Herbert calls for investigation into list of 1,300 identified as illegal immigrants

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  • justice4children Mapleton, UT
    Dec. 27, 2010 9:08 a.m.

    Is it so long ago that "all" of you have forgotten the days of "burning witches at the stake"? Is this what "some" of you are suggesting?

    I find "many" wonderful people commenting here w/ re to the "right" way to live. And, that's actually what this is all about.

    On Christmas day, my husband and I watched 2 very old movies which, today, are still some of the best..."Ben Hur" and "The King of Kings". Yes, they were not 'completely' factual, but, nevertheless, they depicted a time when Jesus lived and how he was persecuted unrighteously, even by his own people.

    What has happened to the descendants of "all" of those people, Romans, Jews, etc. to have brought us to the unbelievable state of mind of some today?

    I have experienced hundreds of people in my own neighborhood, give, provide and serve w/o any expectations in return! Does this not exist anywhere else? Does God's law literally "stop" around the corner or across the street?

    PEOPLE...wake up & smell the roses! Life is all too short to be so horribly negative. Look in the mirror...is "that" perfection?

  • kiapolo
    July 23, 2010 8:25 p.m.

    And just where is someone's right being violated by an unlawful search? Because someone published a list, that someone may or may not have gotten illegally, the illegal aliens rights are protected and they can stay in this country?... I think not... Prosecute the person that stole the list if that's what you want, but if there is an accusation that an agency was protecting known illegals, an investigation is warranted... and if it turns out that illegals are on the list, they should be deported... there is no constitutional protection here... go back to law school.

  • UtahBlueDevil
    July 18, 2010 6:53 a.m.

    kiaplo, thanks, but I am actually a bleeding heart conservative....

    Here is the part I get that you don't get. The Fifth and Fourteenth amendments of the constitution protect people against unlawful search and seizure of personal property and the right to due process - and these laws apply to citizen and non-citizen alike.

    It may very well be true many of these people are illegal, but it is equally true that regardless the laws of due process and privacy apply to them. The search and release of what one would reasonable consider to be private information is a breach of law, regardless of the intent.

  • Dodge
    July 18, 2010 4:52 a.m.

    Every state has the right to protect its own borders. That means illegal aliens coming across.

  • nvrbl
    July 17, 2010 3:23 p.m.

    Since there are people on the list that are NOT here illegally, I assume all of you that think this list is not a problem are willing to post here: Your name, age, address, social security #, phone #, the names and ages of your children, what school they attend, your place of employment (address and phone #) . If you or your wife are pregnant, be sure to include the due date for the baby. I'm sure all of you upstanding citizens are eager to have all this personal information out there.

  • kiapolo
    July 16, 2010 9:02 p.m.

    To all you Bleeding Heart liberals...

    What part of 'Illegal Alien', or in your terms 'Undocumented Immigrant' don't you understand. I'd really appreciate a serious answer... I just don't get it...

  • Brian H.
    July 16, 2010 12:14 p.m.

    Can't let this one slide...

    @ wrz, from July 14: "Let's put it this way... If you saw a guy with a handkerchief over his face with a gun in his hand going into a bank, would you feel obliged to call 911? Or, should you just assume the guy is just trying to be funny?"

    That seems to be a pretty exact description of a bank robber. Do you have similarly precise and failsafe ways of identifying illegal immigrants? What criteria are you using, because I would love to see your list.

    Let me remind you that you posted this in response to someone's comment about Hispanic last names being on the list. Are you suggesting that having a Hispanic last name is probable cause for arrest, or that I should report all my Hispanic neighbors? Your friends on the message board are all saying it's about race. Maybe you should tell them you feel otherwise.

  • sunnymorsap
    July 16, 2010 12:04 p.m.

    I can't believe how many people say they believe in upholding the law and actually support these lawbreakers that formed this list. Seriously? Talk about hypocrits.

  • nanniehu
    July 16, 2010 8:48 a.m.

    I think the point of this article, if you look closely, is that the list only includes Hispanics. That does smack of racism and bigotry. I have very strong feelings regarding people who aren't here legally using government services and so on. On the other hand, instead of witch hunts, we need to work to enforce or reinforce the laws we have to stem the tide of illegals in our country. We also need Hispanic leaders to step up to the plate and encourage their people to go through the legal process to be here.
    I do find it interesting that this is the only group targeted on the list, and yet Utah is a state full of people from every continent in the world. Lets be very careful when we paint all illegals with the same stripe.

  • UtahBlueDevil
    July 16, 2010 6:45 a.m.

    Blanco.... it was the employers responsibility to not hire them if he knew they were not legal. That is the law. If the employer turns a blind eye, then there really isn't much you can do.

    The funny thing is that many of the residents of Utah had their families come over when there were no quotas or barriers to coming in to the country. For just under 150 years, the US put no limits on who could enter. It wasn't until 1921 under the Johnson Quota Act that limits were set. That law has been modified several times since. But its goal at the time was to limit the number of Jews and Eastern Europeans fleeing europe post WWI from coming here.

    So proud claims of "my family came over legally" really don't mean too much when everyone who showed up got to come in. The laws of 1921 and 1924 were an attempt to preserve the ethnic makeup of the country, and it seems little has changed in the 90 years since their enactment.

    If any laws went against the framers initial intent, those acts surely are great candidates.

  • PPpatriot
    July 16, 2010 12:21 a.m.

    The Hispanic citizens of the Hispanic silent majority are finally finding the courage to stand up to the PC, pro illegal crowd. Preferring to teach their children, to respect the rule of law and it's not ok to illegally break into a sovereign nation and steal someone else's identity in order to work here illegally.

    The Hispanic silent majority is beginning to see these, illegal invaders, drug gangs and human traffickers are giving then a bad name and are NOT THEIR FRIENDS!

  • Still Jim
    July 15, 2010 6:11 p.m.

    It would appear from the list that the only illegals are those from Latin America. Too bad the cowards who made up the list aren't after people like Hugo Chavez who would destroy America but has a visa to get into the country. People spying like this is not what made this country great. These people are sick and should be made to understand that actions of this type are not permitted. What they have done is little more than ID theft and they should be prosecuted for such. This can be very damaging to a person. People who participate in such things should really be made to understand that what they are doing is wrong. What has occurred is just another instance of a hate group in a dubious action. This conduct, by the way, has been encouraged by several of our state legislators.

  • cerana
    July 15, 2010 4:27 p.m.

    positiverealist, you are misguided. Paying illegals $3 per day per your word is not right nor fair. Allowing them to work for peanut create sub classes and spread poverty in the US. It is encouraging slavery which we got rid for many many years. No, I don't hate immigration. What I hate is illegal immigration and favoring one ethnic group from another.

  • Blanco
    July 15, 2010 3:43 p.m.

    The place my father used to work had illegals using sharing a social security numbers. He claimed the employer contacted DWS, but they didn't care.

    If DWS doesn't notice if someone's social security number is being used multiple times it's intentional. They track every job a person has every had.

    The state should do an audit on their state records to see how many people are using the same social. That would sure cut back on identity theft, which they appear to do nothing about.

  • positiverealist
    July 15, 2010 3:12 p.m.

    "unlawful Presence" in the US is a Federal Civil infraction not criminal. If they are caught crossing the border it is only a federal criminal class B misdemeanor. True they should not be here but why do we have to much hate for these people? They come from making $3 per day to 20 times that here in the US when they work for min and they are grateful. Most of the time there is no legal line they can ever get into so we need to be reasonable. If this indeed came from a State Employee this is a felony offence much more than a class B misdemenaor. We need reasonable immigration reform. People that say we don't want to hurt them we just want to deport them don't understand in many cases this is issuing these people almost a death sentance. Deportation does harm, it separates families and causes great trauma. ICE should concentrate on criminals first. I am not pro-illegal immigration but we need to be reasonable. This hateful attitude will only hurt our great nation. The US keeps paying them so they keep coming.

  • Chris B
    July 15, 2010 2:21 p.m.

    WHY is the govt so slow to find out who leaked this report yet so slow to get the criminals on this list?

    Priorities people, let's get the real criminals first.

  • Andersonsue
    July 15, 2010 2:06 p.m.

    Big brother is watching us all.

  • defibman
    July 15, 2010 12:42 p.m.

    @ PAC "Why would someone do this to people? What a shame!"

    I agree with you....Why would someone "invade" another country and steal from it's citizens and fiscally break that country.

    We all are citizens of a country with laws and no matter how much we may want to go somewhere else, we have to obey THEIR laws or suffer their consequences. We are a very generous nation that has give Trillions of $$ to others over the past 200 years, not to even mention the number of lives to try to help other countries and the world.

    Why then would anybody allow 13,000,000 people to come and rob that nation and break it.

  • patriot
    July 15, 2010 12:03 p.m.

    How dare we circulate a list of law breakers! I mean the audacity of some who think they can help law enforcement!! What's next - deporting illegals??

  • Ajax
    July 15, 2010 9:21 a.m.

    Have the perpetrators and sympathizers of the gathering and dissemination of confidential information any idea of how closely what they are doing parallels the oppressive events ushering in the regime of World War II Germany?

    But then again maybe they do. The strident advocacy of a systematic identification and purging of undesirables that is witnessed in the opinion sections of our State newspapers could easily pass for the rantings of supremacist groups. And if members of these groups are not already here and active in stoking the fires of racism, I would assume that they soon will be packing for the politically fertile fields of Deseret.

    I invite all Utahns of good will to stand together in publicly denouncing all vigilante efforts at harming Utah's Hispanic community of legal and illegal residents.

    Hopefully this despicable act will bring Utahns to their senses on the consequences of reason-challenged political excess and mistaken loyalties.

  • Ajax
    July 15, 2010 9:10 a.m.

    Have the perpetrators and sympathizers of the gathering and dissemination of confidential information any idea of how closely what they are doing parallels the oppressive events ushering in the regime of World War II Germany?

    But then again maybe they do. The strident advocacy of a systematic identification and purging of undesirables that is witnessed in the opinion sections of our State newspapers could easily pass for the rantings of Nazi style supremacist groups. And if members of these groups are not already here and active in stoking the fires of racism, I would assume that they soon will be packing for the politically fertile fields of Deseret.

    I invite all Utahns of good will to stand together in publicly denouncing all vigilante efforts at harming Utah's Hispanic community of legal and illegal residents.

    Hopefully this despicable act will bring Utahns to their senses on the consequences of reason-challenged political excess and mistaken loyalties.

  • one vote
    July 15, 2010 8:36 a.m.

    The promotors of the list should start a militia and wear brown shirts. Maybe they can round up people that commit a crime by not paying income taxes and create suspect lists for that.

  • UtahBlueDevil
    July 15, 2010 8:08 a.m.

    WRZ - half of your stations are spanish.... wow... what service are you paying for where that is the case? I also get tons of shopping channels I don't watch either, nor any of the "lifestyle" channels. This is horrible.... by all means, deport all foreigners then.

    2Cents - I think deporting illegals or prosecuting those that brake the law isn't the issue being debated here. What has people worried is when we have a state where neighbors start turning on neighbors. What next, webcams watching our neighbors houses trying to catch them in illegal activities? Do we carry camcorders around and record each other driving, and post the videos? We learned from the last presidential elections that you have to be extremely careful who you went to college with, because that surely is an indication of your moral fibre. Where does it stop?

    No one is saying that if you come across a serious crime, you shouldn't report it. What we are saying is the idea of neighbor spying on neighbor, even resorting to illegal means, is something that is a little troublesome.

    Do you want someone following you around documenting what you do?

  • Baccus0902
    July 15, 2010 7:48 a.m.

    Another sad for Utah when a group of citizens start acting like communists in the Old Soviet Union, China, North Korea.

  • My2Cents
    July 15, 2010 6:38 a.m.

    The question is: Are they illegal foreign nationals and are they using stolen identities? It seems the list is accurate as nobody has come forward and proclaimed themselves as a legal immigrant. Not even Tony Yapis or the Governor can do that, yet they are condoning use of stolen identities. That is what this list is about and why all the names and SSN's should be revealed. Is my SSN on the list? I'd like to know so I can take action against the state for condoning and knowing I have been compromised illegally.

  • wrz
    July 15, 2010 1:33 a.m.

    I only have one problem with illegal immigration. Half of my TV channels are in Spanish. I have to pay for them even though I can't use them because I don't hablar Espanol.

  • Christy
    July 14, 2010 9:50 p.m.

    I am late to the game. And no way am I going to read all the bone-headed, pro-nazi tactic comments. But hey, congrats Utah. You've made the national news big time. And in a real ugly way.

    Utahns, and fellow Americans, who are offended and disgusted with the actions of the 'anonymous' gestapo better step up, in a big way, and denounce this. Loudly.

  • Jonnux
    July 14, 2010 8:24 p.m.

    I only have two problems with illegal immigration.

    1) We have a bunch of unregistered people running around who are off the grid, thus making it harder to track them down if they do anything illegal.

    2) It's unfair to those who go through the proper channels to become a citizen.

    Obviously there's more negative sides to it such as drug trafficking, stolen SS#'s etc, but I think those are the two big ones.

  • wrz
    July 14, 2010 7:39 p.m.

    @CB 3:02 p.m. posted, "If I found my name of that list and I had a legal right to be in this country or was a citizen, I would be more than happy to take my papers, birth certificate, whatever and show it to the authorities."

    Excellent point, CB. I would also be tickled pint to be able to take my papers to authorities to prove my citizenship. It's those who are illegal and those who are either sympathizers of illegal conduct or relatives of those who are committing illegal conduct who rail against the list.

    It's like Jesse James' mother who defended him and his illegal conduct to the death.

  • Rod in Michigan
    July 14, 2010 7:15 p.m.

    Striker, I was born in Salt Lake City, Utah in the LDS Hospital. So I'm as you so call AMERICANS would say AMERICAN. My Grandfather was a legal Imegrant from Germany who somehow manage to get out of Germany just as the Hitler and The Nazis were taking power there. My other grandfather Parents immigrated to Utah from Sweden in the 1800's after joining the LDS Church, One of my Grandmothers was of English decent, while the Other was a American Indian. If the Mexicans are coming into Utah, why don't you move to Mexico, I doubt you are 100% American.
    Utah and Arizona are getting Gestapo like and Don't blame it on Obama, if you want to blame anybody Look at yourself first

  • Striker
    July 14, 2010 6:56 p.m.

    Sorry Rod, but there is such a thing as 100% American. This is our country. If you're born in it legally, you are American. It doesn't mean you aren't Swedish or Irish, but we are Americans, so we are Americans.

    By the way people, if you are here illegally, you should be scared, because you are guilty. Why be scared if you're not guilty? We need to control immigration and if people CHOOSE to hide and not do it properly, they need to leave and leave by using their own countries taxes, not ours.

  • Rod in Michigan
    July 14, 2010 6:39 p.m.

    How come on, Utah. Most the People in Utah are not 100% Americans. Only way you could be, is are are an American Indian. Your ancestors came over from Europe, Asia, or Africa, maybe even Mexico. I hope Utah does not follow Arizona. That state has become a laughing stock because of trier Racists attitudes. Good Idea, Utah and Arizona should secede from the United States and form their own countries.

  • county mom
    July 14, 2010 6:30 p.m.

    It is amazing how you all think each other is a member of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints. There seem to be so many angry people here because so many are suspicious and have been used, like myself. Please pay this ladys phone bill, this families water bill, provide meals for these people, etc. WE don't mind helping others,we do what we can, but no one wants to be used! Those who are here illegally very seldom help too(not saying they never help). If they become citizens they become part of the ENTIRE community, they become engaged in the community and interested in the direction of OUR COUNTRY.

  • mammalou
    July 14, 2010 6:16 p.m.

    Pagan | 3:52 p.m. July 14, 2010

    You are out of touch.....to clrify

    What I find funny is that he is reminding you that depending on which side of the issue you choose to be on determines if certain behaviors are correct.

    Your past statment: "Mormons single-handedly passed Prop 8! Make a list of donors who LEGALLY gave to the pro-Prop 8 fight and make it public! Off with their heads!"

    Pagan now: "A list of people here ILLEGALLY? You can't make a list! That's wrong!"
    ws,

    And yes, my status is legal - born here, non-lawbreaking citizen, tired of getting up every morning at 4am to support those who choose to break laws.

  • A Guy With A Brain
    July 14, 2010 6:01 p.m.

    For: Pagan | 11:26 a.m. July 14, 2010

    Pagan, my friend, you're thinking and deductive reasoning, as shown in your 11:26AM post, is so messed up you couldn't logically argue your way out of a wet paper sack.

    Go read your original post; the one I was replying to in my 10:59 post.

    1st, You are the one who sidestepped the issue by arguing that illegal aliens using a deceased person's SSN was no big deal.

    2nd, my use of the term "amigo" was not in reference to my belief that you are an illegal alien. You likely are not. It was simply my use of term I use all the time. What can I say?, I was raised in Arizona.

    Last, you insulted me and insisted I was only vocal in my protest of the current immigration mess only because I post in anonymity.

    Not true, bub.

    My name is Dan Maloy and I live in Enid, OK, about 70 miles north of Oklahoma City.

    That's who I am and where I live.

    What I have said, I have said, and fear no one because of it.

    Now, coward, remove YOUR cloak.

  • SLars
    July 14, 2010 5:59 p.m.

    Citizens have the right to report illegal activity and not be called Nazi's.

    I found that highly insensitive when Chief Burbank called people that name for wanting our immigration laws enforced, and I find it offensive now.

    Grow up people, they are breaking the law coming here illegally, and they have been reported. Government encourages cooperation with law enforcement.

  • nehimomma
    July 14, 2010 5:56 p.m.

    please remember as well..that our government is not actually going to allow most of these people to be approved for a green card....it is very expensive for their per capita income...& because they are not as educated as we deem necessary...most of them actually if they went through the process & actually had the money to do it...would still never be granted a green card.

    So I realize that in theory it's logical to assume that they are just coming here illegally because they are lazy or because it's "easier"...but in reality...our own government doesn't want them here. They'd much rather have the Canadian businessman or the Japanese engineer come over. But the Mexican who is never going to hold down a lucrative job that we find "worthy" is not "worth" giving a green card to.

    And for as much...as it's nice to live in the land of denial, much of this country, also deems them "unworthy" to live here as well. Many here don't want uneducated or less educated Hispanics living here.

    People have worth...no matter there education.

  • Moderation In All Things
    July 14, 2010 5:53 p.m.

    The best thing about the emergence of this horrible SS-esque list is that it appears to have alerted many otherwise passive people to the frightful and hateful tactics of the anti-immigration movement.

  • Jim Marshall
    July 14, 2010 5:51 p.m.

    This is so wrong. Do you people not see the dangers of this mentality throughout history. Is this really that different from hitler and the jews, or ethnic cleansing in africa?

    Don't give me the "they should come legally" argument. Your very own ancestors came here illegally just a couple hundred years ago. The only ones that even have a right to say anything is the native americans, and they would sooner tell you intolerant, arrogant bigots to get out before these humble hard working people.

  • lovernotafighter
    July 14, 2010 5:29 p.m.

    Whatever Utah gov or ICE does, please do not deport that "recent graduate from an area high school."

  • DaleC
    July 14, 2010 5:15 p.m.

    The legal people on the list should sue these people. Any lawyers out there?

  • bradleyc
    July 14, 2010 5:06 p.m.

    I could be illegal??

  • LDS Liberal
    July 14, 2010 4:58 p.m.

    I wonder when the Conservatives will begin having their children rat in their parents.

  • Riodan
    July 14, 2010 4:55 p.m.

    Why can't we help these people get the proper documentation? The costs involved with deportation is roughly 2500 per person; coupled with the increased cost to agriculture that will get passed along to consumers. This deportation campaign could cost more than any of the war costs of the last 10 years.

    This is a misdemeanor and should be treated as such, a fine and an opportunity to get legal paperwork should be enough. Instead of a billion dollar wall to keep people out how about a computer check, fingerprint, and photo shoot at the boarder.

    These folks have jobs and are here for the same reasons all of our relatives came here, for a better life.

  • CWEB
    July 14, 2010 4:47 p.m.

    These people are C O W A R D S.

    They need to be found out and taken to court for doing this. Especially if they took illegal information. I'm fed up.

  • Scooter
    July 14, 2010 4:47 p.m.

    A question ... Why do we keep a list of sexual preditors for the police & on the internet for the public, but not for burglers, muggers, car thiefs & the like?

    If you answer that its because they have committed crimes against the innocent, are not the ones that have had their identities stolen innocent?

    This list is nothing, until it is proven valid or invalid. Just because a few names on the list are wrong, does not mean that they are all wrong.

    If this was obtained from public records, that is wrong & the person(s) should be held accountable, but if it was obtained by private means, then use it, just as you would if the information was about a preditor/burgler/thief ... you get the idea.

    Also, don't forget, it is only racist if you're 'white'!

  • Riodan
    July 14, 2010 4:35 p.m.

    Why can't we help these people get the proper documentation? The costs involved with deportation is roughly 2500 per person; coupled with the increased cost to agriculture that will get passed along to consumers. This deportation campaign could cost more than any of the war costs of the last 10 years.

    This is a misdemeanor and should be treated as such, a fine and an opportunity to get legal paperwork should be enough. Instead of a billion dollar wall to keep people out how about a computer check, fingerprint, and photo shoot at the boarder.

    These folks have jobs and are here for the same reasons all of our relatives came here, for a better life.

  • Riodan
    July 14, 2010 4:24 p.m.

    You know, a simple solution is to help these people who came here for a better life to become citizens.

    Calling these people whom have jobs and do work that the rest of us find to hard for what it pays, "leaches" is a little harsh.
    When the great folks in Arizona have to start paying min-wage and health insurance for the folks they will have to have come maintain their yards and the rest of us are paying 12 dollars for a head of lettuce maybe we will rethink this issue.

    Now throw in the 2500$ it costs to deport 1 person by the number everyone is calling for, is it not cheaper to help them get the proper documentation?

    Do we feel so powerful that we need to hurt families for looking for the same dreams that brought our relatives here?

    Fine them and help them get the papers that make it ok. Is 1000$ enough of a fine for this misdemeanor? Then we can move onto the next great ethnic war we all seem to love. which group is next? Icelanders?

  • FargoUT
    July 14, 2010 4:22 p.m.

    Some numbers to consider (from the Center for Immigration Studies):

    Immigration has been growing steadily since 1995 (and probably before that too).

    The majority of the fiscal net loss stems from legal children's services with illegal immigrant parents.

    The primary gap in this fiscal loss is the result of low skilled illegal workers. This poses several problems, none of which are easy to fix. Granting amnesty will actually result in an increase in net loss, as services not available to illegal immigrants will be open to them. The lack of education is the primary reason for this disparity.

    Finally, some personal observations: those who condemn illegal immigrants for economic reasons had better also be condemning the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, both of which combined equate to over $1 trillion. Illegal immigrants' net effect on our economy comes nowhere close to that number.

    Numbers are just numbers, and we forget there are real people's lives and livelihoods at stake. Since illegal immigration is nothing new, but our economic downturn is, the correlation doesn't seem to exist.

  • Riodan
    July 14, 2010 4:19 p.m.

    You know, a simple solution is to help these people who came here for a better life to become citizens.

    Calling these people whom have jobs and do work that the rest of us find to hard for what it pays, "leaches" is a little harsh.
    When the great folks in Arizona have to start paying min-wage and health insurance for the folks they will have to have come maintain their yards and the rest of us are paying 12 dollars for a head of lettuce maybe we will rethink this issue.

    Now throw in the 2500$ it costs to deport 1 person by the number everyone is calling for, is it not cheaper to help them get the proper documentation?

    Do we feel so powerful that we need to hurt families for looking for the same dreams that brought our relatives here?

    Fine them and help them get the papers that make it ok. Is 1000$ enough of a fine for this misdemeanor? Then we can move onto the next great ethnic war we all seem to love. which group is next? Icelanders?

  • Pagan
    July 14, 2010 4:07 p.m.

    raybies | 11:35 a.m. July 14, 2010
    fwiw, I find both the gay-politico action and this recent illegal-immigration list equally reprehensible behavior, and I'm saddened that those on any side of an argument can't find a way to resolve their troubles in some other way other than what appears to be public threats.'

    ‘Tense relations lead to violent threat in FLDS communities
    ‘ - By Emiley Morgan Deseret News — 07/14/10

    Line:
    ‘…by frustrated Trust Advisory Board member Seth Cooke. In the recording, he tells a law enforcement officer that if a plowing issue on Berry Knoll wasn't resolved, he would "go get my .270 and come out here and start shooting people."
    (Sic)
    The filing also asserts that the local government has refused to provide Cooke's brother, Ron – a disabled former FLDS member who was leased a home by Wisan – with basic utilities.’


    So, raybies does the 'gay-politico' movement control a Turst Advisory board?

    Wow.

    We ARE everywhere! :)

    Maybe you can also lie and say all homosexuals are illegal immigrants and submit that list, anamously of course, to the state.

    Booga Booga.

  • Screwdriver
    July 14, 2010 4:04 p.m.

    Conservatives equate taxes to stealing. Lets see how many of them are cheating on thier taxes. 100% IRS audits should do it. Let's see who needs to go to jail and is unworthy of being an american.

    Cheating on taxes is a felony no? I bet there would be hardly any republicans with voting rights left after 100% audits.

  • DN Subscriber
    July 14, 2010 4:00 p.m.

    What is wrong with providing information on people who are believed to be breaking the law?

    We are encouraged to turn in drug dealers.
    We are told to report suspicious people in your area.
    No one would complain if someone reported a burglary in progress.

    We have a burglary in progress, with millions of people breaking the law and we should be reporting them so the law can be enforced.

    This is not racist or anti-Hispanic, just anti-illegal. Wait in line, get a visa and you will be welcome.

    Break into our country and you are not welcome.

    Indeed, the state government should be creating lists like this from their database and cracking down on people breaking the law.

    If the state or feds do not want to enforce the laws, please let me know and I will stop paying taxes, and expect the newspaper to defend my criminal acts just as much!

  • SpanishImmersed
    July 14, 2010 3:56 p.m.

    OVER 300 COMMENTS...With all this excitement, Utah may not need a law, with so many folks self-deporting.

  • Pagan
    July 14, 2010 3:52 p.m.

    'That's some funny stuff -- good for you and thanks for reminding everyone how the tables flip sometimes!' - 3:20 p.m.

    Wait, mammalou, so did A Guy With A Brain make up the part where I said: "A list of people here ILLEGALLY? You can't make a list! That's wrong!"

    Or was that raybies, where they made up that I was 'publically threatening him/her?' (11:35 a.m.)

    When did I do that?

    Can you name the time and date?

    No. I didn't think so.

    Because I never said that, nor have I ever publically or privately threatened anyone. LDS or otherwise.

    If people are lying about that...wouldn't that support the Prop 8 movie?

    That some lie to try to get sympathy against homosexauls?

    Or are you just upset that people call you on it?

    Isn't that like lying about 'headless bodies' left around Az by immigrants, like Az. Gov. Jan Brewer?

    Glad you think that public threats of violence is 'funny stuff.'

    That says alot about you.

    Now, back to the issue.

    Are you a legal citizen?

  • mammalou
    July 14, 2010 3:20 p.m.

    "A Guy With A Brain | 11:05 a.m. July 14, 2010
    "raybies | 10:36 a.m. July 14, 2010
    This reminds me of when the politico-gays in California during Prop 8, started publishing lists and targetting individuals who opposed them... heck they're still making movies about it, and targetting mormons in particular."

    ___

    Ha! Ha!

    EXCELLENT point, raybies.

    Let's see if Pagan will try to defend the duplicity.

    Pagan then: "Mormons single-handedly passed Prop 8! Make a list of donors who LEGALLY gave to the pro-Prop 8 fight and make it public! Off with their heads!"

    Pagan now: "A list of people here ILLEGALLY? You can't make a list! That's wrong!"

    Liberals would make me laugh if the issue of the survival of our country wasn't at stake.... "

    That's some funny stuff -- good for you and thanks for reminding everyone how the tables flip sometimes!

  • Christine
    July 14, 2010 3:18 p.m.

    I think there are a lot of mentally ill people writing hateful comments. All you in the racist mob should see a doctor about your paranoias.

  • Christine
    July 14, 2010 3:09 p.m.

    Those who say that if you are legal you have nothing to worry about and they wouldn't mind having their personal information revealed. If this is really the case, then provide your personal information (including your SSN) with your comments. I want to see if you're really citizens.

  • CB
    July 14, 2010 3:02 p.m.

    The Poem for the Statue of Liberty (Note: Liberty not Illegals) was written, for a contest, many years after the Stature was given to America by France. It is not found at it's base but inside.
    If I found my name of that list and I had a legal right to be in this country or was a citizen, I would be more than happy to take my papers, birth certificate, whatever and show it to the authorities.
    Having experienced a major financial loss because of the criminality of illegals, a list like this should be published every 6 months for employers, neighbors and business people to be forwarned of their status.

  • whitey
    July 14, 2010 2:56 p.m.

    RE: nehimomma

    That's great to hear. Unfortunately your experience isn't the norm. There's ALWAYS an exception to everything, but we still have to realize the facts. And unfortunately, the occasional positive experience doesn't outweigh the usual. Aside from bias and personal opinion, America needs to evict the illegals whether you did at your apts or not. They are leeches, and the economy is the flesh on which they suck.

  • Bryan
    July 14, 2010 2:55 p.m.

    Ok, I can understand that if the list was illegally compiled, its source ought to be investigated and the perpetrator punished. But, if the list is accurate, wouldn't it be hypocritical to go after the compiler and not go after the illegal aliens on the list? Committing a crime is committing a crime.

    I'm not anti-immigration, but I am anti-illegal immigration. The state legislature needs to pass a law similar to Arizona's so that our law enforcement officers can start finding the illegals and sending them home. If they've been here for over a decade and have four anchor babies, that's an abuse of the system, and they should have been kicked out long ago.

  • Pagan
    July 14, 2010 2:54 p.m.

    '...if you broke the law you should be looking over your back.' - 2:27 p.m.

    I can see this point.

    However, how can you tell apart those who ARE illegals...

    and those who are not?

    Documentation?

    Please.

    Like Obama, my birth certificate is from Hawaii.

    People would only say I was born in Kenya.

  • pinkgurl
    July 14, 2010 2:54 p.m.

    @ nehimomma,

    You must be hispanic.

  • mammalou
    July 14, 2010 2:46 p.m.

    First off, I am definately against Illegal immigration. I am for legal immigration. Not sure what I think about the list, however, my son got in a trouble once at school for breaking the rules. Boy was he scared when he had to face the music (I was a little scared to tell the truth) but you know what we told him......if he hadn't done something wrong, he would not have had to be fearful then. I don't agree that the list makes them live in fear, I think that is a consequence of their actions by not obeying the law to being with. Go back and come across the borders the legal way and then you won't have to live in fear, that is the only way to live in peace.

  • sunnymorsap
    July 14, 2010 2:40 p.m.

    @ Whitey,
    Learn how to read. I am legal. I'm a US citizen and my parents are citizens. I don't know where you get that I broke the law coming here. The US is my home.
    I never said I wouldn't teach them culture here either. I live here, obviously they have to learn culture here. But just because I'm here doesn't mean that my children won't learn Spanish, dances, arts, and etc...
    Also if you're describing you're home in your comment above, I feel so sorry for you because that's not my home, nor is it my family's home in Mexico. So it must be yours. And if it is, that's your fault it's like that.
    Another thing, Mexico is part of the North America just as much as Canada and the United States too. Don't tell me you think that Mexico and Canada and even South America countries differentiate that they're from North or South America? We don't so why would you people think they would too. They say they live in America too people. Think about it.

  • Riodan
    July 14, 2010 2:39 p.m.

    I wonder "Whitely" if you are the only American that does not have or celebrate cultural heritage.

    As far as your hate message that all Mexicans walk because their cars are broken, and spend most of their time relaxing outdoors due to the choice of furniture position, and have obvious bladder issues that cause puddle stains on the floor much like a new puppy; have you been outside lately?

    Jeff Foxworthy made millions describing these same things....Rednecks. You see that crap all over Utah.

    The United States started advertising in Mexico for people to come here in 1849 and continued to do so till 1984. How many generations of people have been told to come here for an opportunity, the same one your ancestors had when they came to this country.

    Think before you let your hate get the best of you

  • American First
    July 14, 2010 2:27 p.m.

    Being a fugitive has never promised to be a relaxing proposition...if you broke the law you should be looking over your back.

  • sammyg
    July 14, 2010 2:23 p.m.

    Well here's a nice 'hot button' topic for the day.

    This issue has the ability to really polarize this country. If the immigration laws were obeyed and enforced we would not be having these issues. Though the 'list' is a horrible way to go about this problem it will serve a purpose in generating interest and motivating certain people.

  • Riodan
    July 14, 2010 2:20 p.m.

    Hey

    I have a list of Stupid right-wing rednecks that have broken a law or two in their time.(speeding, red lights, not paying correct taxes, the list is long). Now with this list and personal information we could really clean up the community.

    Are we so full of hate and self loathing that we need to find a group to harass. We have already done this to the Native Americans, the Negros, Japanese, Chinese, Irish, and the list goes on.

    What sets up apart from the rest of the world we think we are better than? We build walls, exclude, and diminish the human value of the diversity that makes us Americans. The only thing left is to lower ourselves and start shooting the hated flavor of the month.

    Everyone cry's "they are breaking the law!" well is there anyone out there that has not broken one?

    Heck we see law breakers everyday, these folks take more advantage of Americans than a few of the tired, weak, huddled masses ever have. They are meeting most weeks in large buildings in Washington DC. If you want to change things why not start there.

  • nehimomma
    July 14, 2010 2:20 p.m.

    RE:whitey

    I was an apartment manager.

    We had a lot of latino's living in our complex.

    It would definitely be considered a low income housing but was not subsidized..and only one tenant got section 8 help and he was white, 70 & deaf.

    I never had to evict a hispanic tenant.

    They kept there apartments clean.

    They often had multiple jobs so that they could pay there rent & other necessities.

    They left there apartments when moving out clean & orderly.

    I had quite a few people decide to not want to live there because we allowed brown folk to live there....what I found amusing was.

    The only tenants I had to evict were white.

    The tenants who left there homes an icky mess were white trashy tweakers who did nothing but cause me grief. I had over and over issues with tweaker trash using false names and false security numbers to pass through our background check & credit check.

    Were some of our hispanic tenants illegal? Probably...but they didn't cause me issues...AT ALL.

    What feeds the drugs and crime in Mexico is our white drug addicts...period.

  • Lauri
    July 14, 2010 1:52 p.m.

    I can't imagine any patriotic American citizen not being totally outraged by this list, no matter what side of the immigration issue they are on. Somewhere on that list, I have no doubts, there is an American Citizen. We have privacy rights, we should NEVER be threatened by vigilanties or witch hunts. And if it is proven a gov database was used for this witch hunt heads has better role and lawsuits inacted. Or NEXT is could be any one of us.

  • whitey
    July 14, 2010 1:44 p.m.

    If you want your children to learn the mexican culture, then raise them in Mexico. Imagine that. If you want to live in America and enjoy our culture, welcome. Obviously you came here for a reason, cause it was worth breaking the law to you. So maybe you should do what immigrants in the past have done, and live in the country that offers you what you want. If you want broken down cars, couches on the front porch, urine stains on the carpet, and lots and lots of crime, go back home to mexico. If you want liberty, job opportunities, and a great future, live in America LEGALLY and help us do what makes this country great.

  • cynic
    July 14, 2010 1:38 p.m.

    The hypocrisy exhibited by the radical anti-immigration crowd is truly astounding, and growing ever more frightening. They want immigration laws enforced, but are willing to themselves break the law in order to "out" those they claim are illegal. They want their own privacy protected, but are willing to share private, confidential, illegally-obtained information about others with all the media outlets in the state. They accuse the President of being a Nazi, while themselves using Nazi techniques to identify and terrorize others.

    Sadly, I read through the comments, and some have the gall to defend these despicable actions. What a depressing world we live in.

  • EgbertThrockmorton
    July 14, 2010 1:36 p.m.

    This letter is too well written to have come from any governmental employee.

    Funny, how this "anonymous group" can manage to identify 1300 allegedly illegal aliens, and the State of Utah, City of Salt Lake, and all the other folks complaining about dissenters being "anti-American", steadfastly refuse to believe that illegals are indeed bankrupting the Republic. If the persons who made the list illegally accessed the Social Security Numbers used by these alleged illegals, then several crimes have indeed been committed:
    Invasion of Privacy-by the letter writers.
    Identity theft- by the illegals
    Fraudulent use of a Social Security Number/card-by the illegals
    Counterfeiting of Federal Identification-by the illegals
    Possessing/purchasing stolen SSN numbers-by the illegals
    Human trafficking/slavery-by those importing the illegals here in the first place
    Extortion-see above
    The "list" goes on...too bad there is more "uproar" about these so-called "innocent" Yapias-Disciples names being on the list, than the "outrage" that should be present over the fraudulent use, and counterfeiting of identification, and the theft of goods and services, but, hey....we're rich, white and supposed to "feel guilty" right?

  • daizy
    July 14, 2010 1:30 p.m.

    No wonders our world is in such bad shape. Just listen to all you condoning law breakers. I agree, GROW UP! Laws are laws.

  • edweirdness
    July 14, 2010 1:28 p.m.

    Still, if the list is mostly correct, it would be interesting and I daresay informative for all of us to know how the list was developed, so we can do our own work. Unlike the quizlings of WWII, if we identify illegal aliens operating within our country, it make perfect sense that we should report these people to the authorities. And; if the authorities refuse to act, call their inaction to the attention of everyone. Nothing could be worse than a drunk or violent illegal hurting or killing someone, when they could have been picked up before hand.

  • edweirdness
    July 14, 2010 1:13 p.m.

    I have to agree with several others that this sounds more like the actions of the 'pro-illegal' crowd than it does with those who oppose illegal immigration. Either that, or a combination of pro-illegal interests and some jack-a_ _ legislator or bureaucrat trying to one up the competition in advance of some election. Pro-enforcement types already know how to report illegals and their employers to ICE. Also, unless government is 'asking' about folks immigration status, it's not likely the information about these illegals came from any government database. Let's not forget that many 'government records' are available because they are likewise 'public records'. Yep, sounds like some political ploy to me, especially as those who received the list will doubtless protect the names to protect those on the list. Employers who might see the list would be well served to verify the legal status of any of their workers who appear on the list.

  • nehimomma
    July 14, 2010 1:11 p.m.

    Re: "illegals have no legal rights...because they are illegal"

    actually they do

    Undocumented immigrants DO have legal rights under the U.S. Constitution and federal statute.
    As far back as 1896, the U.S. Supreme Court ruled that:

    “The Fourteenth Amendment to the Constitution is not confined to the protection of citizens. It says: ’Nor shall any state deprive any person of life, liberty or property without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the law.’ These provisions are universal in their application to all persons within the territorial jurisdiction, without regard to any differences of race, of color, or nationality; and the equal protection of the laws is a pledge of the protection of equal laws.” 2

    All persons in the U.S., therefore, have constitutional rights. Among these are the right to equal protection of the law and the right to due process.

    Also, undocumented persons have a constitutional right under the Fourth Amendment to deny any officer from entering their residence without consent, absent a search warrant.



    and so on

  • PPpatriot
    July 14, 2010 1:03 p.m.

    @utah guy: Unable to address the message so you attack the messenger. Typical of those who accuse others of judging only on the basis of looks. Re-read my first post regarding my opinion of Hispanic citizens and Re-read my second post regarding my opinion of improperly obtained information. Paying attention to the CONTENT of anothers opinion rather than the COLOR of your own bias's might help you understand.

  • sunnymorsap
    July 14, 2010 1:01 p.m.

    Also if people try to accuse me of being illegal because I'm speaking Spanish, because I shop at the Mexican stores, because I carpool with other people who just happen to latinos to save on gas, and because I go to the low income clinics because I work part-time and don't get benefits, I'll be happy to show them the lawsuit I'll file afterwards. And I don't get assistance from the government. And this ridiculous Arizona law saying that police will look for those dressed in cold weather clothing in the peak of summer; I have to wear a jacket or long sleeves and pants everywhere I go because my skin is too sensitive to the sun rays even with well lathered sunblock. And I have dark skin as it is. I'm legal and Hispanic and my children are going to learn Mexican culture in it's entirety whether the these people like it or not. I'd like to see all the drunken druggies, and people on food stamps yet buying cigarettes and beer taken off those benefits too. That would save this government money if those people were cut off too.

  • wrz
    July 14, 2010 12:58 p.m.

    @BP 12:09 p.m.:

    "To be honest, I'd rather deport the people that made the list..."

    Too funny! So, you would put the whistle blowers in jail and let the real law breakers go free? Is that your point?

    "(I'm not sure...but I think Dwight Schrute may be behind this)."

    Why is DNews printing individual's names?

    "I occasionally break the law by speeding on the freeway."

    Then you should be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. Give your name and phone number and I will see that you are turned in.

    "I wouldn't want somebody tracking my driving habits and publishing them, or giving them to the police and demanding that I be ticketed."

    Why do you seek to evade legitimate punishments?

  • fairfield
    July 14, 2010 12:55 p.m.

    At the base of the Statue of Liberty there is a poem:

    Give me your tired, your poor;
    Your huddled masses yearning for breathe free;
    The wretched refuse of your teaming shore.
    Send these, the homeless, tempest tossed to me.
    I lift my lamp beside the golden door.

  • Independent
    July 14, 2010 12:48 p.m.

    I like immigrants. I think that as many of them as possible should be allowed to come, as long as they are law-abiding people. I do think there is something wrong with a bureacracy that makes people wait 12 years to come into the country. I just want them to either become a citizen or carry a green card. Is that really too much to ask? Does that really make me a racist or anti-immigrant? If Obama is worried that Arizona's law harms foreign relations, why doesn't he and the rest of his party change the law upon which the offending AZ law is based? Give us a system that does what it says. That's all we ask! The Right is justified in complaining that illegal immigrants are milking the system. Why should they be exempt from paying income taxes when citizens are not? What is oppressive about requiring immigrants to have a green card, a work visa, that they pay income taxes, and use a real social security number? How is that racism or anti-immigrant? There's a system in place for legal immigration. If there's a problem, fix it, but enforce!

  • williary
    July 14, 2010 12:43 p.m.

    re: wrz

    It's time for people to grow up, start acting like adults, and accept truths. Something that goes on far too infrequently on this site.

    1)How did I come to that tidbit of information? First, if you've read the article you're posting on, or watched the news last night, you would have seen interviews with Hispanic individuals who were on the list, yet were also holding their legal immigrant papers. If you had also payed attention, you would have seen not a single mention from any media source regarding a name on this list that was not Hispanic. Not a comment, photo, zip.

    2)Again, lets be adults and stop exaggerating things. An armed man walking into a bank, really? How about an unarmed man, who goes to work, takes care of his family, is a legal citizen, but happens to be Hispanic and had his name thrown onto a list of "possible" illegal immigrants according to independant research done by other individuals? Clearly not apples-to-apples! The comparison would be a man who buys a gun, a handkerchief, and goes to the bank occasionally. Would you report him for possible robberies?

  • anti-liar
    July 14, 2010 12:20 p.m.

    "I love what Doug Wright of KSL has been saying on his show about immigration. "


    And he and others like him disdain the Twelfth Article of Faith.

    And also the one that says "Thou Shalt Not Steal."

    Read your scriptures more carefully.

  • Ravenal
    July 14, 2010 12:18 p.m.

    What frightens me more than the people that compiled the list are the comments by many people on this defending it.

    The answer to many of our problems is not in the extreme left or right but somewhere in between. Mass deportation is not the answer, neither is amnesty. Secure the border, fix the problem with the immigration process, eliminate anchor babies, and go after businesses that prey and rely on illegal immigrants for cheap labor. Do that and you eliminate many of the reasons for immigrants to come illegally.

  • pinkgurl
    July 14, 2010 12:16 p.m.

    I seriously can't believe some people... I'm not saying the list is accurate, but heck! They interviewed people who flat out said they were illegals! These people have no rights here in America. In Mexico, they could complain about the way they are being treated! Here, they can't!!!! Why is that so hard to see? Why are people standing up for them? I don't care if they are latino, canadian, french.. whatever! If you are in this country illegally, you deserve whatever happens to you! That's the risk you took when you snuck in! Shucks.. you got caught. Now deal with the consequences of being sent back. There needs to be consequences or this issue is just going to get worse and our children will be left trying to figure out what to do! But by then it might be too late. We need to protect our land and get the economy back up. Getting rid of the people dragging it down the most will definitely help!

  • Phill
    July 14, 2010 12:15 p.m.

    WoW, this comments are troublesome.

  • Anonymous Infinity
    July 14, 2010 12:12 p.m.

    What don't you people apologizing for illegal intruders crossing the border inivited understand about the law? It ranges between the western United States of America still belongs to Mexico to their shouldn't be any borders whatsoever. Just come and go world-wide. Wake up. A soverign nation is only a nation if it has borders. Are you people saying everyone in the world is free to travel to the United States of America without restrictions? With all the freebies the liberal politicians have enacted which is totally against constitutional law, aided and abetted by the courts is criminal. Take a look at what is happening! It it keeps going the way it is the country will collapse financially. The current deficits at all levels of government should be a clear indication to anyone with a brain that we are buring ourselves. Unfunded mandates/benefits are over $100 trillion dollars in the USA. Why don't we just invite the entire world population to this country to bask in all this liberal utopianis. Opening our borders is LUDICROUS! SHAME ON YOU POLITICIANS!!!! All this craziness is evidence of why we desperately need TERM LIMIT LEGISLATION NOW!

  • BP
    July 14, 2010 12:09 p.m.

    To be honest, I'd rather deport the people that made the list than the illegal aliens (I'm not sure...but I think Dwight Schrute may be behind this).

    Stalking people and gathering their personal information is pretty creepy stuff in any circumstances.

    I ocassionally break the law by speeding on the freeway. I wouldn't want somebody tracking my driving habits and publishing them, or giving them to the police and demanding that I be ticketed.

  • Skitown
    July 14, 2010 12:06 p.m.

    How about the list also gets used to track down, arrest and fine all of the employers and landlords that harbor, support, and profit from illegal immigration?

  • trueamerican
    July 14, 2010 12:05 p.m.

    More illegals ought to be scared to be here. I am not saying the illegal use of government property is good. I am just saying that until illegals feel the pain of coming into our country illegally AND CEOs being punished for hiring illegals, nothing will change.

  • daizy
    July 14, 2010 11:57 a.m.

    I'm sure that Utah Government knew all along about this list. Someone somewhere is simply trying to expose them and show just how corrupt Utah, Government has become.

    I would love to see this list.

  • wrz
    July 14, 2010 11:53 a.m.

    @A Guy With A Brain 10:46 a.m.:

    "I do N-O-T have a mother-in-law or sister-in-law who are illegal aliens."

    "You said: 'I have a mother-in-law, and a sister-in-law that no longer have valid green cards.'"

    If their green cards are no longer valid, they must be invalid. Which any rational person would interpret as your in-laws being in this country without appropriate papers. Which would mean they are here illegally. Which would mean they are illegal immigrants. Which means, since you know they are are breaking a US law, you should stop harboring criminals and turn them in. It's not rocket science.

  • fairfield
    July 14, 2010 11:51 a.m.

    At the base of the Statue of Liberty it says,

    Give me your tired, your poor;
    Your huddled masses yearning to breath free;
    The retched refuse of your teaming shore.
    Send these, the homeless, tempest tossed to me.
    I lift my lamp beside the golden door."

    Do we want to chisel it off so we are not reminded about it?

  • wrz
    July 14, 2010 11:41 a.m.

    @williary 10:52 a.m.:

    "Correction. They are compiling a list of 'possible' illegal immigrants based on them having Hispanic names."

    How did you come by that tidbit of information?

    "So is it still your civic duty to report 'possible' legal activity..."

    Let's put it this way... If you saw a guy with a handkerchief over his face with a gun in his hand going into a bank, would you feel obliged to call 911? Or, should you just assume the guy is just trying to be funny?

  • goutahutes
    July 14, 2010 11:41 a.m.

    The people on the list would not be afraid it they had entered the country the right way. It seems funny that an investigation is going to be made to find out if government resources were used to compile the list. If the government already had the information, then why has the government not acted on that information. How can people cry that their rights have been violated, when they have illegally accuired social security numbers, and residence here in Utah. It seems to me that you have not earned those rights. Enter the country the right way and you can have those rights.

  • raybies
    July 14, 2010 11:35 a.m.

    fwiw, I find both the gay-politico action and this recent illegal-immigration list equally reprehensible behavior, and I'm saddened that those on any side of an argument can't find a way to resolve their troubles in some other way other than what appears to be public threats.

  • Led Zeppelin II
    July 14, 2010 11:35 a.m.

    All drug dealers and murderers should be treated as such illegal or legal. All immigrants illegal or legal should be treated as human beings. I am LDS and I beleive this is what Jesus would do. I beleive any good Christian would do the same. I love what Doug Wright of KSL has been saying on his show about immigration. What a great example he is. A really classy Latter Day Saint that I look up to. Not a Chris Butters or Jason Chaffetz who agree with other politicians and are one sided who are not solving the immigration problem.

  • John Pack Lambert of Michigan
    July 14, 2010 11:33 a.m.

    At what point does being a good husband and father, providing for a family, and supporting your children's school attendance by working long hours in the meat-packing plant or carpet factory become enough to balance out the "crime" of having crossed the border without asking permission, the crime that our friend the Cuban did and gets immediate permanent residence status from it.

  • John Pack Lambert of Michigan
    July 14, 2010 11:32 a.m.

    JACC,
    So why do Cubans get to ignore immigration laws, not apply, sneak in around the coast guard, and be rewarded for so doing, while a Mexican who came here at age 3, went through the school system and graduated from high school can't be granted legal residence because that would be "rewarding people for breaking the law"?

    Maybe it is because the Cuban clearly is being rewarded for being more crafty than the Coast Guard while the Mexican may have the misimpression that he is being rewarded for staying in school and trying to better himself. The horror.

    In case you can't catch it. I think that those people who think that supporting enforcement of our unjust system is just are a bunch of people who at a minimum have not thought through the effects of their fanatical devotion to a flawed law.

    "Amnesty" is not the issue. The plan would regularize immigrant status. It would not absolve people of robbery, identity theft or any other crime.

  • wrz
    July 14, 2010 11:32 a.m.

    @Pagan 10:34 a.m.:

    "I am glad you are legal. Was everyone in your family?"

    They drew up applicable papers, met other requirements, and stood in line.

  • sunnymorsap
    July 14, 2010 11:30 a.m.

    @ Charles

    Educate yourself. I have personally been to Mexico without proper papers and was accepted simply because I was a minor child of a Mexican citizen. All I had with me was my US birth certificate which was only checked when I crossed the border to come back to Texas. My mother now has dual citizenship. And I just so happen to go to a local hospital during my time in Mexico. Just so you know, a US citizen wouldn't even need to apply for assistance from their government because medical care and benefits given in Mexico are so cheap that I would esitmate a middle class US citizen probably makes on average double what they make there and would have no problems paying the bill. And I speak from experience keep in mind. Also, little do you know, English is taught in their schools. Just about all my cousins in Mexico can fluently speak, read, and write English. Next time get your speculations a bit more straight before you tell someone to keep their outrages. Never assume you understand something without having experienced it yourself. Get rid of your ignorance so there can be one less out there.

  • Pagan
    July 14, 2010 11:26 a.m.

    A Guy With A Brain, amigo? Really?

    Illegal alien.

    What? The comparison is valid. You don't know my real name, if I have any evidence, and if what I said was true.

    You however, need to get your birth certificate, show up in court to avoid being deported back to your 'home country.'

    And when did I say identity fraud was legal?

    ‘…working in fraud, typically ID theft is from the deceased.’ - 10:35 a.m.

    No, you said that.

    '1st, you say that illegal activity (falsely using another's SSN) is not illegal' - 10:59 a.m.

    Along with:
    'Pagan then: "Mormons single-handedly passed Prop 8! Make a list of donors who LEGALLY gave to the pro-Prop 8 fight and make it public! Off with their heads!"
    Pagan now: "A list of people here ILLEGALLY? You can't make a list! That's wrong!" - 11:05 a.m.

    Guy with a brain? More like 'Guy with an over active imagination.'

    If you’re going to quote me, do it.

    Not make up things I say to vilify my position.

    Of course you would think anonymous posting is valid.

    You're a coward.

  • John Pack Lambert of Michigan
    July 14, 2010 11:13 a.m.

    Utah Guy,
    I can't even tell an immigrant from a native born American. I thought my friend April was an immigrant from Mexico or at least the child of such, later I learned her father was Navajo, so she had deeper native American roots then me, since I am not even enough Cherokee to become an official tribe member, and you need 64 Cherokee to have one Indian.

    Then there is my friend who I thought was born in China. Turns out she was born in Provo and her mother was born in the US to Canadian immigrants, one of whom was the child of Hungarian immigrants to Canada.

    Still the most fun are the people who do not know they are illegal immigrants. They really exist, because when you are one you have no clue, and if your parents say "we came here legally" you believe them.

  • JACC
    July 14, 2010 11:08 a.m.

    Ugliness all around.

    But this would never have happened if people would just obey immigration laws.

    Our immigration system is badly broken, and ignoring it will just generate more problems.

  • A Guy With A Brain
    July 14, 2010 11:05 a.m.

    "raybies | 10:36 a.m. July 14, 2010
    This reminds me of when the politico-gays in California during Prop 8, started publishing lists and targetting individuals who opposed them... heck they're still making movies about it, and targetting mormons in particular."

    ___

    Ha! Ha!

    EXCELLENT point, raybies.

    Let's see if Pagan will try to defend the duplicity.

    Pagan then: "Mormons single-handedly passed Prop 8! Make a list of donors who LEGALLY gave to the pro-Prop 8 fight and make it public! Off with their heads!"

    Pagan now: "A list of people here ILLEGALLY? You can't make a list! That's wrong!"

    Liberals would make me laugh if the issue of the survival of our country wasn't at stake....

  • John Pack Lambert of Michigan
    July 14, 2010 11:03 a.m.

    Until there is a coherent reason why an immigrant fleeing Guatemalan death squads in 1990 so his wife would not get raped is treated as illegal, but one fleeing Cuba on the same day so he could get a better job in the US is treated as legal, and one who fled Mexico the year before so he could have a job at all is also treated as illegal, yet the Cuban did no more to get permission to immigrate, then any claims that enforcing the immigration rules are attempts at implementing the rule of law are a sham.

    This is obviously not about the rule of law when people violate laws to gather information. It is about advancing a racial ideology, one that does not recognize the right of all citizens to recieve education.

    The fact of the matter is that the vast majority of students, even in central Provo elementary schools, are citizens of the US.

    We have public education because an educated citizenry is a positive good. It is in place because society recieves a benefit from it. It is not a benefit to parents, but an expenditure by society to recieve broad benefits later.

  • A Guy With A Brain
    July 14, 2010 10:59 a.m.

    "Pagan | 10:35 a.m. July 14, 2010
    'If not, will the victims of ID theft be contacted?' - 10:28 a.m.

    Hillen, working in fraud, typically ID theft is from the deceased. They're not using the SSN any more, are they?

    And let's not pretend that stealing someone's identity is strictly an illegal alien activity."

    _____


    Ah, Pagan, Pagan, Pagan....where do I start?

    Better cut right to the chase.

    Your argument is ridiculous.

    1st, you say that illegal activity (falsely using another's SSN) is not illegal only because the original 'owner' is dead. But fraud and deception is wrong and you know it.

    2nd, you sidestep the issue of whether illegal aliens should be free to remain here by childishly saying that since social security number theft is not done only by illegal aliens (true) then even if an illegal alien does do this, we should turn a blind eye to it (wrong).

    Get real.

    Your arguments are pathetically foolish.

    Your attitudes and selfishness, amigo, are exactly what is wrong with America.

  • John Pack Lambert of Michigan
    July 14, 2010 10:57 a.m.

    I meant to say second largest Hispanic group in the end of my last post.

    There should be about 200 non-Latinos on this list since only 82% of undocumented immigrants in Utah are Latino. However, since only 60% are Mexican, and many others are Argentines, Brazilians and Chileans, and those three groups often do not have "Hispanic" last names, but instead German or Italian ones, there should be even more people lacking clear Hispanic last names.

    It appears that this group not only targeted Hispanics, but they targeted people with obvious signs of having at least some Indian ancestry. There is no indication that they even mind immigrants from south of the border if they look "white enough".

    Lastly, we need to remember that a Cuban can come to the US with no form of application at all. As long as he manages to elude the coast guard and walk on dry land he will be granted permananet residence status, and in the 1960s he would also get a grant from the CIA to start a business as part of the espianoge network against Castro.

  • krobe
    July 14, 2010 10:53 a.m.

    This is vigilantism at its worst. The person or persons who compiled the list ought to be prosecuted if the information was collected illegally.

  • williary
    July 14, 2010 10:52 a.m.

    re: wrz

    "The people who drew up this list are only doing their civic job of reporting illegal activity."

    Correction. They are compiling a list of "possible" illegal immigrants based on them having Hispanic names. As multiple media outlets who jumped on this story have reported, many on the list are very legal US citizens who just happen to have Hispanic names, and were thus listed.

    So is it still your civic duty to report "possible" legal activity based on no evidence what-so-ever? But of course evidence in the immigration debate appears to be either looking like a Hispanic person, or having a Hispanic name.

  • katamb-midvale
    July 14, 2010 10:52 a.m.

    We need to see prison time for these persons. Anyone thinking this is ok - would you be ok if you and your children were on such a list?

  • John Pack Lambert of Michigan
    July 14, 2010 10:46 a.m.

    to Utah Guy,
    She was probably clocking 66 mph on I-15 in American Fork where the speed limit is only 55 mph, so she needs to be ticketed for the full 10 over, no more of this giving people tickets for 5 over when they are going 11 over. I think we have more understanding of compassion and reasonableness than that.

    I also have to speak out against the truly stupid notion that I have heard from some that it would be possible for Puerto Ricans to have any issue of immigrant status. Any person born in Puerto Rico is a US citizen. While Puerto Rico is not a state and thus lacks a voting member in Congress and electoral votes, they are US citizens and so if they live in a state (since at least 25% of Puerto Ricans in the states live on Long Island, Manhattan or such, "Mainland" is not the right term, some even live in Hawaii, although most of those there families have been in Hawaii since about 1905) they can vote. Thus, the second largest Puerto Rican group in the US is all citizens.

  • A Guy With A Brain
    July 14, 2010 10:46 a.m.

    wrz | 9:41 a.m. July 14, 2010
    @A Guy With A Brain 8:53 a.m.:

    "I have a mother-in-law, and a sister-in-law that no longer have valid green cards."

    You need to do the right thing, stop harboring criminals and turn them in.

    ______


    wrz -

    Whoa, buddy! Hold on there, bub!!!!!!!

    I do N-O-T have a mother-in-law or sister-in-law who are illegal aliens.

    PLEASE go back and read that post again.

    I was replying to somebody else who said THEY had in-laws who were here legally. ALL my relatives and friends are 100% legal.

    Deseret News Posting Police, please print this! To not do so is to allow me and what I stand for to be grossly mischaracterized.

    Thanks.

  • Led Zeppelin II
    July 14, 2010 10:39 a.m.

    The minutemen can come after me. I am white,married to a beautiful Latina and I defend what is right. I believe in living the gospel of Jesus Christ though I am very imperfect. Leave the Latinos alone and take out your frustrations on me. I am not saying all minutemen are like this but the ones that are can use me as their target pratice with and leave my brothers and sisters alone.

  • John Pack Lambert of Michigan
    July 14, 2010 10:39 a.m.

    To danaslc,
    Oh, the horror. People are crossing our "border" illegally. From where, Arizona, Nevada, Colorado, Idaho. Oh, maybe it is the ones crossing into Wyoming?

    The fact of the matter is that the "illegal", and that is even a stretch before it is not strictly a crime, act is crossing into the US. I guess you could see illegal entry at SLC, but anywhere else you are just assuming people are illegal. Because of what? Maybe I should report my British friends, they were not born in the US and I do not know they have proper documents.

    What, do you come up to people and ask "Are you an illegal immigrant". Unless you see them in the act of coming to the US illegally you are not an observant of a crime and the comparison to a robbery or anything like that is false.

  • raybies
    July 14, 2010 10:36 a.m.

    This reminds me of when the politico-gays in California during Prop 8, started publishing lists and targetting individuals who opposed them... heck they're still making movies about it, and targetting mormons in particular.

    Of course this group has yet to start mailing envelopes with white powder in them to Mexican restaurants or Latino-held Construction companies, so I guess it's not as bad as that was... In fact if you read the letter, the authors attempt to clarify their intent is purely for the sake of information, and is not violent, etc...

    Still publishing lists with personal information is not cool in our age of where privacy is mostly an illusion.

  • Pagan
    July 14, 2010 10:35 a.m.

    'If not, will the victims of ID theft be contacted?' - 10:28 a.m.

    Hillen, working in fraud, typically ID theft is from the deceased. They're not using the SSN any more, are they?

    And let's not pretend that stealing someone's identity is strictly an illegal alien activity.

  • Led Zeppelin II
    July 14, 2010 10:35 a.m.

    My wife is latina. She is legal. I wonder if she is still on this list like many others who are actually legal. Anyway the group who did this is nothing more than extremists breaking the law. I dont know how any of these immigrant haters can call themselves worthy LDS or hold a temple reccomend. I remember a talk President Gordan B. Hinkley gave years ago that said people who use racial slurs of any kind are not worthy of holding the Priesthood.

  • John Pack Lambert of Michigan
    July 14, 2010 10:34 a.m.

    Utah guy,
    You forget these are radical "law and order" types. They believe in the original constitution. The only admendment they like is the 2nd. The rest of the Bill of Rights to them is just an annoyance that prevents them from putting everyone they dislike in jail or worse for the rest of their lives.

  • Pagan
    July 14, 2010 10:34 a.m.

    '@Pagan 1:26 p.m.:
    "The 'witch hunts' have begun."
    Watch it. Calling illegals 'witches' is discrimination of the worst kind.' - 9:02 a.m.

    Wrz,

    Then it is a good thing I did not. As you are implying. Based on your assumption that you know what I think when I write.

    My witch trail comparisons, which was in quotations, compared the anamous listing to witch trails. Not immigrants themselves.

    I would have hoped that you would understand that. I must re-evaluate what I guessed was your knowledge of comparisons.

    Also, when I menteion a 'witch' I would address them as 'wiccan', if they so told me to. Not make broad accusations about groups I have no knowledge of.

    Like you did with me.

    The comparisons of this anamous list and witch hunts is valid.

    As the accuser can hide behind secrecy...

    and the defender must account for him/herself.

    This is why the court of law was created. To avoid these kinds of 'mob law' scenerios.

    Apparenly, some are fine with lynchings.

    I am glad you are legal.

    Was everyone in your family?

  • A Guy With A Brain
    July 14, 2010 10:32 a.m.

    "utah guy | 9:09 a.m. July 14, 2010
    @A Guy With A Brain

    So then end justifies the means? That is what society is now? Are armbands an ghettos next?"

    ___

    utah guy -

    Why would we need armbands and ghettos if all the ILLEGAL aliens are deported?

    Amazing.

    The very people who falsely accuse the conservatives of using 'scare tactics' are the very ones who are using them.

  • Led Zeppelin II
    July 14, 2010 10:28 a.m.

    Doug Wright of KSL may be the only radio personality that get it right on immigration. Both Democrats and Republicans are starting a war. Neither of them can get it right and only stir things up like they do with everything else. Our freedoms are going down the toilet.

  • Hillen
    July 14, 2010 10:28 a.m.

    There is a question not asked.
    Concerning the Social Security Numbers. If these people are indeed illegal aliens, are these numbers really theirs? Are the Names really their true names?
    If not, will the victims of ID theft be contacted? They will need to begin the process of pressing charges.
    Parents of ID theft victims will also need to be notified to protect their children.


    Toni Yapias just loves to manipulate the press.







  • Fam5b
    July 14, 2010 10:28 a.m.

    I'm so ashamed that these people (the anonymous group) are from the same state as I. If you (anonymous group) are so concerned, spend your time and resources going after rapists, pedophiles, etc. You are a disgrace!

  • CaseyA
    July 14, 2010 10:27 a.m.

    First we identify a group as the "other." "They" are harming our "society" and stealing our jobs. "They" are bringing the scourge of [drugs, crime, ignorance etc. pick your poison] to our fair shores.

    Then we start to identify those who we feel fit in the group of "other" so we can properly separate them out of society.

    Then we are shocked by the vigilante justice that starts to occur.

    We are at stage two. Next will come stage three and we can all be shocked. The fact is, very few of those who are anti-immigrant realize the value immigration, particularly illegal immigration, brings to our economy. Those of you who are anti-illegal immigration, think for a second about the effect of the illegal immigration on the price of goods. We need access to cheap labor to drive our economy people. Don't cut it off because you are scared of people speaking spanish.

  • On the other hand
    July 14, 2010 10:27 a.m.

    @Fiscal Hawk, should Americans respect human dignity? Oh, and who is to say they're all illegal? Sounds like whoever compiled the list did pretty sloppy work...

  • John Pack Lambert of Michigan
    July 14, 2010 10:25 a.m.

    There used to be a member of my stake's high council whose parents had come to the US from Italy as stowaways on a ship, thus never passing through customs.

    Would people here want to strip him of his citizenship and send him back to the old country because he was only born here since his parents came here illegally?

    It gets more fun. Before he joined the Church he was part of the mafia, involved in theft of constuction equitment, transportation across state lines and resale. Most of the time it was with the collusion of the companies and also involved insurance fraud.

    Since joining the Church he has been one of the most faithful members. He has been a temple worker at the Detroit Temple since it opened.

    I am not disclosing any new information to the public since this guy wrote an auto-biography and later participated in the making of a documentary on his life.

  • fairfield
    July 14, 2010 10:24 a.m.

    Years ago, in a land far different from ours, there was a statue with a poem written at its base. I can't remember it. We don't talk about it any more, but -- wait a minute it was...

    "Give me your tired, your poor;
    Your huddled masses yearning to breath free;
    The retched refuse of your teaming shore.
    Send these, the homeless, tempest tossed to me.
    I lift my lamp beside the golden door."

    But that was someplace else -- in a different galaxy; far, far away. That's not the America of today.

    Is it?

  • common sense55
    July 14, 2010 10:23 a.m.

    Either we're for upholding the laws of the land or we're not. Why is there a double standard to everything with liberals? I don't want anymore illegals coming through the boarder, it's a dangerous situation. I think a solution to this problem is not amnesty, but an easier legalization process. Make sure we have all the necessary documents, but not to the extent where we have people waiting 12 years. For those who choose not to become legal should be deported. We can give them the opportunity to become legal and put responsibility on their backs. If they're not compliant, they need to go back to their home country. If Arizona's law will just check the immigration status of everyone involved in crimes, then that would be better than having a suspicion. Either way, i still agree that it needs to be enforced.

  • mecr
    July 14, 2010 10:21 a.m.

    @ sunnymorsap

    Well said and enough said!

  • dumbo123
    July 14, 2010 10:20 a.m.

    Excellent work. Good job "Concerned Citizens of the United States" I just hope that ICE will follow through. People should not come here Illegally. People who break the law need to be aware that there are consequences for their actions.

  • other
    July 14, 2010 10:19 a.m.

    What a bunch of cowardly chickens. They release names,, some already proven inaccurate- and withhold their own identity. This is very unchristian- to try to intimidate and put people at risk while failing to take responsibility for their actions.

  • sunnymorsap
    July 14, 2010 10:04 a.m.

    THIS IS AN OUTRAGE! I myself am Hispanic and Native American (and proud of it) and I'm a US citizen born in Texas. Both my parents are US citizens and my mother worked hard to get that. All US citizens need to take a good look in the mirror because if it wasn't for their ancestors IMMIGRATING here, none of you would be here and you should be grateful that it was possible for your relative to come here. I'm a native from the this land and this is an absolute outrage for you people to seek out these people that have nothing for them in their country so they can die, because in most cases that's what will happen. You people don't even take that into consideration! Even though I was the child of an immigrant, we were never on food stamp, medicaid, or any assistance from the government. These people are to twisted it's sickening. As far as I'm aware, I have more rights to be in this country than everyone that has family that immigrated from Europe or any other country! This has become a land of selfishness not freedom...

  • fairfield
    July 14, 2010 10:03 a.m.

    The apt comparison is not so much Nazi Gestapo tactics and Communist purges of religion as much as it is things in our own countries history -- Salem witch trials, anti-Irish, anti-Italian, anti-Jewish movements in the 19th and early 20th century; expulsion of the Mormon immigrants from Missouri, expulsion of Mormon immigrants from Illinois, internment of Japanese during WWII, and the McCarthy era Unamerican persecution of supposed communists.

    Why is anyone surprised that the vigilantes have emerged here?

    It's in the worst of our nature to get out the torches, pitchforks and ropes.

  • blue dot!
    July 14, 2010 9:58 a.m.

    @ a guy with a brain (debateable)

    Would you feel scared or violated if your personal information were made public? It wouldn't matter if you were a documented alien or not, you would be concerned about your privacy and safety. From what I have heard, there are individuals on the list who were not illegal.

  • common sense55
    July 14, 2010 9:53 a.m.

    I'm all for closing the boarders, but this is taking it way too far. You've got to be kidding me that someone would go out of their way to do this kind of work. Remember that we have police and immigration services that should take care of this, not citizens who have suspicions. This, however, in now way should allow illegal immigrants to be here without going through some process of legalization. Give them a test, make it a little easier to become a citizen, whatever it takes, but do not allow others to cross over illegaly.

  • wrz
    July 14, 2010 9:44 a.m.

    @PAC 9:18 a.m. -- "Why would someone do this to people?"

    Read 'dumbo123@8:51 a.m.' and you'll begin to understand why.

  • Fiscal Hawk
    July 14, 2010 9:43 a.m.

    Questions have been raised as to the legality of these actions.

    My question is; should illegal, non-citizen residents be entitled to the same constitutional rights as citizens?

  • Christine
    July 14, 2010 9:43 a.m.

    The "Utah Gestapo"? What a disgrace! The way this group is operating is UN-AMERICAN

    The paranoid cowards that collected and sent the list should own up to their illegal activities.

  • wrz
    July 14, 2010 9:41 a.m.

    @A Guy With A Brain 8:53 a.m.:

    "I have a mother-in-law, and a sister-in-law that no longer have valid green cards."

    You need to do the right thing, stop harboring criminals and turn them in.

  • Rick for Truth
    July 14, 2010 9:38 a.m.

    Send them Home, to their own contry, they are illegally here.

  • Alan D
    July 14, 2010 9:37 a.m.

    When I have visited ANY other country, their border agents have always asked where I'll be staying, what I plan to do, and when I'll be leaving.
    If any of that information changes, I need to let them know, and if I violate any of THEIR immigration laws, my address changes and I get to spend time in one of their "high class prisons".
    We had a good migrant worker program until Kennedy decided to court the Union vote and promised to do away with the ability of farmers to hire people temporarily from Mexico. Up until then, migrant workers were sponsored by farmers, then they could return home until next season when they would be hired again.
    Under the racist programs of Kennedy, (remember, the Democrats were members of the KKK) migrant workers were forced to become illegals, and didn't want to return home for fear that they couldn't get across the border again.
    But "politics as usual" requires that the Democrats blame it all on the Republicans... it's all working so well for them, don't you think?

  • mecr
    July 14, 2010 9:26 a.m.

    The end doesn't justify the means. If the list is including personal information from people who are legal residents, then that is against the law. Whoever provided the list should step forward. Why is that person hiding? maybe for the same reasons illegal do? And maybe the same reasons the media is using in not publishing the list. Not a very smart move. And yes, it's profiling and cowardish. I know a bunch of white people who are illegal in this country, I once met a woman from Armenia who "legally" got goverment housing help and rented to others profiling from that. I know another one from Scotland whose resident card expired long time ago and was still working for a governement agency.
    That 99.9% someone mentioned is a joke.

  • PAC
    July 14, 2010 9:18 a.m.

    Why would someone do this to people? What a shame!

  • staypuffinpc
    July 14, 2010 9:11 a.m.

    It's interesting that A Guy With a Brain hasn't stopped to think how his life might be affected if someone released his name on a list of people engaging in purported illegal activity that had his personal contact information and social security number. Who's to stop someone from now opening accounts in these people's names or digging into their personal records?

    In no way does this justify the status or activity of illegal aliens, but in no way does it also justify the public dissemination of private information, which might end up doing more harm than good. Think about it, someone could now try and set these people up. This could be their defense for being persecuted as well, effectively blocking the very purpose for which someone created the list.

    Sheesh. I guess having a brain and using it are two different things.

  • utah guy
    July 14, 2010 9:09 a.m.

    @A Guy With A Brain

    So then end justifies the means? That is what society is now? Are armbands an ghettos next?

  • wrz
    July 14, 2010 9:09 a.m.

    @williary 1:35 p.m.:

    "Such a disgrace. As an accountant, perhaps I'll start a list of known tax cheats and provide the IRS."

    If you know of lawbreaking and don't report it, you are breaking the law.

    Supposing you know who killed someone or who robbed a bank and refused to report it to authorities. You'd be prosecuted for harboring criminals.

    The people who drew up this list are only doing their civic job of reporting illegal activity.

  • On the other hand
    July 14, 2010 9:06 a.m.

    @danaslc, how do you feel about the fact that a person or group of people, in complete anonymity and in probable violation of a number of laws, have terrified and violated the privacy of over a thousand people, several of whom are legal residents of this nation who have done nothing wrong? It's one thing to report a crime. It's another to use Gestapo-style tactics to do so. This list is a huge step in the wrong direction. If the founding fathers were around today, they would condemn this affront to individual liberty in the harshest of terms.

    I hope the government is able to quickly discover and prosecute the cowardly extremists who helped compile this list.

  • Pagan
    July 14, 2010 9:06 a.m.

    Salem witch trails

    Nazi Gestapo

    Communist purges

    Anonymous illegal immigrant reports



    What is the difference?

    I can tell you what is similar.

    All require very little evidence.
    All need nothing more than petty gossip to be 'justified.'
    All have very little recourse or defense against alligations.


    And with 97% of America decending from immigrants...

    those aligations could just as easily be said about...

    you.

  • noneck62
    July 14, 2010 9:04 a.m.

    It sounds to me like the State needs to step in and either control or disband the "Minutemen." How would the "Minutemen" feel if a list was circulated containing their Names; Addresses and other personal information?

  • wrz
    July 14, 2010 9:02 a.m.

    @Pagan 1:26 p.m.:

    "The 'witch hunts' have begun."

    Watch it. Calling illegals 'witches' is discrimination of the worst kind.

    "Hey, are YOU an illegal immigrant?"

    Yes, a LEGAL immigrant.

  • wrz
    July 14, 2010 8:59 a.m.

    JohnJacobJingleHeimerSchmidt 1:21 p.m,"

    "Does this list have names of Canadians and European illegal immigrants too or is it just targeted at Latino names? I suspect the list only has Latino names. This is racial targeting plain and simple."

    Too funny! I'm sure the list also excluded Serbs, South Africans, and Azerbaijanis as well. Any list would likely exclude some race, ethnicity, and even religions.

  • A Guy With A Brain
    July 14, 2010 8:53 a.m.

    "williary | 2:21 p.m. July 13, 2010
    re: Brave Sir Robin

    And if you're not adult enough to understand that 100% of "possible" illegal immigrants on this list will be Hispanic simply because they are the easiest target, and that in itself is racial profiling to the tee, stop wasting our time.

    I have a mother-in-law, and a sister-in-law that no longer have valid green cards. Both work and pay taxes. Neither is on the welfare system. And yet, they will never be questioned on this list or under a law similar to Arizona. Both were born in Scotland, and are caucasion. If you can't see the racism in that, you're clearly not a very intelligent person."

    ____

    williary -

    Sorry, but you're the one lacking common sense here.

    It is not a matter of "race" but a matter of "legal". Therefore, if I were an AZ law enforcement officer and stopped your mother-in-law or your sister-in-law and found out they were here illegally, I'd deport them. No questions asked.

    Not obeying the laws in this country is killing America.

  • dumbo123
    July 14, 2010 8:51 a.m.

    I live in Southern California and would like to share with the people in Utah what Illegal immigration has done to this state. We are overwhelmed with Illegal Immigrants. They are everywhere and their presence has caused a situation which impacts everyone here. Our schools are severely overcrowded and the quality of education has dropped dramatically. Crime committed by Illegals including carjackings,identity theft, hit and run, drug trafficking, murder and assault has increased tremendously. Gang violence is at critical mass and law enforcement is ineffective in controlling the problem. People who are working in the construction trades,the service sector,manufacturing and transportation and others have seen their wages plummet and businesses who employ U.S. citizens suffer while those who employ Illegals prosper. Illegal Immigration is eroding the tax base here in California. Illegal Immigrants pay little or no taxes and create enormous social financial liabilities for our state. Illegal Immigrants drive down wages and therefor lower tax remittances overall. Illegal Immigration is costing the California taxpayer BILLIONS every year in lost revenue! I hope and pray that Utah doesn't become like California because we are in hopeless economic and rapid social decline.

  • A Guy With A Brain
    July 14, 2010 8:46 a.m.

    "Pagan | 1:52 p.m. July 13, 2010
    'Even if the list was illegally accessed...' - 1:26 p.m.

    It's 'ok' because, even though it can't be used in a court of law...

    we don't need reasons to hate."

    ____

    It isn't "hate", Pagan, to enforce a logical law that already exists.

    Do you liberals ever get in touch with reality?

  • A Guy With A Brain
    July 14, 2010 8:43 a.m.

    "utah guy | 1:50 p.m. July 13, 2010
    @Chris B

    How about some acutal solutions to this extemely complex issue that require more than four words to solve."

    ____

    Hey utah guy, I'll solve this problem in 5 words:

    "Build fence, enforce with guns."


  • UtahBlueDevil
    July 14, 2010 8:40 a.m.

    I have seen the comment that the government is being illegal by not enforcing the law. Really, where is it written that the government has the mandate to catch each and every illegal act? How is that funded? Are you saying that every time anyone goes over the speed limit, the local jurisdiction is at risk if they don't ticket each and every driver that makes an infraction? Every time a husband hits his wife, a cop should be there instantly and arrest him?

    The idea that we should have a government large enough to catch each and every infraction of the law, including illegals would lead to a police state that would make even Stalin envious. Even the old Soviet Empire was not able to seal its boarders.... you want the US to build a Berlin wall between us and all our neighbors? Get real.

    We just get our panties in a wad because these illegals are brown, and are taking our highly prized jobs in the waste management, agriculture, slaughter houses, building maintenance, and construction. They also must all be working tax free jobs, buying tax free products, and live in tax free homes. Right.

  • rbgntx
    July 14, 2010 8:38 a.m.

    Not Scared posted about employer audits being done by ICE. This is nothing new. I did these as a Border Patrol Agent in the early years after the 86 amnesty was passed. At some point in time, the government quit doing them. It can be an effective tool to use as part of an overall enforcement strategy. The downside to the audits is illegal employees are let go and just turn up again with a new phony id. I ran into that many times twenty years ago. The technology available today makes identity fraud even easier to do. I would guess employers will continue to favor this approach until they start getting hit in the pocketbook with hefty fines for their employment practices.

  • A Guy With A Brain
    July 14, 2010 8:37 a.m.

    All the liberal on this board are ticked off because someone had the guts to stand up and hand over a list of illegal aliens, but fail to see the truth of the fact that if the Federal government had been doing it's job of enforcing immigration, none of this would have been necessary, now would it?

  • eenymeenymyneechic
    July 14, 2010 8:34 a.m.

    This whole thing is to be credited to a brave "whistle blower." Hold onto the risk that was taken, nevertheless, the DudleyDoRight was only bringing to the attention the many that are here in UTAH illegally. Whistle Blower, you are to be commend. I hope there is a way out to protection you from law breaking. Covert operations are to be just that. You have my thanks.

    The list of people on that list need to fess up and take their consequences. If anyone on the list is worried about deportation, then so be it. It is still illegal, and hiding only prolongs the need to honor the laws of the country in which you live.

  • A Guy With A Brain
    July 14, 2010 8:33 a.m.

    Article quote: "I'm nauseated," he said through tears. "All of these people are terrified. I don't have words to describe how scared they are. It just breaks my heart what they are telling me."

    So, why are they scared if they're NOT doing anything illegal, folks?

    This madness has to stop....

  • A Guy With A Brain
    July 14, 2010 8:29 a.m.

    Let's see...

    If you're here legally, welcome. Get a job and get to work.

    But if you're here illegally, come on in!, let me give you access to free healthcare, government assisted housing, free public education up through high school, free breakfast in the morning during school, free lunch during school, nah, you don't have to pay any taxes, that's for the legal slobs do pay, use our roads for free, use our police services for free, use our firefighter services for and free Social Security in the years to come that they didn't pay in to (they had Social Security numbers, remember?). And, as a bonus, if we catch you breaking our immigration law, we just let you go!

    Come on, liberals, that doesn't make sense to ANYONE and you know it.

    Come to America legally or don't come at all!

  • cc423
    July 14, 2010 8:29 a.m.

    This is the exact same sort of gestapo tactics the Nazis employed. And who is there next target? Gay people? Pro-choice people? People who don't vote just like them? The thing about hatred is that it continues to seep and targeting illegal immigrants will not be the end of this...

  • utah guy
    July 14, 2010 8:20 a.m.

    @Swissmiss

    I guess you haven't read the Constitution very closely. I'm sure you agree with 1st and 2nd Amendments, but after that, you can pick and choose, right?

  • Cougar Blue
    July 14, 2010 7:53 a.m.

    Good Lord have mercy. What are we witnessing here in Utah? Am I reading Mein Kampf again? We should be collectively embarassed. Such brave brave souls to have everything under cover. Despicable.

  • utah guy
    July 14, 2010 7:43 a.m.

    @hurleywake

    Because they are scared that people are tracking their every move. Can you tell an illegal from a legal immigrant by simply looking at them? How many legal immigrants or citizen are on this disgusting list? If you don't understand McCarthyism, try looking it up. This is a classic case.

  • Belching Cow
    July 14, 2010 7:24 a.m.

    Painting illegal aliens as poor victims of the greedy Americans is just plain silly. These people are criminals not poor innocent victims. We, legal American citizens, are the victims. Leave it to the liberal media to twist things till they are 180 degrees from reality.

  • Esquire
    July 14, 2010 7:09 a.m.

    An anonymous group, huh? Cowards at minimum, but more secret police-like. Reminds me of the Communist Soviet era or the Nazi regime. Is this what Utah has sunk to? We are willing to sell principles of freedom away for a little bit of perceived security, based most certainly on racism, in order the secretly gather information on people. And how do you know if a person is legal or not without actually seeing papers or other actual proof? This whole affair is revolting. It is un-American, not in accord with our values as a people. Or is it?

  • Swissmiss
    July 14, 2010 7:06 a.m.

    I sent a letter to my congressman recently stating that I did not feel anyone born to an illegal should automatically be given U.S. citizenship with all its rights and benefits.

    Note one of the illegals has given birth to four children here, ALL OF WHOM AUTOMATICALLY BECAME U.S. CITIZENS.

    When one of them is 21 years old, they can then try to bring other relatives in.

  • defibman
    July 14, 2010 7:06 a.m.

    So many comments and so few ideas of what needs to be done. How about we give them 30 days to get out of the country and then start handing out fines of $25,000 per illegal. That's at least the amount of money that each has cost the taxpayers. I feel for these people but they are here ILLEGALLY. It really has got to the point where we have to do something. They are breaking us, out children and their children. This is just not fair. I work too hard for my money and want my taxes to improve roads, schools, parks and the like. Why should I have to pay hospital bills, welfare and education for law breaking people who breed like rabbits. Do you know the figure for these costs? Billions and hundreds of billions of our tax money.

  • The Sensible Middle
    July 14, 2010 6:44 a.m.

    This is illegally obtained information. It won't be acted on.

    What these people have done is set themselves up. If they are found out, they are open to a lawsuit. There assets and homes are now at risk.

  • Pancho Villa
    July 14, 2010 6:40 a.m.

    This action takes humanity to a new low. This is such a cowardly act that the people who collected names won't even acknowledge their group.

  • danaslc
    July 14, 2010 6:39 a.m.

    So the strong message here is this. Utah Citizens, don't turn anyone in that came across our border's illegally. It could be a crime to do so. Keep your mouth shut as you see them break the law everyday by being here. Utah has taken them under there wings and you will pay for their welfare benefits, health care, free schooling for the anchor children and anything they need. Utah citizen's you will support them. You have no choice. So keep your mouth shut. (Socialism 101)

  • Reason
    July 14, 2010 6:21 a.m.

    Isn't it a shame that the fringe has to stoop to the same tactics that Nazi Germany did to create fear among the white population? All in an effort to hide their shame of destroying our economy by providing corporatations influence over government agencies and officials. Let's face it. These kinds of tactics are intended to shift focus away from the corruption within our state and federal government and place attention on people we asked to come here, by providing them with jobs. The American citizens that hire these people are breaking the law by hiring undocumented workers. Why hasn't there been an outcry regarding these employers?

  • Me an Der
    July 14, 2010 5:38 a.m.

    RE: LVIS | 1:45 p.m. July 13, 2010
    "JJJHS--Please. Give the "racial" line a rest, will ya? Today, everything is 'racial'. Even LeBron James going to Miami is being called 'racial'. It is a tired, trite, worn-out bromide that is losing all meaning."

    So let it lose its meaning. That will be a win/win for everyone.

  • kitchy
    July 14, 2010 5:35 a.m.

    Give me a break! These folks that are here illegally need to be deported. It doesn't matter who did what with a list. Do your jobs INS. It would be nice to see that happening. I notified INS about a business that was hiring illegals and to my knowledge nothing was done. Temporary services are virtually nothing but illegals and yet they continue to provide these illegals to businesses with bogus identities. If they have paperwork it is accepted as valid. They fake paperwork, a lot! JUST DO YOUR JOBS INS and then others won't have to do it for you.

  • My2Cents
    July 14, 2010 4:03 a.m.

    A failure to communicate and government to act responsible as american representatives. They and the police are handed a list of illegal foreign nationals using identity theft and now they want to cover it up. I would hope that this list did not come from any government employee, it would mean Utah has been covering up and hiding ID theft from the public.

    The list should be made public so those who own these SSN's can file complaints, they have already been compromised with the theft of information.

    Even with green cards these illegals are not given a SSN, so if they have one it is stolen.

    The real crime is that ID theft has been reported and a cover up is in progress. Herbert and ICE should be calling for a verification of the names and SSN's, that is why it was sent to them.

    It disturbs me that my ID is stolen and the thief revealed and Tony Yapis and the governor thinks its okay.

    These 1300 names represents ~$39 million theft ring looting the state tax payers and social services. Not to mention the tax evasion losses on their incomes.

  • thebigsamoan
    July 14, 2010 4:02 a.m.

    Here's my solution:

    1. Secure the dang border first and foremost.

    2. Start the process of legalizing those who are without criminal records. They are the ones we should keep. All those with criminal records must be shipped out, back to wherever they came from. It'll be a whole lot easier than sending back all 13 to 16 millions we have. I know, I know, it's not fair to those who came here legally, but it's the common sense thing to do.

    3. Start learning to live together in love and peace. Kindness and compassion one towards another is the Christlike thing to do if we are truly trying to emulate Him. Let's stop the hate!!!

  • SLars
    July 14, 2010 3:47 a.m.

    I get a kick out of the comments expressing shock at the comments. Why so surprised that people are tired of the government not enforcing laws?

    Maybe this group is upset because Americans were discriminated against while qualifying for food stamps in Utah? Where was the outcry about the injustice?

    Who is being the advocate for the Americans?

  • thebigsamoan
    July 14, 2010 3:43 a.m.

    This is a very sad and difficult problem because two wrongs doesn't make a right. I don't agree with the tactic used to compile this so called list but I can certainly understand the reason behind it. Nor do I condone the notion that just because someone is here in this country illegally, married, have kids, made a home, work and pay taxes, etc, etc, be they Hispanics or whatever, that somehow that makes it ok. All nations have laws, and those laws must be honored and enforced or they are meaningless. Anyone with common sense should know that. If you're here illegally, you're breaking the law, period, and you should not be surprised that those who are here legally have strong feelings about that.

  • anonymousuk
    July 14, 2010 2:41 a.m.

    isn't it too bad that all of those white people jumping up and down about illegal immigrants surprisingly forget history of less than two hundred years ago. robbing and stealing land that didn't belong to them. and while on the subject of illegal what about the wars your lovely president bush started. you invaded without being invited. running up and down killing people, raping, beating torturing people. americans have a long history of being illegal in other countries whenever it suits the powers that be in washington.

  • latinodecorazon
    July 14, 2010 1:53 a.m.

    So how do I know if my name is on the list? If it is how do I prove that I am an American citizen? I was born here but I don't have anything other than my birth certificate to prove that but I assume anybody who has a fake social security card probably also has a fake birth certificate. My Social Security card is not a photo id either so without an expensive background check how can anyone really prove that they are a citizen? If a single name on this list is really a legal resident then the entire list is in error. Doesn't anybody see how dangerous that would be for people to start compiling list of their neighbors and co-worker that they suspect might be doing something illegal?

  • JBrady
    July 14, 2010 1:18 a.m.

    Actually AJAX I hope American citizens keep coming forward when they think Government is not doing their job. It's the only hope of a free society. Imagine if the whistle blowers had come forth during the Nazi reign of terror, and told the world what was going on. It might of been stopped.

    We are talking about illegal activity on a massive scale unlike the world has ever seen, and it's still going on unchecked. Something is wrong here, and I don't think it's the list.

  • Jon123
    July 14, 2010 1:11 a.m.

    jsf said:

    "Most of the illegal aliens in the US are economic refugees who have fled from countries run by corrupt socialist governments"

    THAT IS NOT OUR PROBLEM!

    Let them seek refuge and better their lives in Spanish-speaking SOUTH AMERICA!!

    Jon

  • hurleywake
    July 14, 2010 1:06 a.m.

    "All of these people are terrified. I don't have words to describe how scared they are..."

    If they are here legally, what do they have to be terrified of?

  • Hillen
    July 14, 2010 1:05 a.m.

    Toni Yapias crying "tears" of concern for Hispanics.
    Ha!Ha! HA! His concern for Hispanics is as genuine as a 3$ bill. I do hope the Governor investigates.

  • Pastor88
    July 14, 2010 12:35 a.m.

    @AJAX.
    Did these citizens not do exactly the same thing you and/or other military do in your offense against the middle east? What is the difference? These folks are our enemy> They steal,kill,rape and bring illegal drugs into our country on a daily basis> Is this not terrorism?
    Did your fellow soldiers get intelligence reports so you could stop the bad guys? These people did the same thing as our government,law enforcement fail to do their duty and rid our nation of those who seek to destroy it.
    For those that believe they are just coming for a better life , get real. They have a plan about taking over the USA and making it Northern Mexico. It is a plan mnay do not believe but nevertheless they are here. Look at Texas and New Mexico. Their governments are being run by Hispanics. Some of which were pardoned illegals. We are next. Arizona scared them so they will be coming here.

  • Pastor88
    July 14, 2010 12:26 a.m.

    Picture of Illegal girl who just graduatd and is holding a baby. It begs the question, where is the father? who is the father?All these illegals are producing anchor babies at an alarming rate and no one wants to take notice. Utah is known across the country as the welfare state. Illegals as well as legals migrate to Utah to burden our system of assistance. Many Veterans are sent here from other states to get state assistance as their home states dont want to burden their coffers. check at freedom landing and see how many of those getting state assistance are from beyond our borders. There is a reason , we are a magnet for taking care of others problems. And it is easier to get assistance in Utah than any other state.
    It's time to send the bills to states and countries for assistance given

  • Ajax
    July 13, 2010 11:45 p.m.

    I am a Special Forces veteran who has willingly sacrificed much for this country. I have seen a lot, and I am stunned. As a Utahn, I can only say that I am appalled and ashamed at what those who have so brazenly compiled this list of illegal immigrants have done. They and those who support them are sick, sick people. And then to brag about it as if they were on God's errand. It reminds me of terrorists after a massacre celebrating their accomplishment.

    Hopefully this despicable act will bring Utahns to their senses on the consequences of reason-challenged political excess and mistaken loyalties.

  • utah guy
    July 13, 2010 11:39 p.m.

    @jane

    So now deporting US citizens is what you are advocating? This just gets better and better. I think I saw you drive 66 MPH on the freeway - be looking for your private data on KSL.

  • sam
    July 13, 2010 11:38 p.m.

    How does giving away free information that could be used for identity theft.=(more tax dollars lost)help American's. That's not even the worst part of this. Cowards make list's without disclosing their own identities. Say what you want about illegal immigrants taking jobs, medical care, and causing crime. The truth is there are plenty of Americans who are unwilling to work and move from one house to another trashing everything and not paying a dime for rent. If I were you, I would worry about the people, Americans or not who are not willing to work for a better America. There are many illegals who are more American than your American neighbors. look around and love your neighbor.

  • utah guy
    July 13, 2010 11:37 p.m.

    @PPpatriot

    So that makes spying on my movements okay, even if there is no probably cause that I am doing anything wrong? I guess due process just flies out the window as long as the end justifies it, right? I hope your neighbors all spy on you and give all your private information to the press the next time you are suspected of driving 26 mph through the neighborhood, forget to put your seatbelt or don't signal when you turn the corner. That's exactly what you are advocating.

    I guess we can just move all the Hispanics to ghettos and "classify" them. It worked before, it can work again, right? McCarthy was right - destroy the reputation first, then worry about due process.

    Again, I am the father of a Hispanic-looking daughter who has been tormented and teased by her white classmates her entire 12 years in school. She is as much a citizen as I am, yet it is open season on her because of how she looks. How is this "spying" any different than playground bullying?

  • JBrady
    July 13, 2010 11:37 p.m.

    Re: Tabuno, actually we post sex offenders addresses on the internet.

    Re: On the other hand, naturally to be protected by the whistle blower act, the person would have to work in that agency. That's why they are investigating government workers.

    We have people breaking the law coming here, government breaking laws by not enforcing them, and now that the other side is doing it, they are going to investigate?

  • jane
    July 13, 2010 11:25 p.m.

    This is not "Jane". Those who fear their families will be broken up because the parents are illegal have a simple solution: take their children with them.

  • PPpatriot
    July 13, 2010 11:08 p.m.

    @utah guy: On the contrary, When you are breaking the law it is my business, it is my neighbors business and it is my governments business. Any information about you, that will help in facilitating your capture, arrest and conviction can and will be used against you. If it was obtained illegally, it will be inadmissible. If it is slander or libel, it is prosecutable. In America this is known as bringing a criminal to justice.

    What is really scary is more and more Americans willing to discard the rule of law and passively sit by and watch an ever increasing spread of criminal behavior, because they are afraid to stand up and confront lawlessness. What's the next crime it's ok to overlook. How about shoplifting?

  • smbo82
    July 13, 2010 10:52 p.m.

    I used to be a registered republican, until I discovered that the free market core of the party was gone. Proof: The free market is clearly demonstrating that some jobs are currently overpaid if they can be filled for less per hour by those who do not even speak English. You blame opportunists, blame the American entrepreneurs that advantageously hire them. You guys sound like communists, let capitalism play itself out.

  • smbo82
    July 13, 2010 10:43 p.m.

    I swear I read this story somewhere else....sometime in Europe, in the late 30's. Or let's try Nauvoo 1840's.

    "The only lesson of history is that men do not learn from the lessons of history, and that is the greatest lesson of all."

    Turns out these people have more of the "American" spirit than most I meet. Would you have the courage to face possible death, dehydration, persecution, and prosecution to provide a better future for your children? I hope if anyone ever had to choose between immigration laws and securing a better future for your children you'd choose the later.

  • fyre
    July 13, 2010 10:40 p.m.

    RESPECT: I respect the freedom of speech that this group is using to declare who they have determined are illegal immigrants abusing the system.

    I respect Arizona's right to it's state rights and will of it's state citizens.

    I respect that there are individuals trying to get away from the horrible and corrupt governments South of the U.S. Border.

    I respect my garbage man, who is of obvious Latino descent, when I see he is working on days when other Latinos are in a rally demanding that the U.S. Government reform Immigration so they can bypass all the legal means to be here legally.

    I further respect him when I hear him listening to tapes in the cab of his garbage truck that are helping him learn English and specifically prepare for his U.S. citizens test.

    DESPISE: I despise representatives form the horribly corrupt drug cartel Mexican government telling us what to do.

    I despise the re-wording that one sided politicians try to create so they can call others Racists...It is not "Migration" it is "illegal immigration".

    I despise cheaters that break rules and ruin it for those families waiting legally.

  • Venture
    July 13, 2010 10:36 p.m.

    @Tabuno
    Maybe we only need one list for bigots. It would be a long list, about the size of a Utah telephone book.

  • Maggie
    July 13, 2010 10:33 p.m.

    I think it is more interesting that the state has a data base containing this information and it contains Social Security #'s.Whos' SS #'s are they?
    Employers,have the employers been fined and have we followed the law?
    Have we contacted the illegals about their illegal status?
    If, and I say if,this is a state listing should we not see some action against state employees who are responsible for ignoring state or federal laws that apply to illegals and employers who hire illegals, legal action against the person who released this list appears to be your only target.

    One more time with the illegal alien problem,you are deflecting from the real problem.The ILLEGALS.



  • utah guy
    July 13, 2010 10:17 p.m.

    @JBrady

    How would you feel if one of your employees (if you were a business owner) sent a list of all of your customers, their home information, social security numbers, etc. to KSL? It is the same thing! The government workers are entrusted to use the data at their disposal to do THE JOB THEY WERE HIRED TO DO, not to spy on people for some political vendetta. Any government employee who willingly gives out PII (look it up if you don't know what it is) should be terminated and prosecuted. You cannot start bending rules here and there to satisfy the right-wing fringe. Either everyone is protected or no one is.

  • South of the border
    July 13, 2010 10:12 p.m.

    I find this appalling. It meets the definition of terrorism as defined by Homeland Security. I agree there are problems with the immigration system but this is not the solution! What do you do with a family who legally moved here from Brazil many years ago. Their family has been raised here and do not know the "old country." After many thousands of dollars on attorney fees and many discussions with government officials they are still waiting for a resolution. Because of government delays they can be considered illegal, only because our system is so messed up. Do you just classify them as junk and deport them? NO! They are good people who are trying to do the right thing. Get the system straightened out!

  • utah guy
    July 13, 2010 10:09 p.m.

    @Houdini

    "You can spy on me all you want because I am not doing anything illegal. What are you hiding from?"

    Really? That is your retort?

    I'm as lilly white as they come with ancestors who walked from Nauvoo to be here in this valley, so I'm pretty sure I'm not hiding anything. What I do is my business, not my neighbor's, not yours, not the government's.

    I guess you can live under the guise of "people who have nothing to hide, hide nothing" but I prefer to "mind my own business" and have you mind yours. Who I associate with, who I am friends with, where I go to church, when I go to the doctor, when my wife's baby is due is none of your business.

    Sheesh, some of you with "the end justifies the means" mentality are really scary.

  • fed up
    July 13, 2010 10:04 p.m.

    Harboring -- Subsection 1324(a)(1)(A)(iii) makes it an offense for any person who -- knowing or in reckless disregard of the fact that an alien has come to, entered, or remains in the United States in violation of law, conceals harbors, or shields from detection, or attempts to conceal, harbor, or shield from detection, such alien in any place, including any building or any means of transportation.

    Encouraging/Inducing -- Subsection 1324(a)(1)(A)(iv) makes it an offense for any person who -- encourages or induces an alien to come to, enter, or reside in the United States, knowing or in reckless disregard of the fact that such coming to, entry, or residence is or will be in violation of law.

    Conspiracy/Aiding or Abetting -- Subsection 1324(a)(1)(A)(v) expressly makes it an offense to engage in a conspiracy to commit or aid or abet the commission of the foregoing offenses.

  • PPpatriot
    July 13, 2010 9:49 p.m.

    Great great idea, a true patriot, hopefully a Hispanic citizen. Should be done in every state. Criminals should live in fear. It's important to focus on the best principles of this story.

    1.Being creative and refusing to accept that nothing can be done to resist the Washington establishment.
    2. The idea can be improved, if the list included the employers and their personal information, the real problem.
    3. Give credit for the brilliant concept of having American citizens of Hispanic ancestry infiltrate these pro immigration groups. The aspect that many, maybe most Hispanic citizens want to get rid of the alien invaders who are denigrating their image, is never headlined in the press.
    4. Recognize that unemployed Hispanic citizen are having their jobs stolen also, frequently with large American families to feed. They should be turning the illegals in. After all they EARNED their citizenship.
    5. Thanks to our Hispanic citizens for your help with this illegal cancer! It's ok to be proud of being a legal American citizen.

  • Say No to BO
    July 13, 2010 9:34 p.m.

    Barbara Jordan was asked by Bill Clinton to head up a commission to study immigration reform back in 1994. Her August 1994 speech to congress is a classic.
    In part she said that the failure to enforce the law had BLURRED the line between legal and illegal.
    Don't blame the people who report the names. The fault lies with Bush and Obama and Burbank and Reid...
    We can't make Washington enforce the law but we sure can embarrass them for their failure.

  • On the other hand
    July 13, 2010 9:33 p.m.

    @JBrady, it's not whistleblowing to steal confidential information legally stored in a government database. It's corruption.

  • jepe
    July 13, 2010 9:15 p.m.

    how shameful and awful! i feel sick knowing someone did that! i feel worse reading the hate filled comments here!

  • SanAntonioreader
    July 13, 2010 9:09 p.m.

    I would rather live next door to a household of "illegals" than a household of people who would compile such a list. Shameful.

  • Led Zeppelin II
    July 13, 2010 9:03 p.m.

    Amazing how the immigrant haters dont have a problem with the ones who broke the law to obtain this list. Are they any better? Who are you to judge all illegals? True we should punish all drug dealers and crooks but every person who comes into this country and works hard to live the American dream should be able to stay. You dont know how bad the government is in other countries. It is so bad here now because of your trust in politicians and allowing them to have too much power. This list is a threat to people illegal and legal. And to all the people in our community. If you support this evil I am ashamed!

  • tabuno
    July 13, 2010 9:01 p.m.

    Who's next? Sex offenders on parole? Iranians? Iraqis? People from the Middle East? Gays and lesbians? People with HIV? Mentally ill persons? Obese people? People who smell bad? The poor - supposedly welfare mothers living off of the Federal government? Crack heads? Juvenile truants? Alcoholics? Single mothers? Perhaps we can include a list for select rich people, those rich people have who have cheated, defrauded the government, received huge tax breaks because they have money, power, and connections? Or those rich people who got off a stiff sentence because they had good lawyers? Perhaps a list of Corporations who don't care about their employees or customers, selling dangerous products and services for profit and greed? Maybe we can get somebody or government employee to follow these people and businesses?

  • John Pack Lambert of Michigan
    July 13, 2010 8:59 p.m.

    Let us see, since some of these people if deported will face living in the middle of the drugwar zone, let us require people found to have employed an undocumented immigrant as a nanny to move to compton and not allow them to have any weapons.

    You will break too many families, cause to much trouble and so on if you deport all undocumented immigrants.

    The real answer is to grant everyone here regular status and to allow free movement of labor within NAFTA, thus allowing anyone in the US, Canada or Mexico to work anywhere in the US, Canada or Mexico. We could even expand it to cover all of CAFTA as well. Then we would only have a land bridge in Panama.

    There would be a lot of benefits to this. One is it would be much easier to send missionaries to Latin America.

    The one question is would Mexico and Canada accept the results. I am not sure, but it would certainly move us towards a workable solution.

  • JMT
    July 13, 2010 8:56 p.m.

    One other note, we now see the fraud behind the claims that illegal aliens do not use the Welfare System. They have just admitted what we have known all along, and even how they do it.

    Yes, some will forge documents to claim they are citizens to get the benefits. A majority simply have a child here then the entire family will benefit. So technically NO, they do not get benefits. The child gets the benefits, which the entire family shares.

    The economist Walter Williams wrote an column that was run in the Dnews. He noted that when citizens are forced to "share" their resources with other citizens, tension and fighting happens. Thus is the welfare system. We have our tax dollars taken from us, reducing our ability to take care of our own families, and given to others. In this case, given to those who are citizens of another country.

    This is brash redistribution of wealth and it is sloppy and we are fighting over it. I don't mind my taxes going to those who really need the help, but I am tired of financing other countries around the world. Stop this practice.

  • visualasylum
    July 13, 2010 8:48 p.m.

    You could go through a phonebook and get this info! Pick out Hispanic names, make a list, invent some group, send it to the media and lawmakers and BAM! You have a fabricated scandal just in time for the election cycle! You might even try to coordinate it with another group's announcement like, say, the NAACP condemnation of the "racist" Tea Party movement! This is obviously a one-man operation. Someone has been watching too much TV! This is all done so that people become scared of voicing an opinion on hot button issues. These 1300 people are being played! Utah of all places! This is comedy, and all of you are eating it up. Stop allowing yourselves to be played with like puppets! Get ready, the word "racist" is what they hope will keep you home this coming election. It'll all come out in the open soon. But you may have a few idiotic rallies before then.

  • DeepintheHeart
    July 13, 2010 8:46 p.m.

    No matter how you feel about the question of illegal immigration, this is beyond the pale -- totally wrong. This is gestapo-like. If there are any people on that list whose real, legitimate Social Security numbers have been exposed, they are the victims of identity theft, and whoever sent this list should be prosecuted to the fullest.

  • John Pack Lambert of Michigan
    July 13, 2010 8:35 p.m.

    Those who claim "legal immigrants and US citizens have nothing to fear" are wrong. There is a reason we have the 5th Admendment. It is because under pressure you will admit a crime.

    Anyway, the US deported many citizens in the late 1920s and early 1930s. If someone is 15 and was born here, is it right to tear their family apart by deporting their parents?

    These are people. Men were endowed by their creator with certain inalienable rights, all men, not just those born north of the Rio Grande.

    I am still waiting for the calls to deport the above mentioned Scotts, or are Europeans exempted from deportation?

  • JBrady
    July 13, 2010 8:30 p.m.

    If a government employee did it, won't they be protected under the whistleblower act?

    Until the people are checked out, we won't know how many have should not be on the list. Right now it's their word against the whistleblower.

  • attentive
    July 13, 2010 8:30 p.m.

    Anyone with a legitimate social security number has been "spied on" by the government for as long as they've had the number. It's what having the number is all about - a way to track us. So, for any illegal alien who feels that they are being singled out, you aren't really - no more than anyone else, except that your name is on a list that KSL was given. Oh, and KSL doesn't have any legal authority over anyone anyway. What perturbs me is that illegal aliens say that their "rights" are being violated. WHAT rights? If you are not legally a citizen of this country then you really don't have any rights here. For everyone who doesn't want to be spied on, have you seen the cameras everywhere? Look; they're there. We are watched a lot more than we think we are and most of the time it's to protect us.

  • the longview
    July 13, 2010 8:29 p.m.

    I can't seem to verify that my ancestors legally acquired U.S. citizenship. They may have snuck over and just started living here.

    I guess you should add me to the list.

    Anyone else not sure of the legality of their parents, grandparents, great grandparents citizenship in the U.S.

    Speak up -- lets see how long the list needs to be.

  • UtahBlueDevil
    July 13, 2010 8:22 p.m.

    Truth - you ask for the same punishment for those that employee these people as you are demanding of these other Illegals, and I will take you seriously. Until then, and you only demand enforcement for one side of the illegal problem, then it has nothing to do with the acts being illegal, and more so about them being immigrants.

    Take your neighbors in for having a cheap lawn service, boycott Walmart and Tyson because they have numerous times hiring these people, and then were talking about a balanced response to this problem. If these people are getting paid, they are being paid illegally, period. Round these people up as well... as you say illegal is illegal.

  • John Pack Lambert of Michigan
    July 13, 2010 8:19 p.m.

    To Brave Sir Robin,
    Actually only 82% of undocumented immigrants in Utah are Hispanic, and that is assuming that they are no more likely to be identified as such.

    I once knew a guy from Albania who had several undocumented immigrant relatives. In New York City there are many undocumented immigrants from West Africa. There are also many from Poland, the Czech Repulic and China in various parts of the country as well as other places. The claim that even 90% of undocumented immigrants are Hispanic is false.

  • John Pack Lambert of Michigan
    July 13, 2010 8:13 p.m.

    Evidently Chris B. feels the ends justify the means. I recomend to him that he reads Elder Oaks book "The Lord's Way" that explains that such is a false view.

    We must not only work for good, but we must work for good by good methods.

  • Moderate
    July 13, 2010 8:11 p.m.

    RE: "TRUTH"
    What frightens me is your rabbid reaction to this list. Someone passes it around in an email an you are ready to swear an oath to honor the list as gospel.

    What penalty to you propose for the people on this list? Automatic deportation? What if one of the people forwarding the email adds your name and information to the list? Would you go willingly, saying "well... my name was on a list, and email never lies."

  • John Pack Lambert of Michigan
    July 13, 2010 8:05 p.m.

    "Several people on the list are infact legal residents". This does not surprise me. Any list will have flaws. Even when the government creates lists with full legality in doing so it makes mistakes.

    A dark group acting illegally to gather excessive information is likely to place even more people on the list wrongly. This is especially true if they start with the false assumption that most Latinos are undocumented immigrants.

    I wonder how many of the people are not just legal residents but native-born citizens.

  • JBrady
    July 13, 2010 8:04 p.m.

    Our government leaders can ignore immigration laws, but they can't force the rest of us.

  • John Pack Lambert of Michigan
    July 13, 2010 8:01 p.m.

    Why did they only watch Hispanics when many of the undocumented immigrants in the US are not Hispanic?

    beyond this, how can they tell who is Hispanic. I know many Hispanics who do not look it at all, yet as we learned from the Utah State incident a few years back, some of them are undocumented immigrants.

  • NewYorkRob
    July 13, 2010 7:51 p.m.

    Some comments think the "list" targets "latinos". Maybe. Maybe not. But the article show pictures of latino mothers with their children and posts responses by latino groups. Suddenly the issue morphs into "racism".

    "Racism" is no defense to breaking the law. Illegal immigrants are not here because Americans are so-called "racist". Go back to your country and knock on our front door instead of breaking in through the back door.

  • TRUTH
    July 13, 2010 7:50 p.m.

    Moderate:

    I am surprised you even know what the Constitution even is? SERIOUSLY!

    What part of ILLEGAL don't you get? If posting my bank account will clean up the problem? Sign it with your blood and I will pay the price.....

    But get off your butt and start reporting illegals and stop hiring these losers who have created IDENTITY FRAUD that you are so willing to give your life for.....Talk about hypocritical!

  • ALM
    July 13, 2010 7:47 p.m.

    Big Brother is watching

  • NewYorkRob
    July 13, 2010 7:45 p.m.

    If a small group of people are able to compile this type of list then why can't Law Enforcement do their jobs and deport these illegal immigrants?

    Everyone is condemning the "list makers". Apparently this information is not difficult to obtain. So why doesn't the government get moving?

    Korea now has a program that recommends to pregnant Korean women to visit the United States when they are due so the child would be eligible for benefits as an "American" citizen by birth.

  • CJ
    July 13, 2010 7:45 p.m.

    Great idea, let's find them all and turn the list over to ICE and send them home.Lawbreaking illegals have no rights here.

  • verily_verily
    July 13, 2010 7:37 p.m.

    We are talking about a list of 1300 people. How do you know it is not 13,000 or 130,000 of your friends family and neighbors.

    The hateful list of 1300 may not be the main target, sleep well.

  • TRUTH
    July 13, 2010 7:35 p.m.

    What is wrong with this picture....ILLEGAL is ILLEGAL!!

    If these were drug dealers, child molesters, Bernie Madoffs, or Murderers the news community would be abuzz demanding answers!!

    But to listen to KSL and the SLLIB, you would think that these illegals were somehow VICTIMS??

    They are Illegal...CRIMINALS, jail is too good for them...DEPORT THEM..

    Where do I sign up, I am volunteering for the job!

  • SLars
    July 13, 2010 7:27 p.m.

    Chief Burbank has told us he wants the citizens to report illegal behavior, and ICE has a toll free number. So that is not the issue.

    What it boils down to is the question of turning it into the police is legal, but sending it to the media is questionable. However if the person thought their might be a cover up by local police, the probably felt justified sending it to the media. Immigration and government honesty is questionable to say the least.

    Reporting social security numbers to police is fine, but again turning them into the media is questionable. Unless the numbers were stolen, some probably were.

    Final question is government employee's using state resources. They are required under Federal law to report people here illegally. The state and the Federal government tends to turn their heads on this, but the person doing this is protected under the law.

    It could end up hurting the state much more than the individual. A court case could reveal our governments hidden agenda, and looking the other way over stolen security numbers used to obtain government benefits.

    It's getting interesting.

  • soccer coach
    July 13, 2010 7:21 p.m.

    Most of the immigrants are coming to the USA for a better life. Research your white relatives and see when they came to the USA. All of us came to this land in the past, are you better just because your family came 200 years ago. Check the history of our country as well. White people came to this land and killed the inhabitants at least the immigrants now are only trying to fit in and live.

  • Moderate
    July 13, 2010 7:20 p.m.

    RE: Truth
    You probably haven't read the Constitution and may be a little unfamiliar with how our form of Government works.

    Congress passes a bill ("Enforce The Border").
    The Executive Branch (currently headed by Obama) is in charge of carrying out the law.

    But it's not free. The piece you are missing is that Congress passes the spending bills. So of course, you've written your Republican Senator and Congressman and asked them to set aside their "just say no" attitude and pass a spending bill to FUND border enforcement.

    Wait. That will take too long. How about you just post your bank account and Obama can get the money from there? You apparently favor posting people's private information.

  • EyeDeeTenTee
    July 13, 2010 7:10 p.m.

    Most of the immigrants that arrived in Utah! in 1847 and shortly after were also illegal.

    What I don't like about the current immigration situation is I don't have the freedom to agree to work for less than the federally mandated minimum wage, or the option to get paid under the table to avoid taxes, but many of our visitors from the South can do so with impunity.

    Hopefully, anyone giving away private identity information is probably going to be talking to Homeland Security soon, and hopefully they will have a simpatico cellmate.

  • one day...
    July 13, 2010 7:06 p.m.

    I have read comments like...
    "Even if the list was illegally accessed, if it's correc, what a great resource we should use to rid our state of these criminals" ...or....
    "Go back to Mexico"

    I'm illegal..I work, I speak your language, I pay taxes, I pay for healthcare, I pay for my car plates...insurance, rent, food and services...My family are US citizens already...and you called me a "criminal"??? also I'm not from Mexico, many of these "criminals" like you said are from Europe, Canada, Africa and Asia..

    You sound just like the natzis, you will share the same fate, not from us, from God

  • pharmacist
    July 13, 2010 6:59 p.m.

    If they have come legally, then they should have no fear. Only the law breakers should be full of fear.... as be right they should be.

  • UtahBlueDevil
    July 13, 2010 6:57 p.m.

    Where is the list of the employers of these people...? What, isn't it illegal to hire illegal immigrants?

    Listen, illegal immigrants are just that, illegal. I think we should do what we can reasonably to stop the problem. But the real issue is the people who knowingly hire illegals so that they can pay lower wages and pocket more money for themselves. And yet there is no out cry about that side of the issue, well, because those people look just like you and me. But if you take away the jobs, you take away the reason for illegals to be here.

    It is funny to me that the most serious problem on these peoples minds is a bunch of people who came here because they want to work. We vilify these people all the while turn a blind eye to those really profiting without the slightest comment.

    So is this about illegal activity, or hispanics. It really isn't all that clear to me. With the one sided prosecution of this, it seems to be more about hispanics than stopping illegal activity.

  • Chachi
    July 13, 2010 6:52 p.m.

    How bitterly ironic that the self-proclaimed lovers of the Constitution are attempting to usurp authority over the legitimate public authorities. They do not request; they deign to issue orders to the government!

    But they justify their illegal (and unquestionably unconstitutional) means by the ends they hope to serve. Those ends will not be served; such actions offend the sensibilities of law-abiding citizens and further ostracize extremists from the mainstream of American politics.

  • retiredmom
    July 13, 2010 6:39 p.m.

    This is what happens when our government abdicates its reesponibility to protect the country's borders. Citizens are angry at the lax government and will demonstrate that there really are simple ways for our laws to be upheld.

    Unfortunately, there are plenty of crazies out there who will do something extreme and cause harm to others.

  • jenna1218
    July 13, 2010 6:38 p.m.

    This is the most horrible thing I've heard in the news in a long time...but even worse is the incredibly brutal nature of many of the comments here. Seriously? I have associated with many of these so-called criminals, and I can guarantee you I would much prefer them in my country over you. The majority of them are hard-working, GOOD people who fiercely love their families. They don't have evil intentions. They are trying to improve their lives. I suspect many of you would do the same thing if you found yourselves in a situation where you could not find enough work to support your family. Desperate times call for desperate acts. Have some compassion, and pray that the government can come up with a decent solution to the heart of the issue. Deportation solves nothing.

  • Houdini
    July 13, 2010 6:26 p.m.

    @Utah Guy:

    You can spy on me all you want because I am not doing anything illegal. What are you hiding from?

  • DocSarvis
    July 13, 2010 6:18 p.m.

    Arizona passes a law to help stop illegal immigration, and the Obama administration sues. Anonymous Utah citizens provide a list of possible illegal immigrants, and the state of Utah wants to go after them instead of the illegals. Here's what's going on here. The Dem politicians want illegals to become legal to increase their voting base. Rep politicians want illegals to provide a huge cheap labor force. The majority of legal citizens in the US, who are against illegal immigration and want it stopped, have no say in the matter. Our government is bought and paid for, both sides, by special interest groups and motivated by self interest of politicians.

  • JBs
    July 13, 2010 6:14 p.m.

    Anonymous? That is the cowards way. If you're not ashamed of what you did, stand up and admit it. Doesn't it strike you as odd that you're reporting people that live in the shadows and you're doing the same thing? Wow, now that's impressive...

  • Pam in Illinois
    July 13, 2010 6:13 p.m.

    I think as a nation we need to do something about this very quickly. Things are starting to get out of hand. How about if we secure the borders; give all illegals 6 months to learn everything they need to know to become a US citizen and make them take a test about the constitution, etc. (Whatever the one's who do it legally have to do.) Then if they pass, they get to stay, if they don't...see ya! There might be a little more motivation to get their citizenship completed. Any illgals who do not abide by this compromise can also leave. I think this is a great compromise to just straight deportation. It is a win-win scenario.

  • nehimomma
    July 13, 2010 6:12 p.m.

    SLars

    I actually don't have an issue if someone (as an example) go and attempt to get food stamps...and things seem suspicious that they are illegal....and they are reported to the proper authorities.

    but

    making a list of people..using state agencies as the tool to get the background info (birthdates/ ss#'s ect...) and then giving that to Joe Schmo. or even sending it yourself to the press....IS ILLEGAL.

    And yes...some state agencies (such as WIC or food stamps) absolutely are going to have all that info...they are going to have everyone's name, everyone's birthdate, ss#, they make copies of your birth certificates, driver's ID, heck even your children's shot record. If your pregnant...they get that info and they do actually get your due date...and in fact you have to have a qualified agency or doctor..confirm you are pregnant when it comes to food stamps.

  • TRUTH
    July 13, 2010 5:49 p.m.

    Just goes to show you what is too come if Obama does not step up to the plate and do what the majority of Americans want....

    Enforce the border

    arrest illegals....fine/jail/deport

    Fine/jail those who hide, aid, or hire...

    PROBLEM SOLVED

  • JohnJacobJingleHeimerSchmidt
    July 13, 2010 5:45 p.m.

    From KSL
    State Rep. Steven Sandstrom, R-Orem, is drafting Utah's own version of Arizona's controversial law that cracks down on illegal immigration.
    "I think it's a wrong approach," Sandstrom said. "It sends the wrong message, and it doesn't follow the rule of law with the bill that I'm writing."


    Exactly, the RULE OF LAW, the same one you anti immigrants chant but don't want to follow.

  • utah guy
    July 13, 2010 5:44 p.m.

    As the father of a teenage daughter who we adopted at birth who looks hispanic, I wonder if she is on the list? I guess we need to give her a copy of her birth certificate to prove her citizenship to anyone who asks. This, after going through high school being called an "illegal" a s-word, a wet-word, etc. She is a citizen, but I hope you tea-partiers are following her around as she goes to college and work.

  • Suburbs of SLC
    July 13, 2010 5:37 p.m.

    So many of you really see nothing wrong with listing the names (addresses, phone numbers, number of family members) of children? Or of pregnant women who should be deported before giving birth?

  • SLars
    July 13, 2010 5:35 p.m.

    There is not much the state can do. If the list was obtained legally, it's their right to report illegal activity.

    If it was obtained by a state worker, it's not illegal for a government employee to report people here illegally, under the Federal Immigration and Nationality Act Section 8 USC 1324. The state can investigate all they want, but the employee is protected under Federal law.

    Our leaders can ignore the law, but they can't stop citizens for following them.

  • procuradorfiscal
    July 13, 2010 5:32 p.m.

    Re: "An anonymous group says it quietly watched . . . ."

    ". . . someone in state government may have compiled it illegally from state databases."

    Here's betting it's not a group, it's a lone nut.

    This kind of thing is hard to keep secret if there's more than one person involved. Few groups could've kept a lid on this long.

    And it's not a state employee.

    A state employee would know both the personal risk, and the utter futility of a cheap trick like this. Additionally, the "release" contains too much information that is not contained in state records.

    But look at the free press coverage liberal, pro-illegal activists are getting from it.

    Rule of Law supporters are the least likely perpetrators.

    Much more likely -- this is the venal, clumsy, sophomoric work of some low-level clerk in some liberal community organization, with a twisted hope of slinging a little mud.

    No thinking person would believe either the wording of the "release," or the hype of liberal commentators surrounding it.

  • ut1013
    July 13, 2010 5:26 p.m.

    @cerana

    We don't know for 100% certainty who on that list is here legally and who isn't. I'm talking about the principle of the matter. If you read the letter these "concerned citizens" wrote- they followed people, they obtained extremely personal information about them, and they planted "nationals" in social events in order to gain access to more information.

    Regardless of citizen status- no one's privacy or security should be compromised that way. You can call me an idiot all you want-it doesn't change the fact that if it can happen to them, it can happen to us. To the issue of your nephew, I'm sorry he was denied a student visa. I really am.

    But again, regardless of your stance on the immigration issue, you MUST see that the way this list was complied and then distributed is just wrong. In my mind, it doesn't help anyone or change anything. It just makes things worse.

  • MapleDon
    July 13, 2010 5:25 p.m.

    So what's the REAL concern? The "outing" of some illegals?

    The only outrage is by those who want to grant amnesty to illegals. Since they aren't citizens, they aren't entitled to the right of privacy.

    Again, what's the real concern?

    Further, what's the real reason why the Deseret Snooze and related entities are so one-sided on this issue?

  • Pro Education
    July 13, 2010 5:20 p.m.

    I suppose this is how we should have been treated when we first entered America -- weren't we illegal immigrants? Perhaps there will also be a time where we are treated the same in another country. It is a sad day when American's don't act like American's.

  • Pagan
    July 13, 2010 5:19 p.m.

    '...they infiltrate my neighborhood, they over crowd my rental house, they think my government favors them, they rob my schools resources, they make my neighborhood unsafe.' - 4:48 p.m.

    See how easy it is everyone?

    To call a minority 'them' instead of...

    'people.'

  • Foss
    July 13, 2010 5:15 p.m.

    Am I in Communist China, where neighbors spy on neighbors and no one can trust anyone?

  • Happy Valley Heretic
    July 13, 2010 5:13 p.m.

    Hallsy | 3:37 p.m. July 13, 2010
    Let's officially call this program RAID - Report All Illegals for Deportation. All in favor?

    You got an address? Hallsy don't sound american to me, so I'd like to add you to the list since no verification will be needed hope your pastey white enough to convince the local mob?

  • Mc
    July 13, 2010 5:06 p.m.

    "How did Mormons react when a list of donors to Prop8 was made public?"

    1st. Donating to a political cause is not illegal.

    2nd. What makes you think Mormons had anything to do with this?

    "How would the fair people in Utah like having there SSN reviled?"

    1st. Did you mean "revealed?"

    2nd. If the people on this list are illegal then the social security numbers revealed are not theirs and probably DO belong to people in Utah (often children) who have a right to know whose using their SSN.


  • Belching Cow
    July 13, 2010 5:04 p.m.

    @Not_Scared
    "How did Mormons react when a list of donors to Prop8 was made public?"

    Well, there is a itty bitty difference. The mormons on that list didn't do anything illegal.

  • williary
    July 13, 2010 4:58 p.m.

    I guarantee that if a neighbor/co-worker/enemy of Chris B. had given Chris's name to the "Americans" who compiled this list, and he was thus questioned by INS regarding his immigrant status, he would throw the biggest tamtrum you've ever seen. He would be completely disgraced that someone would question his "clearly" legal immigrant status.

    Those who argue that legals should have nothing to hide and should have no problem with their name being on a list like this, or being questioned about their citizenship after being stopped for speeding in Arizona, would be up in arms were it to happen to them. But they are white, so they have nothing to worry about!

  • Pipes
    July 13, 2010 4:58 p.m.

    It doesn't matter what any one says on here. People have their minds made up one way or another. Personally I believe in upholding the law. Illegals are that, illegal. Most criminals live in fear.

  • williary
    July 13, 2010 4:52 p.m.

    re: ouisc

    Do police officers only stake out Hispanic/Jewish/Caucasion/African American bars, or do they frequent any establishment believed to be contributing to DUI's?

    When at said bar, do police officers walk right over and only sit down next to Hispanic/Jewish/Caucasion/African American's who are drinking, or do they sit next to anyone they suspect of drinking too much?

    If you can't make the distinction between an officer randomly checking on bar patrons drinking, with a group of "Americans" who have compliled a list that comprises of 1)Only Hispanic names that 2)Might or might not be here illegally based on information gained from anonymous sources, there's no point arguing any longer.

  • cerana
    July 13, 2010 4:48 p.m.

    ut1013, seriously? I don't have the "right to mess with (illegal) people's freedom"? Idiot, they infiltrate my neighborhood, they over crowd my rental house, they think my government favors them, they rob my schools resources, they make my neighborhood unsafe. And you think they have the rights to be here and cause me problems? I think the yapias guy is so cunning that he is turning the heat to the illegal reporters rather than the problem itself - the illegals. My nephew just got denied a student visa to come here. I will be paying for his tuition and other needs while he is here. I am following our law so that I and my nephew won't get in trouble. Are you encouraging him to fly to Mexico and cross the borders to get here because probably he has a better chance of getting here than through a front door? You and your kind in this board is truly making me sick!

  • Independent
    July 13, 2010 4:30 p.m.

    I'm sorry, illegal immigrants had no respect for our laws when they came and stayed here illegally. They have no respect for the law when they steal social security numbers. They have no respect for the law when they evade income taxes. How can they possibly expect us to respect their privacy? How can they expect the law to protect them when they have completely disregarded it? My sympathy goes to the children, yes, but not to the parents who know exactly what they are doing and think they are above the law. If you come here illegally, you do so at your own risk.

  • red rocks
    July 13, 2010 4:29 p.m.

    First of all this list is nothing but fodder. Come forward and state who you are and what makes these people illegal. Anybody can make up a list and say what they want about any one and we acredit them by putting it in the media.

  • JohnJacobJingleHeimerSchmidt
    July 13, 2010 4:28 p.m.

    Hallsy | 3:37 p.m. July 13, 2010
    Let's officially call this program RAID - Report All Illegals for Deportation. All in favor?

    Raid as in what is used on roaches? The Nazis spoke of the Jews as less than human, that allowed them to carry out the Holocaust, it allowed genocide in Rawanda. You think that is funny Hallsy?

    As a US Citizen and a Mormon, I find this list despicable, we know not the source of this. This list can only lead to intimidation and harassment which is not within the rule of law.

    The people who support this list are supporting the same lawlessness and vigilantism that they claim to decry. It is hate and bigotry and it is ugly.

    As I have stated before, the day will come when American citizens with Latino heritage will outnumber caucasians and when you caucasians start calling for fair treatment, it will fall on deaf ears. It will happen sooner than you think.

  • Not_Scared
    July 13, 2010 4:24 p.m.

    How did Mormons react when a list of donors to Prop8 was made public? We know you aren't racist. You only included Hispanic names, two of which were checked out by other newspaper and discovered to be here legally.

    How would the fair people in Utah like having there SSN reviled?

  • Not_Scared
    July 13, 2010 4:18 p.m.

    "May the rest of the country join Arizona and get rid of the 21 million + illegals." There are 11,000,000. Down from 12,000,000.

    "Over the past year, Immigration and Customs Enforcement has conducted audits of employee files at more than 2,900 companies. The agency has levied a record $3 million in civil fines so far this year on businesses that hired unauthorized immigrants, according to official figures. Thousands of those workers have been fired, immigrant groups estimate.

    Employers say the audits reach more companies than the work-site roundups of the administration of President George W. Bush. The audits force businesses to fire every suspected illegal immigrant on the payroll– not just those who happened to be on duty at the time of a raid – and make it much harder to hire other unauthorized workers as replacements. Auditing is “a far more effective enforcement tool,” said Mike Gempler, executive director of the Washington Growers League, which includes many worried fruit growers."

    Why do you think Fox News never reported the facts?

  • Viva la Migra
    July 13, 2010 4:17 p.m.

    So I guess we can thank Tony Yapias for confirming that this list does indeed contain names of illegal aliens. It probably only represents 0.5% of the illegal population of Utah, but it might be a start.

    I wonder if he compiled this list himself in a pathetic effort to to garner more sympathy for illegals. Did anyone check to see whether or not people were called by Tony before the list came out?

    Is Tony violating laws himself by attempting to warn illegal aliens? Would that constitute aiding and abetting?

  • ouisc
    July 13, 2010 4:16 p.m.

    Police hang out near the bars late at night. Isn't that profiling? This profiling has led to families getting torn apart, as the father gets hauled away from his family for his DUI, followed by 6 months in jail. Why are we not sympathetic to this father or his family? Why would we tolerate the police profiling those who frequent a bar? Illegal immigration is a more serious crime than a DUI, yet so many tolerate illegal immigration.

  • Not_Scared
    July 13, 2010 4:15 p.m.

    "Does this list have names of Canadians and European illegal immigrants too or is it just targeted at Latino names?"

    "The list includes their birth dates, telephone numbers and addresses. In a few cases, the list also included Social Security numbers and employers. Almost every surname is Latino."

    "Liberals will not do anything about immigration. They want amnesty because amnesty is Democrat voter registration pure and simple."

    We have the Hispanic vote because your racist views forced them out of the GOP. Obama has the Hispanic vote locked up. He's not going to offend organized labor.

    You folks believing anything Fox keeps telling you.

    Show some respect for god by using the brain he gave you.

  • ut1013
    July 13, 2010 4:06 p.m.

    Regardless of where you stand on the immigration issue, this is crossing the line. I understand people are frustrated, laws aren't perfect and emotions run high. But is this what we are coming to? Infiltrating social events to gather information? Taking whatever means necessary to point fingers and blacklist our fellow man? Some people on this list may be here illegally, but a good majority not. What has happened to their privacy, their freedom, their sense of security? If the shoe were on the other foot, how would you feel? Violated? Hurt? Betrayed? Afraid?

    It is not the responsibilty or the right of any "concerned citizen of America" to take the law into their own hands and black list hundreds of people-whether they have "evidence" or not. Cracking down on illegal immigration is not your job. You have the right to have an opinion and to voice it. You don't have the right to mess with people's freedoms and their lives. 21st Century McCarthyians...hide behind your mask of hatred, cower in your corner of cowardice and bask in your bile of bitterness. Thank goodness we aren't all like you.

  • ouisc
    July 13, 2010 4:04 p.m.

    Police hang out near the bars late at night. Isn't that profiling? This profiling has led to families getting torn apart, as the father gets hauled away from his family for his DUI, followed by 6 months in jail. Why are we not sympathetic to this father or his family? Why would we tolerate the police profiling those who frequent a bar? Illegal immigration is a more serious crime than a DUI, yet so many tolerate illegal immigration.

  • praxis
    July 13, 2010 4:03 p.m.

    Tony Yapias, "...spent much of Tuesday calling people on the list..."

    It was reported that not all of the names are hispanic. But I wonder, did he only call those with hispanic surnames?

    There are illegal immigrants from all countries and yet everything I hear from Yapias is only about hispanics. If he is truly interested in the plight of illegal immigrants, he would be worried about help ALL. But, then... what do you expect from a former Utah director of La Raza (The Race), one of the most racist organizations there is. Their motto is EVERYTHING for the hispanic race, above all others.

  • jim l
    July 13, 2010 3:58 p.m.

    This is just another smoke screen trying to hide the real problem or somehow make us feel sorry for the illegals. We need to seal the borders and they need to leave. I cant afford to pay for their free ride here anymore.

  • nehimomma
    July 13, 2010 3:55 p.m.

    Has Utah lost there mind.

    It's illegal...period to generate a list like this. Really the state should be shaking right now...cause those on the list...can now sue the state...if they can prove that some if not all of the list was compiled by state workers or using state computer or personal files. Fairly certain they have signed some kind of agreement to not give/sale/lend that personal info...with your local minutemen/tea party/whoever is behind this.

    Seriously...they had social security numbers...I don't know about you...but I don't think I could schmooze my neighbor enough to get that out of them.

    ACLU is probably doing a jig right now...cause they get to sue the state again.

    There is never any good that comes from the root of hatred..PERIOD. And I hope it bites the state in the butt.

  • raybies
    July 13, 2010 3:51 p.m.

    Just wanna add my 2 cents. The idea of this list is despicable, and those involved loathsome. I am really saddened by this sort of nonsense.

  • Hallsy
    July 13, 2010 3:37 p.m.

    Let's officially call this program RAID - Report All Illegals for Deportation. All in favor?

  • Independent
    July 13, 2010 3:32 p.m.

    "Shall we be like the McCarthy's of the 1950 spying on our neighbors and reporting them to the government?"

    No, but should we jut look the other way when we catch someone using a stolen social security number? If I suspected my neighbors were stealing electronics and storing them in their garage, should I just ignore it? Are we supposed to make things as comfortable as possible for illegal aliens?

  • Hallsy
    July 13, 2010 3:31 p.m.

    Who do we contact to contribute to this list? It sounds like only about 1% of the work has been done so far . . . let's all work together to make ths list complete.

  • nehimomma
    July 13, 2010 3:30 p.m.

    Has Utah lost there mind.

    It's illegal...period to generate a list like this. Really the state should be shaking right now...cause those on the list...can now sue the state...if they can prove that some if not all of the list was compiled by state workers or using state computer or personal files. Fairly certain they have signed some kind of agreement to not give/sale/lend that personal info...with your local minutemen/tea party/whoever is behind this.

    Seriously...they had social security numbers...I don't know about you...but I don't think I could schmooze my neighbor enough to get that out of them.

    ACLU is probably doing a jig right now...cause they get to sue the state again.

    There is never any good that comes from the root of hatred..PERIOD. And I hope it bites the state in the butt.

  • Pagan
    July 13, 2010 3:24 p.m.

    'If they will break that law (immigration), what other laws will they break?' - 2:47 p.m.

    Leave headless bodies around Az?

    Oh, no. Wait. That was a lie by Az Gov. Jan Brewer.

    '...the Washington Post's Dana Milbank noted that Arizona Republican governor Jan Brewer, a strong proponent of her state's controversial immigration bill, has claimed that Arizona's "law enforcement agencies have found bodies in the desert either buried or just lying out there that have been beheaded." - CBS News - by Brian Montopoli - 01/09/10

    Whe the state corenor was contacted, he could not support Brewer's claim.

  • John Stewart Pill
    July 13, 2010 3:22 p.m.

    Wow. This is one of the most disgusting things I've ever heard of. Wow. Incredible.

  • turnthetides
    July 13, 2010 3:21 p.m.

    I don't like this list. I hope it doesn't fall into the wrong hands. We should be grateful that whoever made the list turned it into authorities instead of acting on it.

    This sort of vigilante action cannot be allowed in an orderly nation. I'm very conservative, and support strict immigration laws. I support Arizona in their attempts at securing AT LEAST their border. I don't mean to say that the creator of this list is not responsible for his/her actions, but it comes as a result of Federal inactivity.

    You can't expect our "power to the people" society to sit idly by and watch our government do nothing. Republicans or Democrats; it doesn't matter. People are fed up and its showing. The government needs to do its job before people like this ACT on these lists.

  • just sayin'
    July 13, 2010 3:16 p.m.

    I guess all the "good" feelings from taking the sacrament sunday are out the window come monday! wow alot of hate in "this" community.

  • JohnJacobJingleHeimerSchmidt
    July 13, 2010 3:14 p.m.

    The day will come when people of US Citizens of Latino heritage outnumber caucasians in this country and then you will know what it is like to be treated like the way caucasians treat non white people now. You reap what you sow in how you treat them now. As a neutral party, I look forward to seeing this.

  • utah guy
    July 13, 2010 3:12 p.m.

    @itsjustme

    How do you have PROOF that the people on that "list" are illegal? Just because their neighbors think so? The government should now "round up" all of these people based on their neighbors suspicions? Do you really not see a problem with that? People are innocent until PROVEN guilty, not suspected of being guilty by their paranoid neighbors.

  • cocosweet
    July 13, 2010 3:12 p.m.

    Apparently people haven't read that there were names on the list of legal residents! The "list" is not something the state HAS, but someone created using, most likely, state database information. THAT is illegal. Hope who ever did it loses their job (and has the picture in the news).

  • Cameron
    July 13, 2010 3:12 p.m.

    @itsjustme | 2:54 p.m.

    Note to all of the hardened hearts: stealing private information, for any reason, is a crime.

  • Evets
    July 13, 2010 3:10 p.m.

    He's making a list.
    He is checking it twice.
    He is going to find out who has benn naughty or nice....

    Someone is going to get coal in their stocking...or worse....

  • utah guy
    July 13, 2010 3:10 p.m.

    @Independent

    Lame argument. How do you KNOW the guy down the street has committed a crime simply because he is Hispanic?

    A person buglarizing a home is OBVIOUSLY committing a crime.

    Conjecture does not equal proof.

  • utah guy
    July 13, 2010 3:07 p.m.

    @UtahnativeinliberalCA

    "If you have not broken any LAWS then there should not be any worry from any such list. If you have BROKEN ANY LAWS then you should pay the penalties required."

    So if your neighbors followed you around and tracked your movement and reported it to the government and the press, you'd be okay with that? They could follow you to church, to the grocery store, to the doctor's office, and you wouldn't mind? I know a right to privacy isn't explicitly spelled out in the constitution, but come on, this is over the top, even for tea partiers.

  • Cameron
    July 13, 2010 3:05 p.m.

    @UtahnativeinliberalCA | 2:40 p.m.

    Laws were broken in order to compile this list.

  • Pagan
    July 13, 2010 3:03 p.m.

    'May the rest of the country join Arizona and get rid of the 21 million + illegals' - Parkite1 | 2:43 p.m.

    Really?

    I thought it was '12 million?'

    Did that number suddenly double when a democrat was elected presient?

    Or is someone lying?

  • utah guy
    July 13, 2010 3:01 p.m.

    @Ken

    First off, I'm not your bud. I couldn't disagree with you more

    Data collected by the state government are mission specific and not intented to be released to the public. PII is protected by state and federal laws. Governemnt employees DO NOT get to release PII unless subpoened by a court with a warrent signed by a judge. Your (and every else's) data held by the state is not public record for employees to spy on and release to whomever they choose. As a military and federal employee who has dealt with personnel and personal data for over twenty five years, I have some expertise in this area.

    If a police officer obtains incriminating evidence illegally, that evidence is thrown out and is inadmissable in a court. Same here, illegally obtained data is illegal.

    Think about it. Who is spying on you? Who is looking at your records deciding what information release to the press? Who is following you around? It doesn't creep you out even a little?

  • lost in DC
    July 13, 2010 2:57 p.m.

    legal immigrants and US citizens have nothing to fear. That Yapias' group was terrified means the majority of them are illegal.

  • Cameron
    July 13, 2010 2:55 p.m.

    @utah guy | 1:57 p.m.

    Agreed. I was trying to point out that the lesser of the two evils was someone accessing the state database. If people really are stalking latinos in order to compile this kind of list...then holy cow.

  • Pagan
    July 13, 2010 2:54 p.m.

    'If you have not broken any LAWS then there should not be any worry from any such list.' - 2:40 p.m.

    Native, ever been pulled over for NOT speeding?

    Oh, look!

    Tail lights out...

  • C. Darwin
    July 13, 2010 2:54 p.m.

    This dispells the notion that illegals are only here for a better life and they are hard workers. They only want to milk the system dry and then they will return to their homelands with a big smile. I know that illegals access the welfare, medical and education systems. How do I know? Because I helped them do it untill I could not live with myself anymore. There are many ways that illegals are taught to beat the system and get benefits they do not deserve.

  • itsjustme
    July 13, 2010 2:54 p.m.

    If someone can access a list of individuals that are in this country illegally, why can the Federal Government not use this same list to round up all of these criminals? Note to all of the bleeding hearts: Being in this country illegally, for any reason, is a crime.

    ICE needs to step up to the plate and start doing its' job. As a taxpaying citizen, I deserve to have the job done, and done correctly. (For my safety, and that of my fellow citizens.)

  • Independent
    July 13, 2010 2:52 p.m.

    "This list is not a legal document and has been obtained as a list for lynch mobs."

    Actually it states clearly in the article that the list was for INS. We should be thanking them for doing their duty as citizens and reporting crime. Tell you what. Why don't you put a sign on your house that says if you see someone breaking in, do not call the police. We wouldn't want to put those burglars in any danger.

  • Pagan
    July 13, 2010 2:52 p.m.

    'Pagan - are you arguing that our immigration policy should be "dont ask, dont tell"?' - Counter Intelligence | 2:28 p.m.

    Funny, I didn't SAY that anywhere.

    But to answer very much your question CI...

    since it is your question, not based on anything I have indicated or said, more of your assumption into my character....

    'no'.

    Do you?

    Because I'm against 'Don't Ask, Don't Tell' too.

  • Screwdriver
    July 13, 2010 2:52 p.m.

    I'm pushing for 100% IRS audits myself. Anyone who cheats on thier taxes should be deported.

    I'm working on a list myself. It has a lot of republicans on it so far.

  • CWEB
    July 13, 2010 2:49 p.m.

    Early leaders of the LDS Church tell of a time when the US will fall into Anarchy...

    Just another step toward that....Hate your neighbor.

    Each and every one of us will stand before the Lord. Every knee will bow.

    I hope to be on the side that gave everyone the benefit of the doubt.

  • williary
    July 13, 2010 2:48 p.m.

    re: The Rock

    "Liberals will not do anything about immigration. They want amnesty because amnesty is Democrat voter registration pure and simple."

    Yep. But luckily the Republicans had 6 years controlling both houses of Congress and the White House and were quick to address the issue of illegal immigration!

    Oh, yeah, never mind! This only became a national security threat when a Democrat got into the White House!

  • Independent
    July 13, 2010 2:48 p.m.

    "This is racial targeting plain and simple."

    So there AREN'T a huge number of Hispanic illegal aliens? They get a pass on immigration laws, because they're Hispanic? Is that how it's supposed to work?

  • CWEB
    July 13, 2010 2:47 p.m.

    Oh...sooo FUNNY.

    An ILEGAL list committing the same misdemeanor the illegals broke coming into the US. Deport anyone who used illegal information! If they will break that law, what other laws will they break????

  • Pagan
    July 13, 2010 2:46 p.m.

    'If this information belonged to the state, why didn't they use it first?' - 2:14 p.m.

    Because it's an anonymous source?

    Hey, this illegal alien told me that your an illegal alien.

    And a communist.

  • Independent
    July 13, 2010 2:45 p.m.

    Why is it against the law for the state to report people they know are illegal immigrants to INS? I sat in the Social Security Office once and listened as a hispanic woman as she received several stolen social security numbers over the phone to "try." And you want to argue that reporting this would make me the bad guy?

    I understand that it is illegal to access this information in state data bases, but my question is, why if the state has this information that was obtained legally and that obviously proves that people are illegal immigrants are we not using it to deport them? Why are we angry at someone for reporting a crime to the proper authorities? Isn't that what good citizens do? It sounds like this is all legally-obtained information. When I register my car, renew my license, register for a state school, etc. I am giving them personal information. How is this any different than an illegal immigrant doing the same thing?

  • Parkite1
    July 13, 2010 2:43 p.m.

    Fantastic! This needs to be done throughout our country. Imagine if we were illegals in France, England, Saudia Arabia, guess what would happen to us. Thank heavens for Arizona standing up to a worthless Obama and his pathetic liberal administration. May the rest of the country join Arizona and get rid of the 21 million + illegals. Anyone that wants to become a LEGAL citizen should do it the right way and we should insist all citizens learn ENGLISH and make it the national language. Quit publishing phone books in Spanish, and quit pressing #2 for Spanish. Seal the borders, impeach Obama and no amnesty!!!

  • utah guy
    July 13, 2010 2:42 p.m.

    @The Rock

    "The Obama administration reportedly has a policy not to prosecute voter fraud committed by certain groups. No more double standards."

    Reported by who? Source?


    "Liberals will not do anything about immigration. They want amnesty because amnesty is Democrat voter registration pure and simple."

    The Repubs have a great track record as well. If I remember correctly, a Republican president gave amnesty to illegal immigrants. If you remember correctly, he was the patron saint of Republicans.

    So now you want the government spying on everyone as well as everyone's neighbors. When does it end? I don't want ANYONE spying on me!

  • jplant
    July 13, 2010 2:41 p.m.

    I can't believe the hate I continually read in the comments section of the Deseret News. I am ashamed that this type of behavior is in the Utah culture and community. I live in Massachusetts and am an avid reader of the Deseret News, but I believe I have to stop, not because of the reporting but how sickened I am by the comments.

  • UtahnativeinliberalCA
    July 13, 2010 2:40 p.m.

    If you have not broken any LAWS then there should not be any worry from any such list. If you have BROKEN ANY LAWS then you should pay the penalties required.

  • JohnJacobJingleHeimerSchmidt
    July 13, 2010 2:39 p.m.

    Don't try to divert this issue with that idiot Lebron James and the bigger Idiot Jesse Jackson.

    This list is not a legal document and has been obtained as a list for lynch mobs.

    As I have stated before, the immigration situation needs to be taken care of. These kinds of scare tactics and unconfirmed lists and racial intimidation are UNAMERICAN.

  • Ken
    July 13, 2010 2:35 p.m.

    utah guy,

    If the list was accessed illegally, that doesn't mean that the list itself is illegal. Someone WITHIN THE STATE GOVT compiled this list and then it appears someone else distributed it to the public.

    The list itself is not against the law. The state should be using the list IT CREATED to enforcement of our laws.

    sorry bud - your attempt at striking down the list failed.

  • Koncerned citizen
    July 13, 2010 2:34 p.m.

    Lynch mobs? No one needs to be hurt, just deported as is just!!!

  • jsf
    July 13, 2010 2:33 p.m.

    Most of the illegal aliens in the US are economic refugees who have fled from countries run by corrupt socialist governments. I am not a believer in amnesty, but there should be a way to register, document and help return these people to their contries of origin, along with helping remove the corruption that exists. Register them at the border as they come across. It is time to put pressure on calderon and his administration to fix the real problems.

  • Koncerned citizen
    July 13, 2010 2:26 p.m.

    If you saw someone breaking into your neighbors home, would you call the police?? how is this any different?

  • mindy79
    July 13, 2010 2:26 p.m.

    The crime does not fit this kind of punishment. We have a bill of "inalienable human" rights and while registering and being transparent with your host governemnt is essential, these compilers are anything but transparent and don't regard the actual equivalence of the human impact is from their own level of "vigilence" to "purge" "people" from the "system" when they themselves step over the line (far enough) to "take the law into your own hands" which in this country where we claim to honor representative law we think that due diligence in the courts and even on the streets with their limits on what police pursue out of respect for its ultimate seriousness and consequence, we go literally hunting people down as if their impact is as great as they say. I am an American and I too claim to know what it is talking about and "love" it, which is why I too am incensed at people who get incensed to the point that they make things imbalanced and unchecked. The conspirators are not these generally family-connected people who come here to survive. They are the ones literally conspiring to drive them out "legal" or no.

  • demutahn
    July 13, 2010 2:25 p.m.

    What a bunch of cowards. This "secret group" is nothing more than ignorant racist conservatives. Its profiling, its segrigating and its pathetic. If you disagree you're wrong.

  • tom_e
    July 13, 2010 2:22 p.m.

    I have very mixed feelings about this. On one hand I think that those that are in this country are cheaters of the worst kind. Nothing anybody says would let me welcome them here no matter how bad things were in their home countries.

    On the other hand to accuse an individual of something without proof is wrong. It is the job of law enforcemet (even the S. L. police chief) to determine if someone is here illegally. And if they are not welcome the send them home.

  • williary
    July 13, 2010 2:21 p.m.

    re: Brave Sir Robin

    And if you're not adult enough to understand that 100% of "possible" illegal immigrants on this list will be Hispanic simply because they are the easiest target, and that in itself is racial profiling to the tee, stop wasting our time.

    I have a mother-in-law, and a sister-in-law that no longer have valid green cards. Both work and pay taxes. Neither is on the welfare system. And yet, they will never be questioned on this list or under a law similar to Arizona. Both were born in Scotland, and are caucasion. If you can't see the racism in that, you're clearly not a very intelligent person.

  • Koncerned citizen
    July 13, 2010 2:21 p.m.

    Has any one ever heard of a citizens arrest??? These people have broken and are and will continue to break the law. This is a serious matter, its not like a speeding ticket. It is identity theft,its tresspassing, its fraud, its a breach of homeland security. its a threat to our future. I am sick of hearing every one feeling sorry for the poor helpless illegals.hasnt any one else heard of the plan to over run the united states? Wake up america!!!

  • Brother Chuck Schroeder
    July 13, 2010 2:20 p.m.

    Group spreads list of 1,300 illegal immigrants in Utah. Utah is either pounding their chests or scratching their heads. Why are they so prone to project their faults onto others?. Their sheer extent of their rationalization and enthusiasm in attacking others is astonishing. I to also read somewhere, about Utah who see the mote in the eyes of others but fail to see the beam in their own?. That's called hypocrites. They call themself a Red State, but don't push this?. How President Eisenhower Deported Illegal Aliens and Secured the Border. Fifty-three years ago, when newly elected Dwight Eisenhower moved into the White House, America's southern frontier was as porous as a spaghetti sieve. As many as 3 million illegal migrants had walked and waded northward over a period of several years for jobs in Utah, California, Arizona, Texas, and points beyond. President Eisenhower cut off this illegal traffic. He did it quickly and decisively with only 1,075 United States Border Patrol agents - less than one-tenth of today's force. Just ask yourself, what did their own Hatch and Bennett do here, better yet, ask what the people in Utah also did?.

  • formerUT
    July 13, 2010 2:20 p.m.

    And people wonder why I left UT (and yes--I'm "legal"). Right wing "conservativism" is just a ploy to be as lawless and facist as any Nazi member of the Gestapo. That is what such "I'm above the law but everyone else isn't" type of thinking does in the end.

    I am beyond disgusted by this behavior. I personally hope that those who "made" the list have charges brought up against THEM for making slanderous statements.

    Ya--and people in UT are so Christ-like? Certainly not these people (and about half who commented).

  • The Rock
    July 13, 2010 2:14 p.m.

    If this information belonged to the state, why didn't they use it first?

    Either enforce the law or remove it from the books.
    We must stop enforcing some laws and looking the other way with others.

    The Obama administration reportedly has a policy not to prosecute voter fraud committed by certain groups. No more double standards.

    Liberals will not do anything about immigration. They want amnesty because amnesty is Democrat voter registration pure and simple.

  • cocosweet
    July 13, 2010 2:11 p.m.

    If this "group" accessed state databases that is illegal. Illegal is illegal (right?) or only if your an illegal alien?

  • Sutton
    July 13, 2010 2:11 p.m.

    Brave Sir Robin, did you know that 99.9% of statistics are made up on the spot...

  • utah guy
    July 13, 2010 2:11 p.m.

    So you guys have no problem with people spying on each other? You wouldn't care if some guy was following you around watching as you went to your office, watched what you did at home, watched where you went to worship, followed your pregnant wife around and told everyone when her baby was due, simply because of how you look?

    If you have no problem being spied on, then more power to you. I have MAJOR problems with litle McCarthys like this who have nothing better to do.

  • blue dot!
    July 13, 2010 2:10 p.m.

    "Quick, grab your rope and pitchforks. Burn em! Hang em! Get em all."

    Wow. These are human beings.

    The first step to man doing unspeakable evil to his fellow man, is for him to first marginalize others as less than himself.

  • Pagan
    July 13, 2010 2:08 p.m.

    '99.9% of illegal immigrants are Latino - that's a fact.' - 1:49 p.m.

    Robin, where did you get this fact?

    The minute men?

  • Koncerned citizen
    July 13, 2010 2:06 p.m.

    I do not agree with singling out hipsanics but, hell, we gotta start somewhere. 1300 is just a tiny tip of the iceberg.

  • Parkite1
    July 13, 2010 2:05 p.m.

    Fantastic, this needs to happen through-out the country! Illegals should have NO VOICE and it is pathetic that the Government didnt do something decades ago about kids being born here becoming defacto citizens. Let's see maybe we should go live as illegals in France, or England, or Saudia Arabia and guess what would happen to us in each country. Thank heavens for Arizona standing up to the worthless Obama and his liberal cronies. 21 million + illegals and we wonder why our country is going down the toilet...hey but it's 21 million + future democrats if this terrible amnesty is granted!

  • Pagan
    July 13, 2010 2:03 p.m.

    'So do do you think anything will happen from this list?' - 1:34 p.m.

    Mobs and pitchforks come to mind.

    Hey! You! By the salsa dip!

    Illegal alien.

  • JohnJacobJingleHeimerSchmidt
    July 13, 2010 2:01 p.m.

    It is incredible that so many here are willing to form lawless lynch mobs to go after these people from a dubious list with no certification.

  • Ken
    July 13, 2010 1:59 p.m.

    I'M FURIOUS if this is true. Furious that the state has had this list for how long and isn't doing anything with it? Do something gov't! Protect our state! Go get these lawbreakers and send them back to Mexico!

  • utah guy
    July 13, 2010 1:57 p.m.

    @Cameron

    If a government employee releases Personally Identifiable Information (PII) they should be immediately terminated and brought up on criminal charges.

    PII is no joke and if a government employee is releasing it to anyone outside the scope of their employment, then they need to reap those consequences. What is to keep that employee or those employees from releasing your PII to the media complete with your SSN? Unbelievable!

  • JohnJacobJingleHeimerSchmidt
    July 13, 2010 1:56 p.m.

    'An anonymous group says it quietly watched Hispanics in their neighborhoods, schools, churches and "public welfare buildings" to compile a list of 1,300 people it says are illegal immigrants.' - Article


    That is not the RULE OF LAW the people seeking to get rid of illegal immigrants claim to live by. This is targeted toward ethnic Latino people and amounts to a hate crime. This is not based on documentation or law and order but on skin color and ethnic targeting.

    I am a US Citizen and this type of behavior makes me sick and disgusted. This is not the way to fix the illegal immigration situation.

  • utah guy
    July 13, 2010 1:53 p.m.

    @Chirs B

    "Even if the list was illegally accessed, if it's correc(t), what a great resource we should use to rid our state of these criminals."

    I guess you absent when they taught law in law school.

    Utah bigotry reaches new lows. How proud you all must be. Time to hang some more tea bags from your hats.

  • Pagan
    July 13, 2010 1:52 p.m.

    'Even if the list was illegally accessed...' - 1:26 p.m.

    It's 'ok' because, even though it can't be used in a court of law...

    we don't need reasons to hate.

  • gb97
    July 13, 2010 1:52 p.m.

    Chris B,
    There is no way to verify the accuracy of the list. Even if law enforcement could identify who was legal and illegal on it, this type of source would never hold up in court. It definitely lacks probable cause.

    I don't get who would want to do this and who has the time to do this. I understand there are a lot of people opposed to illegal immigration, but people going to this extent should find a more productive use of their time and skills. Should I start creating lists of every license plate of a car that I see committing a traffic violation?

  • utah guy
    July 13, 2010 1:50 p.m.

    @Chris B

    Let's get to work doing what? Shall we be like the McCarthy's of the 1950 spying on our neighbors and reporting them to the government? Shall we round everyone suspected of being illegal and put them in corrals and force them to live in Topaz or some other lovely place like Manazanita, CA while we sort out their status all based on conjecture? Shall we force them into ghettos while we decide what to do with them and make them all wear brown armbands?

    How about some acutal solutions to this extemely complex issue that require more than four words to solve.

    I hope whoever the State employee is who is releasing this information is immediately fired and brought up on charges for releaseing PII information and derelection of their duties. If you don't know what PII is and why it is so important, look it up for yourself.

  • Brave Sir Robin
    July 13, 2010 1:49 p.m.

    John, how many illegal Canadian and European immigrants do you think are out there?

    99.9% of illegal immigrants are Latino - that's a fact. So a list containing 99.9% Latinos is not racial targeting - it's simply reflective of the actual distribution.

  • I_Love_America
    July 13, 2010 1:46 p.m.

    Find out if they have used someones Social Security Number. that is fraud and should be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law.

    What is so hard to understand about Illegal. Why does a community group have to bring this to the attention of the law. Shouldn't our government be doing this!

    Thier is no crime in being an American citizen fighting crime. We have crime watches in our neigborhoods.

    The Federal Government has turned a blind eye to the problem so someone has to do something.

  • LVIS
    July 13, 2010 1:45 p.m.

    JJJHS--Please. Give the "racial" line a rest, will ya? Today, everything is 'racial'. Even LeBron James going to Miami is being called 'racial'. It is a tired, trite, worn-out bromide that is losing all meaning.

  • mindy79
    July 13, 2010 1:45 p.m.

    I would worry less about what these people are doing to "our" "stuff", as if "constitutional-ists" represent everyone in the United States because they are "vigilant" people (manic fervor - no matter how well demeanored and rationalized). They may not be "crazy", but they are dangerously reactive (despite what they view as "proactive") and are doing something that violates a more basic human boundary than the United States border). It may be found legally defensible, but that doesn't make it right and best. Being overly self-protective is a form of selfishness itself in the end. It is not negligence that calls for metered and equal action to enforcement with co-equal and coinciding adaptation of the regulations that don't reflect the realities that lead to these situations and doing two wrongs by disrupting families (regardless of their exact legal composition) doesn't make a right.

  • Chris B
    July 13, 2010 1:42 p.m.

    typo

    would "you"

  • Chris B
    July 13, 2010 1:42 p.m.

    JohnJacob,

    If you had a list of bank robbers from salt lake but not a list of bank robbers from Ogden would not throw away the list from salt lake because you were angry it didn't also include those from Ogden?

  • cocosweet
    July 13, 2010 1:38 p.m.

    It certainly does sound like this was pulled from some sort of State database. The information was private and the act despicable... using that information for your own private vendetta.

    What if it had been a list of people who've had speeding tickets? or a list of those who have a concealed handgun permit? My point being that this is wrong on many levels.

    It is a shame our country has sunken so low to follow all the hysteria on illegal immigration. It is a problem? yes, but has it been an overwhelming problem? After all this has been problem for a very, very long time. Even worse our legislature is now pandering to this hysteria by passing laws that have no meaning (i.e. the e-Verify bill that Buttars wanted as a voluntary only program... and that is going to help how?).

  • williary
    July 13, 2010 1:35 p.m.

    Wow. The "Group" ought to have the guts to put their real title on the letter. But I guess if they had written "Utah Gestapo" it might have ruffled some feathers.

    Such a disgrace. As an accountant, perpahs I'll start a list of known tax cheats and provide the IRS.

  • patriotandmore
    July 13, 2010 1:34 p.m.

    So do do you think anything will happen from this list?
    The only the that will occur is the government will get its hands on it and make sure each person on the list has proper instruction on how to apply for welfare, free medical, school benefits and social security. Isn't the U. S. a great place to live when your an illegal alien?

  • scambuster
    July 13, 2010 1:33 p.m.

    The cowards who made this list should quit hiding and own up to it. KSL has already proven that some names listed are not those of illegal immigrants. This sounds like a list born of racial profiling and would only make people like Heinrich Himmler proud.

  • TRUTH
    July 13, 2010 1:32 p.m.

    Hurt them? Hurt them how Tony with BATS and CLUBS?....Quit lying to them, Tony! Deportation is not hurtful, but lets hope its permanent!

  • Cameron
    July 13, 2010 1:29 p.m.

    I hope the list was compiled using some state database and not from "watching" your hispanic neighbors. The list, and the way it was disseminated, is incredibly creepy and makes you look racist and small minded.

  • Chris B
    July 13, 2010 1:26 p.m.

    Even if the list was illegally accessed, if it's correc, what a great resource we should use to rid our state of these criminals.

    Long has been the cry from liberals that "we dont know which ones are illegals" for not supporting great legislation like that taking place in Arizona.

    Well here you go - if this list is accurate - let's hand it out to every law inforcement in the state and make it a goal to find each one and have them all gone within a month! I'll help!

  • Pagan
    July 13, 2010 1:26 p.m.

    'An anonymous group says it quietly watched Hispanics in their neighborhoods, schools, churches and "public welfare buildings" to compile a list of 1,300 people it says are illegal immigrants.' - Article

    Oh, look.

    The 'witch hunts' have begun.

    Hey, are YOU an illegal immigrant?

  • JohnJacobJingleHeimerSchmidt
    July 13, 2010 1:21 p.m.

    Does this list have names of Canadians and European illegal immigrants too or is it just targeted at Latino names? I suspect the list only has latino names. This is racial targeting plain and simple.

  • Chris B
    July 13, 2010 1:16 p.m.

    Let's get to work!