I certainly hope that this man reported to the school what his son had been
called. That is breaking school district rules. The children should have had
some consequences and been written up. As a newly retired school teacher, I can
tell you that such language was never tolerated in my class or in our school. It
was in elementary school, not junior high or high school. The language there is
appalling. It is just another form of bullying.
Join the army and see people for who they are, not what color the may be. Stop
looking for reasons to use color as an excuse. Athletics and the military are
the two places where you'll find very little racism because you are forced to
get to know people and the color issue goes away. It goes both ways, poor me or
I am always surprised about Utah being so defensive about
“diversity.” I enjoyed living in Oklahoma City, but Mr.
Hotchkins exaggerates the demographic differences of SLC and OKC. I've also
lived in Detroit and Atlanta - they are different than SLC - but I would never
tell anyone in those cities that I had a hard time finding white people to be
with and it was difficult getting away from all those black people. With
all the LDS missionaries that have been to "everywhere" and a global religion
headquartered in Utah, I would expect more self confidence in Utah. I don't
think Utah has anything to apologize about, especially compared to other regions
of the US. As far as the “N” word — I hear it
constantly used in Atlanta, by African Americans. The use of that word by
Southern whites has been nearly eliminated. In my experience, I have never heard
a white person in Georgia use the word in nearly a decade of living there. Times
and people do change.
Boy! I need to re-read before hitting enter. Debra Sue not Dedra. Oh and I
love the photo. I live in Rwanda and it is an example of what I was talking
about. The barbershop. I have to look high and low for someone who knows how
to cut my ultra-minority white hair. I understand that when a person is looking
to mold their appearance through something such as a haircut, you want someone
who understands you and in this instance your hair. Perspective is everything.
I am grateful for gaining a little.
Thank Dedra Sue for putting words to what I was feeling. Rather than looking
for opportunities to be offended, why don't we look for opportunities to be
enlightened. I live in a place that I am very different physically and
culturally. I am happy for all of the times I can see things in a different
light than I would have if I just kept on keeping on in the smae way I always
have. I lived in China before that and felt even more different and also gain
so much.I ask that we focus on the article and our own interaction
with others so that we may be more rather than become less.
What!No Way!How Did This Happen!I, of course,
refer to such a stupid article. The only people that worry about the color of a
persons skin are those that want to keep racism on the front burner!The reason the 'Census' counts races is only to 'Gerrymander' congressional
districts ... honest people KNOW that it is the truth!
As a native Utahn and an African American I would like to ask those of you so
frustrated or angry by Mr. Hotchkins comments to ask yourself why there is so
much defensiveness when a person shares an experience that is not yours. If you
could do that then possibly there could be an opportunity for greater
understanding and improvement. We don't share the same experiences. It is an
easy way out to say I play the race card when I tell you my experience rather
than seek to understand something that may tell you something about our
community. The position of minimizing it by shutting down the conversation by
saying it's the "race card" allows a community to be ignorant and not be a part
of improving race relations. I would welcome greater understanding and respect
for anyone to be able to be honest about their life experience!
I think it's kind of strange that the man in this story was so surprised that
there are few blacks in his neighborhood. It's Utah. Everybody in the country
could tell you that there are more blacks in, say, Georgia than in Utah. It
shouldn't come as a surprise to move to a neighborhood here and be the only ones
on the block. We need more diversity here, anybody could tell you that.
Please read these and think about it:I was born in Mexico of good
Mexican Parents. "After I finished my mission,was time to choose a University
and I wanted BYU. I got a student visa and It took me a year to pass the TOEFL.
But now I changed my mind, I want to go to UVU instead. The environment there
isn’t as 'self-righteous' and 'discriminatory'."or"I feel Mexican inside but I am so glad my skin is white and not 'brown', coz
kids at school treet me way better then my sister who's quit browner than me. I
am sooo lucky!"The first one comes from my journal in 1994, the
second one from my son's journal in 2006, while he was attending elementary
school.I think I agree with abr2116, unless you or your kids have
had to go though feeling like this it will be very hard for you to understand.
But I also agree with those here who explain that as long as someone is "feeling
sorry about himself" or "victimized" then that person will always have an excuse
to remain mediocre or expect charity and hand downs.
"...That until the color of a man's skin is of no more significance than the
color of his eyes..."-Bob Maryley
In my experience I’ve noticed that most of us tend to "react" to
experiences and "understand" communications, like the article and the postings
here, on a personal frame of reference; which is made out of our parent’s
teachings, our culture and level of education, our fears and feelings, our
life's previous experiences and our religious beliefs.I am a white
Hispanic living in a 5000 sf home in a beautiful, peaceful, middle income Lehi
neighborhood and my kids have been called all kinds of expletives. So when
I read his comment "not see white people for days if I don't want to" I
understood it as he saying "if I wanted to escape the name-calling, people
staring at my family, feeling uncomfortable, not answer the too often asked
"so...what made you come to Utah?" question, etc. for a few days, I could."However, after I started to read other people's perspective and how THEY took
it as an offense and as a racist comment then I read it again and understood how
that can be. I wish we could all become less easily offended and more open
As Utahns we tend to get a little bit hyper-sensitive about things, lets all
relax for a minute and think about what the gentleman is saying. Before commenting on race you need to ask yourself, have I ever been a
minority? If you are white, Mormon, and live in Utah, you probably don't have
much right to criticize a black man on racial issues. After all, as Mormons we
don't have the best track record on issues relating to race.
It is kind of funny that us white people have to be so sensitive, We have
received the majority of the perks in this country over its history. Why can't
we just read the article and say "that is interesting" or something like that.
Why when we make up such a large percentage of the population would we want to
Sheesh. How about if we try to be accomodating to people of all races who move
to our fine state for employment, education, or whatever the reason? Some of
you look for an argument when one doesn't exist. Arguing over sematincs and
statistics is just unproductive. I have a family member (in-law) who is black
and was transferred here for work. She loves it here and never plans to leave.
John Pack, who cares what the percentage is? When you say that 1.8% is very low,
isn't that the same as saying that 98.2% is very high? I think a lot of people
say things to score points with the other race. I'm fine with the percentage the
way it is and could care less if it moves up or down.
In the full figures at the end of the article the total lack of any listing
of either other or "more than one race", which is two generalized categories
avoided, makes it unclear if these are single reporting categories or if they
are only including one-race reports in the counts. Also, if the
figures are what they say they are, many Hispanics are under the heading white.
Being Hispanic is not a race according to census liturature. However, in
realistic usage most Hispanics are not considered white. A last
issue is, are Turks white? It might not be that big an issue, but after reading
the report on Beahive Academy I know there are some Turks in Utah, so it is a
question that must be considered.With all the talk of refugees from
Somalia and other countries in Africa, I think the reported should have gone and
actually talked to a refugee.
How do these stats count people like Mayor Loves' children, only one of whom
had been born by 2000? As the daughter of Haitian immigrants she is clearly
black, but since her husband is white, how do her children get reported. There
are many mixed race couples, the Boyes and the Baileys come to mind quickly,
which is an angle the article fails to address.Also, not all
immigrants are refugees. Amram Musunga is an immigrant from Kenya but no
refugee. While attending BYU I knew many international students from Africa.
A third group not addressed is adoptees. Whether international
adoptees or adoptees from other states who are black they also contribute to an
increse in the number of blacks.Still, 1.8% is very low.
It is sad to see how racist some people are. The 1:13 commentator is clearly
racist. I just hope someone decides his comments are offensive and removes
them. I clearly think they are.Of the black people in my ward, one
is a college graduate and the other two are college students. Since my ward is
a singles ward with about 50 people this is not bad.Of the black
people in my stake, we have an assistant US attorney, a head of a helath-care
company who run for congress as a Republican in Colorado in 2000 but did not
prevail, a high school ROTC director, and several other upstanding and educated
LOL, Screwdriver, your post is a perfect example of what white people have to go
through. Everything we say about the matter, racist or not, is racist in the
eyes of some black people. I've stopped caring about that a long time ago
though. I'm going to say what I am going to say and if someone gets offended
then oh well. Keep playing the martyr, we'll see how well a full life of feeling
sorry for your self turns out.
IMO, it was a racist statement. He equates the viewing of white people
(generally considered the caucasian race) with racist experiences he's endured.
Sadly when you are programmed to see yourself as a victim, you
seldom see how you victimize others.
Billy Bob's statement. He was making a point that there ARE SO FEW
blacks in UTAH.Obviously Utah is the hardest nut to crack un the
U.S. Mabey Idaho is right up there though. Montana possibly.Anyway
you are clearly upset at the thought of a lot of black people moving to Utah.
Try not to blow a gasket.
Billy Bob and Fiddler, AGREED! I was dismayed when I read that
racist statement. The NAACP would be going screaming racism if a white man were
to say they can go to certain places and not see blacks if they wanted to.
Unbelievable. Sad that this guy's kid was called a terrible word. But I have a
hard time feeling truly sorry for someone when the NAACP already does too well
of a job of convincing the black community to feel sorry for themselves.This man should be ashamed for his hypocritical racist statement.I too have a dream that one day my children will be treated not by the
color of their skin, and my kids are white. It appears clear there are many who
go to certain places to avoid people like my children for days at a time simply
because they are white
That's just sad that his son was called the n-word a couple weeks after starting
school. I can't imagine how isolated that kid will feel if that continues. I'm
hopefully confident that normal people will be the kid's friend.I've
lived in Utah, it's the only place I met an honest Neo-Nazi person. Even my family menbers that are LDS in Utah are a little bigoted I have to
say. They aren't living up to LDS standards in that respect which is sad seeing
how they are hispanic/white themselves.
The problem I have with Hotchkins is that he's criticizing the school and state
that gave him his teaching assistantship, which he was not able to get in
Oklahoma. I'm sorry that there are more white people than you'd like here, but
perhaps you should just be grateful for the opportunity that you were given here
that you weren't given elsewhere.
shintara, are you kidding??? "there are places I can go and not experience
racism and not see white people for days if I want to", that doesn't sound
racist??? Substitute white with the word black in that sentance. "there are
places I can go and not experience racism and not see black people for days if I
want to". If that was quoted by a white person, they'd never be able to live it
down.Is there racism in the state? Country? Of course, is it what it
was 50 years ago? Not even close. Once the race card disappears, so will most
racism. Once people can stop playing the victim, a lot of their problems will
also go away.
Re: Billy Bobwhat exactly was racist about his statement? It seems
pretty factual to me. The amount of racism that exists in Utah is abhorrent.
"In Oklahoma, there are places I can go and not experience racism and not see
white people for days if I want to," Hotchkins said. "There's no places like
that in Salt Lake." (said in the part of why there are challenges for blacks
living in Utah)Um... lets see here. You imply Utah is racist... and
then make a comment that sounds a bit racist itself (yes, believe it or not,
racism CAN go both ways). Dude, chill, and don't be so hypocritical. I think it
is good that there is beginning to be more racial diversity in Utah, but not if
they all have this attitude.
Excellent. As time goes on this place becomes even more vibrant culturally. This
also tells me that the increase means that people are understanding what a great
place this is to live, no matter what your ethnicity.