it a bad idea to ask those with big families to pay more? Those who choose to have big families, it is a choice after all, should be expected to provide for their children. Someone has to pay for educating your children, why not you? Consequences for actions encourages responsible behavior.

Joe Moe

@abr2116 9:39

Regarding "stay-at-home moms" being an antiquated idea, might I toss in: your perspective is equally skewed, just on the other end of reality. I come from a family of four boys, and three have wives that do not work. The one that does have a job started working because her husband lost his job and is still searching, but she didn't before. We are firmly in the lower-middle class, too...by no means rich. We feel fortunate to be able to do this, and understand that many can't, and some don't want to if they could. Although, now that I'm on that soapbox, I'm sure more could if they could stand to have less house, less car, less cell phone packages, etc., etc., and -- interestingly -- maybe less children?

Oatmeal

Utahans choose to produce large families and then not pay to educate their children. THAT is the problem.

therev

Proves again, figures lie and liers figure...

My2Cents

This report only proves how inaccurate that per pupil spending is calculated by educators. Perhaps these organizations should get together and all use the same information and methods of calculating education funds. Perhaps in might even reveal how much of Utah's education funds are diverted to developers and UTA in non education spending.

Utah families size is not as important as how education funds are spent. Tens of millions of dollars of these funds are used outside of education and called long term investment spending. Since when are education funds and investment fund?

Then also there is the 20% of students who are illegal who don't pay taxes at all yet expect that schools also be day care centers for their unwanted children.

One other statistic that this report failed to reveal is population to tax ratio for education. Many of the other states ahead of Utah has more than twice the population of Utah and the tax burden is lower. Only 53% of Utahan's, a figure established by tax departments, pay taxes so the burden is high on working citizens.

fairfield

For my money, being tenth in anything to do with education is not good -- we should be number one. And we are #51 our of 51.

This has been true for a long time, but our standing on the performance side -- which was once very strong -- is starting to slide. We are no longer ranked highly in numbers of high school graduates, college attendance, test performance, and several other areas.

That's simply not acceptable. Utah was number one years ago, and now it's fallen. The Republican leadership, Bramble and others, are okay with that because their objective is to see a hue and cry about this issue and then solve it with a voucher system which will complete destroy educational standards for the non-elite, but the elite will get what they want -- better education for their own children at the expense of the greater public.

The answer is a whole new legislature. Vote the scoundrels (Bramble et al) out!

The Big One

6000 bucks per kid and this is all we get, the system is broken.

raybies

@pharmacist: the stupidest thing we could do as a country is stop educating the children of illegal immigrants. do you honestly want them roaming the streets, truant, during the hours in which these kids could be learning how to better be a part of the mainstream? Why not force them all into gangs now?

I'm curious how these numbers pan out "per child spending" rather than as a percentage of state budget. I think Utah has different priorities than other states, and thus it should reflect upon the state's spending priorities. We simply can't have to as high a degree as others the same number of other state-run entitlements and services, due to the family orientation of this state. (And that's cool with me.)

procuradorfiscal

It'll be interesting to see how the educators' trade union -- the UEA -- spins this into a bad news story.

blue dot!

We don't invest enough into our greatest resource; the kids.

There are plenty of people who tell others not to have more kids if they can't afford them. As a state we produce more kids than we can properly afford to educate.

Spin the stats how you want. We spend less to educate each kid than any other state by far. Educational efficiency can only do so much to try to bridge the gap.

utah guy

@pharmacist

My wife is teacher in an elementary school that has over 1,100 students and the overwhelming (over 95%) majority of students appear to be from legal families. It is large families who value their boats and vacations over their children's education.

Reason

It's interesting that Bramble and his pals in the Senate and house can talk about their commitment to education. Over the past 12 years they have amended the constitution to allow the education fund to be diverted to other programs. Then, to gain more votes (and to pay back their corporate sponsors)changed the tax structure to give big business and the rich tax breaks. And to top it off they altered the income tax structure to reduce even more funding to education. Sound to me like they have systematically set public education up for failure so that they can push through vouchers to save us from our failing education system.

open minded

Here's some spin for you people that hate public ed.
1. 10 years ago education was above 40% of Utah's budget now, according to this article, it is only 33%. That is a serious drop in percentage of spending for education.
2. Utah has one of the leanest state budgets in the nation. Our conservative legislature hates government spending and so even though they may rank 10th in percentage of budget for education, the overall budget is crazy low already- hence the $5,765 per pupil spending.
3. Utah ranks in the top 5 for child to adult ratio. Utah's budget should have a huge percentage of its budget going to children (education). So the percentage data is meaningless here.
4. Utah's test score ratings have been dropping over the last decade. Clearly the lack of funding in education is affecting that.
5. Utah has the largest class sizes in the nation- by a lot. Again a lack of spending.
6. Utah parents have lots of kids but don't want to pay the taxes to educate them.

Utah wants a champagne education on a beer budget- cheap champagne is nasty stuff.

ezfisher

The problem is not illegals or low spending on education. We seem to enjoy blaming someone else or some outside influence for our problems. Certainly more money would be nice, but what are we doing now with what we have? Smaller class sizes have little effect on learning. The greatest effect on whether your child learns is what you do. If you do not take an interest in your child's learning, it doesn't matter what the state does.
For those blaming the illegals, my wife teaches in an elementary school which is predominantly minority children. Some probably undocumented. The majority of the minority children are eager to learn and do well. Many of the white kids make little effort, and waste their time at school. The difference is that the parents of the hispanic kids want their children to learn and actively participate at home. The parents of the white kids are too high to help or simply do not care. Taking color and legal status out of the equation, who would you be more inclined to help get an education?

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