TPE gives Utah Jazz some trading wiggle room


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  • SportzFan
    July 10, 2010 3:39 p.m.

    Both the Cleveland Cavs and the Toronto Raptors decided that if their star was going to leave town, they might as well get something in return. Both teams are participating in sign-and-trade transactions. The Cavs and Raptors both netted first-round draft picks and large trade exceptions for their trouble."

    Did the Jazz get a first rounder? No.

  • Utah Valley Guy
    July 9, 2010 11:44 p.m.

    Most of the would-be general managers here talking about what a lousy job O'Connor is doing probably have no idea what constraints a real-life GM faces in the NBA.

    The salary cap, luxury tax, exceptions, contract variables, overseas players, language barriers, off court risks, and still more need to be considered and managed, along with all the other variables of system, talent, attitude, and injuries. It's like playing chess on a board that's 64x64.

    The truth is simple: Utah is one of the most successful teams in the NBA, year-in, year-out. It certainly is one of the most successful small teams by far. How many teams have actually won a championship in the past two decades - five or so?

    Let's be true fans and stay positive - even with suggestions. All the negativity is like spitting into the wind - it does nobody any good and only hurts ourselves.

  • Jesse
    July 9, 2010 10:59 p.m.

    Millsap is making what 6 million a year now, I think he'll more than earn his salary. Sure he got a big bonus at the start of the contract but I see that as a reward for his playing for 2nd round money. I'm guessing Millsap will average at least 15 and 10. They've made bad decisions in the past (Memo extension, really?), so it's all about what they do next. Don't use the exception for the sake of using the exception, meaning don't take on a bad contract. There are still players to be had, let's hope KOC is smart, aggressive and lands the right players.

  • Johnson72
    July 9, 2010 10:31 p.m.

    Truth is... I know more about the Jazz then Coach SantaBarbara Or Buzzoff!!!... But the moves they have made in the past few years makes no sense?... What I can say is in the coming months that the Jazz make some good choices... And to not blow the budget like they did on A.K. or Ostertag, Or even Milsap!!... I ust Milsap can play to the moneynthey paid him... Time to find out???

  • Jazzsmack
    July 9, 2010 7:38 p.m.

    Other teams are filling thiers rosters with 1st round drafted stars,

    While the jazz is filling thier roster with:

    2nd rounders,
    non drafted players,
    and unwanted cast offs from other teams
    and even their own past cast offs

    Guess which teams will win a championship first.

  • Bugoff
    July 9, 2010 3:16 p.m.

    In the playoffs Millsap played PF and his WP48 jumped up in to .28 and Boozer who played mostly C dropped to .18. That is why I am not worried about the PF position.

    However, dropping from Boozer at .18 or even from Okur at .05 to -.12 (Fez/Koufos)is falling off of a cliff at C.

    The Jazz absolutely have to fix this black hole or they will not compete. Fes and Koufos will improve with playing time. However if they even get above 0 near Okur that is a lot of improvement. They are not as bad as Collins this year or last but you do not want anyone on the court for substantial minutes with a negative WP48.

    It is a catch 22. They can't get better without playing time but they hurt the team unless they can rebound and shoot well enough to get to at least a positive WP48.

    Fes had one game where he rebounded 11 rebounds. His WP48 for that game was about .27. He had other games that drug his average down.

    Korver at .10 can be dealt with if he is not signed.

  • toddfromsantaana
    July 9, 2010 2:03 p.m.

    To Menace To Society"

    Yeah your right I dont, I am not rich enough. Hey you endorse AL Harrington, totally cool. I am down for what truly helps the Jazz.

    Shaqqie Atlanta or Spurs is rumor

    I assume he is no good for Sloan and his "sloanaholics"?

    Just ASking

    What about Shaqqie back up Z?

    Just ASking

  • T-spoon
    July 9, 2010 1:18 p.m.


    Yeah, Trail Blazer always does that. He's upset that you used the term "jailblazer" too. He always comments at how that term doesn't describe Portland anymore, lol. He's trying to compensate for the lack of success of his team :)

    I think the Jazz will make good use of the TPE.

    Go Jazz!

  • Bugoff
    July 9, 2010 1:15 p.m.

    I expect Mathews to raise his WP48. So he will be .10 to .15. Millsap should go back up to about .25. AK will go up a little to .25. If Gaines replaced Price that would help, .18. Based on what we have seen so far of Hayward he should have a positive WP48. est .0 to .15.

    If the Jazz add Amundson or Mahimni they both have WP 48s around .20.

    Gortat would be a good move.

    If the Jazz could get an older experienced C for cheap for a year with a good WP48 it might fix this year. They can rebuild while posturing for the new CBA. They can make big moves when the right players come along.

    Pryzbilla had a higher WP48 than Boozer before he got injured. Who knows if he can still play.

  • MenaceToSociety
    July 9, 2010 12:51 p.m.

    A Portland fan talking trash. Your owner fired your GM right before the draft, but still had him run the draft. Hahaha. I'm sure the Jail Blazers picked up some excellent players!

    It sounds like O'Connor should try to work over a cheap team trying to shed salary. We just have to remember he can't force anyone to do anything. This is real life NBA, not the video game. I vote for a three like Al Harrington, allowing AK to play more four, and a back up five (although good luck finding a back up five not named Erick Dampier that someone is willing to give up).

    Who are you kidding, Todd? You's got no steak and eggs to bet. Maybe a 99 cent breakfast sandwich with a fast food joint coupon.

  • Bugoff
    July 9, 2010 12:43 p.m.

    Utah currently has a WP48 line up of:

    DWill .25, Gaines .17, Price -.01
    Mathews .06, OJ .09
    CJ -.01 Hayward ?
    Fes -.11, Koufos -12
    Millsap .15 AK .21

    ? Korver .11, Okur .05, Brewer .09

    The big hole is at C.

    If Korver is gone there is a hole at wing especially in shooting. PF is covered but Millsap/AK will require more outside shooting than Boozer did.

    We do not know what Hayward's WP48 will be. CJ has to improve his shooting percentage by 5% and he will have a decent WP48.

    Boozer .293 His rebounding and shooting have to be replaced. The Wp48s of Millsap and AK will rise as Millsap starts and AK play PF.

    Koufos and Fes will have to rebound and dramatically improve in shooting. The average C is .22 in WP48.

    Okur over the last 4 years has declined from about average to .05. It is unlikely he will do better this year when he returns.

    The Jazz can contend if they can max the team WP48. They just lost .29 + .11 + .05 in Boozer, Korver and Okur. 2 players with a WP48 of .20 each would offset that.

  • Bugoff
    July 9, 2010 12:22 p.m.

    JJ Hickson and Big Z are on the trading block. Actually Z is an unrestricted FA.

    JJ has a salary of 1.5 mill. Z could fill in at C for a year if the Jazz could get him. He still had decent numbers in CLE in a limited role.

    Good old "King James" the icon of the NBA left CLE high and dry with no trade exemption. He kicked them as he went to MIA. He is making Boozer look like a saint. They appear to be in fire sale mode now instead of later.

    It makes no sense to trade Hickson unless they get someone back they really need.

  • toddfromsantaana
    July 9, 2010 12:12 p.m.

    Al Harrington hurt the jazz if I remember in a close loss at ESA 2 seasons ago. He has a great midrange jumper, I know that much. I guess he is the rumored one coming here

    I would bet my steak and eggs though O Connor will let everyone else pick up theyr'e favorite players, leaving him with the crust from your wheat toast

  • WYoJazzFan
    July 9, 2010 11:46 a.m.

    It would be a great pick to get Jefferson. But we need to get some better play out of Fes or 2K also. They either need them to step up or cut them.

  • Jazz-Nation
    July 9, 2010 11:41 a.m.

    I think the Jazz should go after Shannon Brown, shooting gaurd with serious hops played behind Koby, Tyson Chandler a good defensive Center. or Marcus Camby for defensive. Marvin Williams at Power forward or trade draft picks to a financially strapped team like the Hornets and get Omeka Okafor. I also like Al Jefferson, but his contract is like 3 years left 13,14 ,15 million. but he is a double double machine.

  • klepsydra
    July 9, 2010 11:32 a.m.

    There are some people that are excited about these TPE. I doubt these will provide great improvement to the Jazz roster. It just allows Utah to participate in trade that would ordinarily put them over the cap. Allowing more salary to be sent to Utah then out of Utah.

    That means Utah can either absorb a ridiculous overpaid contract that another team in the league wants to dump, that means a player is under performing. The other option is the Jazz providing key assets in a trade for another player.

    I hope something good comes of these exceptions, but my guess is it is going to be much less substantial then many are hoping for.

  • Bugoff
    July 9, 2010 11:32 a.m.

    The Boozer/Okur experiment is over. They both were good and both had limitations. They were not going to produce a championship.

    The biggest hole on the Jazz is C/backup PF. The second biggest hole is outside shooting.

    It will take 2 or more years to develop Fes/Koufos. They may develop into a major force or forever be bench material but they will improve with playing time.

    It will take a year or more for Hayward to develop.

    Korver will probably have to be replaced.

    The Jazz need to get a cheap back up C/PF for when Millsap/AK/Fes/Koufos are injured.

    Mahimni would sign a 1 year for cheap. Amundsen would take a longer contract for more but has options like staying at PHO where he gets a lot of playing time.

    The Jazz do not want big long contracts like Jefferson before the new CBA. They need to take this year to fix their financial structure and patiently get the right players as they can.

    By Christmas they can decide on Fes/Koufos and make a move if necessary. They need to fix the outside shooting now.

  • WYoJazzFan
    July 9, 2010 11:25 a.m.

    Now that we have this great wiggle room and some options to bring in some good players, get Brewer back and get rid of MILES. Then get rid of AK so we have even more wiggle room for next years free agency. I like AK but his personality is not a really good fit here in UT. He has to big of an ego plus his style of play has not been working for us. Maybe this year will be when he breaks out or reverts to his first year here.
    Possible starting line up. Memo, AK, Milsap, Korver, DWill. Or 2K or Fes, Memo, Milsap, Korver, and DWill. then we can bring in Matthews, Hayward off the bench to put a spark into the offense and DEFENSE!!

  • jazzfanincali
    July 9, 2010 11:03 a.m.

    the Jazz need to use the trade exeption for a big man. The wolves are shopping Al Jefferson and I hope the Jazz pick him up. He's 6'11 and a legit 20/10 big who's only 25. His style of play is a great fit for the Jazz system.

  • Kyle loves BYU/Jazz
    July 9, 2010 10:50 a.m.

    @ Samise, couldn't agree more

    There are a lot of other teams out there with TPE's right now. If a team is looking to dump a salary I'm pretty sure there is going to be more than one team looking to pick up a good player. I hope the Jazz can be aggressive and use them.

  • dwillfan
    July 9, 2010 10:43 a.m.

    i don't agree with you. sure, they've cleaned out the fridge a bit, but there are still several delicacies left.

    for example:
    dwill (best point in the league, hands down)
    millsap (one of the top small forwards in the league)
    okur (when healthy, an excellent perimeter shooter as well as rebounder and decent defender)
    koufus (trust me on this one. if the jazz staff are smart, they'll work with this dude a bit more. he moves pretty well for a 265 lb, 7 footer. he's aggressive, much like dwill and millsap and he's only 21)

    all we need is a decent pf and with $13 mil, we can get a GOOD pf.

  • JFFR
    July 9, 2010 9:49 a.m.

    @Samwise, well said!

  • patriot
    July 9, 2010 9:48 a.m.

    Utah has cleaned out the fridge but now they have no food left .. to help Darrin Williams. The Jazz need a 6'10 + power forward from another team or from Europe and they probably need a proven NBA player who can come in and contribute right away - like Jeff Hornesek. The clock is ticking and big decisions are on the table.

  • negman
    July 9, 2010 9:38 a.m.

    Portland Trail Blazers | 9:24 a.m. July 9, 2010
    Let's be honest, Jazz GM and ownership are just gonna blow it again, do not get your hopes up Jazz fans.


    Go back to Portland. You can come back and talk trash when you guys actually beat the Jazz.

  • Brave Sir Robin
    July 9, 2010 9:30 a.m.

    So Jazz fans: now that your team has all this "wiggle room", which slow, white, overpaid, Eastern European big man should KOC go for?

  • Portland Trail Blazers
    July 9, 2010 9:24 a.m.

    Let's be honest, Jazz GM and ownership are just gonna blow it again, do not get your hopes up Jazz fans.

  • Samwise
    July 9, 2010 9:12 a.m.

    Dear Utah Jazz,
    Please use all of your trade exceptions to get some good players and improve your roster. Don't let any of them go to waste. That would be much appreciated. I will enjoy cheering for you either way, but the enjoyment will be increased greatly with a better team.
    A loyal lifetime Utah Jazz fan

  • Bugoff
    July 9, 2010 8:57 a.m.

    The Jazz (and all small market teams) have to change their business model. They will not survive the "King James precedent". They have to lobby hard and enact a hard cap at around 70 mill.

    If they do not they will lose their draft picks to free agency and the NBA will have 5 or 6 super teams and 25+ foils. Most of the foils will be money losers with no hope of fixing the problem.

    The Jazz can't win a championship chasing "stars". That is also true for most small market teams. They have to have another approach.

    The team can maximize the team WP48. WP48 is the best predictor of regular season wins (seeding) and a very good predictor of playoff success.

    Most teams do not pay much attention to WP48 in selecting players. They overpay for points and ignore rebounding and defense.

    If the Jazz max the team WP48 and select ideal players for the Sloan flex at each position they can challenge while being in the low lux tax.

  • livestrong
    July 9, 2010 7:53 a.m.

    Are you kidding Jazz Cop? Second rounders are usually a waste anyway, they rarely turn out to be worthwhile. In exchange, we got the ability to trade for someone with actual proven talent. This was sweet!

  • Jazz Cop
    July 9, 2010 7:32 a.m.

    sounds like a wasted second rounder to me. who are the jazz going to use this exception for, just keep the second rounder.

  • toddfromsantaana
    July 9, 2010 12:53 a.m.

    If the Jazz have all this money to play with I watched O Connor interview after our Summer League game and he actually sounded "giddy" about acquiring players in this trade exception.

    Put your actions then where his mouth is and at least give us some hope for the future and for DWIl