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Published: Monday, June 28 2010 6:00 p.m. MDT

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cerana

Here is the statistics for our Early Head Start program where I work. ( I am not gonna say which state, I might get in trouble) 55% Hispanics, 33% Blacks, 12% Others which means white, asian,etc other than Blacks and Hispanics. EHS is a program for low income family. Well, read between the lines.

CPA Howard

Illegal is illegal, you can try to spin it, polish it; but at the end of the day its the same. For those of you who believe states should not enforce federal laws I would ask you to thoughtfully consider this question. If a local law enforcement officers stops a car and through observation and questioning determines the individuals in the car have counterfeit money and the equipment to make counterfeit money, should they stop the individual and call the federal authorities so they can arrest the counterfeiters?

If we apply the argument put forth by those who oppose AZ law that enforces federal law, we should let the counterfeiters go because its a federal matter and the secret services job to investigate counterfeiting.

If you believe the argument put forth by those who support the AZ law, you would answer, of course they should. If any law enforcement officer notes a crime is being committed, it is his duty to make the initial arrest and turn the suspect over to the federal agents.

We all live in this country and we all need to support the laws.

VickieB

As someone who has Hispanic relatives, I think the numbers are incorrect. The growth of community is much larger than reported, although many have left in the past year. It's easier to find jobs in Mexico than the US. Their unemployment numbers are much lower than the US. If they make up 3-4% of our workforce, that's jobs America needs. I know many legal relatives that work in those fields. With over 1 million legal people coming here legally each year, plus people on guest worker programs, it's not needed.

I hope the government comes up with some hard facts. Something that both sides can verify. Until then, people will quote the Chief Burbanks and Steve King, and we will make our own decisions based on the news and what goes on around us.

I think if you do some digging you'll find that a loophole in TANF (Temporary Assistance for Needy Families program) allows a parent of children born in this country to apply in their "birthright" child's name and receive assistance for the entire family (or all children, legal resident or not).

Not So Fast

I think many posters are saying, "Your facts don't fit my world view, therefore your facts must be wrong!" Not a good way to learn much.

srl

What part crime has someone who was brought here as a babe in arms (age 2) and was brought up only knowing the United States as home? Unlike speeding, this person didn't even have the criminal intent to commit the crime, so stop on the insanity of what part of illegal don't you understand. Some people obviously don't understand past the retoric and don't understand that while their organizations report more crime, yet the border has never been more closed as it has more border patrol, more fence line, and less immigrants entering the United States. Yet we have the Governor of Arizona.... believing "most" crossers are drug mules. She is just as confused as the rest of those who are making ignornant comments to this article.... those who choose not to see the facts as they are but those who retoric and mob behavior rule the day. Too bad that most of the scientific innovations have been from immigrants... but hey.... we don't need that... we don't want any immigrants... we like our ignorance. Let us shrink in mind and culture.

srl

Now if we really want to get to facts, let us realize that these people are "illegal" cause we politically made a law not too long ago... within the last 100 years to change the way we allowed immigrants in. We monkey around with these laws all the time... But these myths for the last twenty years have been the impetus that has blocked any changes that could have brought about a lessening of the very same, by allowing more legal immigration and ways for those to "fix" or become legal. Sad day when these myths and people who cherish them rather state to those debunking them that they love law breakers ..... thank you Deseret News to try to set the story straight for those who hear talkshow radio hosts as factual journalists.

VickieB

@Not So Fast
There are no hard facts on illegal immigration. This article does very little to dispel facts or fiction, since it mostly quotes opinions (quoting a sanctuary organization's statistics on crime is very biased) and studies done, that do not differentiate legal immigrants from the people here illegally.

anti-liar

An obviously biased article.

Ferryboat Bill

In reference to the educational funding portion of the article:

The amount estimated for education is listed and the comment is made that taxes collected "far exceed" this amount.

What about other services used by illegal immigrants that are provided by tax money?

An unbiased article would have listed how much is actually collected.

A more accurate assessment would compare amount spent on education and amount collected in taxes for illegal vs legal populations.

As has been stated so eloquently in the past: There are lies, (darn) lies, and statistics.

Ferryboat Bill

In reference to the educational funding portion of the article:

The amount estimated for education is listed and the comment is made that taxes collected "far exceed" this amount.

What about other services used by illegal immigrants that are provided by tax money?

An unbiased article would have listed how much is actually collected.

A more accurate assessment would compare amount spent on education and amount collected in taxes for illegal vs legal populations.

As has been stated so eloquently in the past: There are lies, (darn) lies, and statistics.

fed up

Figures don't lie but frequently liars figure. Shame on you Deseret News for such a biased article. Isn't it wonderful to quote only the sources you choose to support your opinions and call it fact. At least pick a realistic opposition to print an article debunking your "myths"

Screwdriver

re : "geez ... If you guys are so in love with hispanics and Mexico, why don't you move there and sing kum bi ah for the rest of your lives. "

ST, The better question is if you are so in love with no or low taxes, no public schools, no governmet services, no labor rights or unions and privatization of EVERYTHING, why don't conservatives move to Mexico? It's allready what you want.

Good job DN. Some really good journalizm. Much better than just posting biased articles from extremists and pundants.

RRB

Instead of dispelling myths, it seems you have added to the disinformation by selective "cherry picking" your sources. I think this is a subject that people need to check out information on their own. Quoting a study done by an Organization that Chief Burbank is part of clouds the issue.

Mexico controls there immigration by relying on their officers on the front line. The local police. The fear of discovery is the most effective deterrent and cannot be ignored.

Why did you use the map graphic of Aztlan and not mention the connection with illegal immigration?

jplant

Thank You Deseret News, this is a case of honest reporting. Notice: they cited their sources and showed faults in existing beliefs (all studies are biased, we just assume that ones that are with our perspective are not). Most reporting especially that of specific news agencies use anecdotal evidence or quickly give a source without its credibility. The purpose of this article was not to question the legality of illegal immigration, but rather to show that americans have been using illegal immigration as a scapegoat for their problems.

My2Cents

What this DN staff found is the exact roadblock on statistics that everyone faces. There are none.

Statistics they found were held by the illegal aliens themselves and by lumping american hispanics as illegal alien statistics.

So how many billions of dollars are lost by income tax fraud, by employers and employees.

There are no statistics on illegals, crimes included. Police forget to mention illegal status of criminals in their reports. Statistics on crime only exist if prosecuted as illegal and deport.

This report is clearly written to disuade the american people in to thinking that illegals are not an economic problem in Utah.

I would like to see this staff poll the hispanics personally if they want some real facts. There is a 100% crime rate if you include breaching our borders illegally.

And if they poll the legal american hispanics they would find them just as disgusted as the rest of the american people and faced with discrimination because of the illegal foreign nationals.

Now justify $36,000 a year in food stamps for any family. That's 3 times maximum income to qualify to get them.

The Sensible Middle

Please don't confuse me with the facts, I've made my mind up. Tea Party Patriot

RRB

re:moderate
If you take a ride to the border, you'll find plenty of signs that tell you the law. 19 usc 1459, it carries a civil fine and criminal penalty.

Also in order to work in the US you have to commit a felony. Even with a tax ID number. The tax ID number does not give you lawful presence in the US, or authorize you to work. It's a loophole that's being exploited and needs to be fixed. Most of the people that use them are out of the country businessmen that must report and pay taxes in the US.

I like the graphics. Without us knowing the true number of people here, how can we determine percentage? They are not fact, they are fiction.

BYU Alum

Agenda driven news article that shows obvious bias, based on biased information from less than neutral information sources. Sad.

Say What?

Interesting article. Shows there is a lot of "" that passes for reality when it really isn't.

I am one that relishes in truth. Cut whatever direction it may.

patriotandmore

More "Fiction" than "Fact."

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