Chad Ford mention's a possible sign-and-trade with Boozer for Lee. While i dont
think this will happen, and i think Chad Ford is a terrible predictor (see his
mock drafts, he was WAY off), it would be great to pick up Lee.
Boozer will go to either Detroit or NJ, just watch...
A trade with ORL could be very good for the Jazz. They might be able to get
Gortat (6 Mill) and/or Redick (2.9 Mill but an FA) and other consideration for
Boozer For the regular season Gortat had a Wp48 of .16 and Redick
had .12. For the play offs Gortat had .26 and Redick had .09.Ryan
Anderson a PF with a WP 48 of .12 and a salary of 1.3 would also be nice. However the Jazz need to dump salary and ORL does not have any expiring
contracts other than Redick and Anderson (team option next year). ORL may have to work a 3 way to get the salaries to work. Taking
back Lewis (WP48 .01, 19.6 mill)or Carter (WP48 .102, 17.5 mill) would be
poison. Bass has a WP48 of about .05 which is not good for a PF. There is a lot of over paid big name dead wood on the ORL team. It is amazing
they do as well as they do given Lewis and Carter
Bass and Reddick would be a nice consolation.
I would like to see Booz go to Orlando, so we could get something in return,
Bass and JJ Redick would be good pieces and fit well in the Jazz system. If not
Redick, maybe Barnes or Gortat.
Tuna,It would be great to pick up Lee because:he is more
athletic than Boozerhe knows the JAzz style of play better than Boozerhe comes from a pick and roll backgroundhe and Deron get along on the
court like bread and butterhe would be able to operate in Jazz offense
sooner than Boozeror more likely the grass is always greener
syndrome has youtrade Price for Bosh then I will agree the grass is
greener til then, ...stick with the Jazz administration who said their top
priority is resigning Boozer...if they need ideas or help wait for them to call
Ford and many other "experts" have been putting out predictions that haven't
come to fruition. It seems like they are wrong, more then they are right. I
think they just like to throw some out there because it's what they do. My gut
feeling is that Bosh goes Miami. If so, Boozer would be out of the picture for
the Heat. The Jazz can offer him that sixth year on his deal that no other team
can. At the very least, I think the Jazz won't let Boozer leave without some
compensation via sign and trade. The Orlando rumor involved Boozer in exchange
for Gortat, and either Reddick or Pietrius.
No one would have to worry then about David because he brings his lunch pail
every night, He and Milsap I could see would be good friends, they are alot
On further reflection, the Jazz would be better off getting a trade exemption
for Boozer. Trading Boozer with a WP48 of .29 for Gortat with a WP48
of .16 and 10 mill in TE would be okay.Millsap/AK would make up the
WP48 at PF to cover the loss of Boozer and Gortat would be a big upgrade at C.
Which would offset the loss of Boozer. Boozer's WP48 in the playoffs was only
.18.Trading Boozer for any other ORL players they would trade would
not be good for the Jazz. A TE from NY or NJ or one any of the cap
teams could be used to get a great C later in the year. If done
right trading Boozer can really help the Jazz. If done wrong it is better to
save the salary and let him walk.
I am so sick of this picture of Boozer. Anyone else think the DesNews should
find something new to use?
What I don't get is why Boozer would sell his home in Miami, if the Heat were
really interested. I think Amare will go to the Heat, Boozer to the Nets, Joe
Johnson to New York, I also think Lebron's whole "I want to retire the number
23 thing" was actually in preparation for him to make the move to Chicago with
Johnson has a max offer from ATL. Redick may get the a full MLE offer from BOS
to replace Ray Allen.If Bosh is smart he will wait to see what James
does and then follow him. I doubt that James is going to MIA.Based
on WP48s James, Boozer and Wade are the only players worth a max contract.
Boozer's injury history is hurting him. IND has Troy Murphy (11
mill) with an expiring contract that could be gotten in trade. His WP48 is as
good as Boozer's. If the Jazz could get him in a 3 way for Boozer that would
make some sense. He would expire before the new CBA but could be an excellent C.
He would be a great replacement for Okur. Murphy shoots the 3 and has a WP48
similar to Boozer's. The Jazz dramatically improve the team as
Millsap and AK would jump in WP48. While moving Boozer would not lose WP48 while
Murphy only costs 11 mill similar to Okur who would be an expiring when other
teams are cutting lux tax. That is the type of deal that needs to
happen via trade or TE.
Maybe ORL can work a deal to send Murphy to Utah instead of Gortat? That leaves
them Gortat to trade to DAL or who ever for other moves.It is
questionable how much leverage the Jazz are going to have. However, ORL can't
get Boozer without a sign and trade unless they cut a deal with a cap team.
I have an idea. Are you listening (virtually - reading) Kevin O'Connor?New Jersey signs Carlos to a 13M/year contract and then the Jazz TRADE
Andre Kirilenko (17M) for Carlos Boozer. I know it sounds crazy but I'd much
rather have Carlos in a Jazz uniform than Andre and the NJN are trying to be an
'international' team where Andre would fit right in. What say ye?
Actually trading Boozer for Lee is not as bad as signing Boozer to a max and
keeping him. However, neither Lee nor Boozer are the PF that the Jazz need to
beat LA. Why would NY sign and trade Lee (who will make 4-5 mill
less than Boozer) for Boozer? If they want Boozer they will just keep Lee and
add Boozer. Both can play C and PF. Lee is most likely to go to NY,
NJ or PHO.
Boozer will get close to 16 mill in a max deal. If the Jazz do nothing but get a
trade exemption for him and are able to pick up a player like Murphy for 11-12
mill they will have done themselves a big favor. If they can use the
TE to get a younger cheaper PF or C who is ideal for the Sloan flex they will be
building a championship team.Paying Boozer 22-23 mill in year 6 of a
max deal is not very bright. I understand those who fear losing Boozer creates a
hole but giving him a max is like buying Greek bonds. You know you are going to
lose it is just a question of how soon.
I would take Gortat or Lee for Boozer. First choice would be Gortat.Millsap and AK will be fine at PF. If we had a decent center we would have a
better chance against LA than if we keep Boozer.I don't understand
why the Jazz management want Boozer back so badly. It's not the end of the world
if he leaves. I guess it just makes them have to be creative and do something
new which is not the Jazz' forte
jazz bought a greek bond... and i still figure Kosta Koufos as a good prospect
Rumors are that Portland will put an offer on Wesley Matthews soon, since
Webster left POR, POR has coveted MAtthews, they might put millons on him and
will see if Utah matches, again.
Here is my opinion as to what the jazz should do. Frankly, i believe this is
what they are currently doing, otherwise we would have heard about a michael
beasley rumor. I think they just stand still. I think there are
several reasons for this:1. They are good at it, its what they do
every year.2. Ak's salary comes off the books this year.
Additionally, we can get free of Cj's Deal as well and have some money next
year. 3. There is going to be a lockout next year and the salary
cap (and player salaries) are going to come down next year. 4.
There are going to be a LOT of teams in serious financial trouble if that
happens. The Jazz will be able to help other teams by taking on some contracts.
They wont do it for free, we will be well compensated for our help. I think that has to be the plan. With or without boozer, we aren't a real
threat to win this year. I think the team should look long term this offeason.
Resigning Boozer can get the Jazz past the Okur injury. They will play him
mostly at C and Millsap at PF. It is an expensive short run solution that might
get them into the 7th, 8th seed. At this point they do not know if
they are going to get anything out of Okur in the future. Boozer might get them
by until Okur's contract expires. But then Boozer will be hurt (maybe sooner) or
start to decline in production. If the Jazz do not resign Boozer
they have to get more outside shooting and more rebounding to replace his
scoring and rebounding. Hayward is an AK replacement in a year or 2
not a Korver replacement for next year. The Jazz are .500 without Korver but
with Boozer. With or without Boozer the Jazz have to have more
outside shooting or the paint will be packed. Signing Boozer prevents that
getting the shooting. Let Boozer go and get more outside shooting,
get a rebounder or maybe Fes/Koufos step up. Both can rebound.Ideal
would be to exchange (maybe indirectly) Boozer for the PF or C of the future and
add some shooting.
I like the idea of Barnes and Gortat via sign and trade. Barnes is a defensive
banger and he can hit outside shots. Any sign and trade would be
nice.With Free agency opening today it feels like Christmas, but as
a Jazz fan we are hoping that we do not just end up with a lump of coal!GO JAZZ!!!
why do you keep talking about troy murphy he is on the downside ......
especially when we could aquire a young troy murphy for waaaaaaaaay less his
name is Ryan Anderson via orlando ... i think if we could get B. Bass Gortot and
R. Anderson for Boozer we would fill all our holes and be a better team vs. the
Boozer played 41 minutes a games in the Jazz uniform in the playoffs, so clearly
they want him back. But unlike Johnson - who did receive a max offer form
Atlanta - Utah did not give him a max offer. So the game continues. We will
see if another team gives Boozer max money - if not he will probably be back.Here is my pipe dream:The Jazz Sign and trade Boozer for Carter's
expiring contract and then trades Okur for Gortot. The Jazz then
have 36 million in expiring contract. Now the Jazz have to be patient. Because
by the tradeline a team will be looking to shed some major salaries. Last season
Washington trade Jamison, Butler, Haywood, Stevenson for expiring contracts of
Howard, Big Z and Gooden An ExampleDetroit might might just
trade Hamilton or Gordon, Prince, Charlie V for expiring contract (Jazz force
them to add Monroe)LineupWilliams, PriceHamilton,
Matthews, CJAK, Price, HaywoodMillsap, Charlie VGortot, Monroe
I don't know what team would do it but New Orleans, Phili, GS,
Detroit, Clippers all might do it It is just a good possession to be in plus
the Jazz could get AK back
Bugoff, what is wp?
So long Boozer-- wonder how many minutes he'll play in another uniform before
he is "injured".Fragile Boozer.. or is that Lazy????
All this replacing Boozer with another PF talk on these message boards is
driving me nuts. Center people, the Jazz need a Center.Even if
Boozer leaves, the absolute last thing the Jazz need is another PF, right now
it’s their 2nd best position. The Jazz already have 2 very good PFs in
Milsap and AK while right now on day one our best center is Fess. This deal
with Orlando is about Boozer for Gortat, and nobody else, and it’s the
best option available for the Jazz. If the Jazz can pull off this
trade, I honestly believe that the Jazz could be better this year than they were
last year. This trade exception thing could really come in handy.
Next year worries me a bit especially if we don't resign Boozer. He's not the
problem, we just need someone who can guard Gasol. Currently Fesenko is our
best counter for that and Kosta Koufus struggles defensively against playoff
teams. I know Boozer missed 28% of his games but last year it was about 1/3
(33%) so it has improved. I don't see Gortat or David Lee being a better fit
for the Jazz.
The upcoming collective bargaining agreement (CBA) is going to blow a hole in
these teams after the inevitable happens. The owners are going to lock out the
players and bring them to their knees which means salary cap, salaries, and
contract lengths are all going to go DOWN!!When that happens these
teams who are signing these guys, who are not really max players, to max deals
are going to be financially strapped. Ask the Twolves for an
example of how that goes and they will tell you how well they were able to put a
roster together after signing Garnet to a $126 million dollar deal.Joe Johnson, Chris Bosh, Stoudemire and others are ALL NOT max players. None
of them can carry a team like Kobe and LeBron.Stoudemires defense is
as bad or worse than Boozers! Joe Johnson is impressive but not even in the
same breath as LeBron or Kobe so why are they paying him like it? These teams
will be regretting these deals in 3 years when they start losing the
Horfords/supporting cast players because they put all the eggs in one basket.Jazz look to be preparing for the CBA.Gortat please.
If we do lose Boozer to another team which probably might happen. I think The
Jazz need a Center that can Rebound and pass the ball like Amare the problem
with him is he is a great perimeter shooter but I look for the Jazz to go after
Amare to give us a more defensive presence.
The Utah Jazz are one of the softest teams in the NBA..They don't even get in an
oppossing players face when a teammate is decked by a hard or flagrant foul
(creampuffs) ! where is that tuffness sloan has taught ??? a coach that knows
basketball, knows you don't win playoff road games without tuff physical
veterans to lead the way.Since Raja Bell has left, this team has a huge void &
its called a heart.D-Will is showing his emotions more & more on the floor, that
just might be frustration more than anything else ??? LA brought in Ron Artest
because he was a torn in Kobe's side for his tuff play.LA let a real good player
leave for the Rockets to bring tuffness to the team.Now LA is talking about
signing Raja Bell !!! NO TEAM EVER WINS A CHAMPIONSHIP WITHOUT THE
MUCKERS,PLAYERS THAT WILL GET DIRTY & PLAY WITH AN EDGE & DO WHATEVER IT TAKES
TO GET TO THE NEXT ROUND (Rodman, Bowen, Horry)....Sign & trade for Barnes &
steal Raja from LA..This will never happen because they don't have sloans "look"
for a typical Jazz player
Bugoff, I'm as big a Jazz fan as the next guy but man, you really need a
hobby.Sign and trade with ORL with the Jazz getting Gortat and
Pietrus or Reddick.
I would argue that there is only one player in the NBA worth the Max money, and
he plays ball in Los angeles. But, I am also not trying to fill my stadium
@Doug 10: I was just commenting on a scenario that someone else mentioned, take
it easy. I guess I forgot that you've never posted your opinions on
these boards before, my bad. Maybe they haven't called me yet because they're
too busy talking to YOU on the phone? Chill out.
This is nerve racking... I wanna know what KOC has up his sleeve if he does have
anything at all... We need to get somebody before we lose D Will too... Come on
Jazz, Do this for the Fans!!
blauch-- Sorry but thats crazy. Detroit wouldnt give up all that for boozer and
the jazz couldnt take on that much money. And its Hayward by the way. Not
Haywood.I'm in favor of the sign-n-trade for Gortat and
Pietrus/Redick. Fills big needs for both teams.
Barnes is a free agent along with Reddick
I don't think it is going to happen - I said it was a pipe dream. Detroit wouldn't get Boozer, just cap space (Carter and AK expiring contract).
They pretty much Detroit would do what Washington did last season. Washington
traded all their contracts for cap space - they lost a lot of games and got John
Wall, and now once they find a team to take Arenas Salary, they are going to
build a young team. Detroit is going to trade a big portion of their
roster for this year for cap space. Just watch. I don't think they will give up
Monroe. I said it was a pipe dreamAs far as money. AK
is signed by Detroit and bought out and the Jazz resign him for under 1 million
(just like what Washington did last yearSo Even withWilliamsGortatMillsapCharlie VAK (bought out and
resigned for 1 million)RipPrinceThe salary equal under 60
millionThe Jazz can easily get under are under the Luxury Tax.
Anderson is good IF you can get him. Murphy is an expiring contract nest summer
and does not hurt anything. WP48 is winscore adjusted for 48
minutes. Winscore is a formula that accurately predicts the number of win each
player contributes from thier box scores. The higher the winscore the more
contribution to team wins over the regular season. It can also be adjusted for
position so guards (who rebound less) can be compared with Cs. I usually just
site the WP48s that are not adjusted for position.Teams with high
WP48s tend to beat teams with low WP48s. If you get a team (collective of the
best 9 players or so) with a very high WP48 you get a playoff contender.GMs over pay for scoring not necessarily WP48. That means if you are
careful you can put together a contender and pay low lux tax. The
Jazz can over come the "small market" problems by maxing WP48 and create a
contender.Blauch and Jazz Source are right. DET and other teams will
be posturing to get under the new CBA by Christmas. That is a major
reason why I do not want Boozer signed to Utah.
re:Chrisseey1284"I think The Jazz need a Center that can Rebound and
pass the ball like Amare the problem with him is he is a great perimeter shooter
but I look for the Jazz to go after Amare to give us a more defensive
presence."This is a joke right? You are just trying to say something
controversial to stir things up, right? Because you can't be serious with
statements like these.Boozer rebounds as well as Stoudemire or
better--check the stats. Boozer is now, and essentially has to be a pretty good
passer, to survive in the Jazz system. The Jazz lead the league in assists FROM
PASSING MORE THAN OTHER TEAMS. Boozer is not an awesome passer but certainly as
good as Stoudemire.Amare is a great perimeter shooter? What planet
are you from? Boozer is a better jump shooter then Stoudemire. Boozer shot
over 56% last season and Stoudemire shot just under that?Stoudemire?
Defensive presence? HA! He is worse than Boozer or certainly as bad!!Well not to bad...you were wrong, wrong, wrong, and wrong. Never
mind...you don't have a clue what you are talking about.
Only way Utah gets a chapionship is thru a great playere taken in the draft,
example Malone, stockton, duncan, robinson, williams all great players on small
market teams and they were aquired thru the draft. Big name players do not come
to Utah when they can go to LA, New york, Boston, Miami. My suggestion be happy
we not only have a team but a consistant winning team, 2/3rds of the NBA would
like that. If we lose the Jazz or they go broke we can all become Denver Nugget
fans just like all the Bronco fans here in Utah.Be Happy, Enjoy what we
have...leave Miller, O'conner and SLoan to do their job, have a competitive team
in Utah. Look at Dallas all that money and no championship, no stars
Dirk, J-Kidd are not stars? Wow, I rally hope you're joking...They
are both future hall of famer players. I cannot believe you said
we shoulda signed Drew Gooden 5 years 32 million and he is 6'10 taller then
boozer aaaaand waaaay cheaper and can score on the block very underated player
imo.... then add a couple more FA like Turioff and or brad miller and or Hakeem
Warrick... and or brendon Hayward so what im saying is that having Gooden and
one or two of these other guys will make our team alot better so potentially i
think we could have Gooden and two other players !!!!!!!!!!!!!!for the same
money as Boozer ill take that any day we shoulda just done that and let him walk
efff giving him a max and trading him bc we can give him more money i wouldnt
give him the pleasure
I think the Jazz are waiting to see what happens with Boozer, I know they would
like to keep him (not a good idea) but also they might be able to get a couple
of good players in a sign and trade. I would love to see the Jazz do a
sign and trade with Orlando and get Gortat, Bass, or Anderson and a wing like
Redick , Pietrus, or Barnes. With a new CBA coming next year, it may be
wiser to just let Booz go and not take on any salaries, play with the players we
have, lose AK's contract next year and see if we can't be major players when
teams get in trouble because they have over paid this year. There could be alot
of players being dumped because the new CBA could create problems for alot of
teams.Tomic could be brought over next year, sign AK to a reasonable
contract, develop Fes and KK & Hayward and we could be in good shape.
Let Boozer go where ever. I Hope NJ gets skunked on DW, LBJ & Bosch. They may
then not want any of the lesser 4s to cut into Favors PT and with no LBJ or Gay
and no JJ, no quality 3 or 2 available. They would probably have a great need
for a short term 3/4. I would like a 3 way with GS who are dumping salary to
send future pick(NJ's) to GS and AK to NJ with Biedrins coming to UTAH. Biedrins
has 4 years left @ 9M/yr and is a quality 5. This would let Okur spend more time
at the 4.
Let anyone have him, I am tired of him crying all the time, should have dumped
him last year!!! Who needs a whining baby who complains all the time.
Beidrins had some injury problems last year but is normally at least an average
C. He may be better than Gortat. Gortat is 3 Mill cheaper. Korver is
likely gone. The Jazz did inquire about Morrow who is now restricted. Josh Boone might be worth a look especially since Favors in now at NJ. A lot of teams are talking about Lee since he is cheaper and less injury
prone than Boozer or Stoudemire. If Ben Wallace would play for 1
year he might be great at C for 10 minutes at a time. He has the highest WP48 of
all of the FA C/PFs except for Lee. Wallace played 28+ minutes last
year with DET. Maybe he can still play. Ben only got 1.3 Mill last year. Offer
him 2-3 Mill and see if he would take it? Utah should improve with
Wallace at C. DET is going nowhere.