OK, I'm not sold on Hayward. I think it was a bad pick, BUT lets assume that we
can FF 5 years, and that he was indeed the correct pick. I still have a HUGE
problem with this. There is NO way he was not going to be available at 15 or
so. The Jazz should have traded down, picked up an extra pick (which they
desperately need to fill the roster out) and they would have still gotten their
man, and paid him less. If they didn't want another pick in this draft, they
could have easily spun THAT pick, for a future protected 1st round pick from
someone else trying to get into the draft, and added to the collection of trade
bait. Yes I think it was a bad pick, but even if it wasn't, the
draft management was AWFUL and it's no wonder the Jazz keep stinking it up the
last 30 years if that's how they run things. Awful.
Re: JazzsmackYes, of course you are right, sort of. The best players
in the game don't win titles, at least not on their own. It takes a solid
supporting cast and coaching. Even with that, you still can only hope that one
or more of those elements isn't just a little bit better in one of your
opponents.I can't say that I blame the Jazz for not doing everything
that the fans want them to. Most of the fans don't have a clue about running
even a small business, much less a multi-million dollar NBA franchise. If the
Jazz do win a championship, it will be because they worked hard to put all the
pieces together, not because they took a poll to see what the fans wanted them
they might get paid to know baskett ball. but i really think they dont know that
much. i belive all the bloggers all year knew more than the coach all i read all
year was get fes and kufus more playing time we would need them against the
lakers. sure enough we did and sure enough they dident get any playing time so
wasent ready not there fault caint expect players to sit all year then come in
against the best and be productive. i suspect they will be right on hayward.
probly 55 pick will be better than him. i never seen milsaps brother play but i
would put good money that he is better than either of them
RE: Big R | 8:34 a.mAs good stockton malone, but only in
thier respective postions,they did NOT win UTah any
championships,not in 16 years of trying,not with the league
downnot even with jordon out of the league,ergo, the
FANs were right. while were they very good positional players
who benefited greatly from the system, they were not the type
players that win championships.The fans were right,and they are right again.andthey always be have always
been, a good solid team,bu a NEVER the chamion, because
they are unwilling to take the risks necessary to win championships. the fact that the jazz can not trade their players for anything other than
equal junk, shows the true value of the jazz players,
and HOW much the Jazz over value their own players.
No big men left were any better then Fez or KK. We have Okur, Milsap, Fez, KK,
AK, and maybe Boozer. That's six big bodies. Add Tomic and there are seven.
Pick up a free agent like Heywood or Dampier. Maybe trade for Al Jefferson?
At PG we have DWill/Price, wings Wes/Miles, AK (?), maybe Korver. If Korver
leaves and that's what I've been readin is going to happen, we could use another
wing. Am I missing anyone? KK/Fes should have breakout years if they're ever
Final word,You must have a reading comprehension problem.If
you read what I wrote, I said they did well in the Regular season (winning about
75-80% of games) but happens in the Playoff where it really counts? They are
around 40-50% winning percentage.Add to that what ExAFVet said you
get medicore. The Jazz needs a defensive center to counter the lakers, celtics,
etc. What they don't need is another small forward. Then you add in
that they traded their best back up point guard last year and kept price (who is
a best a joke). You get medicore.I have been a fan of
the Jazz since 1979, I have tried to support the team, but when they keep making
Stupid mistakes, well it time to move on to more important things like watching
the grass grow.
I for one find it strange that people want another big man with Koufos and
Fesenko. Do we really need someone else at that position that may never be more
than a backup?
RE: The Final Word"Who did the Jazz get beat by in the playoffs? Oh
ya, that would be the NBA champs!"They are also the same team that
has eliminated the Jazz the last few years. It is because the Jazz have no
answer for Gasol, Bynum and Odom. As of now, they still don't."Yoo
hoo, "Mediocre teams" don't win 53 games."53 wins seasons = 10-3 and
a vegas bowl appearance. Might be satisfactory for you, but I would have hoped
the Jazz would have gone to the next level by now.Hayward doesn't
fill a need and he wasn't the best player available. The Jazz just took the
bait and fell for the hype. The draft doesn't bring a guarantee but I wished
the Jazz would have taken a chance on Davis, Henry, Babbit or Patterson. The
only need Hayward fills is to replace Korver on the "Win a dinner with Kyle
It appears the Jazz put too much stock in Hayward's NCAA tournament performance.
Otherwise, a player of Hayward's size, athleticism and skills would have been
lucky to be drafted late in the second round. Most teams who draft an "NCAA
tournament wonder" have wasted their pick.It concerns me when the
best things talent evaluators can say about a player is he is "gritty," "has
heart" and "has good basketball sense." I interpret that to mean "he has no
talent or athleticism."It is not surprising that BYU fans seem to
like Hayward. He reminds me of 1980's Cougar star Devin Durrant. Durrant was
drafted by Indiana, but lasted in the NBA only a couple of years, because he was
too weak and slow to compete with NBA SGs and SFs.It makes no sense
to draft a player--at the 9th pick--based on potential, if the only potential of
that player is to be a backup SG/SF.I can't imagine any team
contacting the Jazz to try to trade for Hayward, even at a salary of $2
mil/year. At least someone like Patrick Patterson would have trade value.
It seems the Jazz put alot of stock in Hayward's NCAA tournament performance.
Otherwise, a player of Hayward's size, skills and athleticism would have been a
late second round choice at best. Historically, most teams who have drafted an
"NCAA tournament wonder" have wasted their pick.It always concerns
me when the best thing the NBA scouts and commentators can say about a player is
that he is "gritty," "has heart" and has "good basketball sense." To me that
means "he has no talent or athleticism."It is not surprising that
Cougar fans seem to like Hayward--he reminds me alot of former 1980's Cougar
star, Devin Durrant. Durrant was drafted by Indiana, and never lasted for more
than a couple of years in the NBA, because he was not strong enough or quick
enough to compete with NBA SGs and SFs.It does not make sense to
draft a player as a 9th pick based on potential, if at best that player can be
only a back up SG or SF.I cannot imagine anyone in the NBA
contacting the Jazz to propose a trade for Hayward--even at a salary of $2 mil
There was so much anticipation about the Jazz having the 9th pick, drafting
Hayward was kind of like the squeak of air being let out of a balloon. He'll be
a decent player but the Jazz are at the crossroads of becoming a better team or
lapsing behind all their competitors. You don't have to be an overpaid coach or
an NBA analyst to realize that.
Do any of you remember how skinny Karl Malone looked when we first got him?
I think one of the big reasons everyone is booing is because he looks like he's
12 when all the other 19-20 yr-olds looked like they were 25. I think if we can
get over that and realize that he is 6'8 and can still add some weight to his
frame, we can sit back and watch him prove us all wrong.
Now that we have Hayward to help us out at the SF spot, lets sign Brendon
Haywood to give us some shot-blocking.
They don't really need to include the fans in their decision. However, I
really hope Kevin called DWill before he made that pick. Getting DWill involved
in decision making will help keep him around. If the Jazz don't treat him like
a franchise player, he won't act like a franchise player. He'll be on the first
flight out of Utah as soon as his contract is up.
After sleeping on it, I'm not as dissapointed, it's going to take some time to
see how he fits in, but if he fails, at least it won't be because of what he has
between his ears.
To all the bashers.We will be looking forward to you know adding
Chad Ford ESPN NBA Professional Analyst receiving your wrath as well.Just another person/NBA Professional to add to your list who does not know
what they are talking about.You though clealy have better NBA
knowledge than all these guys who do it full time. No doubt.At
least wait and see how the dude pans out before you make your assessments.
Then bash away if Hayward is a bust.Deron Williams was one of the
main guys who carried his team to the NCAA championship game. Hayward was too.
I don't think anybody thinks he is Deron Williams but Hayward got the job done
and clearly knows how to win games and on a big stage to boot.I
don't think those credentials should so easily be dismissed.Every is
bummed there was not some giant guaranteed BIG to solve all the Jazz
problems.The reality is though is that there was VAST disparity and
very little consensus here on these boards exactly which BIG was "the guy".
Everyone had varying opinions which just further proves the point. There was no
re: confusedI agree you are confused..."They will listen
to the fans when they stop showing up to watch a MEDIOCRE TEAM......"Clearly your confusion extends to being able to count because the Jazz
finished with 4 less regular season wins than the NBA Champion Lakers!!Yoo hoo, "Mediocre teams" don't win 53 games.Who did the Jazz get
beat by in the playoffs? Oh ya, that would be the NBA champs!Who
did the other 29 teams get beat by? Oh ya that would be essentially the only
team we could not have beaten in the post season. I guess the other 29 teams
have a "lack of height" issue too huhYes, we all agree YOU would
definitely fit the description "CONFUSED" by any measure of basketball analysis.
Of course the Jazz needed height and they would have loved to get it
but you take the best talent available and if you think a 53 win team is a
mediocre team then you would not know talent if it drove over you.I'm sure someone else will enjoy your Jazz seats (if you actually even have
we need some help under the basket...KK and Fez will never be able to help
against players such as Gasol...so drafting this guy Hayward ain`t gonna help! I
just hope he learns how to shoot the ball...he`s still young, so I`m praying
that this isn`t going to be another Padgett...
I also believe that Hayward will fit very well with the Jazz. I like Korver,
when he was trade to the Jazz, he brought in excitement from the fans, he also
spreads the floor out. The problem that I have is that he cannot dribble & does
not create shots or passes very well. From what I hear & from videos that I
seen, Hayward can do all of these, and I can't wait to find out what he can
Confused,Thank you for cancelling your season tickets. The one thing I
hate is listening to so called fans at the game screaming about things they have
no idea about. If we get the REAL Jazz Fans to the game, it will be more
pleasant to watch. Hayward is a good pick and will fit in well with this team.
Give him a chance.
Well,the Jazz brass will not listen to the fans, so I made a call today
and cancelled my season tickets... They will listen to the fans when
they stop showing up to watch a medicore team that does well during the season
but is horrible (around 50 winning percentage) in playoffs. why? lack of
height...KOC should dropped kicked out of Utah
I predict Hayward will become a very good player for the Jazz. Unfortunately,
they really needed an interior guy to help them out.Hopefully, the
Jazz can pull off a trade or acquire a needed piece to their puzzle in free
agency.If not ... I guess there's always the D-League and undrafted
players they can bring in.
Listen to fans more often? Fans are free to talk and boo and do whatever else
they wish to do, but managers who listen to fans are doomed to failure. They
have scouts, coaches and lots of data in place to help them reach a decision.
Listening to folks who have very little idea about the game is a horrible way to
I'm with you "Big R". The fans here think they know it all. The coaching staff
eats, drink and sleep basketball. I'm excited about Hayward, not to mention he
is ONLY 20 and still probably has some more maturing to do. I think we have a
The absolute worse thing "Kevin and Walt" could do would be to listen to the
fans. They didn't like Stockton when he was picked, they didn't like Malone.
They don't realize how difficult it is to build a winning team. They think all
of the NBA players want to come to Utah and they think they should be beating
the Lakers. Be happy that you have good teams and that you get some very good
picks at spots where you could have gotten guys who didn't pan out. For every
bad pick there is at least one very good pick. Join us in reality!
All I can say is Kevin and Walt need to listen to the fans a little more often
since they are the people who will be filling the seats. I hope he pans out.