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Published: Friday, June 18 2010 12:00 p.m. MDT

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Screwdriver

I take it that it's not at all necessary to have capital punishment, it's not going to help save anyone's soul. But the church didn't condemm it either. Knowing our judicial system is as corrupt as any third world country, I don't think we should have the death penalty unless the person confesses directly and then I still think it's the easy easy way out for the criminal.

zinnia

We are suppose to follow President Monson's teachings and not Brigham Young's. Brigham Young is now history- so are his teachings and I am happy for this. I feel joy that I did not live during Brigham Young's leadership.

Heathjh

@John Pack Lambert of Michigan-
@ John Pack Lambert of Michigan- Brigham Young said, "I have never yet preached a sermon and sent it out to the children of men, that they may not call scripture." (Journal of Discourses 13:95
“The Journal of Discourses deservedly ranks as one of the standard works of the Church, and every rightminded Saint will certainly welcome with joy every number (issue) as it comes forth.“ (President George Q. Cannon, Journal of Discourses, Preface, Volume 8.)




Not_Scared

Personally, I going the start worrying when Mormonism makes complete sense to me.

brokenclay

Little Dutch Lambert, you can't stop a flood with your thumb. You'll have to come up with something a little more compelling . . .

Rom319

The law required Ronnie Gardner to die for his sin. God's law requires the same of us, "for the wages of sin is death". We all deserve to die because we have all sinned. God's law reveals our sin and condemns us.

The amazing thing about Jesus' love for us is that He died for us that no matter how bad we have sinned, He can forgive us - even Gardner if he put his faith in Christ before he died.

Who goes to heaven? Only those born again through faith in Christ.
It is possible that Gardner is in heaven right now. It is also possible that the "good" people he murdered are in hell. Unless they were born again, because there are no "good" people according to God.

The only blood atonement that God recognizes to forgive sin was Jesus' blood on the cross. Jesus said He is the only one who came down from Heaven and the only reason was to lower himself, take on flesh and die as a sacrifice for us. God became man because only He could pay for the sins we committed.

ADN

I love how so many people are claiming things which they know nothing about. Look at the context of Brighams comments. You can't just quote a phrase from a prophet without the context. How would you like if I quoted you without any context. Sounds kind of silly doesn't it? Those who have eyes to see, shall see.

CWEB

In the fullness of the Old Testament Exodus 20:13 is abundantly evidenced as prohibiting unjust killing,[citation needed] rather than a universal injunction against all killing, as retzach is never used in reference to the slaying of animals, nor the taking of life in war, while its most frequent use is in reference to involuntary manslaughter and secondarily for murderers.

MisTexas

OK! The state sent Gardner to his death, not the LDS church! What do they have to do with each other? There are MANY churches that have made mistakes in their past, no church has a clean record AT ALL.

Lee

John Pack Lambert wrote: "The church does not have a mind."

Thank you for injecting a note of humor.

Wildflower

Personally, I'm not going to worry about that. I'm going to be the best person I can be here in this earth and let God handle the rest.

I M LDS 2

I can find nothing on the Church's website about "blood atonement".

If the Church issues a statement, don't they put it on their website?

Was this statement made at a press conference? Who said it? Did all the First Presidency and Quorum of the 12 attach their names to it?

If not, then it is not "doctrine", is it? Does the Church's PR spokesperson have the authority to declare "doctrine"? Can the PR department or a press agent contradict hundreds of years of preaching by sustained and ordained "prophets, seers, and revelators"?

Lee

In 1877, John D. Lee was executed by firing squad at Mountain Meadows on the site of the 1857 massacre. Among his last words:

"I do not believe everything that is now being taught and practiced by Brigham Young."

don

To John Pack Lambert The real question is why was the blood atoneement taught by Joseph Smith; Oaths discouraged apostates,In Masonry the the degree of knight kadosh resemlbes the Mormon oath taken prior to 1931.

1happycamper

TO- Wildflower, Good point. We need to worry about OUR OWN salvation and not what someone else has or has not done ( WHICH SHOULD NOT BE OUR CONCERN) It is all up to us as individuals to live a righteous life here on this tiny, little, planet within this vast universe that we dwell :)

Grace

I left the Church over this basic Biblical teaching 24 years ago, when I became a "born-again" Christian. I hadn't planned to leave the Church in any way, but was just doing deep Biblical reading, trying to "get closer to Jesus". I became enamored with His life and decided that I needed to know more. Born & raised in the church, I was baffled at the strong testament of Christ by my non-LDS friends, to whom I was witnessing.

I just kept reading and asking the Lord to show me how to get a powerful witness of Jesus, like my "wacky born-again friends". They drove me nuts with all their talk about the "efficacy of the shed Blood of Christ". They challenged me to first understand what the Bible said about Christ, and then to see if my religion agreed. I told them of course my church was Biblical and set out to prove them wrong.

I dove into ALL the church teachings on the subject & was blown away at what I found our founding prophets taught at every General Conference.

A man-made foundation has to keep changing... Now do your own homework.

usmcvetdeb

To the family of Mr. Ronnie Lee Gardner and to the families of his victims. Please accept my heartfelt sympatheties. My family will keep you in our thoughts and prayers for the remainder of our time on earth. We wish you peace and hope you will accept our sincerity from within our loving hearts, minds, bodies and souls. May the Lord lift you and guide you to a place of peace so your healing may begin.

The Strong Family in Arizona.

JosephONE

In 1978 Bruce R. McConkie wrote of Blood atonement:
"Let me say categorically and unequivocally that this doctrine can only operate in a day when there is no separation of Church and State and when the power to take life is vested in the ruling theocracy as was the case in the day of Moses."

Moses came down from the Mount with Commandments from God saying Thou shalt not Kill... and proceeded to kill all idol worshippers.

Also:
"..we must mention that there are some sins for which the blood of Christ alone does not cleanse a person. These include blasphemy against the Holy Ghost (as defined by the Church) and that murder which is the unlawful killing of a human being with malice."

It is apparent LDS Leadership, at least in their personal opinion, does not believe the Atonement of Christ is for everyone. How pagan.

Grace

Dear Ct98,

Good luck getting the Church leaders to answer your direct questions about doctrinal changes on controversial topics. But I encourage you to keep trying.

If you keep a record of all letters and inquiries that you make on any given topics, you will quickly see that you'll get many different opinions from bishops, seminary/Institute teachers, BYU profs, church historians, The Brethren in SLC, Sun. Sch. teachers, etc. These blogs here are a perfect example.

This is not to criticize the Church, it's just the way it is when you have so many doctrinal changes over the past 170 years. The bottom line is exactly as zinnia, Heathjh and others have stated about the current prophet's declarations: His statements are current doctrine. End of subject.

But it's not the end of the subject, because even he can change his prior revelation. The "maze" of changes is dizzying and confusing to members; outsiders can never get a grip on this kind of "ever-changing world of Mormonism".

You will have to accept the fact that polygamy, black priesthood holders, blood atonement, temple blood oaths, BoM text, etc. were only "the truth" in their day.

JosephONE

Everyone should read the below over and over and over again. LDS inc has more Lawyers than Stakes. The First Presidency and Monson did not issue this. Brigham did issue Blood Atonement. Guess which is Doctrine and which is PR tomfoolery.

I can find nothing on the Church's website about "blood atonement".

If the Church issues a statement, don't they put it on their website?

Was this statement made at a press conference? Who said it? Did all the First Presidency and Quorum of the 12 attach their names to it?

If not, then it is not "doctrine", is it? Does the Church's PR spokesperson have the authority to declare "doctrine"? Can the PR department or a press agent contradict hundreds of years of preaching by sustained and ordained "prophets, seers, and revelators"?

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