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  • Kakashi
    July 12, 2010 7:36 p.m.

    for a SG...how about Indiana's Brandon Rush...i think he would fit well...probably make a play for Rush and probably Troy Murphy...its hard to make a play for Indiana's Roy Hibbert...as for Centers go...why not Spencer Hawes? i mean the guy posts good numbers when given minutes...i don't wanna push for a PF...since i would want to see what Millsap can do given the 30+ mins he'll receive...what's there to lose on him?...when boozer was sidelined...the guy was a constant double double player...even more...so if i were to choose...SG its a toss up between signing Matt Barnes or going after a trade for Brandon Rush...(probably packaged it with Tyler Hansbrough and Troy Murphy? for the 12 mil TPE?)...and probably go after Spencer Hawes for a trade...and maybe JJ Hickson...im not sure if Tony Allen is free...that would also be an upgrade at SG...he would be given major minutes in Utah...

  • ouisc
    July 12, 2010 5:21 p.m.

    Interesting comment about what Wes Matthews wanted--5 years, $25mil. We could have talked him down to the lower $20's. If this is true, then we shouldn't need to fire KOC....he should be so ashamed that he would quit.

  • Bugoff
    July 12, 2010 4:07 p.m.

    Hoopsworld is reporting that Mathews offered to sign for 25 Mill for 5 years and the Jazz told him to go get an offer. He went to POR and got an offer. Now it will cost them 9 Mill more. There are reasons POR keeps messing with the Jazz.

    5 Mill is more than the Jazz felt they should pay for Mathews. I am not sure they should match.

    Barnes is a better short run move.

    Haslem and Fish are staying home. The Haslem signing makes it impossible for MIA to match offers for Joel Anthony who they plan to start at C.

    The Jazz could offer him right now and steal him. MIA can't react until they get other deals done.

    Some team is going to grab him.

    The Jazz better sign Fes before they shaft themselves on him.

    So far the Jazz appear to be in salary dump mode and adding NO talent back.

    They have no reason to dump. The only bad contract they have is Okur. AK is expiring.

    They should at least tell the fans they are dumping or that they are going to take time to rebuild.

    Stick POR?

  • Dr. Dunkenstein
    July 12, 2010 4:05 p.m.

    I'm not too worried about the Jazz . . . yet.

    However, I do agree with Bugoff that the Jazz are well-known (especially lately) for exhibiting "rigor mortis-like" tendencies. I'm afraid that when the Jazz finally get around to getting whatever is left to be had, what's left to be had isn't going to be worth getting.

    I thing the Jazz have to pass on Matthews. He's good, and I'd love to have him back, but the Jazz just can't afford to be stuck with another bad contract; not if they want a chance to improve in the next few years, anyway. I wouldn't mind seeing the Jazz sign Barnes or Udoka, and another "blue-collar" big (read: Amundson, or similar) to insert in the PF/C rotation with Millsap, Kirilenko, Okur (when he's healthy), Koufos, and Fesenko (if he comes back). I'm not going to hold my breath, though . . .

  • trikist
    July 12, 2010 3:54 p.m.

    This free agency season has been over the top. 119 mil$ for Joe Johnson? I really wonder if the NBA is a workable business model at this point. I think that they will have to do something about enforcing the salary cap. It is hard to bear but maybe the Jazz need to concentrate on developing young talent, hoping for a smarter FA next year.

    Losing Williams? It would be a shame but not as much of a shame as behaving like Cleveland and the Cav's. Cav's gave "the King" everything and got near misses in return. Williams is a potential hall of fame candidate but Detroit won a championship with no HOF candidates a couple years ago. I love Williams but can not see hocking the team or the city to retain him. We need a better defensive team; that can often be had will less glitzy names.

  • TAGZZ
    July 12, 2010 3:37 p.m.

    I have liked Barnes ever since he was at Golden State and we played them in the playoffs a couple years ago... He doesn't take crap from anybody, But I am sure that the Jazz Brass are thinking of ways to save money and screw over the team hahahahaha...

    I am no GM and don't have the brains to be one but anybody can do a better job than KOC, Get a homeless guy off Temple Square and he could do more than KOC has!!

  • toddfromsantaana
    July 12, 2010 2:50 p.m.

    Barnes and DWIL will be instant friend


    Barnes takes over as having the most tats on the squad

  • toddfromsantaana
    July 12, 2010 2:49 p.m.

    Matt Barnes is good but why 6 teams already?

    No one mentions this

  • Bugoff
    July 12, 2010 11:40 a.m.

    Brown is not as good as Mathews. He may play better in Utah.

    The SG list is sparse at the moment and most of the good deals are gone.

    Barnes would be a steal and the Jazz should jump on him and move CJ. His WP48 is .19.

    Udoka (.132), Damien Wilkins (.112), and Bell (.374 and .124 and likely gone) need to be seriously looked at.

    Craig Smith .112. Stephen Graham .113 (don't know much about them).

    There may be someone I do not know about. The other options are start Hayward and move CJ. Or start Gaines at SG. He is undersized but knows the system and has a high WP48. The Jazz play best with 2 PGs.

    Anyone know of a taller, good shooting/defending PG who could be an SG?

    Calderone (6'3") (.154) may be available. He just got traded.

    Acie Law (6'3") (.263 and .094 and -.286). Law has to fit the system. He can be great or horrible.

    The Jazz need to move now or wait for the trade dealine.

    They are going to be really bad until the trade deadline if they do not add shooting/rebounding now.

  • TAGZZ
    July 12, 2010 10:12 a.m.

    BIG Ben... I agree with you, I would like to see Shannon Brown in a Jazz Jersey this year!!

  • TAGZZ
    July 12, 2010 10:11 a.m.

    BIG Ben... I agree with you, I would like to see Shannon Brown in a Jazz Jersey this year!!

  • Big_Ben
    July 12, 2010 9:38 a.m.

    I am a big jazz fan, and I am not crying or scared one bit.

    1) Portland is a poorly run franchise. They run their GM out of town. They drafted Oden because of hype and what ESPN was saying, even though the guy did not dominate at either end in college, now he is injured constantly and looks atrocious at both ends when healthy. Now they want to pay all this money for a guy who will be a backup behind a top 10 player. Whatever.

    I am glad to be a jazz fan. I dont think O'Connor is the best in the business by any stretch, but he is going to make some moves to improve the team before its all said and done.

    I would really like to bring in Shannon Brown. That guy is a stud.

  • Bugoff
    July 12, 2010 8:35 a.m.

    I do not feel like the sky is falling. I feel like the Jazz FO has rigor mortis.

    They are not moving to fix the problems of not enough outside shooting or the need for a back up PF/C for injury depth.

    Almost all of the FA movement so far has been the Cap Teams and the Suns. DAL is also ramping up as usual. DAL is better. The Suns are also better.

    Most of the FAs that the Jazz would want are gone. The FO is simply incapable of moving. They may fix thing later but they have a strong tendency to NOT move at the trade deadline.

    The get raided and acted upon. They are like a 3 toed sloth.

    If they are going to run the Jerry Sloan School of Basketball Development then:

    1. they need to put team options in all of the developing players' contracts.
    2. they need to get enough draft picks to get a higher percentage to pan out.

    They had a year to get ready for Boozer and Korver leaving. They should have learned with Millsap on front loaded contracts.

    The Jazz need an organizational review of business practices.

  • Captain L
    July 12, 2010 8:04 a.m.

    Shannon Brown is a great athlete but he is undersized for a 2 and doesn't have the mind set of a point. He is very long, strong and has played on a championship team. I'm not sure what I think of him. Does it sound like the Jazz are real serious about him?

  • toddfromsantaana
    July 12, 2010 2:42 a.m.

    Shannon Brown the newest Jazz player?

    If you guys support this you will support anything

    This is not Tom Izzo Spartans this is the NBA

  • Captain L
    July 12, 2010 12:31 a.m.

    Bugoff: I think you do have some just criticisms, especially #2, I don't know why they wouldn't sign someone like Mathews to an extension sooner and have that team option clause in the contract for every young player.
    Bug if you can make a short list of 3 or 4 SF's and SG's that the Jazz should look to sign within the next 6 days.
    I feel the jazz need to get a FA signed this week or they may need to match Mathews contract with the Blazers. I don't like that option though.
    True Fan : I like your comments on Hayward, I agree he really shows he knows how to play the game, he is more athletic than he is given credit for and has very good skills. He could really contribute as a rookie if Sloan will give him a chance.

  • TrueFan
    July 11, 2010 11:52 p.m.

    Uncle Rico...I guess I have a much higher opinion of Millsap then you have (and apparently Matthews as well). I would hate to think how bad off we would be right now with Boozer in Chicago if we hadn't resigned Millsap. Paul is a potential double double waiting to happen every night.

    In my opinion, Williams, Millsap, and Matthews are the foundation of the Jazz going forward. I love blue collar, tough minded guys who play through pain, and leave it all on the floor every night.

    Kirilenko is overpaid, and Memo is rolling into his thirties.

    Miles could become a cornerstone, if he ever developed any form of consistency. The talent is certainly there.

    And this Hayward kid...he see's the floor so incredibly well, knows what's a good shot and what's a bad shot, and moves well without the ball. Once he gets on the court with better players, I think his game will really shine. In the summer league teams could focus in on him, but that won't be the case once he plays with the veterans. He will get a number of open, high percentage shots.

  • Bugoff
    July 11, 2010 11:51 p.m.

    KOC has made 2 mistakes.

    1. He has been lousy at 1st round picks and that kills small market teams that need good cheap players to keep their costs down. The draft picks are a group decision so it is not fair to blame KOC for all of that.

    2. Most importantly he has failed to get team options into the contracts of the players the Jazz are spending a lot of time and money developing. Sloan runs a NBA development school. The Jazz are great at dumpster diving and then developing players who are good in the flex. Usually they are not worth more to other teams but Millsap and Mathews are. Fes maybe in the long run.

    KOC has to change his contract management IF Sloan is going to keep running his development school. They have to lock up the talent before it is obvious to the rest of the league.

    This is really poor management and just criticism.

    The Jazz are also too slow to move. That is a problem of the whole organization.

    With the new cable contract the Jazz should spend at least 70 Mill a year to compete. Spend on the right players.

  • Bugoff
    July 11, 2010 11:35 p.m.

    Even after Okur was hurt the FO still planned on losing Boozer and Korver. Both had defensive problems and both are replaceable. NO reason to panic, it is planned.

    They planned on keeping Mathews. He is also replaceable. They have to make a decision and actually do something about it.

    1. They can move CJ to SG and get an experienced SF with a high WP48 for cheaper than Mathews.

    2. They can get a SG who is cheaper and currently about as good as Mathews.

    Mathews is a fixable problem. But they are going to have to do something.

    They need the right C but he is not available. Neither is the right PF. Wait on those and get a good cheap back up for now. Maybe Mahimni or Amundson. The later will cost 3-4 Mill.

    They have to add outside shooting/defense. Korver has to be replaced before the start of the season. There are still some good SFs out there.

    They need to move now.

    If they are not going to match Mathews, they need to use a TE and the MLE to get an SG or SF and a back up SF/C.

  • Kakashi
    July 11, 2010 11:26 p.m.

    @SportzFan

    I think Stockton retired before Malone left...

    as for the sky is falling that's bull...everyone is so pessimistic...everyone is already counting out the Jazz...and you say you are fans...you support your team...yes...the management made some bonehead moves...and we couldnt get free agents because of our financial situation...its hard to trade a TPE and draft picks...its not as easy as calling for a pizza delivery...you can't always get what you want...I'd rather see Kosta start at C...Millsap at PF...Hayward or Miles at SF/SG and of course Deron at PG...let Kosta, Fesenko share minutes at the 5...rotate AK at 3 and 4...lets try to see if it works...if not..then its alright...its hard to beat LA, Miami or Boston...the way the league is structured right now...the championship games are for the teams that can afford players...for small market teams...it's a dream...but definitely a reachable one...as long as there is hard work and determination...

  • eagle
    July 11, 2010 10:45 p.m.

    @JFFR: The Bulls with Michael Jordan and Scottie Pippen were better than any of the teams listed. Right there you had arguably the greatest player ever and another player considered in the Top 50 of all-time. Team those two with the likes of Horace Grant on the front end of their six titles or Dennis Rodman on the second set, that trio plus plenty of other fine role players like Bill Cartwright, BJ Armstrong, Steve Kerr, Jim Paxson, and Luc Longley and the Bulls had those incredible runes. As good as Kobe, Lebron, Garnett, Wade etc. are, they aren't as good MJ.

  • Captain L
    July 11, 2010 10:10 p.m.

    I'm hoping the new CBA will clamp down on all these huge contracts and make things more fair for all teams.

  • louisiana jazz man
    July 11, 2010 10:09 p.m.

    re uncle rico if you think paul is over paid at the 6 mil he will get this year what do you think boz is at 15? best thing for utah was portland signing millsap or this year like david lee someone would be paying him the same as lee probly the nets. millsap is a steal at 6 mil. matthews would have to be gone if i was paying. if they would have traded boz last year they would be sitting a little better with brewer and maynord. dont know about hayward looks like they got him to replace kirlinko. but turner is the one that caught my eye belive could be the real deal so they will end up like maynord trading him to get a forward. need to play with what we got this year and wait for kirlinko to come off the books. should know by then about hayward and turner and fes and kufus they all getting payed time to go to work.

  • Captain L
    July 11, 2010 10:04 p.m.

    I think there is a good chance that the Jazz will match the offer for Mathews IF the jazz work the phones for 7 days and can't get the player or players they would like to sign with them.

  • Uncle Rico
    July 11, 2010 9:05 p.m.

    True fan?

    Why should we match offer from Portland on Matthew's? We already overpaid Paul, now do it again? c'mom think!!

  • Jazz-Nation
    July 11, 2010 8:46 p.m.

    I dont feel like the sky is falling, but I am surprised by the front loaded contract offered by Portland. 9.2 Million this year for a guy coming off your bench? His numbers will go down from his starter numbers he had in Utah. This,like Boozers contract, just might end up being the best money the Jazz NEVER spend. Use the Boozer Trade exception and pick up Al Jefferson. He plays Center and Memo play Power forward,Ak small forward, C.J Miles/ or Better free agent we get at shooting guard and DWill at the Point. That line up would win with Hayward and Milsap coming off the bench.

  • Portland Trail Blazers
    July 11, 2010 8:44 p.m.

    2007, went Jazz wne to the WCF, was LUCKY, thanks to Dallas and Golden State, Utah was lucky to be there, it was a gift.

  • SportzFan
    July 11, 2010 8:09 p.m.

    In 2002, Malone left.
    In 2003, Stockton retired,
    In 2004, the Jazz won 41 games without their legends.
    In 2007, they played in the Western Conference finals, thanks in part to O'Connor pulling a rabbit out of his hat by trading draft picks to get D-Will, getting Korver for an under-performing Giricek, and yes, free agent signings of Boozer and Memo (and Harpring in 2002).

    The Jazz lost to the eventual champion three of the last four years. Hardly makes the Jazz the dregs of the league.

    The Jazz built to become a legit contender -- before the playoffs Hollinger on ESPN had them the first or second most likely Western Conference team to make the finals -- with much less foundation than they have to build on now.

    They've rebuilt before. I'm hoping they can do it again. I have no clue how they will do it -- but I've noticed that on these threads, not having a clue is pretty standard.

  • JFFR
    July 11, 2010 7:52 p.m.

    @cval1

    Thanks for your post. I agree with you, there is just one problem... Have you seen Miami's roster??? Have you seen the Celtics roster?? Take a look at the Lakers and Bulls!

    Stockton and Malone didn't really face teams like that!

  • TrueFan
    July 11, 2010 7:44 p.m.

    Next year there is a good crop of "bigs" available in free agency, and the Jazz will actually have some significant cash to throw around. They may also bring over Tomic (fingers crossed). About the best the Jazz can do this season is use a trade exception for a stiff like Emeka Okafor in New Orleans.

    This year Fesenko and Koufos will get thrown to the fire, and how they respond will determine if either or both figure into our future long term plans. I just hope Memo gets back ASAP.

  • Jazzman72
    July 11, 2010 7:36 p.m.

    I agree with what some have said about making Matthews a fair offer (around 4-5 million) up front, instead of letting Portland hold them hostage with their insane offer. Jazz management is reactive, not proactive.

  • Old Timer
    July 11, 2010 7:34 p.m.

    How about talking with the agents of Lakers- Shannon Brown, Farmar, maybe sign Adam Morrison to a low ball contract, he hasn't lit up anything in the NBA yet but he's been hurt a couple of years and just because he didn't play for the Lakers doesn't mean he can't play. How many Jazz players except D-Will do you think would get playing time with the Lakers if they were over there? Also what about Kevin Love from Minn, they are loaded with bigs, and the other Brewer- Corey on their team could be had, a nice wing player. What I'm saying is there are additions to be had you just need to work on them.

  • Kakashi
    July 11, 2010 7:33 p.m.

    everyone wants this guy and that guy...without realizing the overall situation...the Jazz is in Utah...a small market team...it would definitely tough to beat teams like LA or Miami...or Orlando...or Boston...and with what's happening in the NBA...you will never find a guy loyal enough to stick to his team...take a paycut for his team to get better...the only guy i know that would do that is Kevin Durant...but let's face it...it would be hard to lure free-agents...it would be hard to make sign and trade deals...its not as easy as a phone call away...why not try with the guys that we have right now and compete...in the Jazz current system...average players become big time players...and please don't say that millsap wouldn't be like boozer because he is an undersized PF...i mean...cut him some slack...he is working his butt off...he wants to win...he has more desire to grab that rebound than any other...just wait and see....Millsap will be a beast...and Gordon hayward will be a surprise...

  • TrueFan
    July 11, 2010 7:16 p.m.

    I honestly think the Jazz would have done whatever necessary to resign Korver, if they hadn't all ready made up their minds to match any offer for Matthews. It wouldn't make sense.

    Even D-Will in his recent comments said he didn't expect the Jazz to resign Kover AND Matthews. In otherwards, what he is saying between the lines, is that he fully expects one of the two to definitely return.

    Since the "signing bonus" doesn't count against the cap the Jazz will only be at about 64 million with nine guys signed, if they match Matthews. You figure guys like Fesenko, Gaines, and maybe a Jeffers or Evans could fill out the rest of the roster for 1 or 2 million dollars apiece, and that would put us right at about 70 million. Greg and Kevin have both said on numerous occasions they fully expect to be a luxury tax player again this season. This would all add up to be about right as far as the team payroll.

    I think they match Wesley. They have to salvage something from this offseason. If only for PR reasons, and season ticket sales.

  • pbpm
    July 11, 2010 7:09 p.m.

    Roy Hibbert would be a great option for some draft picks. 7'2", big body, plays good "D" and can score around the hoop. Did not play too poorly against Gasol this past year either. One more thing, we are not held hostage by AK's contract. The guy has the longest tenure with the team, and before Boozer got here, he was an All-Star. Everyone seems to forget that AK wins at least 6 or 7 games a year with things that are not in the stat sheet. The injuries happen to everyone and I feel with the addition of Hayward, we will go foward big time. Maybe Jerry will let Kosta get some minutes like he did his rookie year when he played so well, he will bang with the best of em', he just has not got the PT. If we get a "Defender" we win 50+ games......watch and see!!

  • Jazzman72
    July 11, 2010 6:42 p.m.

    If the Millers want a fun, competitive team, they should by the Flash. The salaries for those players is a bargain!

  • Dreylon
    July 11, 2010 5:23 p.m.

    Bring back Mo Williams to play SG

  • Buzz
    July 11, 2010 5:08 p.m.

    @Led Zeppelin II

    I was waiting for a comment like yours. For all the reasons you say you hate the Lakers, Miami just did them at an even worse level. They just hijacked the NBA for the next 8 years.

    Yet you sit there and actually want them to beat the Lakers. Just goes to show that your hatred towards the Lakers stems from one thing... and that is jealousy.

    Spazz fans are the biggest hypocrits, delusionists and crybabies of all fans in the world.

  • Jazzman72
    July 11, 2010 5:06 p.m.

    If the Millers want a fun, competitive team, they should by the Flash. The salaries for those players is a bargain!

  • RE
    July 11, 2010 5:06 p.m.

    Maybe you all should all start following Real Salt Lake.

    They brought home a championship last year and are positioned to do it again this.

    The MLS and its players have not been poisoned by money.

  • ECR
    July 11, 2010 4:41 p.m.

    I live 2200 miles from SLC and for last 2 years, at least, all I've heard from this same crowd is that Boozer is a panzy who can't play through pain and Korver is inconsistent and neither of them can play defense. Now that they are gone the team is doomed according to these same folks. Kevin O'Conner and Jerry Sloan have done miracles, at least according to every play-by-play announcer I've heard on ESPN and ABC, with the guys that are willing to come to Utah. Remember, you are one of the smallest markets in the NBA and when you throw in the local culture, SLC is a challenge for any coach and GM. Williams at least expresses his patience with what's going on right now. Why don't the rest of you.

  • cval1
    July 11, 2010 3:40 p.m.

    I remember a film clip the year after Malone and Stockton were gone. Sloan was with the team made up of a few good players and a bunch of journeymen who had been cast off by other teams.

    He told them they were going to do a lot better than most people thought they would. Everyone expected 10-20 wins, and the Jazz delivered 42.

    Most of you guys see the glass as pretty empty. This team has a ton more talent than that team did, and I am confident they will surprise.

    Not likely a championship team, but a solid team... likely in the playoffs, and very well positioned for the future.

    Come on guys. This glass is way more than half full.

  • Hellooo
    July 11, 2010 2:38 p.m.

    So the sky is falling because an oft injured overpaid undersized PF signs for more money, another oft injured one-skilled player signs with the same team, and last year's story is now over paid because Portland's star has a bum knee. But, the Jazz front office who found these guys, and kept the team competitive in spite of multiple injuries, poor defense and a gift to the Lakers by Memphis is allllll bad. The most fun team the Jazz have had to watch in the last 20 years won 42 games and missed the playoffs. They passed the ball, played D, worked hard, and won when they weren't supposed to. So, while everything isn't roses at least it won't be like Miami when one of those overpaid hyped players is hurt and can't play or they lose out to Boston, Orlando or maybe even "Utah East", Chicago. Unless the wheels really fall off there is no way any team has done anything to close the talent and depth gap the Lakers have on everyone else. So, why not have a fun team and enjoy watching, while everyone else loses money.

  • bloggy
    July 11, 2010 2:15 p.m.

    KOC will surprise us. Just watch. Now that the dust has settled on the big free agents, the Jazz can go to work. They weren't keeping boozer or korver and they weren't going to land lebron, bosh, wade, nowitzki, Johnson or amare. With a limited budget and a small SLC market, you have to give the jazz credit for fielding a competitive team every year. We could easily be the bucks or the grizzlies or the kings; instead, somehow we have remained among the second-tier elites of the league. Give them some credit.

  • toddfromsantaana
    July 11, 2010 12:49 p.m.

    complain to Miller,he thinks all is well

  • Jazz-Nation
    July 11, 2010 12:49 p.m.

    I meant Shannon Brown not D.Brown btw.

  • Jazz-Nation
    July 11, 2010 11:42 a.m.

    I will be looking at the Big picture on my 52 inch flat screen not paying to watch this current line up. If the Millers are going to save money so will I.

  • Led Zeppelin II
    July 11, 2010 11:34 a.m.

    At least Miami built a team that can beat the Lakers! I would rather see the Jazz lose than the Lakers win. And I love the Jazz! I have been going to Jazz games since the early 80's.I would be happy to see KOC fired and an exiting athletic team like the Jazz had in the early and mid eighties. I would also like to see David Stern gone and Charles Barkley to be made the new NBA commissioner. Bring the fun back that David Stern ruined over the years.

  • Jazzman72
    July 11, 2010 11:26 a.m.

    We saw how far the Boozer /Korver /Matthews could take us. Time for some wholesale changes. Like someone else said, the draft is the best way for the Jazz to rebuild. They're looking like a lottery team next year, so hopefully they can draft a talented big man next summer, and bring Tomic over. Plus, they will have a lot of cash once AK is off the books. This season might look bleak, but look at the big picture.

  • BigDave
    July 11, 2010 10:52 a.m.

    Once again the only rings in Salt Lake City will be CTR rings!!

  • Jazz-Nation
    July 11, 2010 10:17 a.m.

    I still think that if the Jazz dont match for Wes Mathews then bring in D.Brown. Throw some draft picks at T Wolves for Al Jefferson, and then assess the team and where we are at the break to see if we need to dump salary or add more depth to contend via trade exceptions. The Ship is sinking fast, but the Jazz unlike other NBA teams actually have some leverage. If the Jazz just want to save money, then as a fan so will I. I will stay home and watch on TV and not pay for tickets,Jazz gear, Hot Dogs, Beer, ect. I am not saying go out and create a Circus like Miami, but seriously the Jazz better do something.

  • Kakashi
    July 11, 2010 9:45 a.m.

    dont know why there are a lot of people panicking...i mean...come on...i think the jazz should tank the season...and probably get like around 3 first round draft picks next year...and see what happens...lol...for all the millsap haters...dont you remember a guy named Charles Barkley...an undersized PF....sometimes...its all about the desire...in boxing out....wanting that rebound...scoring inside...being a defensive threat...heck Ben Wallace is an undersized C....and he block shots like there's no tomorrow...

  • VitaMan
    July 11, 2010 9:40 a.m.

    Wesley Matthews is simply not worth the deal. He should go to Portland and be Brandon Roy's backup for the next 5 years. If you match on Matthews where do you go for size?

    The Jazz have to live with KOC's idiotic decision to draft Hayward. He is a top 10 wing right??

    Millsap needs some help and that is where the attention has to be. Absent that we should just hunker down and save the cash for next season after the strike and be prepared to start from scratch.

  • 1tobeamup
    July 11, 2010 9:35 a.m.

    I take issue with one line in this article - "the FA pool is drying up quickly." The Jazz were never players this year in FA - they only have the MLE to work with - what they HAVE is LOTS of money in TE and we need to hope KOC can work a trade now or before the trade deadline mid-season. The team willing to trade with the Jazz either wants to dump salary - like NO and Okafor - or they may be overloaded at that position - like Sacramento/Nets/Minny at Center. While KOC's draft resume' may be suspect, I think he's pretty good at working trades - so hang in there Jazz fans. Let's be patient and hope D-Will is too.

  • humanhighlightfilm
    July 11, 2010 9:34 a.m.

    At the end of the day we are not going to have a chance to win a championship! Isn't that why we play? While organizations are building championship teams, we are building a first round and out, maybe 50 win team, that keeps us interested enough to think we really have a chance! You can look st every senario you want, but you will never win next year against LA, Miami, Boston, or whoever else. We are playing in the minor leagues this off season, watching the big boys at least try to put something together, with a few teams pulling it off! Nice job KOC! See you at the lottery in June! At least The Jazz could have threw a few names out there to have the appearence of trying to make it happen! Maybe Fasenko and Kufus are the real deal and I'll eat my words! Lol

  • BamaJAZZfan
    July 11, 2010 9:34 a.m.

    pcski8
    "BTW...I played the game in college and am an avid fan of the game." You're so funny that you only get one ha. Come on dude the Jazz don't need "hip" players. They need guys that can play the game in the system that Sloan has established. For years now, he has taken players that have thrived with the Jazz system but failed with other teams. Shall we start a list. Benoit, Anderson, Russell, Edwards, Karl Malone, the list is long. It is the system. As long as the system is in place, the Jazz need guys that will fit not "hip". BTW...I play at the YMCA. HAHAHA :)))))))

  • Black & White
    July 11, 2010 9:11 a.m.

    To pcski8:

    Oh yeah, one more thing..., NO ONE CARES that you played College Ball... you're "days are gone", you're "living in the past", and you need to "get current".

    Playing College ball doesn't make you an automatic expert, or the best fan. The BEST fans are those who struggle with their team when the team struggles, and are truly jubilant when they succeed; not fair-weather, "What-have-you-done-for-me-lately?" seat-fillers like yourself.

  • The Great Houdini
    July 11, 2010 8:52 a.m.

    Todd,I wouldn`t worry too much about 'doug10" he`s clueless

  • The Great Houdini
    July 11, 2010 8:44 a.m.

    Tough season ahead,we`ve really lost 2 thats right 2 finishers,Korver would almost always be in when game was on the line,if we lose Matthews,that`s 3,gonna be a long season,what say you shayblow?

  • nomo
    July 11, 2010 8:10 a.m.

    Your hatred for the Lakers was so bad you forgot about taking care of your own team. You were more concerned about somone beating the Lakers than taking care of your own buisiness..Jazz fans get what they deserve.

  • Dallas
    July 11, 2010 7:48 a.m.

    When the Blazers have to do KOC's job... and then in turn it costs the Jazz Million's... someone needs to be let go.

    Kevin O'Conner has been milking borrowed time. If this were any other organization... KOC would have been FIRED long ago.

    If the Jazz organization can't fire him... then that says a lot about the future we have with the Jazz and LHM.

  • Jazzsmack
    July 11, 2010 7:43 a.m.

    the jazz made terrible rebuilding mistakes 6 years ago and are now paying for it,

    in 2004 sloan stupidly tried to_win as_many games as they_could in_a rebuilding year,

    ruining jazz's chances to draft dwight howard, and then drafting 2 players who're basically busts


    then they stocked up the team with players you find on other championship teams benches like okur, and an undersized fragile pf who doesn't play defense,


    terrible job rebuilding,


    many complain the jazz can't get the best free agents to come here,


    that makes the draft extremely important,

    the jazz must get good draft picks,

    and the jazz have managed only one legitmate star player, dwill in a decade of drafting,


    and trying to win every game they can every season , rather than developing young players makes it all that much harder.


    it seems developing young players and getting much better draft postions would rebuild this team faster,

    than doing allyou can_to get winning seasons,
    that get the team nowhere.


    the jazz thought they could skip the rebuilding process,

    and are now paying for it.

    arrogance lead them to believe they could reload and continue to contend,
    they were wrong

  • Draft dumbie
    July 11, 2010 7:43 a.m.

    Goooooooorrrrrrrdan!

  • bobby d
    July 11, 2010 6:55 a.m.

    the sad thing about the Jazz right now is that the starters can produce some good points, but we will be so limited with our bench. Look how many games the bench won for the Jazz last year. That is where we are going to suck. I really do feel bad for DWill.

  • Bossk
    July 11, 2010 6:14 a.m.

    @TrueFan: Great post! Some other key points:
    *Matthews is not just "another player." In the last five years, how many FAs have become consistent Jazz starters? Zero. How many trade acquisitions have done so? Zero. And now we're supposed to replace THREE key players? Ridiculous!
    *Matthews is so much more than his stats. His defense and effort changed the whole team chemistry. Remember how terrible we were at the start of last year before he got into the rotation (CJ and Brewer starting)? And how terrible we were when Matthews was benched in favor of CJ? Now that's supposed to SAVE us?
    *Matthews scored 9+ with no plays run for him. He led the team in FT and was 3rd in 3%. And the best defender on the team.
    *Matthews' career is on the upswing; most of the others' mentioned are on the downswing.
    *Without Matthews, we have zero depth. We need CJ off the bench, not starting.
    *Portland isn't stupid. We're competing with them for #8. They steal Matthews, and they leapfrog us.
    *There is no "next year." We win just 35 this year, and DWill is gone. So are Jazz.

  • panamadesnews
    July 11, 2010 5:25 a.m.

    To Menace to Society:

    I do not hear anyone crying except you. You seem so immature. The Jazz will be just fine.

  • toddfromsantaana
    July 11, 2010 3:29 a.m.

    pcski8

    see espn poll

  • pcski8
    July 11, 2010 1:09 a.m.

    Wow - this paper is really sensitive ...huh? I've had to previosu posts rejected with no profanity or anything that even seemed questionable...hmmmm. Well...maybe this is part of the problem in attracting real talent to Utah. The Malone/Stockton days are gone. You all got very lucky with that mix - dare you to do it again...hahah! Find a way to attract & keep some "hip" young athletic talent to support D Williams or prepare to lose him and be at the bottom. KOC and Sloan may be living in the past and new talent in the front office and coaching st5aff may be needed quickly unless SLC fans are happy to barely make the play-offs. Malone-Stockton is over. Get current. We've lost Boozer, Korver and Matthews and picked up a baby-faced, skinny, small-school drafteee with our lottery pick when we knew we were losing Boozer and had holes at center..intersting...no? I'm done with this program unless they overhaul. It's hopless and senseless. BTW...I played the game in college and am an avid fan of the game. I just don't understand the Jazz.

  • Doug10
    July 11, 2010 12:41 a.m.

    This article would insinuate JAzz fans are crying over Boozer, they hated the man while he was here and only now begin to realize what they had.

    Nobody should cry over Korver except Chicago as they now have to pay him millions to sit on the bench.

    Jazz should cry if they bring back Brewer, and I think that Wesley has priced himself out of the market.

    Todd there is a saying that says " the higher you sit the further you see" There is a reason you are a cellar dweller. Your reactivity and negativity take away your objectiveness that may let you see method in the madness. Till you can put your anger issues aside you will continue to annoy and not impress anyone

  • Ken
    July 11, 2010 12:36 a.m.

    AK fan - Perhaps you should do a little more English homework and a little less ranting on sports posts

  • TrueFan
    July 11, 2010 12:35 a.m.

    The Jazz are obviously going to use their mid-level exception on SOMEONE...so why not Matthews?

    The pickings are REALLY slim now in free agency.

    Your options:

    If you want to overpay for an over the hill, washed up center, take your pick: Shaq (38), Ilgauskas (35), B.Wallace (35), B.Miller (34).

    Haslem and M. Miller appear headed to the Heat.

    The Rockets have said they will match ANY offer for Scola.

    R. Jefferson appears headed back to the Spurs.

    Perhaps you prefer a head case like Harrington, Barnes, or J. Howard?

    Maybe a washed up "it' all about me" player like Iverson or McGrady?

    How about bringing back and ex-Jazz player like Brewer, or Amundson? Maybe they will magically become better the second time around.

    We really don't need a point guard...so no need to go there.

    Who does that leave?

    Roger Mason? Rasual Butler? Josh Childress?

    Or perhaps...

    Wesley Matthews?

    I rest my case.

  • B Russ
    July 11, 2010 12:15 a.m.

    @ Todd

    Peace out dude.

    Calm down and realize that you are probably right. Unless O'Conner can pull off miracle for which he is well due.

  • TrueFan
    July 10, 2010 11:34 p.m.

    I will only feel like the sky is falling if the Jazz fail to match the offer for Matthews. But, I have faith that they will.

    Also, Hayward impressed me in the summer league. His addition offsets the departure of Korver in my book.

    And how many teams can replace a player of Boozer's caliber with a stud like Paul Millsap? The power forward, in my opinion, is still in very good hands.

    Jeremy Evans and Kosta Koufos played quite well in the summer league, and could prove to be valuable reserves this coming season.

    I believe Okur will be up to par by the time things count most. He's healing well, from all accounts.

    Tomic should arrive next season, so it will be like adding two first round picks in the same season (along with this coming years draft pick which will probably be somewhere in the teens).

    I have faith that Coach Sloan and D-Williams will rally the troops, and we'll have a respectable season (all things considered).

    I can't wait until were no longer held hostage by AK's contract.

    JAZZ BRASS: PLEASE RESIGN MATTHEWS!! He is our best midlevel option.

  • toddfromsantaana
    July 10, 2010 11:30 p.m.

    Hollis keep writing, tell the truth rip this organization apart hard..

    ak fan: Your guy is part of why we are where we are

    The state should be in front of Miller office

  • MenaceToSociety
    July 10, 2010 11:26 p.m.

    Waaaaaaaaaaa!!! Waaaaaaaaa!!! Waaaaaaaaaaa!!!

    Crybaby Jazz fans cried when CJ Miles signed an offer sheet. Crybaby Jazz fans cried when Paul Millsap signed an offer sheet. Now crybaby Jazz fans are crying about all kinds of things this summer.

    Quit being such crybabies. Everything will be OK.

    And ..... Pac 12.

  • Ak Fan
    July 10, 2010 11:21 p.m.

    Dear Hollis .Please do some research before open mouth. You got some idea but lacks meaning. Jazz is who they are. It's not Boston Chicago LA just small Utah.

  • Ken
    July 10, 2010 11:05 p.m.

    Sorry Deron. Good luck keeping the new team above .500