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Published: Thursday, June 24 2010 12:00 a.m. MDT

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Ett

Your articke is a typical liberal response. You obviously haven't read the law. I have and your scenario isn't possible under the letter of the Arizona law. Maybe you should actually read and understand it before writing uninformed articles about it. Your sort of ignorance is frightening.

Ett

For the record, they aren't "undocumented residents". The proper term is "illegal aliens."

Screwdriver

The best reason to oppose the law is that it alienates hispanics from law inforcement wheather they are legal or not. Even if you are legal yourself they don't want to talk to police anymore for fear of attracting attention to friends and family or being suspected in thier deportation. If the gangs weren't nad enough to keep people from talking now they have to worry about being separated from thier kids and family.

Crime is going to run rampant and the police won't get any help. Good job.


John Charity Spring

Ett is correct. This writer invokes religion as an excuse for breaking the law. And yet, he ignores the Christian requirement to honor, sustain, and uphold the law." It is outrageous th claim that anything in Christian doctrine supports illegal doctrine.

When East Germany still existed,all Christian religions which where present there taught the members that they must obey the law and must not illegally emigrate out of the country.

The Founding Fathers established this Country as a place where obedience to the law is paramount. All persons who are present in this Country must obey this doctrine.

Ultra Bob

Obviously anyone can make up stories to fit their point of view. And it is easy to understand why a conservative would favor immigration of cheap labor.

What I don’t understand is why the poster “Ett” would label an article from a conservative as liberal.

KM

1st, they don't live in your neighborhood.

2nd, if we act like we care enough to financially destroy our system by continuing to pretend like we can afford to take care of everybody on earth, then we will not be able to take care of ourselves or others.

IndependentLiberal

As a Deacon in a small Baptist church on the west side of the valley, I can say without hesitation, if I was approached for assistance and was told that they were illegal aliens, I couldn’t even think of turning them in.

There ARE better way of controlling immigration than “Adverse Information”

All American

If you were a REAL Christian and you REALLY want to help, you would research our immigration laws and see if you could sponsor this family (or whatever it takes) to help them become LEGAL, because, as stated by Ett, they are "illegal aliens" - period! And, please, do read the Arizona law before offering your opinion about it.

Greenmountain

Mr. Monson had better get after California ALSO. That state has a document called the California Penal Code. I would encourage all citizens and illegal immigrants to find the California Penal Code 834b on the internet. It has probably been California law for years. Here is part of their law concerning ILLEGALS.

"834b. (a) Every law enforcement agency in California shall fully
cooperate with the United States Immigration and Naturalization
Service regarding any person who is arrested if he or she is
suspected of being present in the United States in violation of
federal immigration laws.
(b) With respect to any such person who is arrested, and suspected
of being present in the United States in violation of federal
immigration laws, every law enforcement agency shall do the
following:
(1) Attempt to verify the legal status of such person"...

"(2) Notify the person of his or her apparent status as an alien
who is present in the United States in violation of federal
immigration laws and"...

"3) Notify the Attorney General of California and the United
States Immigration and Naturalization Service"...

Not much difference between OLD California law and Arizona law that MAY go into effect soon.

RedShirt

Derek Monson got the analogy totally wrong. It should be that your hispanic neighbor had a sick child. It was the middle of the night, and rather than waking you and asking for help, he breaks into your house and takes what he needs. The next day, you find out that his daughter is sick, and when you ask him if he needs help, he tells you he already helped himself to your medications.

What do you do, do you just let it go, or do you call the police?

VickieB

ICE does not respond to anyone reporting their neighbor. Pure hyperbole meant to solicit a sympathetic response. Thanks to NAFTA, Mexico's economy has become the 14th best in the world. We have helped them.

My family and neighbors have moved many times to where the work is. The conjecture of breaking up families is unfounded.

Compassion is extended on a personal level. Law enforcement is the Governments job. We can all be compassionate towards those here illegally, but still let law enforcement do their job.

Or do you champion the removal of all law enforcement on compassionate grounds?

Moosehead

Illegal immigrants ARE NOT law abiding citizens. They are chronic law breakers and criminals. They do not have the right to break the law in order to achieve a better life any more than a bank robber or a drug dealer. And they certainly don't have the right to do it in a foreign country.

Tom

It is kind of funny, We here all the cries about us being a "Christian Nation" when it furthers our ideological bent, but when some one calls for compassion and understanding and interjects Christian values it is said that religion does not have a place in the law. When I was a young man and went to Wyoming to get illegal fireworks and discharged them in Utah during the 4th of July I committed a crime with a greater penalty than coming across the border undocumented. I believe that I have tyred to repent of my crime, though some may question if I have since I have not turned myself into the police. Coming across the border undocumented in not the unpardonable sin. They are real human beings. Most of them are very good people just like most Utah natives are very good people.

Not_Scared

The ignorance of our constitution by conservatives is frightening. The federal government controls immigration laws.

Notice this conservative's poorly developed reading comprehension.

"Every law enforcement agency in California shall fully
cooperate with the United States Immigration and Naturalization Service regarding any person who is arrested"

Notice the person must have been arrested for a crime. There is no provision under the law to stop, detain or ID a person who has not been arrested and is being processed for a commission of a crime.

Pagan

Giving legal authority to call into question a persons legal status based on 'reasonable suspicion' aka, sight, to me is unreasonable at all.

Since America is made up of 97% of descendants from immigrants, I fail to see this line of thinking making any kind of sense.

Current America was built on the lands of Native Indians.

'Finish the dang wall'

Don't forget we have boarders with Canada as well. Is it hypocritical to focus on one boarder and ignore others?

What about the various bases America has outside this country?

Keep our boarders secure, yes. But kick out 12 million illegal immigrants.

Good luck with that.

Since our military runs around 3 million we factually do not have the means to kick out EVERY illegal immigrant.

Considering most of us descend from illegal immigrants, I have no stones to throw.

Focus on the problem. Those that hire illegal immigrants rather than pay a legal citizen minimum wage.

I'm not advocating a 'free ride' either. But considering that most Americans cannot pass the citizenship test, again, I have no stones to throw.

Think before throwing them from your glass house.

wrz

Here's a quick thought exercise for you...

Say your neighbor with the sick kid and all the rest of his family and friends decided they liked your home and decided to move in with you uninvited.

Would you ask them to make themselves at home?

wrz

@IndependentLiberal 7:30 a.m.:

"There ARE better way (sic) of controlling immigration than 'Adverse Information.'"

How? Please list.

wrz

"Would you go home and report your neighbor and his family to federal immigration authorities?" - Article

Are you saying that if you see someone robbing a bank you shouldn't call the police? You are required to report lawbreaking. Otherwise you could be accused of aiding and abetting.

Example: 'A person charged with aiding and abetting or accessory is usually not present when the crime itself is committed, but he or she has knowledge of the crime before or after the fact...

For example, Andy draws a floor plan of a bank, knowing of Dan's intention to rob it. After Dan commits the robbery, Alice agrees to let him store the stolen money at her house. Both Andy and Alice can be charged with aiding and abetting, or acting as accessories to the robbery.'

wrz

@Pagan 9:04 a.m.:

"Giving legal authority to call into question a persons legal status based on 'reasonable suspicion' aka, sight, to me is unreasonable...

Federal ICE (Immigration & Customs Enforcement) does it. Is that not OK?

"Current America was built on the lands of Native Indians."

May I suggest that you make it right by moving off their property?

"Don't forget we have boarders with Canada as well. Is it hypocritical to focus on one boarder and ignore others?"

Good point. Minnesota is being flooded with immigrants... from Somalia... Muslims... Many illegal.

"Keep our boarders secure, yes. But kick out 12 million illegal immigrants. Good luck with that."

No need to kick them out. Just enforce immigration labor laws... which laws make it illegal to hire illegals. Do that, take awake the incentive, and they will go home on their own.

"Considering most of us descend from illegal immigrants, I have no stones to throw."

You have no stones? How do you manage?

Tom

So all my buddies who aided and abetted me in discharging illegal fireworks are tarnished for life also?

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