@ Jazz-NationI agree with you about Al Jefferson...before he was
injured he was a beast...one of the top...post up players to play in the league
at that time...If we do get him...millsap will be back at the bench....and the C
slot still missing...i'd say...grab Samuel Dalembert...and let Millsap play for
a year or till trade deadline as the starting PF...see how it plays
out...then...if it fails...offer minnesota a few 2nd round draft picks...and the
TPE and grab him...you get a decent defensive C...and a good PF (a damaged
commodity though)...but for me...i'd wait it out a year...and see if Ante Tomic
is going to be a beast...
AK is the whole reason we are in this mess. If we lose Matthews, I better not
see him out in public.
Go get Al Jefferson, send some draft picks to T Wolves, SIGN Shannon Brown to
help our back court and dont match Portland crap offer, let them pay Lux tax. I
like Wes Mathews and sure he gas upside, but he is a guard not a big, therefor
let him go. Only reason I say dont sign Wes is look at the
market:Barnes, JJ Redick, S.Brown, all MLE and worth the money. The Jazz
have to come up with 9.2 million within 7 days to match portland...I would not
do that. I dont think we need Haslem, we need Al Jefferson.
@Jazzsmack: I wouldn't consider a player who almost averaged a double-double
coming off the bench a "has been" you know who else put those types of numbers
up last year on the bench? Milsap. Yea, Haslem wouldn't be a starter, but he
would be a solid backup to Milsap.Let's not forget that we only have
AK for one more year. If we let him walk, which seems to be the growing trend
with the Jazz lately, then we'll be in the same spot next year that we are right
now, and Haslem will be gone. Sure we could get lucky and find someone better,
but how many times has KOC done that so far this summer?I heard on
the radio that the Heat traded Beasley to the Wolves to clear up space to
sign/resign players, and that they are targeting Fisher and Haslam with the
trade money they got. So this article may be obsolete over the next couple of
RE: True BlueEveryone has monster games and career games against the
Jazz, nothing new there, do not base anything on that.admunsen is
not good enough to play PF and not tall and big enough to play center. he is simply a role player you might have on the end of your bench.
I would love it if the Jazz could get Amundsen. He was a monster against the
Jazz in the last game of the regular season. I hope they go after him.
observation:That is a lineup that can scare the LakersIt
is not arrogance but common senseThen again you are part of ESPN
Lou Amundsen is a fan favorite in Pheonix and they shout Louuuuuuuuu! when he
prepares to enter the game. Fans love his non stop hustle and relentless defense
while he is on the floor. He is a very good player without all the big ego. He
could probably be had for a couple of mil per year over 3 years. depends on how
serious Denvers interest is in him. Pheonix offered him a 1 year deal somewhere
just over the minimum. He is seeking a multi year contract.
Todd ... Your arrogance is stunning. I'm sure, as smart as you think you are,
you think you're a blossoming young entrepenuer with his own E-business and
within a few years, you're the next Mark Cuban. Right? At the very least, ESPN
must be knocking at your door constantly to become the next NBA version of Mel
Kiper. Your over-the-top know-it-all attitude is laughable. Keep it up. On a serious note ...I'm just fine with a starting lineup
of:PG - Deron WilliamsSG - Wes MathewsSF - AKPF -
Paul MilsapC - Mehmet OkurOff the bench:SG - CJ MilesSF - Gordon HaywardPF - AK or Udonis HaslamWhat I don't know
is who backs up Deron and Memo? Between Paul, AK, and Udonis, the 4 is
coveredBetween AK, Gordon, and CJ the 3 is coveredBetween Wes and
CJ, the 2 is covered.It'll be interesting to see if Kosta or Fez can
be an adequate backup for Memo. I'd let those two battle it out for backup
centerCan Jeffers back up Deron?I'm actually excited to
see how things turn out. It's an adventure
Haslem is not the answer, I do like him but he would be a threat to "the
sloanaholics" because he has a ring, and "most" "most" i said Sloanites do not
want the Jazz to get better, they want to remain in control of being average.
The smart fans and my administration know the truth,What would be
the answer is a power forward 6'9 or 6-10 or a Center like Okafor. Okur can
back up Milsap at #4 and make do until comes back. Another day goes by and O
Connor does zero with a trade exception. ANyone see Rod
Benson in Summer League? With 15 players (stupid again by Sloan) he did not even
suit yesterday. The announcers said he is NBA borderline "already" and that is
without a Jazz Training CampWhy is he here if he will not get a
chance? Why are any of them? Why did not Jeffries, Gordon and Evans
not get 30 minutes a game?Haslem will tie up payroll, Harrington is
taller or Jefferson. If you are going to do anything start there
Haslem is the best of the MIA bigs. That is not saying much. His numbers may
improve if he played for Utah. The MIA offense is designed for Wade not Haslem.
His WP48 is .196 and his current salary is 7 Mill. I do not have
time to look up his other stats.
I am not sure why most people are upset with the lack of activity. Do we really
want to be stuck with a number of mediocre players for 3 years? Who is really
available? I also like Matthews and hope the Jazz are able to resign him, but
please don't over pay. The Jazz should be very selective this off
season. AK's contract expiration approaching, the Tomic possibility, higher
draft picks? The best/only way for the Jazz to get significantly better is
through the draft. Unfortunately the Jazz have not had consistent success
bringing FA's here. Hopefully the Jazz are approaching this off
season similar to the way OKC manages their organization. Staying under the cap
has allowed them to take advantage of teams needing to shed payroll/players.
They have slowly acquired (young) players via the draft/trade. The Jazz have a
few parts in place. (I am of the opinion Hayward will be solid). Lets rebuild
this thing smartly, not by signing Journeymen vets and locking up cap space.
Shoot for championships not mediocrity.
Am I the only one who thinks Fez will be a good player? After being stepped on
for 2 years by Sloan he stepped up against Denver, altering shots and clogging
the middle, we would not have beat them without him. Sure he looked bad against
Gasol and company but name me the centers who haven't. Give him 30 minutes a
game until Memo comes back and he will far better than any of the trade
suggestions being thrown around.
Haslem to replace Boozer, sure trip to the lottery.
[my last post probably made no sense because the DN did post the first post, so
here it is]Yeah thats what the jazz need.some more
mediocre castoffs from other teams.The jazz have not tried go after
one legitimate star big man.not in free agency,not even in a
trade,instead the jazz gets,cast-offs (including
thier own),d-leaguers,2nd rounders,TPEs, which are apparently
are only good for getting more mediocre playersbut no matter
how many korvers, millsaps, cj miles, brewers, haslems, and okurs you get,you will not be winning a championship with them,not unless
you already have a starting lineup of very good to star 1st round talent.
Sloan and KC for Pres and Vice PrsThis is the dumbest and most
complacent fan base in the country
Yeah thats what the jazz need.some more mediocte castofsf from other
teams.The jazz have not tried go after one legitmate star big
man. not in free agency, not even in a trade,instead the jazz gets, cast-offs (including thier own),
d-leaguers, 2nd rounders, TPEs, which are apparently are only good
for getting more mediocre playersbut no matter how many
korvers, millsaps, cj miles, brewers, haslems, and okurs you get,you
will not be winning a championship with them,not unless you already
have a starting lineup of very good to star 1st round talent.
I guarantee with D-Will running this team, I dont care who we pick up, we make
the playoffs. No, we wont win the championship, unless we make some sick trades
during the year, BUT, who here honestly thought we would still beat Denver
without AK and after Memo went down. Everyone else stepped it up, and we gave
LA a pretty good run too. We only lost the first 3 games by somethinglike 11
points.Quit dogging Sloan and KOC, for players not wanting to be in Utah
and owners not wanting to go over the cap, the Jazz are hands down the best team
out there year in and year out. Because of Sloan and KOC!I love Korver to
death but his defense was subpar. I doubt we land Reddick but KOC will get
someone to replace Korver and Booze. Quit hatin and be patient. The rest of the
NBA hasnt done much either. Now that the big dogs are gone we'll see these other
guys start getting signed. Matthews will be a Jazz man next year.
Miami paper is reporting that Udonis will indeed be back with the heat. Not sure
why desnews got us all worked up over nothing.
Yes...the Jazz are a very young team (especially with Boozer and Korver leaving
town).The potential for improvement is great in almost every player.
Sloan is a good teacher of the game, if guys are willing to listen, and put
forth the effort to make themselves better players. Williams, Millsap, and
Matthews in particular seem to posess that drive, and our self starters. This is
the biggest area where Fesenko is weak. His drive is definitely in question.
Even Koufos works his back side off (and he seems much improved after watching
him in the summer league). I'm not saying this team isn't capable of
having a good year, and making the playoffs, but I just feel the fans need to
have realistic expectations and goals for this group, until we can get more
help. I'm hoping Deron really takes on the role of team leader more then ever,
and motivates these guys in a positive manner to become better players. He needs
to offer encouragement, and not be so moody all the time. He needs to balance
his will to win, with being a guy his teammates like, and not just respect.
Who was it that said O'Conner would be a genius for bring/landing Okafor?Uh, why do you think he is available just 2 seasons after the Hornets
traded for him? What have the Hornets done since he got there? They were WORSE
than they were with Tyson Chandler!!Some of you fans must drink
antifreeze instead of lemonade or something.Okafor does not even
like playing basketball. He plays it begrudgingly to make a living. Does that
sound like someone that is going to bring you a championship?No
thanks. Okafor is just logging time collecting checks.The reality
is that there are no really good bigs available that would allow us to contend
with the Lakers....and it has nothing to do with our GM either..those BIGs are
just not available. People are overpaying in many instances to get the mediocre
BIGs they have.Dumb teams are making lots of dumb moves. Joe
Johnson for $120 mil? Are you kidding me?Stoudemire? He is
thrilled to be playing for D'Antoni where he won't be expected to play defense
ever again and make lots of money coasting along cashing his checks.DUMB teams.
I don't think the Jazz are in as bad of a spot as we might think. Yes they lost
boozer and korver but they can get some players to replace them. I think that
fez had an awakening that final part of the playoffs. From the comments he made
leaving it seemed like he realized that he needs to improve and wanted to go
after it. I think he takes over okur's place and okur gets traded before the
trade deadline. Plus j.j. redick is a free agent right now if i remember right,
he'd be an improvement on korver if you ask me, better d, can drive and has just
as good of a shot. But here is an interesting idea, have the jazz go pick up
ike diogu as a back up pf. Looking at his numbers when he gets time he puts up
some sick stats plus he'd be a really cheap experiment taht could be used in a
trade if it didn't work out. Another cheap guy out there is kwame brown(lots of
upside but hasn't had a good system to work with). Just crazy ideas though lol
Actually, TruFan, Fesenko qualifies for the Bird exception after three years
with the team. So Utah wouldn't need to use MLE money for him. Matthews, though,
would require at least some MLE money, depending on how big the offer is, so
you're right on the money there. However, Utah does have a biannual exception
that could be used to match if the offer is small enough.
TrueFan : Good comments, this year is probably going to be a tough one and we
could very easily end up in the lottery. I think that could depend on how fast
Fes and or KK develop. Financially the Jazz are just too limited to make very
many moves. Next year the Jazz hopefully will be able to bring Tomic over
and they will have two first round draft picks. Memphis' pick could be 15 to 18
range and ours could be late lottery. I'm not totally counting the Jazz
out of the playoffs, they are well coached and tough and they compete most every
game, so you can't know for sure how many games they will win. The Jazz
have a very young team, and how fast those young players develop and improve
could determine whether the Jazz make the playoffs.DWill,26, Milsap,25, CJ
23, Mathews, 23, Fes,23, KK, 21, Hayward,20, Evans, 22, Gaines,24,Price,27,
AK,29, Okur, 31, . Milsap should still improve, CJ & Mathews should improve, but
the biggest thing is how much Fes and KK improve. I'm hoping Fes really comes
Haslem would be an upgrade compared to Boozer both defensively and in passion as
an offensive rebounder. The Jazz need to replace some quality Boozer points,
that's for sure, but keep in mind that he played matador defense most of the
time and the Jazz gave up lots of points because of it. So, with someone like
Haslem and a little bit of Kirilenko backing up Milsap at power forward, the
Jazz score less but give up less. The main thing is, when playoff time arrives,
and much of the action shrinks to half court, Haslem is still involved where
Boozer might not be.TrueFan I like your player depth chart except in
one place. Fesenko is going to be the opening day Jazz center, and if he
continues to improve, I believe Okur will never replace him unless Fes in
Fans just need to probably expect a 40 something win season (and that's only if
Okur comes back before January, and nobody else gets hurt). Were going to need
another summer to reload. The western conference is tough, and we could very
well end up out of the playoffs, and with a late lottery pick. If you can't deal
with that reality for a season, give us die hard fans a break, and find
something else to do other then constantly put down the team, and ask for
Sloan's and O'Connor's head on a platter.
The Jazz are between a rock and a hard place folks. They have a couple trade
exceptions but you have to find a team that is just looking to unload a guy to
dump salary. That is easier said then done. Also, were going to need to use most
of (if not all) our mid-level exception to resign Matthews and Fesenko. That
alone will have us knocking on the door of paying the luxury tax. It's
Kirilenko's deal that is absolutely killing us. The Jazz would love to unload
it, but probably won't have many takers until around the trade dead line. And by
that, the Jazz might be better off holding on to AK, and just letting things
take it's course. That way it gives us the option of resigning AK at a much
reduced rate. The Jazz simply don't have the ability to make
"significant" moves right now. I wish the fans would understand that. We have
two guys on this team that are taking up a very big chunk of our payroll. And we
don't have the funds to spend like the Lakers or some other teams.
As the week of SL games went on Evans started to look better and better. He
still has a long way to go to be able to contribute on an NBA team but he showed
a lot of good things. He is long, athletic, active, works hard, decent at D
(just needs more bulk or strength). If he can develop an outside shot, he could
be very good. I wouldn't mind seeing the Jazz work with him for a while. He is
COntinueThe good thing about this year is that we actually
have way more better players now than we did then the year after Stockton and
Malone left I mean the only one that I can remember from that team was somewhat
proven going into that year was AK47, Tom Gugliotta, and I guess you can say
Ostertag..... everybody else was either a rookie or was way overlooked and
nobody in the NBA considered them a difference maker at the time.Just look up the story on the 2003-2004 Utah Jazz Surprise Team.2003 team:Greg Ostertag Tom GugliottaAndrei
Kirilenko Gordan Giricek Carlos Arroyo Jarron Collins Michael RuffinAleksandar Pavlovic Raja Bell Raul Lopez Paul GrantMikki Moore Curtis Borchardt Ben Handlogten Matt Harpring Maurice Williams PG2010 team:Jeremy Evans Kyrylo Fesenko Sundiata Gaines Gordon Hayward
Othyus Jeffers Andrei Kirilenko Kosta Koufos Wesley
Matthews C.J. Miles Paul Millsap Mehmet Okur Ronnie
Price Deron Williams
Until the Jazz send me a check, I'm not going to worry about who they play, cut,
lose, sign or whatever.It's just a game and I still have a house
payment.I don't care.....
And I might add, the jazz do NOT have that kind of starting
lineup, they only have 2 players may even qualify,
dwill and ak, and ak does not fit sloans outdated system.some real change is needed.and chasing the mediocre
has-been haslem is not the answer.
@ EverybodyI keep hearing everybody sit and sober and complain about
other teams getting better and better and Utah getting worser and worser... well who in the West coast has made any big signs besides the Laker's
signing Blake; Warriors trading for Lee but lost a couple good players; and I
think Minnesota has done something.....If you ask me There has only
been a couple of teams in the NBA who have really done anything at all....Look Utah can offer people stuff all they want but if a player does not
want to play for a team then there ain't nothing money or a Manager is going to
be able to do...You guys know that Utah is one of the most hated or
unwanted places that any High End player wants to go to year in and year
out. But yet Utah still manages with what they can get.....Have any
doubt in what Sloan can do with a team full with a bunch of no namers just look
at that same year after Stockton and Malone left They weren't suppose to win 9
games but ended up winning 42.
"Possible" Jazz roster next season:Point Guard: Deron Williams,
Ronnie Price, Sundiata GainesShooting Guard: Wesley Matthews, Gordon
HaywardSmall Forward: C.J. Miles, Andrei KirilenkoPower
Forward: Paul Millsap, Udonis HaslemCenter: Mehmet Okur, Krylo
Fesenko, Kosta Koufos13th man: Either Evans or Jeffers. I'm good with that team (for one year). Then cap rooms opens up next summer,
so we could be major players in the free agency market, or will have more
flexability to make trades. Maybe Tomic comes over as well, and we add another
first round draft pick. Not next season, but the following year, we could be
back to being a 50+ win team. Probably about a 45 win team with the above
roster. If that's a "down" year, I'll take it.
AK is not a true power forward. How is he gonna play with his back to the
basket? Not gonna happen. I love him but that's not an answer to the problem.
And I love Millsap too but you saw what happened in the L.A. series: he's too
short to be effective against Gasol and Bynum. We need a bigger power forward
that can score. I'm not saying Haslem is necessarily the answer to our problem,
but we need a good strong big guy to do that.
Haslem is a fine player, but he plays the same position as Milsap and AK, so I
don’t see how he can really help this team. I heard a rumor on the radio
about NO trying to get rid of Okafor to save cap space, if the Jazz could pull
that off KOC would look like a genius, and the Jazz might be better this year
I agree with Houdini. AK and Millsap will do great at PF. Get a center and
another wing!!!We don't need a PF. We've already got 26 million
spent on that position!
So many people are just clueless on the Matthews issue. What makes you think if
the Jazz offered Matthews a very reasonable offer of 4-5 million he would take
it? He is not required to sign it.He would likely just keep fishing
for higher offers.As it stands now the Jazz will not pay any more
than they have decided he is worth. Period. No downside.Millsap
was worth what they paid for him.The potential upside is if the
other teams never actually materialize into actual offers...then the Jazz have
the upper hand in negotiations.If the Blazers then make some
ridiculous offer then all that would accomplish is they would be overpaying alot
for a bench/role player. How much would he play behind Roy? Is that wise to
dump gobs of money on a guy who will play 10-12 minutes a night?Go
for it Portland.Besides most teams know that unless they overpay
now, the Jazz are likely to match given that Booz and Korver just left.Haslem would be a decent pick up.Hard worker--better defender than
Booz or Korver.
Haslem is the best this team can get?? COME ON!!!!!!many teams get better
and better the Jazz get worst and worst, not fair!
I'll take Haslem, as long as his attitude is fine and they don't overpay.I don't know what the Jazz are waiting for with Matthews, gotta get that
done before they can do anything else or it could screw up the MLE, per Dave
Locke.Jefferson is overpaid, banged up & bitter. Feel bad for what
happened to him but donotwantnow.
Haslem....very average to below average,we have 2 PF`s,NEED A CENTER
I say good luck to Korver. Cant defend and turns the ball over way too much.
Hey, Jody, don't the Heat have Haslem's Early Bird rights? Depending on what
they want to pay, couldn't they offer him more than just vets' minimum? He'd
probably require all of Utah's MLE to get him here, which could be problematic
in matching an offer to Wes Matthews. He's a proven player though, and I would
love to have him here.
Yeah, it's kinda ho-hum, but certainly better than some other names I've seen
thrown around like Gortat.Wouldn't mind them going after Al
Jefferson even with the size of his contract.
I've been hoping for Haslem all along. He's one of my favorite players. Too bad
were losing Korver to Chicago though.
Nice KOC sign another undersized power forward. The Jazz just sit back and do
nothing, like always, as other teams try and get better. Boozer is gone.
Korver is gone. The Jazz are worse, KOC just sits back and waits for Portland
to make another "toxic" offer on our restricted free agents. Just get Matthews
signed and make a move. We are not trying to get better.
Hmmm so it looks like we are going to trade Boozer for Haslem (a downgrade), and
Korver (who just signed with CHI) for possibly Brewer?.
Haslem would be a good stop gap measure for a few years until Tomic comes over
and Fes and KK develop. Haslem is solid, professional, tough, and would fit in
Sloans system pretty good. He is short and that is a problem but if Fes and or
KK can improve enough to play rotation type minutes we would be OK.It is
good to hear KOC is looking, I've said all along KOC is on the phone all the
time exploring possible trades etc, we usually don't hear about it though.
Well, I can't say that it would be a bad move. We'll have to make good use of
those trade exceptions this year though.