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Published: Thursday, July 1 2010 11:59 p.m. MDT

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Bugoff

The Jazz burn themselves over and over. It is bad management. After Millsap they should have learned.

They knew they were going to resign Mathews by Christmas. They should have negotiated at least a team option for next year at that time.

Explain to me why ALL role players' contracts do not include a team option year. Fes comes to mind.

Why they mismanage role players is beyond me. They had all of the leverage at Christmas. If Mathews did not want to sign an extension then they could just have given him less minutes and less of a role and kept Brewer.

They should have signed Mathews before they traded Brewer. Don't tell me Mathews would have refused to sign anything reasonable before he was the starter. The Jazz knew they were going to make him the starter and move Brewer.

There are major problems in the front office. Further, they refuse to learn from their mistakes.

They are not as bad as MN, MEM, DET or maybe LAC but they are certainly not managed as well as they should be. They are full of costly unexplainable quirks.

Small wonder they are over the lux tax.

Jim Marshall

I have lost faith in management. Kevin O Connor has made so many mistakes playing it safe that we are stuck in a cycle of mediocrity. That is why the Hayward pick was booed. Safe. Always safe. Give us change. Give us some hope. Something different to watch. We have seen this movie before and we already know how it ends.

The Miller's loyalty has always been considered a great asset, though they should be reminded that blind loyalty is really stupidity. When do they hold the staff accountable? Or do they even care about winning; probably not as long as we sheep continue to buy their product.

What's up?

Hey Rock,

How many "top of the line luxury items" seem to be interested in the JAZZ?

byronbca

I think the max for Mathews would be 4 million, maybe 4.5 million if it’s front loaded. I really like Mathews but the fact is that the 2 guard is the deepest position in basketball. Yes Mathews is one of the better defenders on the team, but he’s also only 6'4" so most 2 guards can put up a shot against him regardless of how well he’s playing defense.

If Portland offers him a contract of 6 million we have to let him walk. That contract would be poison for Utah, but it would be especially venomous for Portland. If Portland wants to pay 6 mil a year for a guy that will only get 6 minutes a game at his best position, then that would help Utah more than it would Portland.

But I hope we can keep him.

johntakarl

Oh Jim Marshall....

O'conner is the best GM out there. Small market jazz, no free agents that want to be here and he has managed to keep the team, actually make the team competitive again. Absolutle stud, he is the one that needs the pay raise. Alot of Jazz fans as yourself are so unrealistic as to what a GM has control over. Condider yourself lucky...

Portland Trail Blazers

Wesley matthews would fit in at Portland's system but like mentioned already, he will ride the bench.

Obviosuly Roy is the starter and All-Star on Portland and if Rudy stays, he is roy's backup, but if Rudy goes, Matthews will become Roy's backup and perhaps Portland's overall 6th man!

Go Blazers!

toddfromsantaana

jim Marshall:

finally an intelligent post

Large Tuna

I'm pretty confident he won't gen an offer any higher than CJ did with the Thunder. If that's the case I'd match it. But like mentioned above, I probably wouldn't pay more than 4mil. Portland is just waiting to see what Rudy does; Matthews is their plan B. There is no room for him on that team right now, and if they were dumb enough to offer a 4mil/yr contract for a player they wont use, let them do it, it will only help the jazz save money and get deeper while the Blazers stockpile 1 position.

TrueFan

I think Matthews is a valuable player now, but even more so in the future, because he has a tremendous work ethic. He will get better. I would go as high as 7 million on Matthews, and I think the Jazz will match any offer for him. If your not going to resign Korver (he will most likely cost 5-7 million), then you have to resign Matthews. You can't let them both go. The whole reason we traded Brewer was to give the spot over to Wesley. If you consider he's our starting two guard next season, 5-7 million per season is a steal How many other STARTING two guards in the league make that little of a salary? Not many...if any. If you consider your paying 6-7 million for a guy who will be starting, and not just a bench player, that's a bargain basement price. Just depends on your perspective, and what point of view your looking at it from. The guy is an elite defender. Even Kobe gave him his props after the Lakers series.

Rick

author mentions matthews was "one" of Utah's best defenders ? Not only is he the BEST defender Utah has had in a very long time, he's at the top of the list for being the BEST defender at his position !!!! I watched many of his games living in N.Y. & he's only going to get better.He is level headed & respectful "so far". D-Will gives him high praises so far. When he developes his offensive skills as the years go by, he will be an ALL-STAR in 3 years. Hardly anybody in the NBA likes to or plays above average defense (lazy)..WHEN YOU GET A YOUNG KID WHO'S TAKING CHARGES ON MELO & KOBE, YOU BETTER BACK UP THE BRINKS TRUCK.If Portland continues to go after your players & forces Utah to pay-up, then KOC needs to start looking at Portland players & force their hand.

Portland Trail Blazers

If anything it would hurt the Jazz losing Matthews. Duh.

Either the Jazz lose him to Portland, Portland does give him an offer and Jazz match it, and its will hurt them financially, or nothing happens and he stays with Utah.

Out of those 3 things that can happen, 2 of the the 3 are a negative for the Jazz. So the odds are stocked against Utah again.

JFFR

Matthews is good but he's not great. Is he really that rare of a find, or does Matthews prove that there are plenty of guys outside of the league that are ready to contribute?

Its something that isn't discussed enough and quite frankly should be.

Two years ago Morrow came in and lead the league in 3 point shooting. Last year it was Matthews. There is plenty of thirsty talent that the league isn't picking up in the draft... is it really worth it to give Matthews $5+ million???

blauch

As far as Boozer - The Jazz gave him an offer (not quite max money for not quite max years. Had they given the max (as Atlanta did with Joe Johnson) they would be negotiating with them right now.

Currently - Boozer, Stoudemire and Lee are going to New Jersey, New York, Chicago and Miami to see what they are going to get. The problem is that all the teams are waiting for James, Wade and Bosh to sign before they give the leftover money to players.

I think that New York give Stoudemire max deal soon. They have to believe that they have almost zero chance of signing James without another.

Matthews will be back. Hopefully no teams offers the full mid level exception - I don't see that happening. (Portland won't they are going to use the exception on a PG) If the Jazz do get a toxic offer and don't resign Boozer then that might be good. Lets say it 4 years 15 million. But the first year is 6 million. That means we get Matthews for 3 years at 3 million a year. Pretty good bargain for a starting shooting guard

Jazz Source

re: bugoff

"The Jazz burn themselves over and over. It is bad management. After Millsap they should have learned."

How so?

Over the life of the contract Millsap was signed for a fair market value price. They did not overpay him. The Jazz plan to keep him so how is it they were burned?

Fans never get it.

Its simple really.

Your upside is you can always match AND you might get your player for less than market value if someone does not make an offer.

Downside? You could lose your player but only if someone overpays him which the Jazz were not going to do anyways. So....I'm still waiting for the downside.

Please do share.

The Jazz play it smart and the same way most other teams play it, that know what they are doing. There is more upside than downside.

I'm guessing your idea is to go and offer him what right now? The full midlevel? Do you think he would sign it if he believed he could get more elsewhere? No. Would he take a deal for $2million? no. Bottom line he wants every dime he can get and the Jazz then decide.

Simple.

Jazz Source

re: Truefan

you are true alright..truely clueless.

Matthews is not even worth $6 million let alone 7.

This team would be bankrupt tomorrow with fans like you running it. Paying $7 million for a tweener.

Tweeners are a dime a dozen in the NBA. Matthews is not even very athletic. He is BARELY tall enough (almost too short) for his position given who he has to matchup against/defend. He is an average shooter at best. He is a hard worker and not afraid to be physical which compensates for some of his other mediocre areas.

He has been in college for four years which means he is matured. He does not nor will he have alot more upside. He will probably learn to play smarter but his skillset is his skillset.

$7 million for a player like matthews is clearly too much money. That is only a million less than Millsap who is delivering double doubles on a regular basis!

What planet are you from?

Snark

Hey ToadfrodoSantaClause,
Have you every said anything positive about the Jazz or it's managment? Naysayers are a bore. The fact that you are always critical does not make you a critical thinker. The only praise you ever give is to those who can match your sardonic cynicism and dreary droning.

MOTO X

re: Rick

Matthews an allstar?

Wow.

What meds are you on? Evidently not enough.

Matthews will NEVER sniff an allstar game.

Everyone has gotten so caught up in the feel good story of the undrafted rookie making it.

Here is a reality check for you. New top 10 rookies (some stars/go-to guys for their teams) get around $3 million/YEAR (give or take) for the first two years and then teams get the option for year 3 and 4.

Kyle Korver opted in last seaon because he could not get $6 million last year...the best 3pt shooter in the league!

Niwits are saying Matthews is worth $7 million?

A completely bankrupt organization in 10 minutes if you clowns were running it.

Players Matthews size and athletic abiliity are not hard to find. He is a hard worker and physical defender and is better at that than many but not even close to an allstar. Get serious.

He is not athletic enough to have alot of upside...that is why he was completely passed over in the draft. Matthews is a nice role player and I definitely want him but NEVER over pay for a role player.




JFFR

Matthews is good but he's not great. Is he really that rare of a find, or does Matthews prove that there are plenty of guys outside of the league that are ready to contribute?

Its something that isn't discussed enough and quite frankly should be.

Two years ago Morrow came in and lead the league in 3 point shooting. Last year it was Matthews. There is plenty of thirsty talent that the league isn't picking up in the draft... is it really worth it to give Matthews $5+ million???

Big_Ben

@ JFFR

I agree. In fact, I put 4 million as the absolute max I am willing to match. If Portland wants to give him the full midlevel, let them and he can enjoy sitting the bench behind Brandon Roy. He is a nice player, but not worth a ridiculous offer.

jcrotty25

Once we knew he was really good management/coaching should have sacraficed his playing time and cut it off last year so that he wouldnt be as desirable in this years FA .... and we could have had him for a bargin for several years... but we are too stupid to think long term like that our stupid brass accually thought we had a chance to make the finals with no height/shotblocking and they obviously still do....so we traded brewer and showcased him to the rest of the league .. making him look great in our system now everyone wants him ... good job jazz

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