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  • Oxy-Moroni
    June 16, 2010 4:51 p.m.

    I think this may be the beginning of the end for BYU sports. There’s just no way it can compete in the recruiting war when another school in the same media market is a member of a BCS elite conference. Wanna make a bet with me? I bet that within the next 5-7 years, after BYU is again shut out of the Big 12 expansion, after its losses to Utah mount in terms of record and the recruiting battles, and after a few more seasons of the Vegas Bowl while Utah goes to a couple of BCS bowls, possibly the Rose Bowl and a few Holiday Bowls, after frustrated fans drop their support and interest in watching BYU compete at the lowest levels of college sports, BYU will finally choose to discontinue it NCAA sports programs. The stadium can still be used for the 4th of July celebration and local high school football playoffs. Within the next decade, probably the only sports found at BYU will be intramural sports.

  • Big Hapa
    June 16, 2010 4:10 p.m.

    As a Utah Grad I am Happy for Utah. Change is good, the future is exciting and the new conferance will have its challenges but all in all I think Utah will be OK. Yep the Utes nolonger need to hate BYU of course other then simply wanting to hate BYU, that hate will always be the Red & Blue rivalary in or out of the MWC.

  • Oxy-Moroni
    June 16, 2010 4:08 p.m.

    I think this may be the beginning of the end for BYU sports. There’s just no way it can compete in the recruiting war when another school in the same media market is a member of a BCS elite conference. Wanna make a bet with me? I bet that within the next 5-7 years, after BYU is again shut out of the Big 12 expansion, after its losses to Utah mount in terms of record and the recruiting battles, and after a few more seasons of the crappy Vegas Bowl while Utah goes to a couple of BCS bowls, possibly the Rose Bowl and a few Holiday Bowls, after frustrated fans drop their support and interest in watching BYU compete at the lowest levels of college sports, BYU will finally choose to discontinue it NCAA sports programs. The stadium can still be used for the 4th of July celebration and local high school football playoffs. Within the next decade, probably the only sports found at BYU will be intramural sports.

  • Oxy-Moroni
    June 16, 2010 4:05 p.m.

    Utah’s much enhanced national and regional television exposure, plus the prestige of the Pac 10, will essentially guarantee it will win all recruiting battles with BYU. Those kids will objectively examine the situation and think to themselves:



    “I can play for Utah where NFL scouts will be able to actually see me play on NBC and ESPN every week, or I can play for BYU where NFL scouts can only see me if they subscribe to the MTN and if they can actually stand to watch the wobbly, grainy broadcast.



    “I can play for Utah where, if we work hard, we have a shot every year of playing for the national championship or in a BCS bowl. Or, I can play for BYU where, if we work hard, we can play for the MWC championship every year and go to the Vegas Bowl or the Armed Forces Bowl".

  • BSU
    June 16, 2010 3:55 p.m.


    Sadly, if this happens, Utah might get two of my favorite high profile HS players. BYU rejected my most favorite player after his mission and we talked him out of Utah. And that’s why I’m a Boise fan. Boise offered a scholarship but Utah offered his friend a scholarship (so did BYU but they messed up with his brother & they wanna play together).
    He's still on a mission so....?


    I went to BYU, Utah, and 2 others. There are a lot of good people everywhere, and I’m thankful for the experiences at both schools, but I have to admit that I transferred to BYU with a 4.0 and BYU kicked my hinny, and there was way too much hatred and bigotry and prideful false intellectualism at the "U," and I was very disappointed that my tax dollars were funding hatred for my people, and the destruction of good values and all that, but as far as football goes, I liked Utah, but think it would be good for Utah to go, especially if the Pac is bigoted enough to exclude BYU because it is a religious school. Utah might fit right in there : )....kidding.



  • PAC10_Fan
    June 16, 2010 2:26 p.m.

    Compared to existing PAC-10 schools, Utah fits in the middle of the road. As it is already, a large academic gulf separates the top of the PAC-10 (Cal, Stanford, UCLA, Washington) with the bottom (Arizona, Arizona State, Oregon State, Washington State). Utah fits in nicely beneath USC and above Oregon. While I'm not crazy about the Utes joining the PAC-10, I am thankful that it's not the Cougars.

  • Not So Good
    June 16, 2010 2:13 p.m.

    Re: Uteology,

    "Utah is expected to become the 12th member of the league, known as the Conference of Champions."

    There's no doubt that today's MWC is better than the Pac-10, in both Football, and Basketball. The Pac-10 may very well return to their former glory (even though USC's current status will only lengthen that recovery) but one thing's for sure, today Utah just bolted to a lesser conference. You might have more money but do the fans really care that the athletic department has more money, if that's all you've got? I bet Arizona and ASU fans are sure glad for all that extra Pac-10 money that's resulted in exactly diddly squat on the field.

  • Uteology
    June 16, 2010 1:36 p.m.

    RepresentBlue | 1:09 p.m. June 16, 2010
    That's fine with me. It will only awaken the slumbering giant down in Provo.

    ---------

    More like the “stumbling” giant down in “Provostan”:

    3-2 Vegas
    1-5 Big Dance



    But Congrts on the Sears Cup!!

  • yankee doodle
    June 16, 2010 1:31 p.m.

    ha ahaha, yeah right, us BYU fans are jealous of you Pootes. Wasn't it just last year that you same Poote fans were dissing the PAC-10 for being a worthless conference. Now all of a sudden its the greatest conference in the world and you are proud to be a part of it. What a joke. BYU will be fine without you. Its like when the whiny kid with snot always running out of his nose finally moves out of your neighborhood, ahhhh the peace.

  • Independent
    June 16, 2010 1:27 p.m.

    All this really means for BYU fans is that now in addition to the feeling of elation that comes with beating their rival, it will now be a win against a PAC 12 BCS AQ team, which will bolster their resume for a BCS bowl at the end of the season. Same goes for any other MWC team that happens to play and beat Utah.

  • Paul Revere
    June 16, 2010 1:25 p.m.

    To all of you Ute and Cougar fans who think a "possible" or "probable" invite for the University of Utah has anything to do with being a research institution, and BYU not getting an invite because it is not a research institution. You haven't been following the national lines. The current raiding of Conferences has more to do with football/BCS status than academics. Even basketball plays a minor role in the present Conference dealignments. One national columnist wrote that these moves are all about greed. It is too bad that football and basketball drive what a school does for its' entire academic and athletic program. What these moves are doing is driving out of business the smaller schools. Perhaps the Obama Administration should look into taxing the BCS in order to pay for health care and the Gulf clean up.

  • Alpine Coug
    June 16, 2010 1:23 p.m.

    re: stanfunky

    How about the other 4,000-5,000 BYU fans that bought our tickets directly from OU or off other ticket brokers. There was a conservative crowd of 20,000+ BYU fans in Dallas on that glorious day last September. Never forget floating out of Jerry Jones new Taj Mahal that late afternoon.

    Attended various BYU away games over the years at UCLA, Notre Dame, Wisconsin, Navy, Boston College, TCU, Rice, Tulsa, etc., etc. and have always been astounded by the sheer number of BYU fans-in some cases almost exceeding the home teams fans (ie. SMU at Cotton Bowl, Tulsa).

    It is a historical fact-BYU always travels well.

  • UtahUtes1
    June 16, 2010 1:12 p.m.

    @williary | 12:56 p.m. June 16, 2010

    Where did you find this information. ESPN is reporting only that the announcement is "immanent."

    I wanted to be the first to "kiss" the BYU fans good-bye. You beat me to it.

    Though I have to admit that there are a number of posts from BYU fans on this thread that are honest and totally first class.

    Then there are the others...

  • Uteology
    June 16, 2010 1:12 p.m.

    From SL Trib:

    Utah's move to the Pac-10 took another step forward Wednesday with the announcement that Utah's Board of Trustees will hold a public meeting Thursday at 12:30 p.m. on the 6th floor of Rice-Eccles Stadium.

    The only topic listed is 'Discussion of Athletic conference." Utah's Board of Trustees is expected to approve a departure from the Mountain West Conference to the Pac-10.

    Utah is expected to become the 12th member of the league, known as the Conference of Champions.

  • JohnJacobJingleHeimerSchmidt
    June 16, 2010 1:12 p.m.

    The MWC will never get a BCS Auto Qualifier with schools like Wyoming, Colorado State, New Mexico. Sorry BYU.

  • RepresentBlue
    June 16, 2010 1:09 p.m.

    If Utah does ditch BYU and the MWC for the PAC-whatever, it will only make BYU better. Just like being called "little brother" by Cougar fans during the 80's and 90's made Utah a better program. Never underestimate the power of envy. Utah is proof of that. Now it appears the tables have turned and it is Cougar fans turn to be little brother. That's fine with me. It will only awaken the slumbering giant down in Provo. BYU will still land big recruits, in-state and out. They already win recruiting battles with PAC-10 schools (Jake Heaps for example), that won't change because Utah is in the PAC-whatever. Utah will land better recruits, for sure, but BYU will continue to improve its recruiting as well. At the end of the day, the question of who is better will still have to be settled on the field, the way has for almost 100 years. It Ute fans are so excited to walk away from that kind of history and tradition then good riddance. The level of class of MWC fans will only benefit from it.

  • Johnny Triumph
    June 16, 2010 1:09 p.m.

    Good Riddance...Utah will be an also-ran in the Pac-12 and will have trouble ever getting back to the BCS.

    And good for SLC for gaining TV exposure to the Pac-12 market.

  • NorMans
    June 16, 2010 1:07 p.m.

    @Archie

    You're assumption is correct - I am LDS. And thank you for the self-righteous critique. That's like a drug addict telling others not to do drugs. In any event, I still hate the yewts and everything about them.

    Anyway, I live outside of Utah, and overwhelmingly a degree from BYU carries a lot more weight than one from Yewtah. I didn't graduate from BYU, so that's an unbiased statement. If my company received two applicants - one from BYU and another from Yewtah - the BYU grad gets the call for an interview rather than the one from Yewtah.

    The bottom line us that both schools have fantastic programs and fantastic athletic departments. However, any person with a mind has to realize that the religion does factor somewhat into the equation. Whether it's right or wrong doesn't matter - it is what it is.

    Now, can both sides act like the adults we are and move on with our lives? I'm just glad I live where legitimate football is played - Texas.

  • Buster
    June 16, 2010 1:02 p.m.

    UtahUtes1

    Serious. You brought in moms. You don't bring in moms. You took bottmfeeder smacktalk to a new low.

    I have apologized before. Maybe you should.

    Ben...

    Regarding you comment about meetings and press conferences.

    Nope, it's been really bugging me why the invite has taken so long.

    Now, I just assumed that all PAC-10 teams would continue sharing the payout equally.

    It just occured to me that maybe they offered Colorado and Utah payouts based upon results. Maybe Colorado was confident with their payplan, but maybe Chris Hill isn't.

    I'm thinking Hill has asked for more, and if there is a board of regents meeting, it's to approve a payout the Dr. Hill has asked for. The 1:00 press conference maybe to announce whether the Utes are going to the PAC-12... or not.

    Why else would the regents have to meet again? I'm sure the Utes have been cleared for the invite. But another meeting for the regents?

    Any other ideas out there.

  • Utefan1
    June 16, 2010 1:01 p.m.

    byu fans can continue to say all that they want but nothing that you say is going to change what is about to happen. If it makes you sleep better at night then please continue but it's not going to keep us out of the PAC-10 nor will it provide you an entrance to a superior conference. I wish the MWC the very best and I hope that the MWC is successful in the future. The PAC10 and MWC are the superior western conferences. Enough of this petty childish name calling. These boards are so tiring to read at times because it's pure hate and jealousy. Enough is enough!

  • MUSSing with U
    June 16, 2010 12:59 p.m.

    It wasn't "logic", Uteology, it was fact.

    I've attended every BYU game in the Las Vegas Bowl, as well as many other BYU bowl games, and I saw first-hand the moods of both teams entering the games.

    Oregon State was highly motivated against BYU, but BYU was also very motivated to atone for their loss to Arizona the previous year and the Cougars handled the horrible weather conditions much better than the Beavers and dominated the then #16 team in the country.

    Arizona fans was thrilled to be playing in their first bowl game in 9 years. BYU played with no emotion and it showed.


    btw,

    Only losers make excuses that wins don't count because the game was close or it was a "rebuilding" year. (See 3 of the last 4 BYU-Utah games.)

  • williary
    June 16, 2010 12:56 p.m.

    Press conference tomorrow at 1:00 at RES to officially accept an invite to the Pac-10.

    Go Utes!!

    Goodbye MWC! Goodbye Cougars!

  • stanfunky
    June 16, 2010 12:50 p.m.

    bostonblue | 12:51 a.m. June 16, 2010

    "BYU will always bring more MONEY than Utah! BYU has filled its 65,000 capacity most of the last 30 years. Utah has trouble filling its recently expanded 45,000--unless playing BYU! At UCLA, 40% of the fans were BYU fans..."

    Utah has had no problem drawing 40,000 fans, on average, the past decade. I'd hardly call that a problem in a 45,000 seat stadium.

    BYU's drawing power on the road isn't what you claim. For the 2009 Oklahoma game, only 15,000 Y Fans attended in Dallas, versus 65,000 Sooner fans. Tickets went on sale in January 2009, 7 months prior to the game. Meanwhile, the U sold over 16,000 tickets for the Sugar Bowl in New Orleans, a farther destination, during the worst of the recession, with only a month's notice.

    "Utah Football was non-existent until Urban and a BYU PLAYER decided to coach there. Still, BYU controls the last 5 years!"

    The last twenty meetings, the series is 10-10. Hardly dominance by either side. Overall it's 53-34, with 4 ties in favor of the Utes.

  • UtahUtes1
    June 16, 2010 12:46 p.m.

    @Alterego | 12:37 p.m. June 16, 2010

    We wouldn't have it any other way. Your own mothers come in second place in your hearts next to BYU.

  • UtahUtes1
    June 16, 2010 12:44 p.m.

    @MUSSing with U | 12:00 p.m. June 16, 2010

    "The more BYU fans shed light on Utah's real prospects in the PAC 12, the tighter Utah fans close their eyes."

    Like BYU fans have some insiders knowledge about Utah's prospects, including and especially you.

    Whose closing their eyes? I don't understand why you are so concerned about Utah's win/loss record in the PAC. You talk like you are a concerned friend. This is really about you, isn't it...all about you.

    What could possibly be driving your feigned concern?? Hmmmmm, let me think...

  • MUSSing with U
    June 16, 2010 12:44 p.m.

    Don't shut those eyes too tightly Big_Ben.

    That BCS light at the end of the tunnel might just be the BYU train crushing Utah's hopes for a BCS championship game.

    If the BYU-Utah rivalry continues, after the still uncertain Utah move to the PAC 12, BYU should insist on the game being played the last Saturday in November, or not at all.

    What could be sweeter than an undefeated MWC champion BYU "upsetting" an undefeated PAC 12 champion Utah.

    Utah settles for their covetted first Rose Bowl.

    BYU earns an invitation to the BCS championship game.

    Of course, Utah fans would leave insisting that the Utes really won the game because BYU had to pull off another miraculous game-ending play.

    The Utes might make more money in the PAC 12, but they still won't be anymore competitive against the Cougars.

  • Big_Ben
    June 16, 2010 12:43 p.m.

    @ Alterego

    Its ok little brother, its ok. I know its hard, but please try to stay classy.

  • Uteology
    June 16, 2010 12:38 p.m.

    @MUSSing with U | 11:41 a.m. June 16, 2010

    Let me use your logic to make a point:

    ...a disheartened [OSU in 2009] team going through the motions [after losing the Civil for and Rose Bowl] playing a [BYU] team that was thrilled to be playing in the Las Vegas Bowl... after going 3 of 4.


    ONLY losers make excuses of "motivation".

  • Alterego
    June 16, 2010 12:37 p.m.

    Congratulations Utah and remember BYU is still THE football program in Utah and though you'll reap financial rewards as a member of the 12 PAC (apt name for your fans) you will always come in second in our hearts.

  • giantfan
    June 16, 2010 12:31 p.m.

    Re: Big_Ben,

    Call it jealousy, maybe it is. Truth be told, I don't want Utah to leave the conference, just like I wouldn't want BYU to leave for another conference without Utah. I think the two need each other. I think both schools are where they are in the CFB landscape today because of each other and the interest they've created in Utah and beyond because of the rivalry. I still think both BYU and Utah's best interest is to stay in the MWC and work to see BCS AQ come to fruition where they can both be the top dogs, instead of in a Pac-12 where you compete regularly with other, more storied, athletic programs.

  • Big_Ben
    June 16, 2010 12:29 p.m.

    1280 the zone has reported a board of regents meeting scheduled for 11:30 tomorrow. At 1, there is a press conference scheduled from the U. Gee, I wonder what they are going to announce?

  • Quince Orchard
    June 16, 2010 12:28 p.m.

    What-if Auburn met Oklahoma in 2004 BCS 'Ship?
    By Ryan Fowler, WhatIfSports dotcom

    Two was company and three was a crowd in the race for 2004 BCS National Championship.

    At seasons end, and for the first time in the seven year history of the BCS, three college football programs wrapped up the regular season undefeated.

    Ruh-roh raggy! Now what?

    USC, Auburn and Oklahoma were all competing in an intense round of musical BCS berths. When the music faded out in early December 2004, Auburn was left without a chair.

    USC has yet to be cleansed of its sanctions.

    Hit the fast-forward button five years later, USC is about to take a seat again: in the NCAA timeout chair.

    After so many seasons riding free and easy on their high Trojan horse, the USC football program got smacked with severe sanctions by the NCAA on Thursday.

    The punishments include a reduction in scholarships, a two year ban from any post-season bowl games and forfeiture of wins from the 2004 season.

    A college football simulated Auburn versus Oklahoma 1001 times.

    The Sooners dominated the 1001 simulations, winning by an average of nearly 10 points a game.

  • Big_Ben
    June 16, 2010 12:06 p.m.

    I love it! Bring the hate! The more I hear from BYU fans, the more I like Utah's situation. The more these boards get filled up, the more I can tell that our little brother is jealous and bitter about what still is only rumor.

  • MUSSing with U
    June 16, 2010 12:00 p.m.

    In 1993, Arizona finished #10/#9, 10-2, losing @UCLA and @California, and ended up playing in the Fiesta Bowl (not a BCS bowl then) with no PAC 10 championship.

    In 1998, Arizona finished #4/#4, 12-1, losing one game all season, to UCLA, and ended up playing in the Holiday Bowl with no PAC 10 championship.

    Arizona's very best seasons since leaving the WAC STILL didn't result in a PAC 10 championship or Rose Bowl appearance, and Arizona didn't even come close to winning a national championship.

    The more BYU fans shed light on Utah's real prospects in the PAC 12, the tighter Utah fans close their eyes.

  • rlsintx
    June 16, 2010 11:59 a.m.

    The really big news in all this is conference switheroo is that BSU gets a better playing environment, and they're headed places if they can keep it up... I remember ASU and UofA moving to the PAC from the (then) WAC - they were going to dominate the PAC, yadda yadda yadda... and reality ? not so much........and it's been a good 30 years now to get themselves established, maybe it'll still happen - who knows ?

    Good luck to the U regardless of conference, and good luck to BYU against BSU - they're just as worthy an opponent at present as the U...

  • Last Stand
    June 16, 2010 11:52 a.m.

    Have a nice trip to oblivian, Utah! Let's see who's the next team from the state to go BCS Bowling now!

  • Archie
    June 16, 2010 11:50 a.m.

    @Richard | 11:36 a.m. June 16, 2010

    You sure have a lot of opinions...are you my father-in-law?

    @Bugoff | 11:34 a.m. June 16, 2010
    You forget that most (about 50%) of the women who enter BYU don't graduate. A statistic like that is a blemish for most institutions. Yeah, we all know what happens to BYU co-eds. Another reason that the high ACT scores don't tell the whole story.

  • RE
    June 16, 2010 11:50 a.m.

    I wonder how recruiting has been been an with the cellar teams of the Pac-10 including CU? Why can't they seem to pick it up?

    Recruiting is a non-issue, so let's not pretend. BYU,Utah, TCU, Boise St have done a great job recruiting from Pac 10 hunting grounds.

  • JohnJacobJingleHeimerSchmidt
    June 16, 2010 11:49 a.m.

    I am LDS but I am not a BYU fan but I understand the standards they wish to abide by. Because of that, Sunday play is a factor so I respect that BYU doesn't want to do this. That being said, live by the sword, die by the sword in a SECULAR college football landscape. No conference is obligated to believe what we believe about SUndays.

  • MUSSing with U
    June 16, 2010 11:47 a.m.

    It's laughable how blind Utah fans are about the very real possibility that the Utes could end up being middle-of-the-pack also rans in the PAC.

  • MUSSing with U
    June 16, 2010 11:41 a.m.

    I remember BYU beating Arizona 20-7 just a year earlier, in 2007 and a disheartened BYU team going through the motions playing an Arizona team that was thrilled to be playing in the Las Vegas Bowl because it was their first bowl game in nine years.

    Arizona and Arizona State have been in the PAC 10 THIRTY years, since 1979

    PAC 10 Championships and Rose Bowl appearances

    Arizona - ZERO
    Ariz St - two

  • Richard
    June 16, 2010 11:36 a.m.

    wow!

    alright so the money is better what else you got. U got in for what the U is not.

    Now facts are facts The Pac 10 isn't a better football conference now or with Utah #3 in the MWC now # 4 with BSU on board. So make your point. You get more money. The MWC needs to make a national splash unfortunatly I just don't see the money without the TV markets.

    Make a list

    USC - TCU Nod USC in 3 years.
    Oregon - BSU nod BSU
    UCLA - BYU Nod BYU (I'm a homer)
    OSU - Utah Nod Utah
    Cal - AF Nod CAL
    STAN- NM wash
    ASU - CSU wash
    AU - UNLV nod AU
    UW - SDSU nod anybody but UW
    CO - wy wash and that speaks to how bad wy is
    WS- nobody Nod nobody

    last point I would love to play Utah after 11-0 pac? season in late Nov and ruin that NC shot. BYU could go 1-11 and I would become a lifer in the cougar club.

    Go cougs. Utes GO!

  • Bugoff
    June 16, 2010 11:34 a.m.

    If you look at average GPA and ACT/SAT scores of incoming freshman then BYU is an elite academic school and better than UofU.

    If you look at graduate programs then UofU is the stronger academic school. BYU has fewer grad programs but the few they have a highly rated.

  • Uteology
    June 16, 2010 11:31 a.m.

    Rockwell | 11:02 a.m. June 16, 2010
    Utah is MUCH more likely to be the next Arizona in the PAC 12 than they are to be the next USC.

    Put your sanctimonious "jealousy" barbs aside and wake up and smell the coffee.


    -------------

    If Utah recruits and develops NFL talent like Arizona they will play like Arizona.

    If Utah recruits and develops NLF talent like Oregon they will play like Oregon.

    NLF players developed under KW: 19
    During the same time: UofA 9 and Oregon 21


    History is irrlavent, see Florida pre Urban. Now please tell me why I am wrong.

  • BYUFAM1
    June 16, 2010 11:25 a.m.

    becausewearebetter | 11:05 a.m. June 16, 2010
    @BYUFAM1 BYU has always had a great local athletics program... But they have never been able to finish on the big stage very well. You did not include in all your flowery stats BYU's bowl win/loss percentage or NCAA tournament win/loss percentage, which are both abysmal. Yes, BYU can win games, but not when it really matters.
    __________

    Reminds me of the story of the man throwing star fish back into the ocean that washed a shore and someone telling him he could never possibly make a difference as there thousands on the beach. As he tossed one back into the water he replied "it made a difference to that one".

    Shouldn't it matter every time the whistle blows? In fact it does matter who every time who won/lost that is why they keep records of the event.

    BYU has historically been to almost twice as many bowl games as Utah - most often as the conf champ while Utah usually goes as the 3-5 place team which means weaker bowl opponent (BCS and 1 of your MWC title years aside). This has an impact on results.

  • Chris B
    June 16, 2010 11:24 a.m.

    GoUtah,

    Did you studder?

  • scenic view
    June 16, 2010 11:23 a.m.

    Be careful Utah fans, you're really going to look like fools if Utah is left sitting by the phone on a Friday waiting for a call from that cute beach boy...

    and the phone never rings!

    At any rate, it's fun watching the Utes, in their moment of triumph, still agonizing that it could still be nothing but a pipe dream.

  • kevo
    June 16, 2010 11:21 a.m.

    ...one. (forgot to write that last word there in my last comment, heh heh)

  • Big_Ben
    June 16, 2010 11:20 a.m.

    amen to kevo, great point.

  • PAC Member
    June 16, 2010 11:20 a.m.

    As a Utah fan, I'm shocked that the TDS is not going to the Big 12. It really surprises me that they're not getting the invite given their big stadium and 26 year old NC. Oh well . . .

    Congrats to the Utes. I guess the past 10 years of Utah's national exposure with two BCS bowl wins is better than a big stadium and an old NC.

  • Big_Ben
    June 16, 2010 11:19 a.m.

    A couple things:

    1. Fiddler @ 10:32. Pure genious. Even as a ute fan, that was sweet. You are the man!

    2. The more I see BYU trying to downplay this, or try to make their case to be included, or talk about bad utah will be, or any other smack talk, the better I feel about where Utah is headed, it shows me that the cougs are shaking in their boots.

  • utwingnut
    June 16, 2010 11:17 a.m.

    Utah to the PAC-10 is like putting lipstick on a pig.

  • Uteology
    June 16, 2010 11:17 a.m.

    @BUYFAM1
    But if that is what it takes for you to back into a national championship then celebrate. It seems weak to me to back in on a penalized team 5 years later.

    ------------

    Yet you have no problem claiming a victory over USC"

    "Soon the record books will likely change to show BYU as 11-6 as USC may lose 2 years worth of wins (03-04)."



    I wasn't celebrating 2004 NC, what I was being was sarcastic.

  • TheCanuck
    June 16, 2010 11:15 a.m.

    @raptor,

    I remember that also ran AZ team beating a supposedly superior and favored BYU team in the Vegas bowl just recently.

    LOL!

  • kevo
    June 16, 2010 11:12 a.m.

    i think i would cheer for the Utes a lot more if they weren't in the same conference as BYU, I've always liked them anyway, just not as much as the Cougars. I guess we'll see what happens

    This also might make the "Holy War" a little bit more mature for fans on both sides. I for one would like to see tensions calm down between the schools and fans during football season, and I don't think i'm the only.

  • raptor
    June 16, 2010 11:06 a.m.

    Many of you are not old enough to remember how Arizona and ASU used to dominate the WAC. They made the move to the PAC 8 making it the PAC 10. Since then they've been a mere after thought in the national football landscape. Hope you enjoy the money, we'll see how much you enjoy being an "also ran" a few years from now.

  • becausewearebetter
    June 16, 2010 11:05 a.m.

    @BYUFAM1 BYU has always had a great local athletics program... But they have never been able to finish on the big stage very well. You did not include in all your flowery stats BYU's bowl win/loss percentage or NCAA tournament win/loss percentage, which are both abysmal. Yes, BYU can win games, but not when it really matters.

  • RSL1
    June 16, 2010 11:03 a.m.

    Why would anyone be proud Utah is gong to the PAC10? They are turning their backs on a conference that is on the verge of automatic BCS status. The underdogs are about to have their day and Utah is going to leave? This will possibly give the BCS an excuse to not award the automatic bid. They should not sell out to the highest bidder. If Utah stays and the MWC becomes a BCS league they will not make that much less money. Utah has the chance to keep the MWC the true contender it has become. However, like everyone they will probably stand up for what is financially beneficial. The other schools TCU, BYU, and BSU should be visiting Utah and trying to convince them to stay.

  • Rockwell
    June 16, 2010 11:02 a.m.

    Actually, Big_Ben, I just think Utah will be shooting themselves in the foot for a bigger paycheck.

    More money - yes
    More exposure - yes
    More prestigious conference - yes

    Better chance of playing in a BCS game - no
    Better chance of winning a NC - no
    Better chance of finishing in the Top 25 - no

    Bottom line - Utah will be trading wins for money, with worse prospects for what should be the most important goals of any major football school

    Winning a National Championship
    Winning a Conference Championship
    Playing in a BCS Bowl
    Finishing as high as possible in the Top 25

    Utah is MUCH more likely to be the next Arizona in the PAC 12 than they are to be the next USC.

    Put your sanctimonious "jealousy" barbs aside and wake up and smell the coffee.

  • Uteology
    June 16, 2010 10:55 a.m.

    AZguy | 9:27 a.m. June 16, 2010

    So what, having one guy mention BYU history. Here let me try to counter from SportingNews writers, notice no mention of BYU history yet BcS wins:


    The Utes make sense geographically for the Pac-10, and they are strong in football, having won BCS bowl games in two of the past six seasons. Located in Salt Lake City, Utah would bring the Pac-10 the nation's 31st-largest TV market. Plus, Utah is a public institution, like nine of the 11 current Pac-10 teams.

    The same can't be said for Utah's archrival, BYU, which wasn't seriously considered in Pac-10 expansion talks, according to the Salt Lake Tribune. When the conference was still considering Big 12 schools, there reportedly was reluctance to add Baylor because of its ties to the Baptist Church. So BYU's affiliation with the Mormon Church may have hurt its cause, as well.



    PAC-X is not a good fit for BYU, personally I think the bible belt Big 12.

  • GoUtah
    June 16, 2010 10:53 a.m.

    Congrats to Utah! Looking forward to great things.

  • GoUtah
    June 16, 2010 10:51 a.m.

    Congrats to Utah! Looking forward to great things.

  • Hellooo
    June 16, 2010 10:49 a.m.

    Utah will be a very good fit for the PAC 10. Good luck. Hope it turns out better for you than the Arizona schools. Just over 30 years ago Arizona, with the dominant football team in the old WAC along with its weaker football rival Arizona State moved to the PAC-10. They have never been dominant since. Although the basketball program did become dominant for most of the 90's. From a fans standpoint, I hate seeing us lose most of the time with only occasional big win seasons. Guess it makes sense for the budget and the media boys. But, I know the stadiums are not as full or excited as they were in the old WAC.

  • AZguy
    June 16, 2010 10:49 a.m.

    @Archie

    Your experience is yours alone and cannot be applied generally. I have two young BYU grads working for me that are head and shoulders above others at their pay grade. I have another Colorado State grad in the same boat. That is my experience. 10 of 40 up and comers in my region are BYU grads, far surpassing any other university.

    That being said, programs at Utah State and Colorado State mop the floor with BYU's and Utah's program in my field. Different programs and individuals yield different results. I think all of these schools are fine institutions.

    I emphasize each individual and what they do with their degree as opposed to where they graduated from. We have Ivy Leaguer's and put them next to the BYU, ASU, and Cal Poly guys and say 'prove your worth.'

  • BYUFAM1
    June 16, 2010 10:48 a.m.

    Uteology | 9:56 a.m. June 16, 2010
    @BYUFAM1 | 9:18 a.m. June 16, 2010

    Soon the record books will likely change to show BYU as 11-6 as USC may lose 2 years worth of wins (03-04).

    ----------------------

    :) Are you serious?

    Does that mean the record books will now show that the only undefeated teams Auborn and Utah as BcS co-champions?

    Yea baby!! Oh wait... never mind.

    __________

    If you've followed it you would know that the NCAA is recommending they vacate their wins in those seasons. The AP however has decided that they will not do a re-vote. I have not heard what the Coaches Poll will do, either way Utah finished 5th in that poll so even a revote likely wouldn't move you up to 1st. But if that is what it takes for you to back into a national championship then celebrate. It seems weak to me to back in on a penalized team 5 years later. I'd rather be ranked #1 for 3 weeks of the season and after all the bowls in all major polls to get a title, but to each their own.

  • Thlete
    June 16, 2010 10:42 a.m.

    I wonder if there is a delay in the invite while the Utes finalize some USC transfers of the juniors and seniors before the PAC transfer rule can be applied.

  • junkie
    June 16, 2010 10:42 a.m.

    @ Archie-

    "Ignorance is bliss" and your comments make you sound ignorant. BYU is a very reputable institution world-wide. We can act like a little kid, but most Ute fans (such as myself) will not deny the achievements and respect that BYU has. Many BYU students go on also and get Ivy League degrees, and have just as many top jobs as you claim yourself to have. Lets not forget that the main issue this entire expansion deal is about is TV's and who can appear on the most of them (Which equates to money). Kind of ironic that the TV came out of an educated BYU mind, but yet they are left behind.

    I do hope as a fan that the rivalry, if my Utes jump to the PAC-10, diminishes. Fierce rivalries are fun, its fun to poke fun of the hated, and its fun to talk smack or not like the hated. But this rivalry makes grown men sound like 7th graders. Maybe a few years away from each other will help us realize how much we miss each other. God help us the next 2 years if my Utes leave.

  • BYUFAM1
    June 16, 2010 10:40 a.m.

    Life in the MWC (1999-present)

    Utah - best decade ever - includes 2 greatest Ute seasons ever bar none

    56-26 conf record (+30)
    4 Conf titles
    4 Top 25 finishes
    4, 10+ win seasons (2 undefeated)
    Avg conf finish = 2.73

    BYU - maybe 3rd or 4th best decade - also includes 3 worst BYU seasons in 40+ years

    59-23 conf record (+36)
    4 Conf titles
    5 Top 25 finishes
    5, 10+ win seasons
    Avg conf finish = 2.73

    Seems evenly matched - congrats on the added BCS games and your best decade ever you have now reached a comparable level with your biggest rival in conference.

    Life since KW and BM hires

    Utah
    28-12 conf record (+16)
    1 Conf title
    2 top 25 finishes
    2, 10+ win seasons
    Avg conf finish = 2.8

    BYU
    34-6 conf record (+28)
    2 Conf titles
    4 top 25 finishes
    4, 10+ win seasons
    Avg conf finish = 1.8

    Those are just some facts on what you've accomplished amongst those that you likely will be leaving soon.

    BTW 8 of your new conf opponents have gone to a combined 15 BCS games they may not be impressed when you come to visit.

  • Cougs4Life
    June 16, 2010 10:36 a.m.

    "Day Three of Utah not being invited to the Pac 10!"

    I wouldn't be so sure an invite is coming. Pac 11 isn't interested in Utah for their 2 BCS wins, heavens, they took Colorado first didn't they? What have they won in the last 10 years? Past seasons don't matter. They really don't care about getting the "Salt Lake City TV Market" either, it's not worth that much to the future TV contract. What they really want is a Conference Championship Football game.

    It's interesting that there is so much talk about the old Big 12 petitioning to keep it's Championship game with only 10 schools. If that happens, don't you think that the Pac 11 could get approval too? If there is a possibility that they can get the Championship game and not share a cut with a 12th team, it means more money for everyone else.

    My prediction? The Pac 11 holds for now to see how the Championship issue plays out and then only adds Utah next summer if its required to get the game, that is the only value that they add right now.

  • Fiddler
    June 16, 2010 10:32 a.m.

    Archie:
    1st, How do you know NorMans is LDS?
    2nd, I have a hard time believing there are that many BYU grads delivering pizza and even then, I don't see why delivery drivers have to report to other delivery drivers.

  • Ken
    June 16, 2010 10:29 a.m.

    @ Archie 10:01

    You yewts can stop the holier than thou attitude. It's so funny to hear BYU fans be called self righteous and then to see the yewts criticize a byu fan for saying he/she hates the yewts.

    It's also pathetic when yewts are the ones to bring up the religion card. You yewts don't like it when religion gets brought up by byu fans the context of sports, so why bring it up?

    I disagree with a lot of things about the LDS church, but I frankly think it's pretty hypocritical when yewts bring up BYU and assume byu fans should act differently due to their religious affiliation. When this happens yewts are basically saying "God is ok with me being a jerk but you can't be a jerk because you go to a church schoool"

    Not sure that logic flies with God. Wouldn't you think he would want all people to act the same?

    I dislike both your schools, but I feel like the self righteousness is coming from up north these days.

  • Wiley Old School
    June 16, 2010 10:24 a.m.

    Hey Rockwell,
    You're wrong. Utah fans are excited about the opportunity to achieve a Rose Bowl berth. You'll find no "Rose Bowl Bound" t-shirts, no airport celebrations after starting the season 1-0. Nope, we're just excited to compete at a higher level... and we'll let play on the field determine any bowl bids. If Utah wins a Rose Bowl, I'll admit I'll then be among the first in line for a t-shirt.

    If Utah achieves 8-4 or 7-5 seasons, our consolation prize will be knowing that it still gets us a better bowl game than the Las Vegas bowl.

  • Big_Ben
    June 16, 2010 10:21 a.m.

    @ Rockwell

    it hurts pretty bad, we know. But dont worry, nothing is official yet. I know its rough for you, but keep your head up.

  • becausewearebetter
    June 16, 2010 10:20 a.m.

    I don't really understand how some of you BYU fans are scratching your heads saying "Why Utah and not BYU?"

    What has BYU athletics done in the past 15 years to gain NATIONAL attention besides win a few decent BCS teams during the regular football season and GOING to a few bowl games (but not winning a very high percentage of them), going to the NCAA second round once, and winning the MWC a few times in both basketball and football.

    What has Utah done? In the last 15 years, Utah has been to the NCAA second round 6 times, NCAA Sweet 16 three times, NCAA Elite Eight twice, and NCAA National Championships, busted into the BCS bowl system twice and won both times - once against a national powerhouse in Alabama, recruited Urban Meyer as head football coach - now a national football star and two-time national champion, and given birth to two #1 draft picks in two different sports...

    THAT's why Utah gets more national attention. THAT's why we are being talked about for the PAC-12 and not BYU.

  • Anti Bush-Obama
    June 16, 2010 10:16 a.m.

    The MWC will not get AQ status in a million years. College Football is all about money and greed. In the PAC-12, Utah's off week will be UCLA. In the MWC, it would be San Diego State. The competition in the MWC from the botton up is nowhere close to what it is in the PAC-12. Both of the conferences are structured pretty evenly at the top but a lowly PAC-12 team like Washington would totally dominate Wyoming. I think Boise and TCU will get invited to the Big-12 before BYU. But the Big-12 will be staying at 10 so this means the MWC and every team in the conference will fade into oblivion when it comes to football anyway.

  • RiddlesInTheDark
    June 16, 2010 10:13 a.m.

    Day 3

    ... of Utah not being contacted by the PAC 10.


  • Rockwell
    June 16, 2010 10:08 a.m.

    Utah's Quest to Mediocrity

    It's funny how Utah fans constantly poke fun at BYU's "Quest", but those same fan are now acting like Utah is going to step into the PAC 12 and play in the Rose Bowl for a national championship as soon as the big BCS bucks start flowing.

    That's never going to happen.

    It remains to be seen whether Utah will ever be anything more than a middle of the PAC team.

    8-4 and 7-5 seasons will become the norm for Utah.

    But at least the Utes will be rewarded with more money and a better bowl for their mediocrity.

    So, stop beating your chests and leave already.

    Welcome to Utah's Quest for Mediocrity!

  • Johnny Ace
    June 16, 2010 10:06 a.m.

    The fact is that this will kill the rivalry. Every indication is that BYU will NOT make any extra effort to schedule the Utes every year as one of their non-conference games. They're still a MWC team chasing an undefeated season. Why would you add a tough non-conference game with no upside (winning in SLC doesn't give you the same national exposure as playing in Austin, TX). Plus, don't think BYU won't take any chance to stick it to U for abandoning them. On the other side, if you have USC, AZ, ASU, Oregon, etc on your conference schedule, why schedule a trip to Provo on top of it?

  • DesertRat
    June 16, 2010 10:03 a.m.

    Utah would be crazy not to accept the deal . . . but it's sad that the reason to go to the PAC 10 is mostly about money. I dare say that an MWC which includes BSU, TCU, Utah, BYU and Air Force is on par with the PAC 10.

    Carry on Cougars . . . it's only football . . . (football with a lot of money attached . . . but a game nonetheless).

  • Archie
    June 16, 2010 10:01 a.m.

    @NorMans | 8:50 a.m. June 16, 2010

    "I hate the yewts and everything about them..."

    Nice! And a wonderful ambassador of the LDS faith you are.

    "Academically, BYU is as good, if not better, than most of the existing Pac 10 schools."

    Oh, now BYU is better than the PAC-10 schools.

    My wife went to BYU and now holds a PHd...earned at a institution outside of Utah. She laughs at these laudatory remarks about BYU's academics. Yes, certain areas at BYU are very good but good grief people, you are not what you like to portend to be. I have BYU graduates reporting to me...believe me, I know.

    I graduated from the University of Utah and have since earned a degree at an Ivy League school. I have to assume that BYU is only school the people making these comments have been to. You don't know know what you're talking about.

    Scott needs to get this over with, one way or another. Either take the U or announce a different strategy. You BYU people are going to look back at this and be ashamed of the way you are behaving.

  • Uteology
    June 16, 2010 9:56 a.m.

    @BYUFAM1 | 9:18 a.m. June 16, 2010

    Soon the record books will likely change to show BYU as 11-6 as USC may lose 2 years worth of wins (03-04).

    ----------------------

    :) Are you serious?

    Does that mean the record books will now show that the only undefeated teams Auborn and Utah as BcS co-champions?

    Yea baby!! Oh wait... never mind.

  • UtahUtes1
    June 16, 2010 9:47 a.m.

    Yeah, I wish Utah had BYU's church membership as a fan base and BYU would like to have Utah's research revenue. Imagine what we could do together.

    Instead, we fight like a twin brother and sister.

    Give it a rest, people. Let this thing play out.

  • Big_Ben
    June 16, 2010 9:38 a.m.

    AZguy-the "nation" is not represented by some guy writing for a paer in Arizona....

  • hedgehog
    June 16, 2010 9:37 a.m.

    ESPN has just confirmed the Utes move to the PAC10

  • Uteology
    June 16, 2010 9:37 a.m.

    Bugoff | 9:08 a.m. June 16, 2010
    Since Utah has twice as many NFL draftees as BYU (in recent years), you can say that BYU has over achieved and Utah has underperformed since their records are similar.

    ---------------

    Not so, winning 10+ games and going to 3-2 Vegas is not "over achievement".

    BYU recruiting classes have been ranked higher than the Utes. But it seems KW does a better job of building NFL talent.

    Those NFL draftees lead their Ute teams to #2 and #4 finishes (four top 25 overall). BYU playing in Vegas doesn't even come close, it hasn't finished in the top 10 since 1996.

  • Big_Ben
    June 16, 2010 9:34 a.m.

    @ AZguy

    I disagree. I am not saying Utah will go undefeated every year, or that it will happen often. Heck, it wont even happen once a decade. But NEVER underestimate Kyle whittingham. Just ask Nick Saban.

    @ Bugoff

    Hilarious post. Please enlighten us as to what AZ, ASU, Cal, and UCLA have done to make you believe that they will "probably beat Utah more often than not"

  • BYUFAM1
    June 16, 2010 9:31 a.m.

    Utah's record vs PAC-11 schools since the inception of the MWC:

    Arizona2-2
    California 2-1
    Oregon1-2
    Oregon State 1-1
    UCLA 1-1
    USC 1-0
    Washington State 1-1
    Overall 9-8

    BYU's record vs PAC-11 schools since the inception of the MWC:

    Arizona1-2
    California 2-1
    Oregon 1-0
    Oregon State 1-0
    Stanford 0-2
    UCLA 2-1
    USC 0-2
    Washington 2-0
    Overall 9-8

  • FireInside
    June 16, 2010 9:30 a.m.

    I despise the yewts, but I'm very interested to see how this all plays out. If yewtah does join the Pac-12, the first few years are going to be critical. If the yewts fall falt those first few years and end up middle of the pack with 6, 7 win seasons....things could certainly get ugly. It's a fact of football, if you don't have a winnig program, the fans won't come out. I remember what RES was like before Urban and KW came along.....more empty seats than filled ones. BYU went throught teh same during the Crowton years. I remember several games at LES that only 2/3 of the stadium was filled. Every team faces it...you lose and the fans stay home. If yewtah gets into that rut of mediocre seasons, it's going to be rough to dig out of it. Attendance will go down, recruiting will be harder and the program will lose the success it's had the last 6-7 years. If they can keep up their success, they could be a player in the PAC-12..so it'll be interesting.

  • AZguy
    June 16, 2010 9:27 a.m.

    This came from the Arizona Daily Star (Tucson)....

    "The Pac-10 can use a bump in glamour, and especially one at the bank, but I don't see how Colorado or Utah can help either. I'm aware of the negative variables and politics about adding BYU, but the Cougars have a history, a brand and a presence that neither Utah nor Colorado can touch....

    The most famous man in the history of Utah sports is Rick Majerus. Big dude. Lived in a hotel. Told lots of funny stories. If Utah enters the Pac-10, can it arrange to get Majerus back?"

    As a Y fan, this is not a Ute bash. It is a reflection of how the NATION (as someone put it yesterday) views you. He did not bring up the 2 BCS wins and perfect seasons. It will take longer for the nation to view the U as a football powerhouse.

    Basketball is a perfect example, everyone remembers RM and thinks the U is still a power U really is at .500. It will take a longer to develop a football resume.

    I am happy for U, but you will not be Oregon in 2012.

  • hedgehog
    June 16, 2010 9:27 a.m.

    "Utah's recruiting should be helped mostly out of state. But BYU will be forced to be more national in their recruiting which is good."
    Bugoff,

    I agree that Utah out of state recruiting will spike. But I was speaking directly about Utah vs. BYU head to head recruiting. The majority of the instate LDS kids will now choose Utah. The few of the big names BYU lost to BCS teams in the past will now select UTAH.

    All signs point that within a few years BYU athletics will become marginalized

  • BYUFAM1
    June 16, 2010 9:18 a.m.

    Some Utah fans have stated that they deserve the PAC invite because they have played and beaten more PAC schools consitently over the last 10 years (life of the MWC). The following are the facts.

    Utah vs PAC-11 (including CU) = 9-8 (played 7/11 teams)
    BYU vs PAC-11 = 9-8 (played 8/11 teams)

    Soon the record books will likely change to show BYU as 11-6 as USC may lose 2 years worth of wins (03-04).

    Regardless of the USC issue it looks like things are very similar.

    Neither team has played CU or ASU.

    Utah has not played Stanford or Wash.

    BYU has not played Wash St.

    Utah is undefeated against only USC (Las Vegas Bowl 2001).

    BYU is undefeated against Oregon, Oregon St and Wash.

    Utah has a losing record to Oregon (1-2).

    BYU has a losing record to AZ (1-2), Stanford (0-2) and USC (0-2).

    Likely division rivals (UW/WSU/OU/OSU/CU) Utah = 3-4; BYU vs same group 4-0.

    Utah may hope for a division (USC/UCLA/AZ/ASU/CU) where they are 4-3.

    Just facts-doesn't change likely selection-just facts.

  • dakuwaqa
    June 16, 2010 9:17 a.m.

    Isn't it ironic that the very BCS conferences that play weak OOC schedules and are highly overrated, are the very group of teams that both BYU and UofU want to dance with.

    It's just a short matter of time when the U schedules Nevada, Idaho, and Eastern WA as their OOC games...because their conf schedule is sooooo demanding.

    Outside of USC and occasionally Oregon, the pac10 in football is pretty weak. We all know money talks, and BYU, or any other western univiersity would love the opportunity for more revenue.

    It just seems ironic that the U will become the very thing they've mocked the past several years.

  • Uteology
    June 16, 2010 9:13 a.m.

    sammyg | 7:40 a.m. June 16, 2010
    Ha Ha! I knew some Ute would bite at the chance to comment on my message about Utah and BYU playing at Vegas a little more often!

    -------------

    If you need someone to talk to you try getting out of your parents basement its not healthy for a 33 year old BYU undergrad.

    As far as Vegas BYU IS the poster boy for the MWC, so I guess you are speaking from experience.

    Why compete for BcS game when in the PAC-X we have a much better opportunity to compete for the national title?



  • Bugoff
    June 16, 2010 9:08 a.m.

    Hedge you are making some assumptions that may or may not hold in the future. In the recent past it has worked just the opposite. BYU wins over Utah did nothing and a loss caused a big poll drop.

    It is reasonable to assume that Utah will beat CO and WSU with some regularity. They have demonstrated they can win 1/2 of the time against OR and ORState and WA and Stanford are probably similar. CAL, USC and UCLA and maybe AZ and ASU will probably beat Utah more often than not.

    Depending on how the Divisions break Utah has a reasonable probability of getting into a Rose Bowl in the next 5 years with 3-5 losses.

    Playing BYU is an extra loss that Utah can not afford. So running from decent competition is smart in someways.

    Utah's recruiting should be helped mostly out of state. But BYU will be forced to be more national in their recruiting which is good.

    Since Utah has twice as many NFL draftees as BYU (in recent years), you can say that BYU has over achieved and Utah has underperformed since their records are similar.

  • AZguy
    June 16, 2010 9:06 a.m.

    I have to say, the news reports are interesting.

    Bottom line is that if the U is asked to go, you all will go in a heart beat. Who wouldn't? I hold no grudge for you going and wish you success, but the reality is there will be no more undefeated seasons.

    I hope that many of the 'so-called' BYU fans that say the U will come back to the MWC begging to be included are really U folks posing as Y folks. Y fans can't really be that stupid. it is either posers or 16 year olds. Washington State is not begging to be in the WAC with it's neighbor the Idaho Vandals. The PAC-10 conference is a dream conference for the U and the Y.

    If the Y played on Sunday, they would have been in teh PAC 10 over 15 years ago. Too bad for us. That is life.

  • Speed_Altitude
    June 16, 2010 9:06 a.m.

    Let's see . . . . . . even if Utah is the fifth best team in the PAC-1x they will play in the Vegas bowl. How's that for respect for the MWC. I'm just wondering how come Craig Thompson is still the commissioner of the MWC. He kills TV exposure and we have bowl alignments like that mentioned above. I'd have to happily say good-bye to the MWC. Miss the teams but dislike the management.

    Also, recently there was an article about the amount of money that students subsidize athletics in the MWC being around $700.00. In the PAC-1x I would expect this number to go down. This is another strong argument to joining the PAC.

  • Chris B
    June 16, 2010 8:53 a.m.

    IT'S HAPPENING. Everyone knows it. I don't know why everyone is making such a big deal about the timing of this thing. We all know it's going to happen sometime in the next day or so, what's the difference WHEN it happens?

    The only thing that matters is that we're finally going to a real conference, and just as awesome is that since BSU has joined the MWC, I can look forward to at least another beatdown suffered by TDS every year.

  • NorMans
    June 16, 2010 8:50 a.m.

    I hate the yewts and everything about them, but certainly don't fault them for accepting a Pac 10 invitation (assuming it's inevitable). However, there is some kegitimacy to the anti-BYU argument, but I think it's more related to BYU being a religious institution than a Mormon school - the Pac 10 didn't want Baylor either.

    Academically, BYU is as good, if not better, than most of the existing Pac 10 schools. And in dollars generated, BYU makes more $$ than the yewts (bigger stadium and larger national following). So, if it were solely about academics and dollars, BYU wins (granted, the UofU does have a great medical school).

    It's a bummer that the rivalry will die, but the yewts can still help out their brethren in the MWC - the MWC is slated to become a BCS conference in 2012, which is the same year CO will join the Pac. The yewts can still help the MWC become a BCS conference if they're ranked the next two seasons. So, while it's a bummer the yewts are leaving now, it's likely the MWC will become a BCS conf as well.

  • Riot Man
    June 16, 2010 8:48 a.m.

    Obviously there is jealousy involved with the BYU fans' rants. It goes without saying. But some Utah fan made some point of saying out USC, UCLA, Cal and so on would be making their trek to the U every other year, and to that, it begs the question, does it really matter who plays in that stadium if nobody is there to see it?

    Do you really think that joining the Pac is going to change your miserable attendance? It might give you a little upsurge in the beginning, but then it will go right back down to where it's always been. Then when they start losing again, as everyone knows they will, their fans will stop coming altogether and the stadium will be a ghost town, again.

    At least when you were playing patsies quite a bit, it made your fans feel better about your team, and they came out every once in awhile. You can kiss that goodbye from now on, and those bandwagon hoppers will be gone for good.

  • Big_Ben
    June 16, 2010 8:45 a.m.

    Hans Olsen on 1280 just announced he recieved a call saying that the Utah to the pac-10 deal is "Rock Solid" his source expects it to happen today.

    I am not going to go that far. I think it will happen, but it might not. And the pac-10 has time on its side. So I dont think anything can be read into the fact that the invite has not come yet.

    Be patient.........

  • hedgehog
    June 16, 2010 8:42 a.m.

    I for one will miss our real rivalry with TCU and potential rivalry with BSU. As far as BYU? I think Utah needs to think long and hard about the viability of keeping this game. From a strategic perpective it really only helps BYU.

    Pros for BYU
    1.Get to play a BCS team ever year
    2.Increase SOS
    3.Would always have the nothing to lose underdog edge

    Cons for Utah
    1.Play a decent Non AQ team with a low SOS — If you win it’s expected.
    2.If you lose you take a beating in the polls
    3.Playing BYU will not affect instate recruiting — Utah will Dominate regardless.

  • Bugoff
    June 16, 2010 8:41 a.m.

    Look on the bright side. If University of Utah joins the BCS the legislature can cut their budget by about 10 million each year and save the tax payers some money. Since the PAC12 will be subsidizing the U they can afford the cut.

    That should cheer up the Tea Party at least.

  • cval
    June 16, 2010 8:14 a.m.

    Lotta chicken counting going on here.

  • MUSSDad
    June 16, 2010 8:10 a.m.

    The rankings that you look at in USA Today are not based strictly on academics and are easily manipulated. If the true picture of what BYU is doing academically is distorted, how can progress made by BYU be monitored and appreciated?

    I wish the University of Utah well in the decisions being made and hope for an outcome that will be best for the University and the State of Utah. I also wish to express confidence that both BYU and Utah will end up where they should be and do well. We don't know where that is but things happen for a reason. Perhaps all this needless bickering will finally come to an end.

  • MUSSDad
    June 16, 2010 8:04 a.m.

    I recently had a mother of a return missionary approach me at church (I do not live in Utah) and tell me that her daughter was headed to BYU. She told me that her daughter wanted obtain a minor in the foreign language she spoke while she as on her mission.

    She went on to explain to me that BYU told her because a language minor does not relate to her chosen major, she will not be able to work toward the minor.

    Last summer, a couple of young men I had in my Teacher's Quorum returned from BYU and told me that they enjoyed the experience they were having at BYU but that they were being pushed to finish their major and get out.

    You people must realize that because of two year missions, BYU is in a tough spot. To favorably meet criteria used in rankings such as USA Today, students need to graduate in a certain time.

    BYU is trying to ensure that they meet those criteria. A number of years ago, USA Today included females graduated as a criteria in their study. BYU fared horribly in the ranking until that criteria was removed.

  • zuma84015
    June 16, 2010 7:49 a.m.

    If i had the choice between playing san diego st and wyoming and new mexico and unlv or UCLA USC ARIZONA ST STANFORD OR WASHINGTON ON A WEEKLY BASIS I would be mad too if i was a cougar fan i will say this that i will miss the TCU games they have created a good rival with them but if your UTAH you have to go i see them winning 8 to 9 games a year go utes

  • Mo Knows Sports
    June 16, 2010 7:45 a.m.

    Nice, what's up. Why will Boise State fold again? They've been the best one of the better teams in the country for the past decade. They have had double-digit wins 7 of the last 10 years. The Utes have only had 4 such seasons. Both teams are 2-0 in BCS games. How can the MWC be in a "big hurt," as you put it, if they added a program at least as strong as the one that MIGHT BE leaving? The addition of Boise State was made to be able to protect the conference from being in a "big hurt" if one of the big three left. The MWC will be just fine, thanks.

  • sammyg
    June 16, 2010 7:40 a.m.

    Ha Ha! I knew some Ute would bite at the chance to comment on my message about Utah and BYU playing at Vegas a little more often!

    Utah in the PAC 12 will be the poster team for the Vegas bowl each year. Start the printing presses because that's where you'll be on a continual basis if you leave. A dream come true for a team that will always be hoping for a shot at the Nat'l Championship.

    You could get some more $ but I truly believe you are getting too caught up in the hype. Your best bet is to stay put and see your chances for BCS games through the improved status of the MWC with BSU to contend with. MWC to be an AQ BCS in a year or two Ute boys and girls.



  • BYUFAM1
    June 16, 2010 7:38 a.m.

    rvalens2 | 9:24 p.m. June 15, 2010
    "Okay BYU fans so Utah ends up in the middle of the PAC-12. So what...

    Just remember...its a VERY RICH middle of the PAC.

    And there isn't going to be anything sweeter than having USC, UCLA, CAL, et al coming to Rice Eccles Stadium even if it's only every other year.

    And no matter what happens I sure hope the Utes keep you on their schedule. I don't want to ever see the rivalry end. It's just too much fun..."

    The evolution of a Utah Fan (BYU Hater) - pretend you root for your team because you like them when you really just hate BYU - root for them because of the amount of money they bring in for doing nothing new (possibly with less success) - pretend you root for them when you are really in awe of and want to see/cheer their new opponents...seems odd, but it apparently is what make someone be considered a Utah fan.

    My appologies if this is considered a Utah only article to you-it has impact on the MWC so I read it and responded-major rarity...

  • MUSSDad
    June 16, 2010 7:38 a.m.

    @bostonblue | 12:51 a.m. June 16, 2010

    Good grief, did BYU invent the airplane too??

    "Utah Football was non-existent until Urban and a BYU PLAYER decided to coach there. Still, BYU controls the last 5 years!"

    Not true. Ron McBride and Fred Whittingham did it. Urban Myer and Kyle Whittingham sealed the deal. BYU has 3 of the last 5. Hardly control.

    "ATHLETICS:
    BYU: 30 years of a nationally recognized program, national championship, heisman, NFL MVPs, better facilities. Director's Cup #26."

    The Utes have done exceptionally well with the budget they have had to work with. you should pay a visit some time. 25 years ago BYU was nationally recognized...not so much now. Alabama just had its first Heisman Trophy winner. BYU is no where near the national reputation of the tide. Heisman, no issue.

    "ACADEMICS:
    BYU undergrad, Business, Law superior." Yeah, I'll give you business and law. However, it isn't like those two disciplines are non-existent at Utah. They are very good...just not at the level BYU has them. Academically you forget...Utah's health care (all areas), medicine, physics, chemistry, biology, engineering, geological sciences, computer science, and....

  • UTE_in_SEC_Country
    June 16, 2010 7:38 a.m.

    If the MWC is deserving of an automatic bid (which I believe it is) then how come everyone from that conference keeps commenting that one of the top contenders from the conference will be "mid - bottom" of the PAC 10??

    Come on, if you really believe the MWC is as strong as you say, then you have to also believe that any of the top teams in it could compete in a BCS conference!

    You can't have it both ways just because it is not YOUR favorite team from the MWC that is being rumored to be wanted by the BCS conference.

    You only hurt the MWC, and hence your own school, with such comments

  • wsblack
    June 16, 2010 7:37 a.m.

    Hrmm, yearly shots at a conference title with a BCS bid in the offing or year-on-year middle-of-the-pac finishes.

    In-conference games would be, on average, more difficult than any of the previous seasons and would lend to more injuries, and a depleted team overall.

    net net, the money will go up on average but the shot at glory and winning seasons will obviously go down. And the rivalry will essentially end up on the dust heap of time.

    I think that about sums it up. People for whatever reason identify with the option they like best.

  • MUSSDad
    June 16, 2010 7:36 a.m.

    @Samuel | 1:48 a.m. June 16, 2010

    You left off the rest of the study...

    "But when US News evaluates graduate schools, Utah, who has more graduate programs, ranks higher." Thanks, Utah'95 | 1:32 a.m. June 16, 2010

    That's like saying BYU has won 3 of 4 games. While true it distorts the picture for the current coaches (3of5 for BYU).

    Look, The University of Utah brings in close to $350 Million annually in research revenue. BYU cannot compare with that...not even close (around $40M I believe). There is a reason Utah is able to do that.

    For decades, the UofU has focused on building its reputation as a research university. Today, they are being recognized for their success in implementing that strategy. BYU and the University of Utah are not the same type of school and it is silly to try to compare them like they are apples and apples.

    A study was completed a few months ago where a Chinese firm ranked the academics for all universities around the world. The University of Utah came in at #80. BYU was in the 400s. Btw...the criteria was consistent and measurable.

  • BlueDevil_Cougar
    June 16, 2010 7:11 a.m.

    I have worked at Universities across this country, and have been in recruiting students for graduate programs over the past 15 years. I can tell you that when ever a BYU graduate applies, we have given them special attention. They come out with an excellent education. The lack of any invitation for BYU can not be based on educational prowess.

    Congratulations to Utah for moving on. I have read here frequently about the number of LDS members that attend the U of U. I wonder how many of these wonderful LDS members who are U of U fans will attend any future games scheduled on Sundays. As a BYU grad, I am glad we aren't willing to give that up for any amount of money.

    Good luck Utes, I hope you do well.

  • MUSSDad
    June 16, 2010 6:56 a.m.

    @bostonblue | 12:51 a.m. June 16, 2010

    Ah, yes...the bigot card. If you don't get what you want, pull the ole' bigot card. BYU wants to be different yet when treated differently, they start name calling. What a comfortable world you have created for yourself. And you wonder why no one wants anything to do with you (BYU).

    btw...every point in your post is highly debatable but thanks for your opinion. When was the last time you inspected Utah's athletic facilities? Went to a football game in their empty stadium? That's what I thought.

    Grow up!




    Grow up.

  • Casper
    June 16, 2010 6:50 a.m.

    @bostonblue | 12:51 a.m. June 16, 2010

    Good grief, did BYU invent the airplane too??

    "Utah Football was non-existent until Urban and a BYU PLAYER decided to coach there. Still, BYU controls the last 5 years!"

    Not true. Ron McBride and Fred Whittingham did it. Urban Myer and Kyle Whittingham sealed the deal. BYU has 3 of the last 5. Hardly control.

    "ATHLETICS:
    BYU: 30 years of a nationally recognized program, national championship, heisman, NFL MVPs, better facilities. Director's Cup #26."

    The Utes have done exceptionally well with the budget they have had to work with. you should pay a visit some time. 25 years ago BYU was nationally recognized...not so much now. Alabama just had its first Heisman Trophy winner. BYU is no where near the national reputation of the tide. Heisman, no issue.

    "ACADEMICS:
    BYU undergrad, Business, Law superior." Yeah, I'll give you business and law. However, it isn't like those two disciplines are non-existent at Utah. They are very good...just not at the level BYU has them. Academically you forget...Utah's health care (all areas), medicine, physics, chemistry, biology, engineering, geological sciences, computer science, and....

  • MOUte
    June 16, 2010 6:33 a.m.

    @AZWildcat | 10:44 p.m. June 15, 2010

    Thanks for the warm pending welcome. I am hopeful events over the next few days with respect to conference expansion play out as expected.

    The universities comprising the current PAC-10 are among the best in the world as a recent study concluded. Clearly, it's the next step for the University of Utah to achieve it's academic mission and athletic endeavors. It would be great to be numbered among the best!

  • defibman
    June 16, 2010 6:17 a.m.

    I will give this a couple of years and the mighty Utes will be crying in their pablum. I see them in the bottom three of the Pac-12. Some suggest that if they join their recruiting will improve. NOT SO. With all the changes in the conferences, it will become more important for the strong to get stronger. The Utes, playing in a much stronger conference will get beat-up often and wonder why they cannot compete with "the big boys". Mark my words Utes, it's all down hill from here. Enjoy your moment (1 maybe 2 years)then try to get use to being on the bottom and looking for another conference scramble.

  • What's up?
    June 16, 2010 5:33 a.m.

    Utah is GONE!!! The MWC is in a big hurt! They need to jump on Houston big time and see if they can get them interested. Boise State sooner or later will fold and all that means is that the MWC added a "Big Sky" type school to their conference. Nothing wrong with that, but who knows who the "next hot football team" will be? Not a good way to build a conference. GOOD LUCK!!

  • Uteology
    June 16, 2010 5:21 a.m.

    ATHLETICS:
    BYU: 30 years of a nationally recognized program, national championship, heisman, NFL MVPs, better facilities. Director's Cup #26.

    Utah: Women's gymnastics, and a few years of football. Director's Cup #57.

    ----------
    I guss you were sleeping when your team was going 1-26 while Utah was playing in a NC game against Kentucky.

    Look both schools have great academics but only one is in violation of academic freedom according to AAUP. Ans as one BYU fan said they don't care what AAUP thinks but I think the liberal PAC does.

    Both schools have great good athletic programs but only one has done anything on the national stage since 1996.

    BYU is a better fit in the Big 12 so let's hope they get picked up soon.

  • Ricardo Carvalho
    June 16, 2010 5:02 a.m.

    Congratulations to the Utes should this happen. As a Cougar fan I will readily admit to some jealousy as the Utes join some of the most historied names in college sports - USC in football and UCLA in basketball. On the other hand,it is shame to break up what is becoming a very good MWC at least in football with 4 top 25 teams including 2 in the top 10 as I recall. I, for, one think that Utah will do well in the PAC 10. The big difference in our conferences is that USC will probably always rule PAC 10 football if they can keep clean whereas the MWC has no dominant team. Otherwise, I would stack up the top 5 of the MWC (including Boise State and Air Force) against the top 5 of the PAC 10. I do think the MWC are weaker at the bottom. So, Utah will go from what should be 4 guaranteed wins at the bottom of the MWC to some tricky games at the bottom of the PAC 10. I, for one, will miss the rivalry as it will not have the same meaning even if we continue to playe each other.

  • 3xc3ption
    June 16, 2010 4:25 a.m.

    @LasVegasCoug
    sorry to burst your little bubble on BYU being ranked higher academically. when the "Academic Ranking of World Universities"(ARWU) has the Utes ranked #80 and BYU ranked #303. this website also gives national ranking. Utes #47, BYU #113-138 tied with 25 other schools for being ranked #113.

    Moving on, there will always be room at the end of the season right before the PAC-10? championship game. Where BYU and Utah can continue their rivalry game every year. So stop your crying BYU fans. How bout you go and work for a game in the BCS championship. instead of relying on other schools to bring it to you. Sorry to sound hateful towards BYU. I do respect your university.

    GO UTES!

  • So Cal Ute
    June 16, 2010 4:07 a.m.

    I don't buy the argument that Utah should stay in the MWC because... let's suppose they did. The Big 12 will most likely need 2 more teams because you can't be the Big 12 and have 10 teams. Also, the Pac 10 would need another space filler. If Utah stays, then BYU and TCU would end up being invited to those conferences at some point. Before the MWC would have a chance to become a BCS conference, everyone would be gone... except Utah. That is why Utah needs to leave "if" they get an invite.

  • UteExpat
    June 16, 2010 3:49 a.m.

    Hey bostonblue, please check your facts. Utah and BYU are tied in US News's most recent law school rankings.

    But never let the facts get in the way of your point, right? I can name programs that are better at the U, but that isn't the point. We know why BYU wasn't considered, and I applaud BYU for maintaining what it is, even though it is a contraint on athletics. But Utah is no slouch, either, and you should be happy for us. I would be thrilled for BYU if the roles were reversed, even though I would be sad to see the league break up. I feel that way even now.

    And before you say it, I am not too stupid/insufficiently LDS/etc. to get into BYU. I was accepted to BYU's undergrad and law schools, but chose Utah for undergrad and a school back east for law school. I like BYU, but I am very glad I made both decisions.

    Good luck all.

  • Samuel
    June 16, 2010 1:48 a.m.

    Thank you LasVegasCoug @ 10:51,

    I was about to make the same point when I saw your post.

    For those of you who don't believe it google "Top U.S. Universities" The US news link will show.

    "National Universities Rankings - Schools in the National Universities category, such as Yale and UCLA, offer a full range of undergraduate majors, master's, and doctoral degrees. These colleges also are committed to producing groundbreaking research."

    BYU #71
    Utah #126

    To quote LasVegasCoug: "Just the facts Ma'am"

    Kinda backs up all this bigotry talk don't ya think?

    Good Luck Utes - if you go.

  • Jazzsmack
    June 16, 2010 1:34 a.m.


    IT not going to happen.

    WHY would the PAC want Utah?


    They will annouce that they are continuing to look or will stand pat for now.

    they obvioulsy want a team farther east than utah.

  • Utah'95
    June 16, 2010 1:32 a.m.

    As one who likes tradition, I'm not sure how I feel about Utah potentially leaving teams they have been competing against for decades.

    While it's mostly about money, the Pac 10 considers other factors as well.

    I'm sure religion plays a role in the Pac 10's not considering BYU. Even if it were limited to playing/not playing on Sunday, that would be a show-stopper. But don't be judgemental - you might be placing stumbling blocks in the path of your neighbors.

    Utah and BYU don't have exactly the same academic goals. In the US News undergraduate rankings, BYU places higher than Utah. But when US News evaluates graduate schools, Utah, who has more graduate programs, ranks higher.

    Yes, Baylor is a great academic/research school, but now that Texas and friends aren't going west, why would the Pac 10 travel to eastern Texas for only one team (that isn't named Texas)?

    No matter what happens, BYU will continue to do well. They have a solid, well-rounded athletic program, and a large, loyal following. And if Utah stays, I look forward to them competing in an up and coming conference.

  • JJL
    June 16, 2010 1:05 a.m.

    As an alum of 2 Pac 10 schools, I don't agree with the move to expand the Pac for any school. The tradition, rivalry and competition is complete the way it is. Of course it is about the money and that is a shame for the fans. I would have much rather seen the MWC become an AQ BSC conference, especially with the addition of Boise State. As much as I hate to admit it, the top tier football programs of the new MWC have done very well against the Pac in the last 5 - 7 years.

  • bostonblue
    June 16, 2010 12:51 a.m.

    Utah will go PAC. The big question: why? The reason(s) for expansion: MONEY? Add athletics, and even academics. A BIGGER WHY??

    MONEY:
    BYU will always bring more MONEY than Utah! BYU has filled its 65,000 capacity most of the last 30 years. Utah has trouble filling its recently expanded 45,000--unless playing BYU! At UCLA, 40% of the fans were BYU fans. Same thing at Washington. In PAC country, that will always be the case. That won't happen EVER with Utah, let alone every game!

    Utah Football was non-existent until Urban and a BYU PLAYER decided to coach there. Still, BYU controls the last 5 years!

    Same TV market? Are you kidding?! BYU will always pull more viewers even in Utah. But, BYU has 7 Million North American Mormons! The BYU potential TV audience is one of the nation's largest. Utah will NEVER compete with MONEY.

    ATHLETICS:
    BYU: 30 years of a nationally recognized program, national championship, heisman, NFL MVPs, better facilities. Director's Cup #26.

    Utah: Women's gymnastics, and a few years of football. Director's Cup #57.

    ACADEMICS:
    BYU undergrad, Business, Law superior.

    So WHY??

    PAC-10 Bigotry. PERIOD.

  • dricha65
    June 16, 2010 12:46 a.m.

    First, I am a BYU fan but I am happy for Utah's success. I hope they get the invite and play well in their new conference. I have really enjoyed watching Utah play with a chip on their shoulder especially when the odds are against them. I think they will do very well and it may show that the MWC is on par with the PAC10 due to the competitive and unpredictable BYU/Utah rivalry.

    It will also be a little sad to see Utah leave the conference they helped build. I still hope for MWC success and for an auto bid in the BCS system.

  • BlueGoose
    June 16, 2010 12:44 a.m.

    Why is everyone being so critical of Utah joining the Pac-10? It's just jealousy. They're going to get more money, join a BCS conference, be in a more competitive football league and fit in well with the other Pac-10 member institutions educationally. ESPN, the 800 pound gorilla in sports, will never give any of the MWC teams a break - it wants to teach the MWC a lesson for starting their own TV network, which by the way has been a flop. Boise State made a big mistake joining the MWC - we'll never be on national TV again. We should have stayed with the WAC.

  • bostonblue
    June 16, 2010 12:39 a.m.

    Utah will go PAC. The big question: Y? The reason(s) for expansion: MONEY? Add athletics, and even academics. A BIGGER Y??

    MONEY:
    BYU will always bring more MONEY than Utah! BYU has filled its 65,000 capacity most of the last 30 years. Utah has trouble filling its recently expanded 45,000--unless playing BYU! At UCLA, 40% of the fans were BYU fans. Same thing at Washington. In PAC country, that will always be the case. That won't happen EVER with Utah, let alone every game!

    Utah Football was non-existent until Urban and a BYU PLAYER decided to coach there. Still, BYU controls the last 5 years!

    Same TV market? Are you kidding?! BYU will always pull more viewers even in Utah. But, BYU has 7 Million North American Mormons! The BYU potential TV audience is one of the nation's largest. Utah will NEVER compete with MONEY.

    ATHLETICS:
    BYU: 30 years of a nationally recognized program, national championship, heisman, NFL MVPs, better facilities. Director's Cup #26.

    Utah: Women's gymnastics, and a few years of football. Director's Cup #57.

    ACADEMICS:
    BYU undergrad, Business, Law superior.

    So Y???

    PAC-10 Bigotry. PERIOD.

  • Oregonian
    June 16, 2010 12:05 a.m.

    Living in PAC-10 land, I have to scratch my head a bit. We've just added arguably the worst athletic program in the Big 12 North and now the second best program in the state of Utah?

    First, BYU is not a fit of the PAC-10. Can you imagine BYU playing at Cal, Stanford, and/or Oregon during another Prop 8 campaign? The PAC-10's diversity doesn't include Mormons. But this does go to the hypocrisy of the PAC-10.

    Cultural fit? Colorado ranked last in athletic academics and was flirting with probation while BYU football's team had the highest number of academic all-americans in the country.

    Academics? While Utah is a great university, the phrase "I went to BYU because I couldn't get into Utah" has never been uttered.

    Athletic Facilities? BYU wins hands down.

    Fan support? Utah couldn't sell its allotment of 12,500 to the biggest football game in their history (Sugar Bowl) while BYU fans had to enter in a lottery to get one of 17,500 tickets to Dallas to supposedly watch their team get creamed by Oklahoma.

    PAC-10 hypocrisy



  • first2third
    June 15, 2010 11:56 p.m.

    The pac ten/twelve needs another team. A twelfth team gives them the right to have a football championship game. That's why the pac needs Utah and Utah really would benefit from going. As a cougar fan you can't fault them. It's a no brainer. Good Luck to the Utes (I'm sincere).

  • JohnJacobJingleHeimerSchmidt
    June 15, 2010 11:45 p.m.

    Bottom line: If roles were revered everyone would be saying the opposite thing they are saying now.

    Bottom line 2: This has nothing to do with academics, it has to do with money, football money and the revenue it generates.

    It would have been better had BYU and Utah moved up but we live in a world that is driven by money.

    This is the free market at work so all you BYU fans that love capitalism, this is it in it's raw and ugly form.

  • Buster
    June 15, 2010 11:29 p.m.

    Moody Blue and junkie

    Classy Utes, classy comments. I wish Utah luck. I hope the TV contract works out. And I will love watching PAC-12 teams come into RES. I sincerely hope Utah is up to the challenge and represents the state well.

    Who knows what the future will bring.

    I hope the programs at both Utah and BYU continue to prosper as well.

  • dinosaur jr.
    June 15, 2010 11:26 p.m.

    "Someone has been suggesting that a culture of belief is inconsistent with teaching all the skills associated with critical thinking (the core mission of any university)."
    The problem is, that's exactly true. I'm a BYU grad and a BYU sports fan, but BYU is lacking in the academic dept. Sure, BYU has rigorous admission standards and hence capable students, but the academic atmosphere leaves the college experience incomplete.
    That said, part of me hopes Utah doesn't leave the MWC. But part of me does. I like the school okay, but too many Ute fans are just haters. Sure, BYU fans can be provincial, but Ute fans are even worse.

  • Samwise
    June 15, 2010 11:26 p.m.

    Well, if it is true (there is still nothing solid saying it is happening for sure), good luck in the PAC whatever, Utes. I am one Cougar that actually hopes if it does actually happen that you will be in the Rose Bowl or even the National Championship in a few years. And I hope our rivalry with you can continue with the same intensity.

  • Duds
    June 15, 2010 11:23 p.m.

    @ Junkie

    By far the most insightful posts from a Utah fan. I couldn't agree with you more on the sad day it will be when Utah leaves the MWC. I'd say the same thing if BYU was leaving instead. The MWC has come a long way, all thanks to the BYU/UTAH duo. To break them up will be the beginning of the end. Playing a rivalry game at the beginning of the season isn't the same as conference championships being decided year after year in the last game.

    To the envious BYU fans and the arrogant Utah fans, instead of focusing on the pro's/con's when the invite finally arrives, mourn the death of Utah's biggest event of the year.

  • justmeagain
    June 15, 2010 11:05 p.m.

    Go Utah! PAC-1? stinks. You could do a lot for their conference. BYU and the PAC 1? is not a good fit. BYU will not change the Sunday play rule. I hope the rivalry stays. If not, good luck Utah! I will always cheer for you even though I am a Cougar through and through (except if you play us).

    Again - PLEASE DON'T INVITE UTAH STATE TO THE MWC!

  • silverbear
    June 15, 2010 11:04 p.m.

    If Utah is asked to join the Pac 10(12) soon.I ask Is it better to be a BIG fish in a small pond or a LITTLE fish in a big pond....Go figure.

  • Uteology
    June 15, 2010 11:03 p.m.

    @sammyg | 10:32 p.m. June 15, 2010

    Only a Zoob would be proud of playing in Vegas in December.

  • Linus
    June 15, 2010 11:01 p.m.

    I hope this isn't just a rumor. I hope it is true. Furthermore, I hope that Utah and BYU end their on-field rivalry. I don't like hating anyone and I don't enjoy being hated. I don't like being called "classless." I would love cheering for both schools to succeed in their separate spheres.

  • Dave S
    June 15, 2010 10:56 p.m.

    The jealousy of our little brothers and I do mean little brothers with all of the negativity never ceases to amaze me. Of course the money year in and year out is too much to pass up. In addition this will absolutely help recruiting more than anyone can imagine right now. That excites me more than anything!!

  • Noah's Lark
    June 15, 2010 10:55 p.m.

    @scott:

    Why would the Pac-12 break up the California rivalries. I see Utah and Colorado joining the Washington and Oregon schools more than the Southern California and Arizona schools.

  • LasVegasCoug
    June 15, 2010 10:51 p.m.

    Let’s address this research and academic issue once and for all:

    According to US News and World Report for Best Colleges 2010, under National University rankings the following statement proceeds the list, “Schools in the National Universities category, such as Yale and UCLA, offer a full range of undergraduate majors, master's, and doctoral degrees. These colleges also are committed to producing groundbreaking research.”

    The Pac-xx rankings with BYU and Utah included in order as they appear in the list:

    4th Stanford
    21stUC Berkeley
    24thUCLA
    26thUSC
    42ndWashington
    71stBYU
    77thColorado
    102ndArizona
    106thWashington State
    115thOregon
    121st Arizona State
    126thUtah
    Tier 3Oregon State

    I don’t know what Tier 3 is but for comparison, Utah State is also ranked Tier 3. Either way, BYU fairs pretty well academically with the current Pac-xx. Just the facts ma’am.

  • AZWildcat
    June 15, 2010 10:49 p.m.

    We actually should add a few more teams and do the Pac 16. I don't believe that it will happen this year. Welcome Colorado and Utah

  • AZWildcat
    June 15, 2010 10:44 p.m.

    Well let me be one of the first Pac 10 (12?) schools to welcome Utah. It will happen soon. We have had great experiences with Utah in the Pac 10 and look forward to having you with us. Utah will do just fine in the Pac 10.

  • Zoniezoobie
    June 15, 2010 10:43 p.m.

    Moodyblue and junkie have it right,

    BYU never was a candidate for the Pac10 to invite.

    The mission and standards of BYU far exceed the secular pursuits of a west coast athletic league and its possible new entrant from Salt Lake.

  • owlmaster2
    June 15, 2010 10:40 p.m.

    Wahhhh wahhh -- lots of crying from the BYU boys.. personally as a Ute I'd rather see us stay with the MWC but if we go we'll get stronger with the opening of doors because of the conference.
    Perhaps the haters down south will miss us when we are gone..
    Maybe the MWC should check out Fresno State....

  • cjf
    June 15, 2010 10:40 p.m.

    I am one of the lone Ute fans that will not be excited to see the Utes go if that happens.

    I like the Utes being a big fish in a pool of smaller fish. Middle of the pack year after year will be reality, with an occasional top first or second place finish. This will get old fast.

    Anyway, I hope I am wrong if the Utes get invited.

  • optimist
    June 15, 2010 10:38 p.m.

    Don't accept the Pac 10 invitation University of Utah. With Boise State now at #3, TCU now at #6,
    Utah at #24 and BYU finishing last season at #14 and having the best recruiting class to start the 2010 season should be enough to get us a BCS Conference.

    If Utah goes to the Pac ten, it will hurt our chances for the BCS invite than it will help Utah be a respected member of the Pac 10.

    Stay and remain a power house, along with Boise State, TCU, yourself, Utah and BYU. Air Force is rapidly coming up and wanting to be among the powerhouses of the MWC. Stay with us and be a part of the big event.

  • jpjazz
    June 15, 2010 10:32 p.m.

    Wish the Utes the best. On realist note, I'm not sure that the local Salt Lake TV market will not bring much in the way of ratings $$ to the Pac 12, especially if Utah Football does not continue to win. BBall is even more doubtful. It's a good thing that what drove this decision was the desire for a 12th team and a football conference title game.


  • sammyg
    June 15, 2010 10:32 p.m.

    If this becomes true this is awesome. This means that if the stars, moon, and planets align perfectly BYU can beat Utah twice in one season????

    Could that be possible???

    We will be seeing Ute guys at Vegas a little more often.

    BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH!

  • moodyblue1977
    June 15, 2010 10:28 p.m.

    If you don't think religion played a significant role in all of this, ask yourself why Baylor (a better academic institution than Utah, with a better medical school) was never in the PAC 10 conversation.

    But there is much more to this. BYU has never aspired to be a primarily research oriented university. BYU is still an undergraduate teaching institution with some graduate and professional programs. It will always be that way. For that reason alone, the U is a much better fit for the PAC 10.

    BYU is a university that also fosters a culture of belief. It has strong commitment to providing an environment built around the honor code, devotionals, campus wards and stakes, religious education, etc. The PAC 10 does not share the same commitment and has no aspirations of that sort for its students.

    Someone has been suggesting that a culture of belief is inconsistent with teaching all the skills associated with critical thinking (the core mission of any university). That is an extraordinary insult to the students and faculty of BYU who demonstrate their commitment to the finest principles of higher education daily.

    Good luck to the Utes. May they prosper.

  • Magna Ute Fan
    June 15, 2010 10:23 p.m.

    This is getting really old. Just make up your mind commissioner. Take us, leave us, whatever! I'm buying season tickets either way.

    Go Utes!!!

  • scott
    June 15, 2010 10:23 p.m.

    If the PAC 12 doesn't rip Utah fans' hearts out by jilting Utah bride-to-be at the altar, expect the following divisions:

    Pac-12 North

    1) Washington
    2) Washington State
    3) Oregon
    4) Oregon State
    5) Cal
    6) Stanford

    Pac-12 South

    1) USC
    2) UCLA
    3) Arizona
    4) Arizona State
    5) Utah
    6) Colorado

  • GregH
    June 15, 2010 10:21 p.m.

    If the Utes go, I will be excited! Even though I have been an advocate of the MWC and helping it get the AQ Bid, I am a Ute Fan First and foremost. To those Utah and BYU Fans who are saying the Utes are going to be Middle of the Pact, I would have to disagree. If you look at the last 10 years with the Utes facing the Pac10 in both the regular season and the postseason they have a strong winning record. The one team to be concerned with would be USC because of the immense success they have had over the years. However, with teams like UCLA, Oregon and Oregon State. Those teams are up and down as much as a roller coaster. The Utes have had a pretty steady team for the last 10 years. With the Pac10 Recruiting will become even stronger, making the already outstanding team and program an even better one. Keep an open mind Ute Fans, Utah can battle with the Pac.

  • BBLVR
    June 15, 2010 10:10 p.m.

    Love the comments & the jealousy. I remember the comments of the sportscasters before the Alabama game. The Utah program has proved themselves more than once and it wasn't at the Las Vegas Bowl. Hope the rumor is true. GO UTES!

  • Sully
    June 15, 2010 10:05 p.m.

    I am an alumnus of both BYU and the University of Utah. I say, "Way to go, Utah!" I wish them the best! I hope that it does a lot for the University and the State of Utah. I think that it also draws on some natural rivalries in the two schools in Arizona and in Colorado.

  • CougarKeith
    June 15, 2010 10:04 p.m.

    It isn't over till its over. Just wait and see what the days bring. I for one would think it would be a laugher to see Utah banned to the PAC-10, they aren't that good of a team, they had two great years, and a couple fairly good years and now they are an "ELITE" TEAM? Not hardly!!! I think they should stay, BYU would be a great fit in the Big 12 although it would take them a few years to be competitive weekly! Just give it time, it will all come out in the wash, it always does! Perhaps the Mountain did the right thing claiming Boise State now rather than waiting? Now they need 2 more teams, I still say Utah State and Fresno are the best bets for a BCS Auto Bid Conference with a Championship game at the end of the season!

  • junkie
    June 15, 2010 10:02 p.m.

    BYU fans, though it hurts that we are getting the invite and not you; just remember that BYU is what it is. BYU is a religious institution first and formost that will always care more about what is good for the school, and I gaurantee sports is a distant second. When a school stands up for its values, there are consequences that come with that. That just happens to be that you become less attractive in conference standings. I know as a fan that is hard to deal with, but remember you are BYU fans because you hold those same values. Don't stand proud when your school stands up for the values (not playing on sunday's), but then complain when it is held against you. I respect you for those values, but it is also the same reason we got the invite and you didn't. I don't mean those remarks to be disparaging.

    Though unfortunately in my opinon that the U will accept the invite, it is truely a sad day for the MWC and college sports when it happens.

  • BluCoug
    June 15, 2010 9:59 p.m.

    @ Chris B

    See you vegas! Glad to see you want line up, like the rest of the Pac-10 and take a beating and plea for mercy from the Cougars!

  • ryansutes
    June 15, 2010 9:59 p.m.

    I hope it is true.

    A few thoughts:

    1. To those who argue that Utah will suffer from greater competition. Don't you want to compete against stronger teams. I do. I realize that we will likely not go to a BCS game for a long time. But the idea is to compete. That's what Utah will hopefully be doing.

    2. The rivalry wont end. Clemson and South Carolina are rivals in different leagues. Same for Florida and Florida St. However both still play at the end of the year in a competitive rivalry.

    3. BYU likely hasn't been invited by PAC 10 and the Big 12 because of the Sunday play issue. This is more an issue for the basketball tournament. I believe both conferences have their championships on Sunday.

    4. Of course Utah is chasing the money. It's what both schools do. Football pays for the rest of the athletic budget. If Utah moves to the PAC 10 it helps to strengthen a lot more than just the football team

    5. Personally I hope the Big 12 takes BYU. They could do well and I think it strengthens the rivalry.

    Good luck Utes/Cougars

  • RepresentBlue
    June 15, 2010 9:57 p.m.

    Hilarious to see how quickly Ute fans are becoming insufferably arrogant and over-confident. You have not even been officially invited yet and you are already having delusions of grandeur like you are going to become the next USC. But you will soon realize that just being in the Pac-whatever will not necessarily make the Utes a better program. Some of the worst teams in the country are in the Pac-10. And it will not necessarily make the Utes superior to BYU. That will still have to be decided on the field.

  • junkie
    June 15, 2010 9:55 p.m.

    Here's my take... "IF" the reports come about to be that Utah gets the invite and they leave the MWC, then it should be celebrated and mourned at the same time. Though I'm a Ute fan, I have an empty feeling in my stomache thinking of departing from our long time friends of the MWC, and especially.. gulp, BYU. It's like moving away from your life long buddies. Yes, we can continue to try and salvage a historic and fun/bitter rivalry; but lets be honest, it will never be the same.

    Ute fans, lets be honest... BYU has done just as much for us, if not more in the last 30 years, as we have for them in getting recognition and respect for the WAC/MWC. BYU for a long time carried the load, and recently UTAH and TCU has taken it furthor. Leaving the MWC is a sad thing, it should be mourned. We fought long and hard to get it to were it could be, and now we are just bolting.

    Personally, I would prefer to stay in the MWC, money aside and what it will do for us.

  • Terry
    June 15, 2010 9:53 p.m.

    Utah would be getting 15 times more TV revenue. They could go winless and it would still be a no brainer for the cash and prestige coming from the Pac 10.

    However, they have proven they can beat the better teams of the Pac 10 (in good years) and luckily for them, the Pac 10 appears really down right now, especially USC after probation/lost scholarships. Any MWC fan should hope they put on a good showing to prove that the best of the MWC is just as good as the best of the Pac10 and other BCS conferences! (something we always try to argue for respect!) I hope they do great and I am a big BYU fan! Of course, I also hope the MWC gets an auto bid or BYU goes to the Big 12 within the next year or two!

  • Zone9
    June 15, 2010 9:51 p.m.

    Utah has done fairly well against PAC 10 teams. They should do even better with (a) the exposure for recruiting and (b) the additional money. There's no reason they can't play with PAC 10 teams. They beat USC a few years ago and have dominated in two recent BCS bowls. They're not at the 2004 and 2008 level every year but twice in 5 years isn't bad.

  • B
    June 15, 2010 9:45 p.m.

    RE: Cynic

    Don't be silly. I am a BYU fan from way back in the day. I gutted it out on the cold asphalt of Rice stadium during the 57-28 debacle. I bleed blue. But Utah has everything to gain by moving and they will be good in the PAC 10. It's the PAC 10 that has everything to lose. Utah brings a small TV market and the other teams in the PAC 10 will have to compete with them for the Rose Bowl. I don't see how the PAC 10 really wins.

  • Show Me The Title
    June 15, 2010 9:43 p.m.

    Awesome sauce.

  • regis
    June 15, 2010 9:43 p.m.

    Wasp1990:

    According to Dick Harmon and others, BYU's major drawback was religion, most specifically that Cal administrators are opposed to PAC 10 admission of any institution with religious ties.

    Another issue is the fact that BYU will not play on Sundays, and the PAC 10 has been scheduling events on Sundays for several years.

    Also, Utah has a better reputation as a research institution, and the PAC 10 is proud of the academic standing of its schools and wants to maintain a strong reputation in the research and academic area.

    I'll agree with Jack Ryan on the misinformation comment. Everybody wants to be first with the scoop, and it seems if they've talked to the mother in law of the babysitter of some Ute Assistant Coach, they're reporting as "fact" things which are actually pretty speculative and unsubstantiated.

    If it turns out to be true, the Utes obviously have to accept this opportunity. But I for one will feel regrets over leaving behind rivalries with teams we've had a partnership with for 50 years or more.

  • GreasyDave
    June 15, 2010 9:42 p.m.

    I think if the U was placed in a Northern Division with Colorado, Washington, WSU, Oregon and OSU they could fare pretty well. That would be a winnable division with Washington and the Oregon schools being our toughest competition.

    But, if the U was placed in a division with UCLA, USC, Arizona, ASU and Colorado --- forget about it. USC, UCLA and Arizona State would dominate that division year in and out.

    Luckily, I think the Pac-12 would keep the California school rivalries intact. I don't see USC and Stanford playing bi-annually.

    Needless to say ... I can't wait to see if/when the U gets an invitation. GO UTES!

  • nottyou
    June 15, 2010 9:40 p.m.

    Yes, I am a lot jealous, but I'd still rather be dead than Red. Good luck Utes...I'm looking forward to having nothing to talk to Ute fans about...kind of like a family member that you don't like die...feels good, feels right. RIP

  • Salt Lake Sam
    June 15, 2010 9:37 p.m.

    @Wasp1990-Because of the same reason that the Pac-10 didn't want Baylor if the Texas teams moved over. BYU is a religious private school. Not to mention the lack of a medical research/hospital facility. It has nothing to do with BYU's athletic program.

  • oh ye confederacy of dunces
    June 15, 2010 9:34 p.m.

    I gotta admit U fans, it does eat me up inside--though I never expected anything different. Question? Would we use up one of our out of state games every year to face the U? No thanks. I'm all for letting the rivalry whither away.

  • texor
    June 15, 2010 9:29 p.m.

    Be leary of information from sources, "close to the situation." Look at all the misinformation from "highly-placed sources" as was repeatedly quoted in the Austin newspaper having UT and their little brothers going to the Pac10. When both parties announce anything that's the news. Anything prior to that is rumor at best aimed only at selling a product.

  • rvalens2
    June 15, 2010 9:24 p.m.

    Okay BYU fans so Utah ends up in the middle of the PAC-12. So what . . .

    Just remember . . . its a VERY RICH middle of the PAC.

    And there isn't going to be anything sweeter than having USC, UCLA, CAL, et al coming to Rice Eccles Stadium even if it's only every other year.

    And no matter what happens I sure hope the Utes keep you on their schedule. I don't want to ever see the rivalry end. It's just too much fun . . .

    Best of luck to you BYU. And Yes, I really do mean it!

    Go UTES! ! !

  • cynic
    June 15, 2010 9:19 p.m.

    "There had been speculation that Big 12 powerhouse Texas would follow Colorado to the Pac-10" but when THEY realized what a stupid move that would be, the Pac-10 was forced to settle for a much weaker team that will just contribute to the downward spiral of the Pac-10's performance in recent years. After several years of abject failure in the dismal Pac-10, Utah will be begging to get back into the MWC.

  • rvalens2
    June 15, 2010 9:18 p.m.

    Yes!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • 12-32
    June 15, 2010 9:16 p.m.

    Good move Utes!

    I guess I would trade wins and national exposure for all that money too.

  • Jack Ryan
    June 15, 2010 9:15 p.m.

    Given all of the misinformation in the past few days (e.g., ESPN "Sources: Texas to join PAC-10 today"), I'll wait for the actual press conference before getting too excited.

    And I agree with BlueCoug -- let's keep some civility to the comments and try to be big boys & girls, eh?

  • MiP
    June 15, 2010 9:15 p.m.

    I have mixed feelings about this.

    I do believe it will help immensely with recruiting, particularly the local kids.

    Still, I was liking where the MWC was going.

    But if it's true, the U would be silly to turn it down.

  • JohnJacobJingleHeimerSchmidt
    June 15, 2010 9:14 p.m.

    You byu people act like it doesn' t bug you but you know it I'd eating you up inside and that is why you are posting.

  • Esquire
    June 15, 2010 9:13 p.m.

    Chasing money instead of athletic success.

  • B
    June 15, 2010 9:11 p.m.

    Good riddance, Chris B.

  • Wasp1990
    June 15, 2010 9:08 p.m.

    As someone who is pretty impartial on this story, why was BYU not considered for the PAC 10 (12)? Any opinions?

  • Jacky Blue
    June 15, 2010 9:04 p.m.

    Hope it is true, Good luck Utes. Here is hoping the Big 12 invites BYU. College Football in the state of Utah would be at a new high!

  • duckhouse
    June 15, 2010 9:01 p.m.

    I think it is a sham that Utah would leave the MWC.. They are really loosers.........in more way than one...........they will never get into a playoff game even in a BCS conference, and if they would stay in the MWC,,,,,,,,,,the conference would get an auto bid with BS on board. It is a sham to the MWC if they leave..........If they do ---good ridence............

  • Wiley Old School
    June 15, 2010 9:00 p.m.

    Sa-weeeeeeeet!

  • Carson
    June 15, 2010 8:58 p.m.

    LOL, Jealous Zoobies for sure!

  • John Charity Spring
    June 15, 2010 8:57 p.m.

    The Utes must not give in to greed and join the so-called Pac-10 in an effort to enrich its coffers at he expense of their long time league mates. The Utes will find that they will literally be at the bottom of the pack and they will seek to return to the good situation they had in the MWC. Unfortunately, they will find that their display of greed and disloyalty will cause the MWC to say: Never again.

  • coachcarter
    June 15, 2010 8:51 p.m.

    lets go out with a bang fellas. hope it REALLY happens this time.

  • BlueCoug
    June 15, 2010 8:44 p.m.

    Congratulations Utah!

    As a Utah grad, I hope you do well in the PAC 12.

    It may be too much to ask for, but try to keep the dialogue civil.

  • govt rocks
    June 15, 2010 8:43 p.m.

    Go Utes!

  • oh ye confederacy of dunces
    June 15, 2010 8:42 p.m.

    Here's to a middle of the "PAC" future!

  • Parkercoug
    June 15, 2010 8:42 p.m.

    Good for the Utes. Good luck. Please leave now.

  • Chris B
    June 15, 2010 8:42 p.m.

    Good riddance tds