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Published: Thursday, June 24 2010 1:43 a.m. MDT

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Rational

PLEASE, abide by the UHSAA recommendation. Too many kids are too focused on sports. (I played in college.)

Very few will play sports in college, and if they spent half their training time studying, they MIGHT get an academic scholarship -- and have a career someday.

DC Fan

What a joke, keep the politicians out of it... every time the government step in the public suffers. Play a different sport at different schools, no one but a government employee could come up with something so screwed up. Teach the next generations there are no rules, anything goes, do anything, say anything and move on. These poor students when the get into the real world and find out they can't always get their own way and will become failures. Sen. Howard Stephenson, R-Draper should be impeached! Not playing with a full deck.

123456

Mark Van Wagoner states:

"You're creating a mess that no other state in the union has," he said. "This bill ruins competition and makes it unfair for 99 percent of the students engaged in competition."

That is a ridiculous comment. The UHSAA deals with this issue a lot because they govern ALL of the High Schools in the state and they are tired of spending so much time on this one issue. The reality of this is that if you look at each individual school, transfers happen few and far between. And when they do, often times the school they are leaving is happy to see them go because the kid or their parents or both have caused the school and coaches nothing but grief. I would like to see data that would support the comment above. How many of these transfers truly affect either school (leaving or joining) in a significant way - such as contributing to a state championship? Very rarely I would say. This rule is going to cause schools and coaches more unintended consequences such as disgruntled kids and parents being forced to stay in unhealthy athletic situations. I applaud the state legislature.

mammalou

To Rational, while I agree with you that academics are where it's at.....as a mother of three children that participate(d) in athletics, please remember that for a great number of these students, sports are what encourage them to keep their studies up. For my boy's especially, they took the steps necessary to complete all their assignements and keep their grades up because they wanted to make sure that they remained eligible, for themself and the team. Also, I think some of the most important lessons they learned during their schooling happened on the field, mat or baseball diamond. Real life lessons. Not sure about changing schools since it is not possible in our area, but I do know that some undervalue the human lessons learned from athletics.

Davis-county-man

To: 123456

Here is an example, Roy high softball team had 6 players living outside their school boundaries and they played for the state title and if this becomes law it'll happen across the board. These high school coaches want to be viewed as real coaches and not just teachers coaching 8 weeks a year and will do anything they can to win a title. The parents think there is a scholarship out there for every athletic, at least for their kid. Get real, work on a scholastic scholarship, something you can actually use after you've graduated. Those scholarships aren't full rides and may pay for books, part room and board, or tuition but not all. Let's show the parents the real statistics on how many really get a college education via athletic scholarships and maybe they'll work harder in the classroom.

sentry52

I do Coach, and if a kid didn’t want to play for me, didn’t trust me, why would I want him to play for me. Also I would have to be a power hungry, vindictive person to want to keep a kid for playing somewhere else just because he didn’t want to play for me. There are so many issues that go into whether a kid would want to transfer or not, and there are so many politics involved in High School athletics whether people want to admit it or not, maybe the kid just isn’t getting his far look just cause someone else’s parents have a different name. I support the legislator’s idea. I don’t think they should be able to transfer with in the school year to play in different sports at different high schools, but if a kid wants to attend a different high school every year, how does that hurt us. Have I lost sporting events to teams that have recruited players? Yes I have. Does that make me angry? No, that would only make me angry if I was a very immature person.

sentry52

The fact is a kid shouldn’t be forced to go to a school and play for a team just because they live in those boundaries. Van Wagner stated that there aren’t any leagues that allow transfers with out penalties, but there aren’t any colleges that force you to go where you live. Open enrollment is a good thing and I’m glad they allow a kid to start their eligibility wherever the want to, but most families really don’t know what they’re getting into, in a high school when they are in Jr. High. So open enrollment in this case would only help someone if they did have a good understanding of the program at the High School they want to attend, but the only way they would know that is if there was recruiting going on.


sentry52

If the UHSAA really wanted to govern recruiting better they would leave the kids alone, and let them pick which high school they wanted to go to each year if that be the case. Then they would focus on the Coaches and make the penalty so high that no Coach would want to even consider opening his mouth to joke about the idea. If witnesses give testimony that a Coach had any knowledge of a transfer being recruited then that Coach and his program are subject to penalty.

get'er done


Hey, these coaches are smart enough not to talk to the athletics, they have their little gofers, the summer comp coaches, the AAU coaches, the little league football coaches who will run interference for them. These gofers are their recruiters; they the coaches are obligated to these parents and their kids. When you see 4-6 players transferring to one school from a number of different schools who all play on the same summer or fall team you don’t have to be a rocket scientist to see how corrupt and dishonest these people are. Without rules, guidelines, and oversight, there is no parity. The rich get richer and the poor schools with weaker programs just die.

Expert (in training)


Cheating your way through life and teaching the kids to do the same will come back and haunt you. No morals, no conscience, win at all cost and you've created a loser. Some coaches are so stupid to think others view them as great coaches because they win, give me a break, people talk, they see though this and the coaches are laughed at behind their backs. Every involved parent in the stand knows who is fairly on the team and who has been recruited. The sad thing about this is the student who lost his position, or cut from the team because of the illegal transfer. Put yourself in their position or their parent's shoes and see how proud you are of yourself. You think repentances can take care of it? I hope Karma take care of it first! Karma, that force out there that doesn't allow people to take advantage of others without paying a dear price for it.

tt2sweet

play where you live and lets create some neighborhood rivalries again. Wait that's not fair.

sentry52

the parity wont come from putting kids down and keeping them from a far shake. The parity will come from coaches caring about there programs and building them year around. The truth is that there aren't to many coaches that are willing to sacrifice there time. they just want to work during the season and that it. You can't really blame them though because the average head coach will only make 2000 for the whole season, why would they want to put in a lot of time outside of the season. But you do have those diehard coaches that are willing to put in the time so their kids can be the best. Why should we keep kids from a coach that is that dedicated. maybe that would force other coaches to step up and start putting in the time. Or force principals to hirer coaches that care.

sentry52

Expert,

What are you saying is cheating? If you are saying recruiting is cheating, then what is your definition of recruiting? If you are getting kids to come to your program so that you can when a state title, then i agree, the is weak bush league tricks that in the end will destroy your program and your honor. On the other hand if you are just trying to provide a kid an opportunity that he wouldn't have had because of politics at anther school, or because of a lazy coach, then it might still be against the rules according to the UHSAA, but I don't believe they are the end all say all when it comes to morality.

sentry52

its hard to create neighborhood rivalries when one schools administration actually cares about athletics, and the other doesn't, they care about say, drama or the arts, which there is nothing wrong with that. But there is no rivalry when both schools aren't invested.

Davis-county-man


to: sentry52
Good comments, how about more paraprofessionals? Coaches from outside the education system, one that aren't in for the money but are from the private sector, very successful and can afford to put in the time to improve the program. They are trying to get ahead in the education field; they can be very knowledgeable in a given sport and can give back. They see these kids after school and haven't had to put up with them all day so they are refreshed and in every community there are some great past athletic that have played the game and can contribute. California does this a lot, they don't think you have to be a school teacher in order to be a coach, they just find the very best qualified person for the job, not a teacher looking to make $2,000 extra a year for the 8 weeks he or she works. Under job search, "CHEATERS NEED NOT APPLY".

shadow

I agree with sentry52, I believe that if Schools had dedicated Coachs that spent time in the off season working with their program not just the kids on the HS team but the youth in their community it would pay off as it has for teams like Cottonwood, Lone Peak Spanish Fork, Richfield, to name a few that the HS coaches are truly commited to building year round not just spring and summer time! I have watched teams like Park City, Wasatch, Brighton, Alta, to name a few again in Baseball as youth compete in their respective leagues they are associated with but yet they can't seem to win a Championship little lone make it to the championship game in HS. They do ok in HS they just never get better when they hit HS thats a coaching issue and no wonder why kids transfer to Cottonwood, Bingham, and Juan Diego they have GREAT Coachs who are truley dedicated!!

Expert (in training)


sentry52

That's exactly what I'm referring to, the recruiting. Having 5-7 players on a school roster that do not live in that school boundary and they all play together on a summer team together.

plyxply

Sentry I disagree. What this creates is a situation where coaches will have to recruit kids on a yearly basis, and any time you begin recruiting things that aren't allowed will happen, worse than they currently are.
Howard Stephenson has just lost a ton of votes in Draper, this would be a major mistake and the legislature has no business trying to regulate this.
CW and Jordan already recruit kids illegally by promising them starting positions on teams and financial help in some cases. Then once the kids enroll at their school they decide if the kid is good enough to play for them, and often kids don't get what they were promised. It's a broken system already but at least the UHSAA is trying to regulate it and do what they can.
If kids want to transfer for academic reasons let them, but athletics should not be a reason to transfer.

What's up


to davis-county man

great idea, plus they aren't union and can be let go if they aren't doing the job!!! year to year contract, not hanging on for 10-20 years of the same old stuff.

softball mom

to: davis-count-man

Paraprofessionals sound like the way to go.. Better coaches, less hassle and get rid of them if they cheat. They aren't in it for the money or glory. The student athlete being exposed to successful business people may motivate them to work harder and know they can be successful without being a professional athletic. These coaches can be the leaders in our community, not benefactors of the tax payers. Maybe we could even find some that would not want the $2,000 a year; really successful people donate that amount all the time, instead of taking it. WIN-WIN?

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