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Published: Wednesday, June 16 2010 12:58 a.m. MDT

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MOUte

@AZWildcat | 10:44 p.m. June 15, 2010

Thanks for the warm pending welcome. I am hopeful events over the next few days with respect to conference expansion play out as expected.

The universities comprising the current PAC-10 are among the best in the world as a recent study concluded. Clearly, it's the next step for the University of Utah to achieve it's academic mission and athletic endeavors. It would be great to be numbered among the best!

Casper

@bostonblue | 12:51 a.m. June 16, 2010

Good grief, did BYU invent the airplane too??

"Utah Football was non-existent until Urban and a BYU PLAYER decided to coach there. Still, BYU controls the last 5 years!"

Not true. Ron McBride and Fred Whittingham did it. Urban Myer and Kyle Whittingham sealed the deal. BYU has 3 of the last 5. Hardly control.

"ATHLETICS:
BYU: 30 years of a nationally recognized program, national championship, heisman, NFL MVPs, better facilities. Director's Cup #26."

The Utes have done exceptionally well with the budget they have had to work with. you should pay a visit some time. 25 years ago BYU was nationally recognized...not so much now. Alabama just had its first Heisman Trophy winner. BYU is no where near the national reputation of the tide. Heisman, no issue.

"ACADEMICS:
BYU undergrad, Business, Law superior." Yeah, I'll give you business and law. However, it isn't like those two disciplines are non-existent at Utah. They are very good...just not at the level BYU has them. Academically you forget...Utah's health care (all areas), medicine, physics, chemistry, biology, engineering, geological sciences, computer science, and....

MUSSDad

@bostonblue | 12:51 a.m. June 16, 2010

Ah, yes...the bigot card. If you don't get what you want, pull the ole' bigot card. BYU wants to be different yet when treated differently, they start name calling. What a comfortable world you have created for yourself. And you wonder why no one wants anything to do with you (BYU).

btw...every point in your post is highly debatable but thanks for your opinion. When was the last time you inspected Utah's athletic facilities? Went to a football game in their empty stadium? That's what I thought.

Grow up!




Grow up.

BlueDevil_Cougar

I have worked at Universities across this country, and have been in recruiting students for graduate programs over the past 15 years. I can tell you that when ever a BYU graduate applies, we have given them special attention. They come out with an excellent education. The lack of any invitation for BYU can not be based on educational prowess.

Congratulations to Utah for moving on. I have read here frequently about the number of LDS members that attend the U of U. I wonder how many of these wonderful LDS members who are U of U fans will attend any future games scheduled on Sundays. As a BYU grad, I am glad we aren't willing to give that up for any amount of money.

Good luck Utes, I hope you do well.

MUSSDad

@Samuel | 1:48 a.m. June 16, 2010

You left off the rest of the study...

"But when US News evaluates graduate schools, Utah, who has more graduate programs, ranks higher." Thanks, Utah'95 | 1:32 a.m. June 16, 2010

That's like saying BYU has won 3 of 4 games. While true it distorts the picture for the current coaches (3of5 for BYU).

Look, The University of Utah brings in close to $350 Million annually in research revenue. BYU cannot compare with that...not even close (around $40M I believe). There is a reason Utah is able to do that.

For decades, the UofU has focused on building its reputation as a research university. Today, they are being recognized for their success in implementing that strategy. BYU and the University of Utah are not the same type of school and it is silly to try to compare them like they are apples and apples.

A study was completed a few months ago where a Chinese firm ranked the academics for all universities around the world. The University of Utah came in at #80. BYU was in the 400s. Btw...the criteria was consistent and measurable.

wsblack

Hrmm, yearly shots at a conference title with a BCS bid in the offing or year-on-year middle-of-the-pac finishes.

In-conference games would be, on average, more difficult than any of the previous seasons and would lend to more injuries, and a depleted team overall.

net net, the money will go up on average but the shot at glory and winning seasons will obviously go down. And the rivalry will essentially end up on the dust heap of time.

I think that about sums it up. People for whatever reason identify with the option they like best.

UTE_in_SEC_Country

If the MWC is deserving of an automatic bid (which I believe it is) then how come everyone from that conference keeps commenting that one of the top contenders from the conference will be "mid - bottom" of the PAC 10??

Come on, if you really believe the MWC is as strong as you say, then you have to also believe that any of the top teams in it could compete in a BCS conference!

You can't have it both ways just because it is not YOUR favorite team from the MWC that is being rumored to be wanted by the BCS conference.

You only hurt the MWC, and hence your own school, with such comments

MUSSDad

@bostonblue | 12:51 a.m. June 16, 2010

Good grief, did BYU invent the airplane too??

"Utah Football was non-existent until Urban and a BYU PLAYER decided to coach there. Still, BYU controls the last 5 years!"

Not true. Ron McBride and Fred Whittingham did it. Urban Myer and Kyle Whittingham sealed the deal. BYU has 3 of the last 5. Hardly control.

"ATHLETICS:
BYU: 30 years of a nationally recognized program, national championship, heisman, NFL MVPs, better facilities. Director's Cup #26."

The Utes have done exceptionally well with the budget they have had to work with. you should pay a visit some time. 25 years ago BYU was nationally recognized...not so much now. Alabama just had its first Heisman Trophy winner. BYU is no where near the national reputation of the tide. Heisman, no issue.

"ACADEMICS:
BYU undergrad, Business, Law superior." Yeah, I'll give you business and law. However, it isn't like those two disciplines are non-existent at Utah. They are very good...just not at the level BYU has them. Academically you forget...Utah's health care (all areas), medicine, physics, chemistry, biology, engineering, geological sciences, computer science, and....

BYUFAM1

rvalens2 | 9:24 p.m. June 15, 2010
"Okay BYU fans so Utah ends up in the middle of the PAC-12. So what...

Just remember...its a VERY RICH middle of the PAC.

And there isn't going to be anything sweeter than having USC, UCLA, CAL, et al coming to Rice Eccles Stadium even if it's only every other year.

And no matter what happens I sure hope the Utes keep you on their schedule. I don't want to ever see the rivalry end. It's just too much fun..."

The evolution of a Utah Fan (BYU Hater) - pretend you root for your team because you like them when you really just hate BYU - root for them because of the amount of money they bring in for doing nothing new (possibly with less success) - pretend you root for them when you are really in awe of and want to see/cheer their new opponents...seems odd, but it apparently is what make someone be considered a Utah fan.

My appologies if this is considered a Utah only article to you-it has impact on the MWC so I read it and responded-major rarity...

sammyg

Ha Ha! I knew some Ute would bite at the chance to comment on my message about Utah and BYU playing at Vegas a little more often!

Utah in the PAC 12 will be the poster team for the Vegas bowl each year. Start the printing presses because that's where you'll be on a continual basis if you leave. A dream come true for a team that will always be hoping for a shot at the Nat'l Championship.

You could get some more $ but I truly believe you are getting too caught up in the hype. Your best bet is to stay put and see your chances for BCS games through the improved status of the MWC with BSU to contend with. MWC to be an AQ BCS in a year or two Ute boys and girls.



Mo Knows Sports

Nice, what's up. Why will Boise State fold again? They've been the best one of the better teams in the country for the past decade. They have had double-digit wins 7 of the last 10 years. The Utes have only had 4 such seasons. Both teams are 2-0 in BCS games. How can the MWC be in a "big hurt," as you put it, if they added a program at least as strong as the one that MIGHT BE leaving? The addition of Boise State was made to be able to protect the conference from being in a "big hurt" if one of the big three left. The MWC will be just fine, thanks.

zuma84015

If i had the choice between playing san diego st and wyoming and new mexico and unlv or UCLA USC ARIZONA ST STANFORD OR WASHINGTON ON A WEEKLY BASIS I would be mad too if i was a cougar fan i will say this that i will miss the TCU games they have created a good rival with them but if your UTAH you have to go i see them winning 8 to 9 games a year go utes

MUSSDad

I recently had a mother of a return missionary approach me at church (I do not live in Utah) and tell me that her daughter was headed to BYU. She told me that her daughter wanted obtain a minor in the foreign language she spoke while she as on her mission.

She went on to explain to me that BYU told her because a language minor does not relate to her chosen major, she will not be able to work toward the minor.

Last summer, a couple of young men I had in my Teacher's Quorum returned from BYU and told me that they enjoyed the experience they were having at BYU but that they were being pushed to finish their major and get out.

You people must realize that because of two year missions, BYU is in a tough spot. To favorably meet criteria used in rankings such as USA Today, students need to graduate in a certain time.

BYU is trying to ensure that they meet those criteria. A number of years ago, USA Today included females graduated as a criteria in their study. BYU fared horribly in the ranking until that criteria was removed.

MUSSDad

The rankings that you look at in USA Today are not based strictly on academics and are easily manipulated. If the true picture of what BYU is doing academically is distorted, how can progress made by BYU be monitored and appreciated?

I wish the University of Utah well in the decisions being made and hope for an outcome that will be best for the University and the State of Utah. I also wish to express confidence that both BYU and Utah will end up where they should be and do well. We don't know where that is but things happen for a reason. Perhaps all this needless bickering will finally come to an end.

cval

Lotta chicken counting going on here.

Bugoff

Look on the bright side. If University of Utah joins the BCS the legislature can cut their budget by about 10 million each year and save the tax payers some money. Since the PAC12 will be subsidizing the U they can afford the cut.

That should cheer up the Tea Party at least.

hedgehog

I for one will miss our real rivalry with TCU and potential rivalry with BSU. As far as BYU? I think Utah needs to think long and hard about the viability of keeping this game. From a strategic perpective it really only helps BYU.

Pros for BYU
1.Get to play a BCS team ever year
2.Increase SOS
3.Would always have the nothing to lose underdog edge

Cons for Utah
1.Play a decent Non AQ team with a low SOS — If you win it’s expected.
2.If you lose you take a beating in the polls
3.Playing BYU will not affect instate recruiting — Utah will Dominate regardless.

Big_Ben

Hans Olsen on 1280 just announced he recieved a call saying that the Utah to the pac-10 deal is "Rock Solid" his source expects it to happen today.

I am not going to go that far. I think it will happen, but it might not. And the pac-10 has time on its side. So I dont think anything can be read into the fact that the invite has not come yet.

Be patient.........

Riot Man

Obviously there is jealousy involved with the BYU fans' rants. It goes without saying. But some Utah fan made some point of saying out USC, UCLA, Cal and so on would be making their trek to the U every other year, and to that, it begs the question, does it really matter who plays in that stadium if nobody is there to see it?

Do you really think that joining the Pac is going to change your miserable attendance? It might give you a little upsurge in the beginning, but then it will go right back down to where it's always been. Then when they start losing again, as everyone knows they will, their fans will stop coming altogether and the stadium will be a ghost town, again.

At least when you were playing patsies quite a bit, it made your fans feel better about your team, and they came out every once in awhile. You can kiss that goodbye from now on, and those bandwagon hoppers will be gone for good.

NorMans

I hate the yewts and everything about them, but certainly don't fault them for accepting a Pac 10 invitation (assuming it's inevitable). However, there is some kegitimacy to the anti-BYU argument, but I think it's more related to BYU being a religious institution than a Mormon school - the Pac 10 didn't want Baylor either.

Academically, BYU is as good, if not better, than most of the existing Pac 10 schools. And in dollars generated, BYU makes more $$ than the yewts (bigger stadium and larger national following). So, if it were solely about academics and dollars, BYU wins (granted, the UofU does have a great medical school).

It's a bummer that the rivalry will die, but the yewts can still help out their brethren in the MWC - the MWC is slated to become a BCS conference in 2012, which is the same year CO will join the Pac. The yewts can still help the MWC become a BCS conference if they're ranked the next two seasons. So, while it's a bummer the yewts are leaving now, it's likely the MWC will become a BCS conf as well.

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