Congratulations to the UofU as they were the most logical choice in the West to
join. And for the BYU fans that loved to dog on the UofUs B-Ball program this
last year please re-read this quote from the article “its men's basketball
team had played in 32 NCAA basketball tournament games between 1991 and
2009.’ Dear BYU fan how many NCAA tournament games has your team played
in during that same timeframe, let alone won? Go Utes.
Way to go Utah. Yeah, it hurts being such a blue-blood to see the Utes graduate
because I am a little jealous. But hey, even I'll admit seeing the Utes beat
the Crimson Tide was thrilling. Kudos the the Utes. Yes, you deserve it.
Minor nitpick. Its Washington St that currently has the smallest stadium in the
PAC 10 with a capacity between 35k and 40k, depending on which source one uses.
This conference move will benefit the entire state of Utah including BYU. There
will be growing pains but the hurt and divisions will eventually heal. Soon
everyone on both sides (BYU and Utah) will work for a more positive future.
Congratulations to the U of U for their fortune and their hard work. The
direction that the U has taken to date has seemingly paid off. BYU will have
their moment I have no doubt. Their direction is no less visionary or important
it will just take longer. Who could have imagined that the university Brigham
Young started would rise to these heights. Today is most definitely Utah's, the
university and the state. Good luck to everyone involved may your future be
I'm a devote Ute fan and after the Max Hall affair a devote BYU-hater. That
being said, BYU (just like Utah, TCU, and Boise St.) has gotten the shaft a
couple of times because of the current BcS system. My fear is that a once
anti-BcS group will now become complacent because they're in an automatic BcS
bowl conference. When, and it'll happen, the Utes when a "National
Championship" under the current system I won't be celebrating. It won't be
legit until they change the system and make it fair. I'm a huge Ute fan but an
even bigger BcS hater.Down with the BcS! Go Utes!
It will be interesting to see how this change affects recruiting of LDS athletes
by the University of Utah. Utah is a great school, but it is a stretch to say
that Utah was accepted to the PAC-10 because it has a stronger academic
reputation or that BYU had an inferior athletic program when compared to Utah.
I always rooted for Utah except when they played BYU. It is hard to root for a
team that was only invited after a mediocre Colorado program was extended an
offer first and at least 5 other better schools refused the offer. Doesn't it
seem odd to be joining a conference that doesn't approve of a university because
it is affiliated with the Mormon Church? I am not sure this move will be in the
best interests of the University of Utah. The Utes did fine in football without
the PAC-10. I guess Utah will no longer insist the BCS is unfair.
Because of the move this years rivalry game will be even more exciting to watch.
Both teams will try to make a statement.
Now that the shoe is on the other foot, will the newts turn down a chance to
play in the mythical national championship game should the opportunity present
itself? ...or will dollars win again at the expense of fair play?
Let see, with Boise on board, had the Utes stayed, they would become more of a
power conference then even the PAC Conference. Now they move to become bottom
feeders. Well, they will do better then Colorado will.
To Smith9294 - I am a BYU fan. Accept for the BYU hater comment (can't hold a
university responsible for the stupidty of an athlete) I agree with your
comments. A national championship under the current system is tainted in every
aspect and yes, I agree that BYU's was even tainted because it was a voting
system. When we finally have a true championship like they do in basketball,
there will be a true reason to gloat for getting one.
Utah will now make more money but i am afraid that they will also find less and
less success on the court or on the field. Colorado was added because they were
a great athletic success but because of the tv market, why was utah added?
probably not to win. good luck utah, you probably will need it.
Do the anti-Mormon bigots at Stanford and Cal realize that;1-Brigham
Young himself founded the U.2-The Coach and President are active
Mormons who both attended BYU. As are the two Coordinaters.3-Over
half of the studentbody are LDS.4-There is a room in Kingbury Hall
named after Joseph Smith.5-Nearly half of the buildings at the U are
named after devout Mormons. Talmage, Widstoe, Gardner, Sill, Olpin, Park,
Huntsman, etc. Oh there's more.6-There were nearly 30 Returned
Mormon Missionarieson Utah's team last year.And you better
take down the dedicatory prayer plaque of David O'Mckay's prayer, hanging in the
Student Union building.And last but least, how will the
nickname "Utes" sit with the muckity-mucks at Stanford.After all,
they used to be the Indians and now they are the "Cardinal", not the bird, the
color. Never want to offend the birds, you know.Oh and their mascot?
A tree!Congrats Utah on your step up. And your self-annointed "Elite
Status".Welcome to the land of OZ.We'll see if BCS bowls
and top 25 finishes are as regular as they have been.
Utah should do well in the sports at which they excel like football and
gymnastics. With USC doomed to return to mediocricy on life-support probation
and without Pete Carroll, they may have a chance at a conference championship in
football, and gymnastics was the only sport at which Utah took a MWC
championship last year. At least now they won't have to play TCU, BYU, and Air
Force each year. The MWC dominated the PAC-10 last year.And on
another positive note, their basketball team is also moving to a less
competitive conference so they will have a chance at winning a game or two.Any way you look at it, the MWC was a stronger conference in football
and basketball than the PAC-10. Utah is moving to the weaker of the two
conferences. The only things the PAC-10 has over the MWC is the tradition, the
name recognition, and the MONEY.
Utah is jumping prematurely. The money will come to the MWC, especially teams
like BYU. When the financial disparity with Utah becomes evident then watch and
learn.I am sorry Utah is choosing to jump ship just as the MWC was going
to get exciting. I wonder if the BCS vows are making this happen to try and shut
out the MWC?
Let's play a game... How high with the ticket prices go now? I think the
Utes have an opportunity to still make the Mountain West look good. Think of the
stink that was put up last year when pac-10 washington played BYU? (yes it was
because of a stupid call) I thinking having the rivalry with teams in different
conferences might add to the national spotlight (although it won't mean as much
As a big Cougs fan (via my daughter) and as a USC alumn, I welcome Utah into the
Pac 12? The coals are hot to join a much more lucrative conference. Utah's got
to make the move. While I agree the MWC is making headway into Nat'l
recognition, the MWC still has a long way to go- with the lives of SDSU, UNLV.
Wyoming & New Mexico. All historically weak football programs. Good for the
Utes. Memo to MWC, get rid of Thompson (still love the "great" TV contract with
The Mtn, which sooo many viewers get) and get a real visionary commissioner as
the Pac 10 got with Scott. Thompason is a joke of a commissioner
To Bluto: Stop playing the victim. Cal and Stanford aren't anti-LDS. They
just don't want their schools to be affiliated with a church sponsored school.
To BradleyC: Are you seriously saying that the MWC will begin to
make as much money as the PAC-12?? THat's hilarious. You truly live in a
bubble. The PAC-12 has two of the top 10 TV markets in the nation. BYU
is irrelevant. Mostly because they haven't done anything of national relevance
in the past 15 years.Go Utes!!
It cost the U nothing, (no money)to leave from the MWC, but I have heard
nothing about the cost to join the PAC. I am sure there is a big ticket for
membership to join the PAC.
The LDS church was not discriminated against! BYU was discriminated against
because it is a private religious school. The PAC 10 gave Baylor the exact same
treatment. Last I checked, Baylor is not owned by the church that I am an active
member of, the LDS church.Yes, the PAC 10 did not want any private
religious institutions, BYU, Baylor, TCU, any of them. If they were descriminant
against the LDS church, they would not have invited Utah either. Half of the
students and more than half of the football coaching staff are LDS. The
president of the school is a direct descendant of Brigham Young! President
Monson graduated from the U! It was not an anti-mormon issue, Utah's invitation
Oh it's good to be a ute. Perfect timing too. UCLA is nothing like its former
self, USC is descruting from the NCAA violations and Oregon just kicked its QB
out. A rose bowl game is a very likely result within the first or
at most 2 years. If things continue, running the tables is not out of the
question within the first couple years. I'd say that TCU, Air Force, and our
out of conference opponents in the past 2 BCS runs were just as tough as the new
schedule will be, so it's a definitely possibility.GO UTES.TDS - If you have any suggestions on how we can spend our money let us know.
When you're already a top 10 team, not a lot of room for improvement.Have fun dwelling around #4 of #5 IN THE MWC in the coming years - it will be
satisfying to watch.
We are who we are. I'm a die-hard Ute, but I have no delusions of grandeur. We
may or may not have a lot of success in football and basketball. We will be
cellar dwellers in baseball and track and field. But as sad as it is, we will
be better off with PAC 12 $.No Ute has said that we would be better
for the PAC 12 than the schools that said no. But TX and the rest said no,
lucky us. I don't care why we got invited, or what BYU fan thinks. We're going
to a BCS conference and I couldn't be more stoked. I have to admit, there is
some satisfaction in reading all of the BYU fan's posts.
Welcome Utah to the Pac-12 the best conference in College Football. Good Luck.
You know sour grapes cougar fans, it isn't about how interesting the BYU - Utah
game will be. That will certainly be one of the interesting parts about the new
adventure Utah has ahead of it. It is about continuing program development,
dramatically increased money and other resources for the school, lightyears jump
forward in exposure from the Las Vegas Bowl and the Mtn TV network and a
temendous improvement in home scheduling that will electrify the fans. There
will be more losses but who cares about wins against UNLV, UNM, CSU, Weber
State, USU, AF, SDSU, N. Illinois and Wyoming. The national radar doesn't even
notice such games. Utah will be on the ride of their lives. Any BYU fan who
pretends to believe they wouldn't do it in a second also if they had the chance
is simply deceiving themselves. This will be great for the State, for the
school and also for BYU because they will get one more game every other year off
that terrible Mtn/versus package. This is one of the greatest moments in the
state's sports history and Utah has earned it by its performance. Kudo's Utes.
I think Utah leaving the MWC is great. Now the only thing that would make it
better would be if the whole rivalry between the U and BYU would go away too!
Seriously guys, what a waste of time and energy.
Grow up Bluto. The U's founding, association or presence of Mormonism on campus
has nothing to do with why they didn't want BYU. They simply don't want a
Private Religious school in the conference (why they wanted Colorado over Baylor
in the proposed Pac-16).Plus, Utes is less offensive than Indians,
especially since it's a name sanctioned by the tribe and NCAA. Just
grow up. BYU's day will come, whether it's a AQ with the MWC or an invite from
someone like the Big XII. But, the there is no way the U could have passed this
opportunity up.I think you'll be fairly surprised how the U will do
in Football, especially in a division with Washington, WSU, Oregon, OSU and
Colorado. Will we win Rose Bowls. Maybe, but not as often as USC has in the
past, but I have no doubt we'll represent Utah well.
I agree with "So. Cal Reader." The MWC is getting better, but this move with
give Utah a much needed boost. As one of the oldest schools in the conference
(and the country) it deserves to be given some national recognition, even if it
means being more amicable with the reprehensible BCS! (I'm still going to
campaign against the broken system!)I think BYU has mad great
strides in developing their athletic and other programs, but I think they have a
long way to go too. I think the MWC as a whole has a long way to go, and they
need to do more to focus on developing multiple teams worthy of playing at a
national level. Inviting BSU was the right move, regardless of whether Utah was
deciding to move on to the PAC-12 or not. I think Utah's move can
only help prove that there are good teams in the MWC, and that other conferences
need to take them seriously!
Still some haters out there spewing jealously. Sure I am jealous that the U has
a gravy train of 10,000 large that they did not have last week. To see
what the U has done with their paltry $31MM is impressive. Now they
automatically have $10MM (10,000 large) more and it raises them from the bottom
of the funding shown in this article. Increase RES capacity by 20K
fans so it is the same size as LES and that is two very impressive college
football venues within 50 miles. Size wise, there could be comparison to Rose
Bowl/Colesium or Dodd/Sanford, Memorial Stadium/the Farm, etc.
As a Ute fan, I can't stand the BCS format. Even now that the U is moving to the
PAC-12, I will remain anti-BCS. For Y fans, either the MWC will become BCS very
soon or the system will dissolve. It's only a matter of time. Here's hoping the
U does well in the PAC-12.Go UTES!
Bluto-That is pretty funny. As I said before, BYU and the U are joined
together at the hip more than either would like to admit. It will become less
over time now.The LDS church is just not in the university business.
BYU is what it is and I personally am happy with that. I am not a complainer
about top 15 finishes in football, ncaa bball appearances, and broad based
success in many other sports. If the MWC gets an AQ status anytime,
then BYU/U football will be more like GA/GA Tech, VA/VA Tech, FLA/FSU, etc-a
great rivalry-hopefully during rivalry week.
Chris B-don't become so delusional as many Coug fans have over the years.
Temper your expectations. 5-4 in the PAC-10 is a solid year and worthy of a
bowl. TVB-I live in PAC-10 land and am a PAC-10 lover, but it ain't
the best conference in college football. I wish it were.
CONGRATULATIONS This is a great opportunity for Utah and they are never happier
than when they are at the top of the Mountain West conference. All they will
have to do year in and year out is beat USC, UCLA, ARIZONA St., and ARIZONA. To
have a shot to play in the 12 PAC championship in football. They have to do that
and a little more for Basketball. Look every conference has its powder puffs.
Utah is strong every four or five years in football and is a solid player in
Basketball. I have enjoyed having them in the Mountain West and wish them good
luck and god speed. I hope the money is good for you you deserve all that it
Utah won just one championship in the MWC this year (Womens Volleyball, I
think). So if the can't win in the lowly MWC what will they do in the great PAC
10.I'm glad to see them go now I will never have to cheer for them
again (since it was for the conference and not them I was cheering for anyway).
I hope BYU will look at not scheduling the Utes. We already have to see Utah
State every year, if they keep the utes on the schedule then there would be
fewer chances to see real football schools. I.E. Notre Dame, Florida State, Penn
State, etc.Finally everyone is saying that this will hurt BYU in
recruiting. That is an ignorant statement if you understand the recruiting
philosophy of Bronco Mendenhall. He is looking for athletes who want to come to
BYU and those athletes will not change just because Utah is now the Wyoming of
the Pac 10.Anyway, I just wanted to say adios to the Utes and I hope
I never have to see their drunk, ignorant fair weather faces again at LES.
I wish the Utes well. This actually makes it easier for me, as a Cougar fan, to
cheer for the Utes.Good luck to them.
good luck to the utes. i wish you all the success. wish you could've stayed
longer. you are a great program. i hope this doesn't silence the "utah
unfairness of the bcs" supporters. money shuts the voices of discontent no
matter how loud and right. i wonder what they will do with all the anti-bcs
signs? ship them down to provo. life will go on in the mwc...
Hey BYU could have moved to a real conference...if losing the Vegas Bowl almost
every year was one of the criteria.
Well done Utes! This is great news for Utah. The leap in both revenues and
national exposure will do wonders to elevate the U and improve all of their
programs.As for the PAC on a national level I am not convinced that
they have accomplished that much. While Colorado did win a NC in 1990 they have
been almost invisible in the weak Big 12 North division. Reports say that
Colorado leaving had no significant impact on the Big 12's revenue, so why would
it be such an improvement for the PAC? Will the Salt Lake market generate
enough PAC 12 revenues to cover Utah's share of the PAC pie?I do
understand the need for having 12 schools to allow a championship football game.
It would be interesting to see the revenue projections to have a better
financial understanding of the expansion.While I think this is a
wonderful opportunity for the U, I can also understand why many people outside
of Utah are wondering what all of the fuss is about.
I just hope we can go out with a bang and have a successful year. I think most
teams should be better this year than they were last year.
Nobody is going to want BYU, because their religion forbids Sunday competition,
and no conference wants to deal with that.They should remain in their cozy
little conference where all the other school are used to their idiosyncracies.
Utah can compete with every team in the PAC 10 in football. Will they win every
game? No. Going undefeated in conference is rare for any team in the old PAC
10 and will continue to be difficult. Look at the teams last year in the
PAC-10, Utah lost by a score to the PAC 10 champs, on the road. A
dissappointing loss, but nothing to hang your head over. They beat up Cal
pretty good, despite giving them an early 14 point cushion.I expect
basketball to be in the bottom half of the conference for a few years. But they
would be in the middle or bottom half of the MWC as well. The Pac-12 is a more
alluring conference for coaches and recruits. Cannot really dispute that, so
Utah will improve there. Few really care about the other sports.
I think you can lay the blame of Utah's move to the PAC-1x at the feet of the
MWC commissioner and the lousy TV deal that makes all teams in the MWC anonymous
and irrelevant. A lot of other conferences seem to be going that way also but
they have much bigger TV markets than the Mountain West.And anytime
you can get more money from your athletic programs so that the students won't
have to subsidize athletics then you seriously need to look at it. I think it's
a good move for the University. A "no-brainer".
Awesome move for the UTES. Now I will be able to see some Utah games. I will
NEVER know why the MWC made that rediculous agreement with the mountain. The "mountain" is what I call the "stealth" conference. (No one can see it)As far as the Utes being bottom dwellers. That is just wishful thinking from
jealous zoobies. I beleive the Utes will come right out of the gate winning.
Also, when any 'GOOD' program plays in a tougher conference, they become a
tougher team. The Utes will be able to get better recruits. In fact when they
are at the top of the PAC12, they will probably get some of the LDS "blue chip"
recruits that would have gone to YBU.
As a die-hard BYU I've got to tip my cap to the Utes. They have created a
consistently good football team and win their bowl games. BYU needs
to step it up. If Boise State can get to the level of play that they are at,
with two BCS victories in their 14 years of existence, BYU can certainly do
better.I hope that this inspires and motivates BYU.
Pac 10 took MWC's sloppy seconds. Congrats 12-Pack. Good luck.
I find it ironic that the jealous TDS fans can believe the MWC is a better
conference And the Utes won't be able to compete. Seems to me we've competed
quite well in the MWC, why not the "inferior" PAC 12? For 30 years, I've
listened to Utah AND TDS fans speculate on how great it would be to bolt from
the WAC/MWC and jopin a "good" conference. Now, Suddenly, it's a bad idea? Yes,
to all you haters, The U is considered to be a good research university as wel
as a respectable athletic school. You down south can spout off all you want
about your superiorty but, How many times have you been to a BCS bowl? All
you've proven is that you can beat Utah in rebuilding years. So what? I don't
like the TDS but, I do hope the Big 12 expands and gives you an invutation as
well. If you really think the BCS is going to let the MWC in, look at the rules
on joining concerning the lower echelon teams. For the conference to join, the
lower teams have to get better.
@Bluto: i highly doubt they said in the meeting "well if byu weren't mormon, we
would have asked them instead"... that argument is ridiculous, it has nothing to
do with religion.If you were trying to make money would you want to
target Salt Lake City or Provo? its that simple man.
Wrote Arizona Daily Star reporter Greg Hansen: "Colorado brings little to the
Pac-10. No baseball, no softball, no swimming, a basketball team that averaged
6,267 fans and almost no new money. Utah would bring even less. The Utes
wouldn't help to solve the raging financial crisis at Oregon State, Wazzu and
ASU. We take it on good faith that Scott has more to his expansion
tour/marketing outreach than Colorado and Utah. We take it that the presidents
and chancellors of the Pac-10 didn't give Scott all of that power merely to add
teams with less presence than Oregon State. The Pac-10 can use a bump in
glamour, and especially one at the bank, but I don't see how Colorado or Utah
can help either. I'm aware of the negative variables and politics about adding
BYU, but the Cougars have a history, a brand and a presence that neither Utah
nor Colorado can touch."Just want to make sure all readers see this
Tysman | 9:46 a.m. June 17, 2010 Anyway, I just wanted to say adios
to the Utes and I hope I never have to see their drunk, ignorant fair weather
faces again at LES. ---------------Tell us how you
really fell Max. I think someone can use a hug.
Bluto | 7:27 a.m. June 17, 2010 Do the anti-Mormon bigots at Stanford and
Cal realize that;1-Brigham Young himself founded the U.2-The Coach and President are active Mormons who both attended BYU. As are the
two Coordinaters.3-Over half of the studentbody are LDS.-----------------They do, that's why they are not anti-Mormon
bigots. Can't say the same for Prop-8 stance though, I would think
being gay is against the Honor Code.
I think this may be the beginning of the end for BYU sports. There’s just
no way it can compete in the recruiting war when another school in the same
media market is a member of a BCS elite conference. Wanna make a bet with me? I
bet that within the next 5-7 years, after BYU is again shut out of the Big 12
expansion, after its losses to Utah mount in terms of record and the recruiting
battles, and after a few more seasons of the Vegas Bowl while Utah goes to a
couple of BCS bowls, possibly the Rose Bowl and a few Holiday Bowls, after
frustrated fans drop their support and interest in watching BYU compete at the
lowest levels of college sports, BYU will finally choose to discontinue it NCAA
sports programs. The stadium can still be used for the 4th of July celebration
and local high school football playoffs. Within the next decade, probably the
only sports found at BYU will be intramural sports.
Fiddler | 11:49 a.m. June 17, 2010 Wrote Arizona Daily Star reporter Greg
Hansen:"I'm aware of the negative variables and politics about adding BYU,
but the Cougars have a history, a brand and a presence that neither Utah nor
Colorado can touch."Just want to make sure all readers see this
quote.------------Greg Hansen is a Utah State Aggie,
nuff said.Plus he forgot to menthion in his article that AAUP has
sited BYU for violations of academic freedom since 1998.While you
are at it read ESPN, SportingNews, etc. about why Utah got picked and BYU was
left at the alter.
@Bluto-"the anti-Mormon bigots at Stanford and Cal"?Are you
speaking from experience? Or are you the epitome of the reason why Utah got the
invite and not BYU?
So much to say, so little space to say it.If you want to know how
the typical BYU fan feels about this promotion for Utah, all you have to do is
read these comment boards. If you are pea-brained enough to think
that the BYU is more deserving of this invitation, you are wrong. If they were,
they would have gotten the invitation. The PAC-10 (12) has just
validated Utah as a superior athletic and academic institution.We
all know that BYU, its athletic departments, its student body, its fans, etc.
have always had a chip on their shoulder. Lavell Edwards practiclly lobbied for
inclusion into the PAC-10 for 20 years. Now Utah is invited and we
get to listen to all the cry-babies and losers who think themselves, their
school, their families, etc, to be better than everyone around them, except of
course, those who they see on Sunday morning. Get over it. You just
learned that Utah is a better school. If they weren't you'd have gotten this
invite instead of them.
I am not a Utah hater, and I wish them and all their new-found wealth well. But
I can't help but laugh at all the arrogance shown here by some Utah fans. The
fact of the matter is: the not-so-handsome prince wanted to dance with
Cinderella, but she left the ball and took all of her pretty friends with her,
leaving only the ugly step-sister as a potential dance partner. The
not-so-handsome prince lavished the ugly step-sister with gifts, causing her to
forget about all the warts on the prince's face. Oh, and the ugly step-sister
completely forgot about her big brother to the south who drove her to the ball
in the first place. She could have at least offered to pay for his gas.
Oxy-Moroni | 12:09 p.m. June 17, 2010 "Wanna make a bet with me?"Sure, just woke up. Let's bet breakfast...Seriously, BYU has been
in the WAC and MWC. It hasn't hurt them yet.Uteology | 12:07 p.m.
June 17, 2010 "They do, that's why they are not anti-Mormon bigots." Why not prove your class, Uteology, and call my wife fat again? The PAC
doesn't hate mormons, they dislike the LDS Church.Nancy Pelosi is
the Speaker of the US House of Representatives out of San Fancisco, Barbara
Boxer and Diane Feinstein are Senators from CA. Guess their position on Prop 8.
(the church should have stayed away from prop 8). How much do you think they
appreciate the LDS Church coming into CA on prop 8. One school can
veto BYU. No was the political powere that do things for the school are allowing
an LDS sponsored institution in. No way Cal and Stanford let an LDS sponsored
institution in. They'll let in Mormons in a State Sponsored School, but not the
LDS church.No making excuses, Utah is a fine pick, but Prop 8 nailed
it shut on BYU.
from ESPN...on BSU's admission into MWC...Boise State moved to the
Mountain West -- but without Utah, it's not as impactful.The chance
of getting BCS-AQ for MWC is now very slim w/o Utah
Dream on Oxi-toxi-moroni!Utah can't even fill the rice bowl.....the
pac10 is desparate given the USC sanctions and Texas telling them HECK NO! PAC
10 expansion considered SDSU, UNLV, Nevada too before settling on Utah.....My
son was Allstate and is on a mission, he would never consider playing for the
utes....especailly a ute team that can't get out of the basement of the pac 10!
Don't worry about the Y, its USU you should be worried about, plus the fact that
BSU will represent the MWC better than the U ever could!
re:BoDiddlyU | 12:27 p.m. June 17, 2010 It's Bo Diddley Tech, and
Bryant Gumbel was an idiot to coin the term...Bo Diddley was an
American rock and roll vocalist, guitarist, songwriter, and inventor. He was
known as "The Originator" because of his key role in the transition from the
blues to rock & roll, influencing a host of legendary acts including Buddy
Holly, Jimi Hendrix, The Rolling Stones, and Eric Clapton.I heard
the Rock and Roll Hall of Famer play at the HOB Sunset Strip, and the guy is a
legend.Keep your handle. It's a tribute to the man, and BYU
Not that anyone expected it, but if Utes had any sense or class at all, they'd
have held out for inclusion of BYU and respect for its no-Sunday-play policy.I would hope, but again, would not expect, BYU would do the same.I don't have a dog in this fight, as my alma mater is already in the
PAC-10, but it's sad that there is such a toxic relationship between two schools
so similarly situated and so closely connected that neither program understands
its importance to the other.The two programs, together, could
provide a much larger boost to any conference -- including guaranteed sellout
crowds for regular season or post-season play between the two teams -- than
could either program, by itself.
Uteology, please direct me to any specific articles. I'd be glad to read them.
I'm fine with Utah over BYU to the Pac 10 but I just hope we're not all trying
to spin this as the better program went. Clearly the P10 wasn't as worried about
that, hence Colorado's invite.
Uteology | 12:12 p.m. June 17, 2010 "Plus he forgot to menthion in
his article that AAUP has sited BYU for violations of academic freedom since
1998."The word is "cited", not "sited". Dude, I make spelling errors
same as the next guy, but you are not even using the right word.Cited:"to call upon officially or authoritatively to appear (as before a
court)."If you want to claim academics, you should really know what
the "big" 5 letter (LOL) words mean. In 1992, BYU issued a statement
limiting academic freedom in certain areas, including language that attacked The
Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, and language that violates the
university's honor code. In 1997, the American Association of
University Professors (a non-accrediting organization) criticized BYU based on
the wording of the new statement.Since this statement was released,
the university has received continued accreditation from the Northwest
Association of Schools and of Colleges and Universities, which specifically
approved of the new statement, as it was typical of many religious
institutions.The reason he didn't mention it is probably
because it is a non-issue since the University is accredited by NASC.
Uteology | 12:12 p.m. June 17, 2010 Fiddler | 11:49 a.m. June 17, 2010 "Greg Hansen is a Utah State Aggie, nuff said."Nuff said, what
does that even mean? So he went to USU? Greg Hansen is a longtime Arizona Daily
Star columnist, and considered a fair-minded writer.Usually, as in
this case, "nuff said" means there is nothing to back up the argument.The article is about Larry Scott and the PAC-10's willingness to hand him all
the power, and hoping that he brings more than Colorado and Utah.Uteology, the U got the invite, be proud. Some people are already where you
are going, and don't have the crimson galsses you wear.Some are not
as giddy as you are. Greg Hansen has a whole different agenda than ripping the
soul out of Utah fans.He made some valid points about PAC-12
expansion.You can't write off his arguments because "he's an Aggie,
Nuff Said".Learning consists of looking at things from different
perspectives and forming your own opinion. Universities teach you this cognative
process. Serious, go take some classes and become a real Utah Man.
TRUTH... I was Allstate in 3 sports my Junior and Senior year, but what does
this have to do with the article... Being on the All State Team in Utah is like
being on the practice squad for a high school team in Texas and California...
You make me laugh... I am going to write down what you just said and laugh about
it later tonight with my son!!
Who is the dude that said Utah is superior athletically? I forget his name.
Really? BYU/Utah football is 10-10 over the last 20 years and you
are saying the U is superior? Wasn't the basketball total county 125-125
recently over the last 100 years. I know you are trying to knock down your BYU
brothers with your infammatory numbers, but that statement was rash. Academically? That can be argue on what the basis is for judgement. Research
and research funding or university education. Whether you like it
or not (and whether I like it or not) BYU and UU look each in the eyes in a lot
of ways.I am just asking you to chill. Your school is not elite in
athletics or academics, just like mine.
ESPN radio in PHX is welcoming UU into the conference. Lots of respects as
compared to Greg Hansen from the Tucson daily star.As I thought
about it, UA has never been to the Rose Bowl, so maybe they are just ticked off.
Acknowledgement of the recent BBall struggles, but many references
to the past. Basically, said it is a good fit for the PAC 10.
Their prognostication is a 3rd or 4th place finish in football next fall. That
is some pretty high praise and about the best that could be expected. Just some FYI to all the U fans.
Hey U fans-Is it derrogatory to call RES the Rice Bowl? Some guy
did on this thread and did mean it in a derragorty way, but I think it is a
catchy nickname and pretty cool. Just askin. Here, the field for
the AZ Dbacks will always be the 'BOB' (bank one ballpark), not Chase Field for
me....I don't want to demean the contributions the Eccles family
gave, but I think that is a nickname that could stick if you wanted it to-ala
'USC playing UU at the Rice Bowl in SLC.'
Ok Utes- congrats on the invitation- too bad there are 6 other refused addresses
marked on envelope. Being the PAC-10's sixth choice is a bit depressing- but it
is an invitation nonetheless.I know Ute fans don't like actual facts
or records when attempting to compare themselves against their instate big
brother BYU, but let's look at them anyway... The Learfield Sports
Directors' Cup Rankings of overall Athletic Department success. BYU
#34 vs. Utah #67 (FYI 8 of the current PAC-10 schools ranked above #33) only
Oregon State(#73) and Washington State (#145) were below Utah's ranking. Go to
the nacda wesite for rankingsLast year's Deseret Duel was not even
close- nod to BYU. BYU 47.5 vs Utah 15.5
Congrats on the invitation- too bad there are 6 other refused addresses marked
on envelope. Being the PAC-10's sixth choice is a bit depressing- but it is an
invitation nonetheless.I know Ute fans don't like actual facts or
records when attempting to compare themselves against their instate big brother
BYU, but let's look at them anyway-The Learfield Sports Directors'
Cup Rankings of overall Athletic Department success. BYU #34 vs.
Utah #67 (FYI 8 of the current PAC-10 schools ranked above #33) only Oregon
State(#73) and Washington State (#145) were below Utah's ranking. Go to the
nacda wesite for rankingsLast year's Deseret Duel was not even
close- nod to BYU. BYU 47.5 vs Utah 15.5
I know that the University of Utah is not superior to BYU... I wish BYU Fans
could congratulate us and move on as well as Utah fans but there always has to
be somebody on here that have to go to far with derogatory comments... I will
admit that I have said some stuff on here that I would take back but I don't see
any BYU Fans saying the same thing...AZGUY as far as calling it the
RICE bowl I do take offense to that... We don't call LES the Cow Pasture... Just
saying!! And it isn't a bowl yet... A Bowl is whole and doesn't have one side
with 2 gaps on it...
--AZguy | 3:17 p.m. June 17, 2010 "ESPN radio in PHX is welcoming UU into
the conference. Lots of respects as compared to Greg Hansen from the Tucson
daily star."Of course they are.One thing to get out of
the way,Greg Hansen's article was not meant to be a Colorado/Utah
bash.It was meant to ask what Larry Scott and CCA's next move
was.If all Larry Scott and CCA could do was get Colorado and Utah,
then he is asking "What was the point?"Now, with Colorado and Utah
they can have a playoff, which is nice, but if anyone has been following the
story, the cash strapped PAC-12 schools need more money. While it is a windfall
for Utah, the PAC-10 schools needed more.That is his point. To keep
pushing Larry Scott, and if Larry Scott has something else up his sleeve, it
means more money for Utah.Take his article for what it is. A great day for Utah, but not the Huge move the PAC-10 wanted.
No offense TAGZZ, I swear. Just asking. Don't know where the cow pasture
reference came from. If LES used to be a cow pasture, I would not be offended
with the 'pasture'-ala 'the farm' at Stanford. I think that would be catchy.
it would be a good history lesson to show how it went from a cow pasture to a
65K fan stadium with a sweet big screen and outstanding media resources. Gunslinger-BYU's director's cup scores always go down in the
spring. They score men's volleyball different now and we get no points if we do
not make it to the final four. It was sweet to get 100 points for volleyball
though. If UU gets any points for gymnastics, their score will jump up by at
least 50 points. I have argued those scores with my ASU peeps for years to no
avail. You have to wait until the final scores after baseball-in two weeks.
Oh yeah-go Devils in the College World Series.Go Cougs
the rest of the time!Once again, congrats on your $10,000 large
annual payday. I am green with envy over your green.
Having been raised in SEC country most of my life and being a transplant to the
state of Utah, I have watched the MWC over the years and have grown to love the
MWC. I pull for all MWC teams regardless of who they are playing out of
conference. Me, like alot of people are sick of the BCS and would like to see
their demise. Though I have grown to be a strong BYU fan, you have to give
credit to the U of U. They have got it done and I can't blame them for leaving
the MWC. I would have liked to see them stay because they helped the MWC in
terms of credibility. And with the addition of BSU, it would only been a short
while before the MWC would be AQ. I hope the run for the money won't bite the U
in the rear down the road. If BYU wants consideration from another AQ
conference, they need to prove themselves on the football field and start
getting to BCS games and win them. But regardless of what BYU does, I admire
coach Mendenhall and the program he runs there.
Easy Buster-I said it yesterday and I will say it again. Larry Scott swung for
the fences and got a single (that was the ESPN quote from early this week). I
will call it a double with the inclusion of the U. My guess is that
the revenue for the conference will the same as it is today for each existing
school because UU and CU's inclusion will bring a conf. champ whick is worth
$10,000 large in itself. Then after a new TV deal, all existing
PAC-10 schools will be better off than they are today. Another
point that I forgot earlier. On the radio in comparing RES capacity of 45K to
Sun Devil Stadium of 75K, the fellas brought up the point that a 45K stadium
filled (RES) is a better venue than a 75K venue with only 45K in attendance. It
was not my point, but I agreed with them. So, the importance of RES being
expanded would be only to the point where it can be filled. Autzen is only 50K,
but it is a tough place to play.
--AZguy | 4:21 p.m. June 17, 2010 Don't sweat it. It seems we are
all on the same page if we see everything that is said or written for what it
is.Of course the PAC is going to welcome Utah, but there is more
needed from Larry Scott.The PAC is hurting both competatively in
athletics, and financially. They need to expect more from Larry Scott. I just
wonder if if the PAC is even in position to demand much.
I love utah utes but this season in football is going to be a tough season in
the mnt west. They don't move untill 2011 people so I hope they are prepared to
have even a bigger target on there backs while playing conference games. Go
Utes don't forget you still have to play tough in the Mnt. West. And remind the
pac 10 they are not getting a cake walk of a program.
hambone,I see TCU as the only tough MWC game. With harvey gone, I
don't see TDS doing much and we always find a way(barely) to get by air
force.It's a 50% chance of winning the conference, and I'd say a
30-40% chance of a BCS game, as I personally think PITT is WAY overrated. Well
work them just like the fiesta bowl.
Man, Boise State kind of got sucker punched!MWC: "Come and join us!
We'll have 4 super-strong teams! Credibility abounds!"Boise State:
"Sounds GREAT!"MWC after Utah leaves for the PAC 12: "Did we say
four super-strong teams? We meant 3 great teams."Oops....
Buster,You let your animosity and hatred toward the University of
Utah come out in each of your posts. What gives? Why not get off your soap box
and allow the university to enjoy its moment in the spotlight? One would think
that you, as a supporter of BYU, would be more positive and supportive of other
programs, particularly your "rival" university. But, I guess like Max Hall, its
okay for you to verbally cut down your competition. Right?
WestCoast1 | 10:16 p.m. June 17, 2010 "One would think that you, as a
supporter of BYU, would be more positive and supportive of other programs,
particularly your "rival"."Why do we have to be supportive of a
program moving because it's their only chance to do what we have done. You
haven't won a game PAC game yet...It's like when Karl Malone
couldn't win in the NBA Finals so he went to the Lakers. Did he need
congratulations from Jazz fans?So you need help to get a NC. So you
go to PACland because you can't do it on your own. Come on little whiners. Be
Adults. How many Utah fans congratulate BYU for the NC. It's all "astrisk,
mythical, accidently backing in"...But you want a congratulations?
Go pat yourselves on the back. Live long and prosper. Whine about Dick Harmon,
but don't whine to BYU...BYU fans are proud of their tradition, 3
out of 4 scoreboards, and scorecoard last year in basketball and football. BYU
fans are fine with you heading somewhere else to do what we have already
done.Just say goodbye... And go...
BYU = irrelevant.
Why wouldn't Utah take this opportunity? MORE MONEY, MORE SUPPOSED PRESTIGE,
AND A WAY OUT OF THE MTN. NETWORK. They made the right choice. I have always
hated the UTES and have never wanted them to do well, now that they are in a
different conference I WILL WANT them to win every game except when they play
us. I hope they do well in the PAC-10. This shouldn't be a suprise to anyone
Utah has been very good OF LATE and PAC-10 won't take private schools especially
religious schools. You Utes saying BYU=Irrelevant may I remind you
of the last 3/4 in football and the last how many in a row in basketball, before
you crow too loudly Colorado was the other team that accepted, who are they?
Having said that Cograts, goodluck, and I hope you win the Pac-10
the first two years that you're in it to prove a point we've been saying for
years. That will make our beating you all the more fun!!!!
Can you really say that the PAC 10 is superior to the MWC?USC is without 2
years of bowl games and without Pete Carrol good bye all american recruitsOregon is without their starting QB from last year and the only team that is
going to be a real threat to the BCS this year will be Washington.On the
other hand the MWC got better than not, Boise State can replace Utah with no
problem. They have been to as many BCS games as Utah has, and they were the
winningest college of the last decade.The Pac 10 is in serious trouble if
they think Colorado is going to help them improve in wins.This year
is going to be so funny because TCU is going to go undefeated again and so will
Boise State and Boise will win the National Championship, so that will top the
Pac 12 when it comes to be the MWC will have 3 national championship teams and 4
BCS Bowl appearances without Utah. If Utah would have stayed you cant say that
the MWC isnt in the top 3 conferences in country. Maybe Utah made a mistake this
Not to mention with Basketball how this affects sure we lost Utah but the Pac 10
isnt nearly as good as MWC in college basketball, they only had 2 teams in the
tourny which they only should have had 1. With the MWC having 4...
MichiganCoog:byu=MWCbyu=non-AQbyu=jealousbyu=envybyu=bitternessbyu=zero BCSbyu=go Ute$
Let me make this perfectly clear! 1. Utah will never be playing in a
national championship game.2. Fans are more interested with wins. Utah
will not have as good of a win-lose record they enjoyed in the MWC.3. Refs
in the pac-10 are controlled. They'll call games to favor Southern Cal (or
others) so more money will flow from bowl or championship games. Money flow is
more important than honesty and Utah can't compete with some of the others for
the big bucks. The purpose for Colorado and Utah is for conference championship
games and you can figure which teams will be in it. It won't be Utah against
Washington State. Maybe one of them against UCLA, Cal, or Southern Cal, but not
likely. How long are people going to be fooled before someone figures it out?
AZGuy- Please educate yourself before yapping- BYU's average final ranking over
the past 6 years is #32!!The Learfield Sports Directors' Cup
Rankings of overall Athletic Department success- as close to an overall
objective comparison as can be found. 2009-2010- BYU #34 vs. Utah
#67 (FYI 8 of the current PAC-10 schools ranked above #33) only Oregon
State(#73) and Washington State (#145) were below Utah's ranking. Go to the
nacda wesite for rankingsBYU's previous rankings ( amazingly great
compared to the Utes dismal results)2008-09Fall: 24th (166 pts.)Winter: 45th (306.5 pts.)Final: 47th (453.75 pts.)2007-08Fall: 16th (212.75 pts.)Winter: 32nd (385.75 pts.)Final: 41st
(513.25 pts.)2006-07Fall: 15th (222 pts.)Winter: 29th (406.60
pts.)Final: 26th (698.60 pts.)2005-06Fall: 22nd (167 pts.)Winter: 33rd (346.25 pts.)Final: 31st (512.5 pts.)2004-05Fall: 28th (141 pts.) Winter: 33rd (339 pts.)Final: 27th (561.5
I hope the rivalry continues in sports outside of football and basketball. We'll
Maybe with the additional money from the Pac, Utah can afford to have all the
olympic sports on their docket. That would be fun to see.