Both the Cleveland Cavs and the Toronto Raptors decided that if their star was
going to leave town, they might as well get something in return. Both teams are
participating in sign-and-trade transactions. The Cavs and Raptors both netted
first-round draft picks and large trade exceptions for their trouble."Did the Jazz get a first rounder? No.
Most of the would-be general managers here talking about what a lousy job
O'Connor is doing probably have no idea what constraints a real-life GM faces in
the NBA. The salary cap, luxury tax, exceptions, contract variables,
overseas players, language barriers, off court risks, and still more need to be
considered and managed, along with all the other variables of system, talent,
attitude, and injuries. It's like playing chess on a board that's 64x64.The truth is simple: Utah is one of the most successful teams in the
NBA, year-in, year-out. It certainly is one of the most successful small teams
by far. How many teams have actually won a championship in the past two decades
- five or so?Let's be true fans and stay positive - even with
suggestions. All the negativity is like spitting into the wind - it does nobody
any good and only hurts ourselves.
Millsap is making what 6 million a year now, I think he'll more than earn his
salary. Sure he got a big bonus at the start of the contract but I see that as a
reward for his playing for 2nd round money. I'm guessing Millsap will average at
least 15 and 10. They've made bad decisions in the past (Memo extension,
really?), so it's all about what they do next. Don't use the exception for the
sake of using the exception, meaning don't take on a bad contract. There are
still players to be had, let's hope KOC is smart, aggressive and lands the right
Truth is... I know more about the Jazz then Coach SantaBarbara Or Buzzoff!!!...
But the moves they have made in the past few years makes no sense?... What I can
say is in the coming months that the Jazz make some good choices... And to not
blow the budget like they did on A.K. or Ostertag, Or even Milsap!!... I ust
Milsap can play to the moneynthey paid him... Time to find out???
Other teams are filling thiers rosters with 1st round drafted stars,While the jazz is filling thier roster with:d-leaguers,2nd rounders,non drafted players, and unwanted cast offs from
other teamsand even their own past cast offsGuess which
teams will win a championship first.
In the playoffs Millsap played PF and his WP48 jumped up in to .28 and Boozer
who played mostly C dropped to .18. That is why I am not worried about the PF
position. However, dropping from Boozer at .18 or even from Okur at
.05 to -.12 (Fez/Koufos)is falling off of a cliff at C. The Jazz
absolutely have to fix this black hole or they will not compete. Fes and Koufos
will improve with playing time. However if they even get above 0 near Okur that
is a lot of improvement. They are not as bad as Collins this year or last but
you do not want anyone on the court for substantial minutes with a negative
WP48. It is a catch 22. They can't get better without playing time
but they hurt the team unless they can rebound and shoot well enough to get to
at least a positive WP48. Fes had one game where he rebounded 11
rebounds. His WP48 for that game was about .27. He had other games that drug
his average down. Korver at .10 can be dealt with if he is not
To Menace To Society"Yeah your right I dont, I am not rich enough.
Hey you endorse AL Harrington, totally cool. I am down for what truly helps the
Jazz.Shaqqie Atlanta or Spurs is rumorI assume he
is no good for Sloan and his "sloanaholics"?Just ASkingWhat about Shaqqie back up Z?Just ASking
@menacetosocietyYeah, Trail Blazer always does that. He's upset
that you used the term "jailblazer" too. He always comments at how that term
doesn't describe Portland anymore, lol. He's trying to compensate for the lack
of success of his team :)I think the Jazz will make good use of the
TPE. Go Jazz!
I expect Mathews to raise his WP48. So he will be .10 to .15. Millsap should go
back up to about .25. AK will go up a little to .25. If Gaines replaced Price
that would help, .18. Based on what we have seen so far of Hayward he should
have a positive WP48. est .0 to .15. If the Jazz add Amundson or
Mahimni they both have WP 48s around .20. Gortat would be a good
move. If the Jazz could get an older experienced C for cheap for a
year with a good WP48 it might fix this year. They can rebuild while posturing
for the new CBA. They can make big moves when the right players come along. Pryzbilla had a higher WP48 than Boozer before he got injured. Who knows
if he can still play.
A Portland fan talking trash. Your owner fired your GM right before the draft,
but still had him run the draft. Hahaha. I'm sure the Jail Blazers picked up
some excellent players!It sounds like O'Connor should try to work
over a cheap team trying to shed salary. We just have to remember he can't
force anyone to do anything. This is real life NBA, not the video game. I vote
for a three like Al Harrington, allowing AK to play more four, and a back up
five (although good luck finding a back up five not named Erick Dampier that
someone is willing to give up).Who are you kidding, Todd? You's got
no steak and eggs to bet. Maybe a 99 cent breakfast sandwich with a fast food
Utah currently has a WP48 line up of:DWill .25, Gaines .17, Price
-.01Mathews .06, OJ .09CJ -.01 Hayward ?Fes -.11, Koufos
-12Millsap .15 AK .21? Korver .11, Okur .05, Brewer .09The big hole is at C. If Korver is gone there is a hole at
wing especially in shooting. PF is covered but Millsap/AK will require more
outside shooting than Boozer did. We do not know what Hayward's WP48
will be. CJ has to improve his shooting percentage by 5% and he will have a
decent WP48.Boozer .293 His rebounding and shooting have to be
replaced. The Wp48s of Millsap and AK will rise as Millsap starts and AK play
PF. Koufos and Fes will have to rebound and dramatically improve in
shooting. The average C is .22 in WP48.Okur over the last 4 years
has declined from about average to .05. It is unlikely he will do better this
year when he returns. The Jazz can contend if they can max the team
WP48. They just lost .29 + .11 + .05 in Boozer, Korver and Okur. 2 players with
a WP48 of .20 each would offset that.
JJ Hickson and Big Z are on the trading block. Actually Z is an unrestricted FA.
JJ has a salary of 1.5 mill. Z could fill in at C for a year if the
Jazz could get him. He still had decent numbers in CLE in a limited role. Good old "King James" the icon of the NBA left CLE high and dry with no
trade exemption. He kicked them as he went to MIA. He is making Boozer look like
a saint. They appear to be in fire sale mode now instead of later. It makes no sense to trade Hickson unless they get someone back they really
Al Harrington hurt the jazz if I remember in a close loss at ESA 2 seasons ago.
He has a great midrange jumper, I know that much. I guess he is the rumored one
coming hereI would bet my steak and eggs though O Connor will let
everyone else pick up theyr'e favorite players, leaving him with the crust from
your wheat toast
It would be a great pick to get Jefferson. But we need to get some better play
out of Fes or 2K also. They either need them to step up or cut them.
I think the Jazz should go after Shannon Brown, shooting gaurd with serious hops
played behind Koby, Tyson Chandler a good defensive Center. or Marcus Camby for
defensive. Marvin Williams at Power forward or trade draft picks to a
financially strapped team like the Hornets and get Omeka Okafor. I also like Al
Jefferson, but his contract is like 3 years left 13,14 ,15 million. but he is a
double double machine.
There are some people that are excited about these TPE. I doubt these will
provide great improvement to the Jazz roster. It just allows Utah to
participate in trade that would ordinarily put them over the cap. Allowing more
salary to be sent to Utah then out of Utah.That means Utah can
either absorb a ridiculous overpaid contract that another team in the league
wants to dump, that means a player is under performing. The other option is the
Jazz providing key assets in a trade for another player. I hope
something good comes of these exceptions, but my guess is it is going to be much
less substantial then many are hoping for.
The Boozer/Okur experiment is over. They both were good and both had
limitations. They were not going to produce a championship. The
biggest hole on the Jazz is C/backup PF. The second biggest hole is outside
shooting. It will take 2 or more years to develop Fes/Koufos. They
may develop into a major force or forever be bench material but they will
improve with playing time. It will take a year or more for Hayward
to develop. Korver will probably have to be replaced. The Jazz need to get a cheap back up C/PF for when Millsap/AK/Fes/Koufos are
injured. Mahimni would sign a 1 year for cheap. Amundsen would take
a longer contract for more but has options like staying at PHO where he gets a
lot of playing time. The Jazz do not want big long contracts like
Jefferson before the new CBA. They need to take this year to fix their
financial structure and patiently get the right players as they can. By Christmas they can decide on Fes/Koufos and make a move if necessary. They
need to fix the outside shooting now.
Now that we have this great wiggle room and some options to bring in some good
players, get Brewer back and get rid of MILES. Then get rid of AK so we have
even more wiggle room for next years free agency. I like AK but his personality
is not a really good fit here in UT. He has to big of an ego plus his style of
play has not been working for us. Maybe this year will be when he breaks out or
reverts to his first year here.Possible starting line up. Memo, AK,
Milsap, Korver, DWill. Or 2K or Fes, Memo, Milsap, Korver, and DWill. then we
can bring in Matthews, Hayward off the bench to put a spark into the offense and
the Jazz need to use the trade exeption for a big man. The wolves are shopping
Al Jefferson and I hope the Jazz pick him up. He's 6'11 and a legit 20/10 big
who's only 25. His style of play is a great fit for the Jazz system.
@ Samise, couldn't agree moreThere are a lot of other teams out
there with TPE's right now. If a team is looking to dump a salary I'm pretty
sure there is going to be more than one team looking to pick up a good player. I
hope the Jazz can be aggressive and use them.
patriot,i don't agree with you. sure, they've cleaned out the fridge a
bit, but there are still several delicacies left.for example:dwill (best point in the league, hands down)millsap (one of the top
small forwards in the league)okur (when healthy, an excellent perimeter
shooter as well as rebounder and decent defender)koufus (trust me on this
one. if the jazz staff are smart, they'll work with this dude a bit more. he
moves pretty well for a 265 lb, 7 footer. he's aggressive, much like dwill and
millsap and he's only 21)all we need is a decent pf and with $13
mil, we can get a GOOD pf.
@Samwise, well said!
Utah has cleaned out the fridge but now they have no food left .. to help Darrin
Williams. The Jazz need a 6'10 + power forward from another team or from Europe
and they probably need a proven NBA player who can come in and contribute right
away - like Jeff Hornesek. The clock is ticking and big decisions are on the
Portland Trail Blazers | 9:24 a.m. July 9, 2010Let's be honest, Jazz GM
and ownership are just gonna blow it again, do not get your hopes up Jazz
fans._________Go back to Portland. You can come back and
talk trash when you guys actually beat the Jazz.
So Jazz fans: now that your team has all this "wiggle room", which slow, white,
overpaid, Eastern European big man should KOC go for?
Let's be honest, Jazz GM and ownership are just gonna blow it again, do not get
your hopes up Jazz fans.
Dear Utah Jazz,Please use all of your trade exceptions to get some good
players and improve your roster. Don't let any of them go to waste. That would
be much appreciated. I will enjoy cheering for you either way, but the enjoyment
will be increased greatly with a better team.Sincerely,A loyal
lifetime Utah Jazz fan
The Jazz (and all small market teams) have to change their business model. They
will not survive the "King James precedent". They have to lobby hard and enact a
hard cap at around 70 mill. If they do not they will lose their
draft picks to free agency and the NBA will have 5 or 6 super teams and 25+
foils. Most of the foils will be money losers with no hope of fixing the
problem. The Jazz can't win a championship chasing "stars". That is
also true for most small market teams. They have to have another approach. The team can maximize the team WP48. WP48 is the best predictor of
regular season wins (seeding) and a very good predictor of playoff success. Most teams do not pay much attention to WP48 in selecting players. They
overpay for points and ignore rebounding and defense. If the Jazz
max the team WP48 and select ideal players for the Sloan flex at each position
they can challenge while being in the low lux tax.
Are you kidding Jazz Cop? Second rounders are usually a waste anyway, they
rarely turn out to be worthwhile. In exchange, we got the ability to trade for
someone with actual proven talent. This was sweet!
sounds like a wasted second rounder to me. who are the jazz going to use this
exception for, just keep the second rounder.
If the Jazz have all this money to play with I watched O Connor interview after
our Summer League game and he actually sounded "giddy" about acquiring players
in this trade exception.Put your actions then where his mouth is and
at least give us some hope for the future and for DWIl