Evaluate in 2 years doesn't mean he's a 2 year project! It means you don't know
yet, give all these guys just drafted 2 years before you decide who can play in
I love to hear the Jazz fans howl. It is also amazing how they rush to buy
tickets to see these perrenial losers. What a bunch of losers!
re: TerryNo, the Jazz did not "have" the # 3 pick. O'Conner pulled
of the highly improbable and admirable job of trading into the top 5 to get the
#3 pick which landed the best PG in the league. And just in case you
did not notice we win too many games and the team is too successful so we
essentially are picking near dead last in the first round every year.Anyone with a brain knows the vast majority of NBA talent goes in the top 5
and usually the top 3. Any big stars that go below 15 were clearly misses by
most all teams otherwise they would have been picked top 5. They
are clearly the exception and not the rule. Every team has a history of huge
blunders and busts in the draft and the lower you pick in the first round the
statistical odds are just that much higher that the guy won't pan out. We are
picking 25-30 every year. That is just a few picks from the 2nd round where
they don't even get guaranteed contracts because few pan out.Brewer?
Great athlete can't shoot. Wonderful.
So after the dust settles on this draft we end up with 2 6'-9" forwards? 1 who
thinks he's a center and the other who thinks he's a guard. Wow, what a
I really like all of the bashing on O'Conner. I too am still a little shocked by
this pick but I think he will raise his game like he always has. (According to
the things I have been reading about him) Kevin Pritchard has had 3 times the
amoutn of 10 ten picks that O'Conner has and yet the Jazz have still outplayed
them. Portland also had a #1 given to them and the verdict is still out on that
one, but for me it was a bust.
The Jazz had a #3 pick, they needed a point guard, it was either DW or CP, you
cant mess that up, a monkey could have gotten it right either way! Please tell me what other first round draft picks over the past 11 years (KOC
era) that actually contributed on the court for the Jazz? NONE! Worst 1st
round draft record in the NBA! Yes we got Millsap in the 2nd round, not bad at
picking low draft projects on occasion. BUT, Where are the great athletes that
you are supposed to get from the 1st round draft picks??? We needed Height &
Defense above all! (could have contributed and gotten experience right away with
Memo out)Not another project at the most stacked position we have ever
had! Remember we got rid of Brewer (much more athletic than Hayward) for this
very same reason!
With his weight he will be abused like Shawn Bradley was in the NBA. I hoped the
Jazz would of taken a chance on Omar Samhan or N'Diay.
Well, going against the grain is something the Jazz have done with regular
success! Give them the benefit of the doubt here, and let's see what happens?
Todd,Please do share who was that player that the Jazz were going to
draft that was going to make us the championship team you claim to know how to
build?Name please?We are all anxious to read the NAME of
the player who would turn us into the Laker Breakers.Who is it that
is going to supplant Gasol, Bynum, and Odom?Can't wait to see the
guy that you would have selected that was going to contend with those three
Laker BIGs for us.Give us the name.
Last time I checked Kevin Durrant is a 200lb bean pole.How is he
panning out in the NBA playing the small forward and sometimes the powerforward
position?This guy shoots 64%--he clearly must not shoot alot given
his PPG but the shots he takes he makes.That does not seem all bad
to me.He is athletic and can jump out of the gym so lets see what he
looks/plays like in summer camp before we condemn him.I find it
comical all the bashers who predict what a collosal failure the GM, coaches, and
organization is. Meanwhile they end up in the top 5 NBA teams year
after year without any high draft picks.It is a blatant
contradiction to say this organization does not know what it is doing. The
bottom line is wins and the Jazz do plenty of that.Sure we are all
disappointed we could not get a big like Cousins or Monroe who could change the
game immediately but playable impact BIGs were gone when we picked.Sure there are some other BIGs that were there but they were anything but
"locks" to produce or bring a championship.Get real.
From ESPN: "N'Diaye has good athleticism relative to his excellent size, an
impressive frame, and a developing skill set. He showed a consistent hook shot
on the offensive end, but did look comfortable with anything else on this end of
the floor. His hands are not very good and his footwork is a work in progress,
but he appears to be a hard worker and should continue to improve in time.On the defensive end, he has solid lateral quickness and timing, which
coupled with his explosiveness and aggressiveness, allows him to be a good shot
blocker and a solid overall defender at this level."Okay, so here we
have a player with "good athleticism" "impressive frame" "hard worker" "solid
overall defender"...Um, doesn't that sound like EXACTLY the kind of
player the Jazz need NOW, even as a backup?WHAT was KOC thinking?!?
I'm not ready to give up on Koufus or Fes. They say it takes about 3 to 4 years
to develop a big man in the NBA. Very small percentage make an impact in their
first two years. Besides, Kouf and Fes are better than any other big at the 9th
pick. They have also made enough BAD PICKS on BIGs to know what a stiff is.I know we all have opinions on players and what we see on the internet.
We don't get to see first hand what the Jazz's FO gets to see. I'll have to
Maybe the Jazz are potentially racist..
Anyone who says the Jazz are awful at drafting are just ignoring the facts. In
the last 5 years very few teams have had better drafts when considering what #
they were drafting. In 05 the Jazz had the 6th overall pick, traded
up and got arguably the best player in the draft. Plus they got CJ in the
2nd.06 they drafted 2 of the top 10 players in the draft without
having a pick in the top ten.07 Jazz drafted to fill a need and
Almond was a bust.08 All of the picks were projects, but so far
Tomic looks like a brilliant pick and Koufos and that Serbian guy are about to
get their chance.09 Maynor was a great pick and because the Jazz
were able to sell him they didn’t have to get rid of any key pieces.Like most Jazz fans I didn’t like the picks last night, but
I’m still hopeful because recent history suggests Jazz brass knows what
OUCH, Jesse. Ouch. I have to agree with your logic. Big East DPOY. We, I mean
Boozer, could have really used that guy.
Hamady N'diaye: 6'11", 235 lbs. 7'6" wingspan. 39" vertical. 9.8 ppg, 7.1 rpg,
4.5 bpg and was named the Big East defensive player of the year. Drafted with
the 26th pick of round 2, 1 spot behind the Jazz. Jeremy Evans looks
super athletic but is he really only 197 lbs. I'm a skinny guy but that is
unreal. I'm shocked.
Plays for a small college and averages 10 points and 6 rebounds as a
center/PF??? I don't care what his shooting % is when you don't have real
competition and you only score 10 points!!! 190 pounds cant do anything in the
NBA at PF or Center!!! They still had some legit 7 footers/shot blockers around
in the 2nd round and they took this guy??? Come on guys, KOC has
the worst draft record in the NBA! (and you cant screw up #3 when DW and CP are
the only options) Maybe they should start drafting based on ESPN or fan voting,
they would have a better track record! FYI, Everyone told the Jazz to pick
Boozer with their late 1st round pick back in the day vs. some no name they
traded. Nuff Said!
Hayward is Sloan's pick. However, he is also the whole Jazz management pick.
Remember a couple of week ago how they all gushed about him. Hayward
has his strengths. He is okay. He probably will ride the pine or be in D-league
for much of the year unless there are injuries. I doubt if he can
guard SGs in the NBA. He should be able to improve his lateral quickness with
work. Zoubek would have been a much better pick at 55 than Evans.
I guess it is time to just give up on the Jazz drafting and see who
they dig up out of the dumpster.How can they be so awful at drafting
and really good at dumpster diving?
This pick even seems less inspired than the first round pick..
I don't follow college basketball that closely, so I'm not going to assess the
picks.. but a guy who shoots 63%, thats impressive!I think when you
are at the bottom end of the second round you just look for some kind of stat
that sticks out. Such as shooting a career 63% or leading the NCAA in rebounds
every year.If he's 198lbs, he shouldn't be listed as a big man. But
he's only 22... he'll get stronger.
I wonder if Zoubek from duke gets an invite to the jazz summer camp or the
This is what will happen:Gordon will sit "on the pine" as 9th thru
12th man next to Ty Corbin and Phil Johnson most of the yearSLoan
has done it again...Any one thinks every move the Jazz make
does not go through SLoan needs to go see the "rock" and see "what he is
Shocked:Doug loves the movesHAHAHAAHAHAHAHADoug, go back to bed
Ed Davis and Pattrick Patterson are hardly "a dog's breakfast". Patterson is
basically Milsap with a 3pt shot. Not only did we NOT take him to make our team
worse but we let him slip to a rebuilding team in the west and helped them get
better. I can't believe O'connor drafts a 2-year project for the 9th
pick and then tells the fans to wait around to see if he's right. You dont waste
the 9th pick of the draft, that you've been waiting to use for 6 years, to get a
2 year project when you clearly have other needs.These two picks
will get knocked over when breathed on.
Now the draft is over the Jazz management can get down to doing what they do
best, which finding undrafted talent to fill the roster. Lets look for the next
Maybe "Flash Gordon" will play for the flash.
After a deep breath or ten, I can accept Hayward. You're not getting a
superstar at 9 unless miracles happen. You have to trust KOC evaluated him as
better than Babbitt in spite of every measurable being in Luke's favor, or Henry
& George. The available bigs were a dog's breakfast, grab bag, and a big drop
from Cuzz, Monroe & Udoh.But this Evans kid just won't make it thru
summer league at 196lbs.I hope the Jazz have already called Scheyer,
Elijah & that center from Cornell.
196 lbs is not a post player in the NBA. He looks like another SF if he makes it
at all. I can live with Hayward but this pick on the surface makes
less sense than Sutton last year. Are the Jazz going to run and gun
with a small line up? This guy can't shoot outside. Can't dribble.
He has a dated profile at draft express. I had limited faith in the
Jazz drafting before tonight. Now I expect them to dork up. They
need to sell the picks and go do something they are good at. Or better yet trade
the picks for established players.
If KOC isn't the dumbest gm in all of sports who is?
And end to the Koufus/Fesenko era i hope, too. i can't believe the jazz can't
find a decent big man and settle for Koufs and Fez at the middle. those two are
the absolute worst big men i have ever seen! they can't even score at garbage
If Evans isn't the second coming of AK athletically, this draft will be a BIG
disappointment. SO many other players the Jazz could have picked ... I'm
Big Man??? what a Joke! Not a happy day as a Jazz fan!!
NOt sure how this guy really operates but on the youtube shows he is much more
coordinated than awkward Aldrich. Very high scoring percentage so he must be
active in the key on offense. Good job Jazz looks like they have a plan,
perhaps this man spells the end to a painful Koufos era in Utah.