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Utah Jazz 'emerging as a suitor' for power forward Udonis Haslem

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  • Kakashi
    July 11, 2010 11:33 p.m.

    @ Jazz-Nation

    I agree with you about Al Jefferson...before he was injured he was a beast...one of the top...post up players to play in the league at that time...If we do get him...millsap will be back at the bench....and the C slot still missing...i'd say...grab Samuel Dalembert...and let Millsap play for a year or till trade deadline as the starting PF...see how it plays out...then...if it fails...offer minnesota a few 2nd round draft picks...and the TPE and grab him...you get a decent defensive C...and a good PF (a damaged commodity though)...but for me...i'd wait it out a year...and see if Ante Tomic is going to be a beast...

  • Anti Bush-Obama
    July 11, 2010 12:45 p.m.

    AK is the whole reason we are in this mess. If we lose Matthews, I better not see him out in public.

  • Jazz-Nation
    July 11, 2010 10:54 a.m.

    Go get Al Jefferson, send some draft picks to T Wolves, SIGN Shannon Brown to help our back court and dont match Portland crap offer, let them pay Lux tax. I like Wes Mathews and sure he gas upside, but he is a guard not a big, therefor let him go.

    Only reason I say dont sign Wes is look at the market:
    Barnes, JJ Redick, S.Brown, all MLE and worth the money. The Jazz have to come up with 9.2 million within 7 days to match portland...I would not do that. I dont think we need Haslem, we need Al Jefferson.

  • Large Tuna
    July 10, 2010 10:57 p.m.

    @Jazzsmack: I wouldn't consider a player who almost averaged a double-double coming off the bench a "has been" you know who else put those types of numbers up last year on the bench? Milsap. Yea, Haslem wouldn't be a starter, but he would be a solid backup to Milsap.

    Let's not forget that we only have AK for one more year. If we let him walk, which seems to be the growing trend with the Jazz lately, then we'll be in the same spot next year that we are right now, and Haslem will be gone. Sure we could get lucky and find someone better, but how many times has KOC done that so far this summer?

    I heard on the radio that the Heat traded Beasley to the Wolves to clear up space to sign/resign players, and that they are targeting Fisher and Haslam with the trade money they got. So this article may be obsolete over the next couple of days anyway...

  • Jazzsmack
    July 10, 2010 6:44 p.m.

    RE: True Blue

    Everyone has monster games and career games against the Jazz, nothing new there, do not base anything on that.

    admunsen is not good enough to play PF and not tall and big enough to play center.

    he is simply a role player you might have on the end of your bench.

  • True Blue
    July 10, 2010 5:54 p.m.

    I would love it if the Jazz could get Amundsen. He was a monster against the Jazz in the last game of the regular season. I hope they go after him.

  • toddfromsantaana
    July 10, 2010 5:11 p.m.

    observation:

    That is a lineup that can scare the Lakers

    It is not arrogance but common sense

    Then again you are part of ESPN poll

  • B Russ
    July 10, 2010 2:52 p.m.

    Lou Amundsen is a fan favorite in Pheonix and they shout Louuuuuuuuu! when he prepares to enter the game. Fans love his non stop hustle and relentless defense while he is on the floor. He is a very good player without all the big ego. He could probably be had for a couple of mil per year over 3 years. depends on how serious Denvers interest is in him. Pheonix offered him a 1 year deal somewhere just over the minimum. He is seeking a multi year contract.

  • Observation-ist
    July 10, 2010 2:36 p.m.

    Todd ... Your arrogance is stunning. I'm sure, as smart as you think you are, you think you're a blossoming young entrepenuer with his own E-business and within a few years, you're the next Mark Cuban. Right? At the very least, ESPN must be knocking at your door constantly to become the next NBA version of Mel Kiper. Your over-the-top know-it-all attitude is laughable. Keep it up.

    On a serious note ...

    I'm just fine with a starting lineup of:

    PG - Deron Williams
    SG - Wes Mathews
    SF - AK
    PF - Paul Milsap
    C - Mehmet Okur

    Off the bench:
    SG - CJ Miles
    SF - Gordon Hayward
    PF - AK or Udonis Haslam

    What I don't know is who backs up Deron and Memo? Between Paul, AK, and Udonis, the 4 is covered
    Between AK, Gordon, and CJ the 3 is covered
    Between Wes and CJ, the 2 is covered.

    It'll be interesting to see if Kosta or Fez can be an adequate backup for Memo. I'd let those two battle it out for backup center

    Can Jeffers back up Deron?

    I'm actually excited to see how things turn out. It's an adventure

  • toddfromsantaana
    July 10, 2010 12:12 p.m.

    Haslem is not the answer, I do like him but he would be a threat to "the sloanaholics" because he has a ring, and "most" "most" i said Sloanites do not want the Jazz to get better, they want to remain in control of being average. The smart fans and my administration know the truth,

    What would be the answer is a power forward 6'9 or 6-10 or a Center like Okafor. Okur can back up Milsap at #4 and make do until comes back. Another day goes by and O Connor does zero with a trade exception.



    ANyone see Rod Benson in Summer League? With 15 players (stupid again by Sloan) he did not even suit yesterday. The announcers said he is NBA borderline "already" and that is without a Jazz Training Camp

    Why is he here if he will not get a chance? Why are any of them?

    Why did not Jeffries, Gordon and Evans not get 30 minutes a game?

    Haslem will tie up payroll, Harrington is taller or Jefferson. If you are going to do anything start there

  • Bugoff
    July 10, 2010 11:36 a.m.

    Haslem is the best of the MIA bigs. That is not saying much. His numbers may improve if he played for Utah. The MIA offense is designed for Wade not Haslem. His WP48 is .196 and his current salary is 7 Mill.

    I do not have time to look up his other stats.

  • JazzFanSD
    July 10, 2010 10:15 a.m.

    I am not sure why most people are upset with the lack of activity. Do we really want to be stuck with a number of mediocre players for 3 years? Who is really available? I also like Matthews and hope the Jazz are able to resign him, but please don't over pay.

    The Jazz should be very selective this off season. AK's contract expiration approaching, the Tomic possibility, higher draft picks? The best/only way for the Jazz to get significantly better is through the draft. Unfortunately the Jazz have not had consistent success bringing FA's here.

    Hopefully the Jazz are approaching this off season similar to the way OKC manages their organization. Staying under the cap has allowed them to take advantage of teams needing to shed payroll/players. They have slowly acquired (young) players via the draft/trade. The Jazz have a few parts in place. (I am of the opinion Hayward will be solid). Lets rebuild this thing smartly, not by signing Journeymen vets and locking up cap space. Shoot for championships not mediocrity.

  • shaybo
    July 10, 2010 9:48 a.m.

    Am I the only one who thinks Fez will be a good player? After being stepped on for 2 years by Sloan he stepped up against Denver, altering shots and clogging the middle, we would not have beat them without him. Sure he looked bad against Gasol and company but name me the centers who haven't. Give him 30 minutes a game until Memo comes back and he will far better than any of the trade suggestions being thrown around.

  • shaybo
    July 10, 2010 9:01 a.m.

    Haslem to replace Boozer, sure trip to the lottery.

  • Jazzsmack
    July 10, 2010 1:31 a.m.

    [my last post probably made no sense because the DN did post the first post, so here it is]

    Yeah thats what the jazz need.

    some more mediocre castoffs from other teams.

    The jazz have not tried go after one legitimate star big man.

    not in free agency,
    not even in a trade,


    instead the jazz gets,

    cast-offs (including thier own),
    d-leaguers,
    2nd rounders,
    TPEs, which are apparently are only good for getting more mediocre players


    but no matter how many korvers, millsaps, cj miles, brewers, haslems, and okurs you get,

    you will not be winning a championship with them,

    not unless you already have a starting lineup of very good to star 1st round talent.

  • toddfromsantaana
    July 10, 2010 1:30 a.m.

    Sloan and KC for Pres and Vice Prs


    This is the dumbest and most complacent fan base in the country

  • Jazzsmack
    July 10, 2010 1:28 a.m.

    Yeah thats what the jazz need.

    some more mediocte castofsf from other teams.

    The jazz have not tried go after one legitmate star big man.

    not in free agency,
    not even in a trade,


    instead the jazz gets,

    cast-offs (including thier own),
    d-leaguers,
    2nd rounders,
    TPEs, which are apparently are only good for getting more mediocre players


    but no matter how many korvers, millsaps, cj miles, brewers, haslems, and okurs you get,

    you will not be winning a championship with them,

    not unless you already have a starting lineup of very good to star 1st round talent.

  • boxertitan
    July 10, 2010 12:26 a.m.

    I guarantee with D-Will running this team, I dont care who we pick up, we make the playoffs. No, we wont win the championship, unless we make some sick trades during the year, BUT, who here honestly thought we would still beat Denver without AK and after Memo went down. Everyone else stepped it up, and we gave LA a pretty good run too. We only lost the first 3 games by somethinglike 11 points.
    Quit dogging Sloan and KOC, for players not wanting to be in Utah and owners not wanting to go over the cap, the Jazz are hands down the best team out there year in and year out. Because of Sloan and KOC!
    I love Korver to death but his defense was subpar. I doubt we land Reddick but KOC will get someone to replace Korver and Booze. Quit hatin and be patient. The rest of the NBA hasnt done much either. Now that the big dogs are gone we'll see these other guys start getting signed.
    Matthews will be a Jazz man next year.

  • AZBrabbit
    July 10, 2010 12:14 a.m.

    Miami paper is reporting that Udonis will indeed be back with the heat. Not sure why desnews got us all worked up over nothing.

  • TrueFan
    July 9, 2010 11:51 p.m.

    Yes...the Jazz are a very young team (especially with Boozer and Korver leaving town).

    The potential for improvement is great in almost every player. Sloan is a good teacher of the game, if guys are willing to listen, and put forth the effort to make themselves better players. Williams, Millsap, and Matthews in particular seem to posess that drive, and our self starters. This is the biggest area where Fesenko is weak. His drive is definitely in question. Even Koufos works his back side off (and he seems much improved after watching him in the summer league).

    I'm not saying this team isn't capable of having a good year, and making the playoffs, but I just feel the fans need to have realistic expectations and goals for this group, until we can get more help. I'm hoping Deron really takes on the role of team leader more then ever, and motivates these guys in a positive manner to become better players. He needs to offer encouragement, and not be so moody all the time. He needs to balance his will to win, with being a guy his teammates like, and not just respect.

  • H2OSKI
    July 9, 2010 11:36 p.m.

    Who was it that said O'Conner would be a genius for bring/landing Okafor?

    Uh, why do you think he is available just 2 seasons after the Hornets traded for him? What have the Hornets done since he got there? They were WORSE than they were with Tyson Chandler!!

    Some of you fans must drink antifreeze instead of lemonade or something.

    Okafor does not even like playing basketball. He plays it begrudgingly to make a living. Does that sound like someone that is going to bring you a championship?

    No thanks. Okafor is just logging time collecting checks.

    The reality is that there are no really good bigs available that would allow us to contend with the Lakers....and it has nothing to do with our GM either..those BIGs are just not available. People are overpaying in many instances to get the mediocre BIGs they have.

    Dumb teams are making lots of dumb moves. Joe Johnson for $120 mil? Are you kidding me?

    Stoudemire? He is thrilled to be playing for D'Antoni where he won't be expected to play defense ever again and make lots of money coasting along cashing his checks.

    DUMB teams.

  • jammer2324
    July 9, 2010 11:30 p.m.

    I don't think the Jazz are in as bad of a spot as we might think. Yes they lost boozer and korver but they can get some players to replace them. I think that fez had an awakening that final part of the playoffs. From the comments he made leaving it seemed like he realized that he needs to improve and wanted to go after it. I think he takes over okur's place and okur gets traded before the trade deadline. Plus j.j. redick is a free agent right now if i remember right, he'd be an improvement on korver if you ask me, better d, can drive and has just as good of a shot. But here is an interesting idea, have the jazz go pick up ike diogu as a back up pf. Looking at his numbers when he gets time he puts up some sick stats plus he'd be a really cheap experiment taht could be used in a trade if it didn't work out. Another cheap guy out there is kwame brown(lots of upside but hasn't had a good system to work with). Just crazy ideas though lol

  • Chuck Nunn
    July 9, 2010 11:23 p.m.

    Actually, TruFan, Fesenko qualifies for the Bird exception after three years with the team. So Utah wouldn't need to use MLE money for him. Matthews, though, would require at least some MLE money, depending on how big the offer is, so you're right on the money there. However, Utah does have a biannual exception that could be used to match if the offer is small enough.

  • Captain L
    July 9, 2010 10:25 p.m.

    TrueFan : Good comments, this year is probably going to be a tough one and we could very easily end up in the lottery. I think that could depend on how fast Fes and or KK develop. Financially the Jazz are just too limited to make very many moves.
    Next year the Jazz hopefully will be able to bring Tomic over and they will have two first round draft picks. Memphis' pick could be 15 to 18 range and ours could be late lottery.
    I'm not totally counting the Jazz out of the playoffs, they are well coached and tough and they compete most every game, so you can't know for sure how many games they will win.
    The Jazz have a very young team, and how fast those young players develop and improve could determine whether the Jazz make the playoffs.
    DWill,26, Milsap,25, CJ 23, Mathews, 23, Fes,23, KK, 21, Hayward,20, Evans, 22, Gaines,24,Price,27, AK,29, Okur, 31, . Milsap should still improve, CJ & Mathews should improve, but the biggest thing is how much Fes and KK improve. I'm hoping Fes really comes around.

  • scalman
    July 9, 2010 9:30 p.m.

    Haslem would be an upgrade compared to Boozer both defensively and in passion as an offensive rebounder. The Jazz need to replace some quality Boozer points, that's for sure, but keep in mind that he played matador defense most of the time and the Jazz gave up lots of points because of it. So, with someone like Haslem and a little bit of Kirilenko backing up Milsap at power forward, the Jazz score less but give up less. The main thing is, when playoff time arrives, and much of the action shrinks to half court, Haslem is still involved where Boozer might not be.

    TrueFan I like your player depth chart except in one place. Fesenko is going to be the opening day Jazz center, and if he continues to improve, I believe Okur will never replace him unless Fes in injured.

  • TrueFan
    July 9, 2010 9:05 p.m.

    Fans just need to probably expect a 40 something win season (and that's only if Okur comes back before January, and nobody else gets hurt). Were going to need another summer to reload. The western conference is tough, and we could very well end up out of the playoffs, and with a late lottery pick. If you can't deal with that reality for a season, give us die hard fans a break, and find something else to do other then constantly put down the team, and ask for Sloan's and O'Connor's head on a platter.

  • TrueFan
    July 9, 2010 8:40 p.m.

    The Jazz are between a rock and a hard place folks. They have a couple trade exceptions but you have to find a team that is just looking to unload a guy to dump salary. That is easier said then done. Also, were going to need to use most of (if not all) our mid-level exception to resign Matthews and Fesenko. That alone will have us knocking on the door of paying the luxury tax. It's Kirilenko's deal that is absolutely killing us. The Jazz would love to unload it, but probably won't have many takers until around the trade dead line. And by that, the Jazz might be better off holding on to AK, and just letting things take it's course. That way it gives us the option of resigning AK at a much reduced rate.

    The Jazz simply don't have the ability to make "significant" moves right now. I wish the fans would understand that. We have two guys on this team that are taking up a very big chunk of our payroll. And we don't have the funds to spend like the Lakers or some other teams.

  • Captain L
    July 9, 2010 8:22 p.m.

    As the week of SL games went on Evans started to look better and better. He still has a long way to go to be able to contribute on an NBA team but he showed a lot of good things. He is long, athletic, active, works hard, decent at D (just needs more bulk or strength). If he can develop an outside shot, he could be very good. I wouldn't mind seeing the Jazz work with him for a while. He is intriguing.

  • King Black
    July 9, 2010 8:18 p.m.

    COntinue


    The good thing about this year is that we actually have way more better players now than we did then the year after Stockton and Malone left I mean the only one that I can remember from that team was somewhat proven going into that year was AK47, Tom Gugliotta, and I guess you can say Ostertag..... everybody else was either a rookie or was way overlooked and nobody in the NBA considered them a difference maker at the time.

    Just look up the story on the 2003-2004 Utah Jazz Surprise Team.


    2003 team:

    Greg Ostertag
    Tom Gugliotta
    Andrei Kirilenko
    Gordan Giricek
    Carlos Arroyo
    Jarron Collins
    Michael Ruffin
    Aleksandar Pavlovic
    Raja Bell
    Raul Lopez
    Paul Grant
    Mikki Moore
    Curtis Borchardt
    Ben Handlogten
    Matt Harpring
    Maurice Williams PG


    2010 team:

    Jeremy Evans
    Kyrylo Fesenko
    Sundiata Gaines
    Gordon Hayward
    Othyus Jeffers
    Andrei Kirilenko
    Kosta Koufos
    Wesley Matthews
    C.J. Miles
    Paul Millsap
    Mehmet Okur
    Ronnie Price
    Deron Williams

  • owlmaster2
    July 9, 2010 8:14 p.m.

    Until the Jazz send me a check, I'm not going to worry about who they play, cut, lose, sign or whatever.
    It's just a game and I still have a house payment.
    I don't care.....

  • Jazzsmack
    July 9, 2010 8:01 p.m.

    And I might add,


    the jazz do NOT have that kind of starting lineup,

    they only have 2 players may even qualify,

    dwill and ak,

    and ak does not fit sloans outdated system.


    some real change is needed.

    and chasing the mediocre has-been haslem is not the answer.

  • King Black
    July 9, 2010 7:58 p.m.

    @ Everybody

    I keep hearing everybody sit and sober and complain about other teams getting better and better and Utah getting worser and worser...

    well who in the West coast has made any big signs besides the Laker's signing Blake; Warriors trading for Lee but lost a couple good players; and I think Minnesota has done something.....

    If you ask me There has only been a couple of teams in the NBA who have really done anything at all....

    Look Utah can offer people stuff all they want but if a player does not want to play for a team then there ain't nothing money or a Manager is going to be able to do...

    You guys know that Utah is one of the most hated or
    unwanted places that any High End player wants to go to year in and year out. But yet Utah still manages with what they can get.....

    Have any doubt in what Sloan can do with a team full with a bunch of no namers just look at that same year after Stockton and Malone left They weren't suppose to win 9 games but ended up winning 42.

  • TrueFan
    July 9, 2010 7:09 p.m.

    "Possible" Jazz roster next season:

    Point Guard: Deron Williams, Ronnie Price, Sundiata Gaines

    Shooting Guard: Wesley Matthews, Gordon Hayward

    Small Forward: C.J. Miles, Andrei Kirilenko

    Power Forward: Paul Millsap, Udonis Haslem

    Center: Mehmet Okur, Krylo Fesenko, Kosta Koufos

    13th man: Either Evans or Jeffers.

    I'm good with that team (for one year). Then cap rooms opens up next summer, so we could be major players in the free agency market, or will have more flexability to make trades. Maybe Tomic comes over as well, and we add another first round draft pick. Not next season, but the following year, we could be back to being a 50+ win team. Probably about a 45 win team with the above roster. If that's a "down" year, I'll take it.

  • SportsFan12
    July 9, 2010 7:01 p.m.

    AK is not a true power forward. How is he gonna play with his back to the basket? Not gonna happen. I love him but that's not an answer to the problem. And I love Millsap too but you saw what happened in the L.A. series: he's too short to be effective against Gasol and Bynum. We need a bigger power forward that can score. I'm not saying Haslem is necessarily the answer to our problem, but we need a good strong big guy to do that.

  • byronbca
    July 9, 2010 6:41 p.m.

    Haslem is a fine player, but he plays the same position as Milsap and AK, so I don’t see how he can really help this team. I heard a rumor on the radio about NO trying to get rid of Okafor to save cap space, if the Jazz could pull that off KOC would look like a genius, and the Jazz might be better this year than last.

  • Kyle loves BYU/Jazz
    July 9, 2010 6:21 p.m.

    I agree with Houdini. AK and Millsap will do great at PF. Get a center and another wing!!!

    We don't need a PF. We've already got 26 million spent on that position!

  • The Final Word
    July 9, 2010 6:12 p.m.

    So many people are just clueless on the Matthews issue. What makes you think if the Jazz offered Matthews a very reasonable offer of 4-5 million he would take it? He is not required to sign it.

    He would likely just keep fishing for higher offers.

    As it stands now the Jazz will not pay any more than they have decided he is worth. Period. No downside.

    Millsap was worth what they paid for him.

    The potential upside is if the other teams never actually materialize into actual offers...then the Jazz have the upper hand in negotiations.

    If the Blazers then make some ridiculous offer then all that would accomplish is they would be overpaying alot for a bench/role player. How much would he play behind Roy? Is that wise to dump gobs of money on a guy who will play 10-12 minutes a night?

    Go for it Portland.

    Besides most teams know that unless they overpay now, the Jazz are likely to match given that Booz and Korver just left.

    Haslem would be a decent pick up.

    Hard worker--better defender than Booz or Korver.

  • kman
    July 9, 2010 5:46 p.m.

    Haslem is the best this team can get?? COME ON!!!!!!
    many teams get better and better the Jazz get worst and worst, not fair!

  • BillM75
    July 9, 2010 5:46 p.m.

    I'll take Haslem, as long as his attitude is fine and they don't overpay.

    I don't know what the Jazz are waiting for with Matthews, gotta get that done before they can do anything else or it could screw up the MLE, per Dave Locke.

    Jefferson is overpaid, banged up & bitter. Feel bad for what happened to him but donotwantnow.

  • The Great Houdini
    July 9, 2010 5:35 p.m.

    Haslem....very average to below average,we have 2 PF`s,NEED A CENTER

  • MWL
    July 9, 2010 5:03 p.m.

    I say good luck to Korver. Cant defend and turns the ball over way too much.

  • Chuck Nunn
    July 9, 2010 4:58 p.m.

    Hey, Jody, don't the Heat have Haslem's Early Bird rights? Depending on what they want to pay, couldn't they offer him more than just vets' minimum? He'd probably require all of Utah's MLE to get him here, which could be problematic in matching an offer to Wes Matthews. He's a proven player though, and I would love to have him here.

  • Roundabout
    July 9, 2010 4:53 p.m.

    Yeah, it's kinda ho-hum, but certainly better than some other names I've seen thrown around like Gortat.

    Wouldn't mind them going after Al Jefferson even with the size of his contract.

  • TrueFan
    July 9, 2010 4:46 p.m.

    I've been hoping for Haslem all along. He's one of my favorite players. Too bad were losing Korver to Chicago though.

  • goutahutes
    July 9, 2010 4:45 p.m.

    Nice KOC sign another undersized power forward. The Jazz just sit back and do nothing, like always, as other teams try and get better. Boozer is gone. Korver is gone. The Jazz are worse, KOC just sits back and waits for Portland to make another "toxic" offer on our restricted free agents. Just get Matthews signed and make a move. We are not trying to get better.

  • klepsydra
    July 9, 2010 4:42 p.m.

    Hmmm so it looks like we are going to trade Boozer for Haslem (a downgrade), and Korver (who just signed with CHI) for possibly Brewer?.

  • Captain L
    July 9, 2010 4:38 p.m.

    Haslem would be a good stop gap measure for a few years until Tomic comes over and Fes and KK develop. Haslem is solid, professional, tough, and would fit in Sloans system pretty good. He is short and that is a problem but if Fes and or KK can improve enough to play rotation type minutes we would be OK.
    It is good to hear KOC is looking, I've said all along KOC is on the phone all the time exploring possible trades etc, we usually don't hear about it though.

  • G-Swenz
    July 9, 2010 4:20 p.m.

    Well, I can't say that it would be a bad move. We'll have to make good use of those trade exceptions this year though.