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Published: Wednesday, June 16 2010 12:58 a.m. MDT

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dinosaur jr.

"Someone has been suggesting that a culture of belief is inconsistent with teaching all the skills associated with critical thinking (the core mission of any university)."
The problem is, that's exactly true. I'm a BYU grad and a BYU sports fan, but BYU is lacking in the academic dept. Sure, BYU has rigorous admission standards and hence capable students, but the academic atmosphere leaves the college experience incomplete.
That said, part of me hopes Utah doesn't leave the MWC. But part of me does. I like the school okay, but too many Ute fans are just haters. Sure, BYU fans can be provincial, but Ute fans are even worse.

Buster

Moody Blue and junkie

Classy Utes, classy comments. I wish Utah luck. I hope the TV contract works out. And I will love watching PAC-12 teams come into RES. I sincerely hope Utah is up to the challenge and represents the state well.

Who knows what the future will bring.

I hope the programs at both Utah and BYU continue to prosper as well.

JohnJacobJingleHeimerSchmidt

Bottom line: If roles were revered everyone would be saying the opposite thing they are saying now.

Bottom line 2: This has nothing to do with academics, it has to do with money, football money and the revenue it generates.

It would have been better had BYU and Utah moved up but we live in a world that is driven by money.

This is the free market at work so all you BYU fans that love capitalism, this is it in it's raw and ugly form.

first2third

The pac ten/twelve needs another team. A twelfth team gives them the right to have a football championship game. That's why the pac needs Utah and Utah really would benefit from going. As a cougar fan you can't fault them. It's a no brainer. Good Luck to the Utes (I'm sincere).

Oregonian

Living in PAC-10 land, I have to scratch my head a bit. We've just added arguably the worst athletic program in the Big 12 North and now the second best program in the state of Utah?

First, BYU is not a fit of the PAC-10. Can you imagine BYU playing at Cal, Stanford, and/or Oregon during another Prop 8 campaign? The PAC-10's diversity doesn't include Mormons. But this does go to the hypocrisy of the PAC-10.

Cultural fit? Colorado ranked last in athletic academics and was flirting with probation while BYU football's team had the highest number of academic all-americans in the country.

Academics? While Utah is a great university, the phrase "I went to BYU because I couldn't get into Utah" has never been uttered.

Athletic Facilities? BYU wins hands down.

Fan support? Utah couldn't sell its allotment of 12,500 to the biggest football game in their history (Sugar Bowl) while BYU fans had to enter in a lottery to get one of 17,500 tickets to Dallas to supposedly watch their team get creamed by Oklahoma.

PAC-10 hypocrisy



bostonblue

Utah will go PAC. The big question: Y? The reason(s) for expansion: MONEY? Add athletics, and even academics. A BIGGER Y??

MONEY:
BYU will always bring more MONEY than Utah! BYU has filled its 65,000 capacity most of the last 30 years. Utah has trouble filling its recently expanded 45,000--unless playing BYU! At UCLA, 40% of the fans were BYU fans. Same thing at Washington. In PAC country, that will always be the case. That won't happen EVER with Utah, let alone every game!

Utah Football was non-existent until Urban and a BYU PLAYER decided to coach there. Still, BYU controls the last 5 years!

Same TV market? Are you kidding?! BYU will always pull more viewers even in Utah. But, BYU has 7 Million North American Mormons! The BYU potential TV audience is one of the nation's largest. Utah will NEVER compete with MONEY.

ATHLETICS:
BYU: 30 years of a nationally recognized program, national championship, heisman, NFL MVPs, better facilities. Director's Cup #26.

Utah: Women's gymnastics, and a few years of football. Director's Cup #57.

ACADEMICS:
BYU undergrad, Business, Law superior.

So Y???

PAC-10 Bigotry. PERIOD.

BlueGoose

Why is everyone being so critical of Utah joining the Pac-10? It's just jealousy. They're going to get more money, join a BCS conference, be in a more competitive football league and fit in well with the other Pac-10 member institutions educationally. ESPN, the 800 pound gorilla in sports, will never give any of the MWC teams a break - it wants to teach the MWC a lesson for starting their own TV network, which by the way has been a flop. Boise State made a big mistake joining the MWC - we'll never be on national TV again. We should have stayed with the WAC.

dricha65

First, I am a BYU fan but I am happy for Utah's success. I hope they get the invite and play well in their new conference. I have really enjoyed watching Utah play with a chip on their shoulder especially when the odds are against them. I think they will do very well and it may show that the MWC is on par with the PAC10 due to the competitive and unpredictable BYU/Utah rivalry.

It will also be a little sad to see Utah leave the conference they helped build. I still hope for MWC success and for an auto bid in the BCS system.

bostonblue

Utah will go PAC. The big question: why? The reason(s) for expansion: MONEY? Add athletics, and even academics. A BIGGER WHY??

MONEY:
BYU will always bring more MONEY than Utah! BYU has filled its 65,000 capacity most of the last 30 years. Utah has trouble filling its recently expanded 45,000--unless playing BYU! At UCLA, 40% of the fans were BYU fans. Same thing at Washington. In PAC country, that will always be the case. That won't happen EVER with Utah, let alone every game!

Utah Football was non-existent until Urban and a BYU PLAYER decided to coach there. Still, BYU controls the last 5 years!

Same TV market? Are you kidding?! BYU will always pull more viewers even in Utah. But, BYU has 7 Million North American Mormons! The BYU potential TV audience is one of the nation's largest. Utah will NEVER compete with MONEY.

ATHLETICS:
BYU: 30 years of a nationally recognized program, national championship, heisman, NFL MVPs, better facilities. Director's Cup #26.

Utah: Women's gymnastics, and a few years of football. Director's Cup #57.

ACADEMICS:
BYU undergrad, Business, Law superior.

So WHY??

PAC-10 Bigotry. PERIOD.

JJL

As an alum of 2 Pac 10 schools, I don't agree with the move to expand the Pac for any school. The tradition, rivalry and competition is complete the way it is. Of course it is about the money and that is a shame for the fans. I would have much rather seen the MWC become an AQ BSC conference, especially with the addition of Boise State. As much as I hate to admit it, the top tier football programs of the new MWC have done very well against the Pac in the last 5 - 7 years.

Utah'95

As one who likes tradition, I'm not sure how I feel about Utah potentially leaving teams they have been competing against for decades.

While it's mostly about money, the Pac 10 considers other factors as well.

I'm sure religion plays a role in the Pac 10's not considering BYU. Even if it were limited to playing/not playing on Sunday, that would be a show-stopper. But don't be judgemental - you might be placing stumbling blocks in the path of your neighbors.

Utah and BYU don't have exactly the same academic goals. In the US News undergraduate rankings, BYU places higher than Utah. But when US News evaluates graduate schools, Utah, who has more graduate programs, ranks higher.

Yes, Baylor is a great academic/research school, but now that Texas and friends aren't going west, why would the Pac 10 travel to eastern Texas for only one team (that isn't named Texas)?

No matter what happens, BYU will continue to do well. They have a solid, well-rounded athletic program, and a large, loyal following. And if Utah stays, I look forward to them competing in an up and coming conference.

Jazzsmack


IT not going to happen.

WHY would the PAC want Utah?


They will annouce that they are continuing to look or will stand pat for now.

they obvioulsy want a team farther east than utah.

Samuel

Thank you LasVegasCoug @ 10:51,

I was about to make the same point when I saw your post.

For those of you who don't believe it google "Top U.S. Universities" The US news link will show.

"National Universities Rankings - Schools in the National Universities category, such as Yale and UCLA, offer a full range of undergraduate majors, master's, and doctoral degrees. These colleges also are committed to producing groundbreaking research."

BYU #71
Utah #126

To quote LasVegasCoug: "Just the facts Ma'am"

Kinda backs up all this bigotry talk don't ya think?

Good Luck Utes - if you go.

UteExpat

Hey bostonblue, please check your facts. Utah and BYU are tied in US News's most recent law school rankings.

But never let the facts get in the way of your point, right? I can name programs that are better at the U, but that isn't the point. We know why BYU wasn't considered, and I applaud BYU for maintaining what it is, even though it is a contraint on athletics. But Utah is no slouch, either, and you should be happy for us. I would be thrilled for BYU if the roles were reversed, even though I would be sad to see the league break up. I feel that way even now.

And before you say it, I am not too stupid/insufficiently LDS/etc. to get into BYU. I was accepted to BYU's undergrad and law schools, but chose Utah for undergrad and a school back east for law school. I like BYU, but I am very glad I made both decisions.

Good luck all.

So Cal Ute

I don't buy the argument that Utah should stay in the MWC because... let's suppose they did. The Big 12 will most likely need 2 more teams because you can't be the Big 12 and have 10 teams. Also, the Pac 10 would need another space filler. If Utah stays, then BYU and TCU would end up being invited to those conferences at some point. Before the MWC would have a chance to become a BCS conference, everyone would be gone... except Utah. That is why Utah needs to leave "if" they get an invite.

3xc3ption

@LasVegasCoug
sorry to burst your little bubble on BYU being ranked higher academically. when the "Academic Ranking of World Universities"(ARWU) has the Utes ranked #80 and BYU ranked #303. this website also gives national ranking. Utes #47, BYU #113-138 tied with 25 other schools for being ranked #113.

Moving on, there will always be room at the end of the season right before the PAC-10? championship game. Where BYU and Utah can continue their rivalry game every year. So stop your crying BYU fans. How bout you go and work for a game in the BCS championship. instead of relying on other schools to bring it to you. Sorry to sound hateful towards BYU. I do respect your university.

GO UTES!

Ricardo Carvalho

Congratulations to the Utes should this happen. As a Cougar fan I will readily admit to some jealousy as the Utes join some of the most historied names in college sports - USC in football and UCLA in basketball. On the other hand,it is shame to break up what is becoming a very good MWC at least in football with 4 top 25 teams including 2 in the top 10 as I recall. I, for, one think that Utah will do well in the PAC 10. The big difference in our conferences is that USC will probably always rule PAC 10 football if they can keep clean whereas the MWC has no dominant team. Otherwise, I would stack up the top 5 of the MWC (including Boise State and Air Force) against the top 5 of the PAC 10. I do think the MWC are weaker at the bottom. So, Utah will go from what should be 4 guaranteed wins at the bottom of the MWC to some tricky games at the bottom of the PAC 10. I, for one, will miss the rivalry as it will not have the same meaning even if we continue to playe each other.

Uteology

ATHLETICS:
BYU: 30 years of a nationally recognized program, national championship, heisman, NFL MVPs, better facilities. Director's Cup #26.

Utah: Women's gymnastics, and a few years of football. Director's Cup #57.

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I guss you were sleeping when your team was going 1-26 while Utah was playing in a NC game against Kentucky.

Look both schools have great academics but only one is in violation of academic freedom according to AAUP. Ans as one BYU fan said they don't care what AAUP thinks but I think the liberal PAC does.

Both schools have great good athletic programs but only one has done anything on the national stage since 1996.

BYU is a better fit in the Big 12 so let's hope they get picked up soon.

What's up?

Utah is GONE!!! The MWC is in a big hurt! They need to jump on Houston big time and see if they can get them interested. Boise State sooner or later will fold and all that means is that the MWC added a "Big Sky" type school to their conference. Nothing wrong with that, but who knows who the "next hot football team" will be? Not a good way to build a conference. GOOD LUCK!!

defibman

I will give this a couple of years and the mighty Utes will be crying in their pablum. I see them in the bottom three of the Pac-12. Some suggest that if they join their recruiting will improve. NOT SO. With all the changes in the conferences, it will become more important for the strong to get stronger. The Utes, playing in a much stronger conference will get beat-up often and wonder why they cannot compete with "the big boys". Mark my words Utes, it's all down hill from here. Enjoy your moment (1 maybe 2 years)then try to get use to being on the bottom and looking for another conference scramble.

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