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Published: Thursday, June 10 2010 11:05 p.m. MDT

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Munk

Excellent. As time goes on this place becomes even more vibrant culturally. This also tells me that the increase means that people are understanding what a great place this is to live, no matter what your ethnicity.

Munk

Excellent. As time goes on this place becomes even more vibrant culturally. This also tells me that the increase means that people are understanding what a great place this is to live, no matter what your ethnicity.

Billy Bob

"In Oklahoma, there are places I can go and not experience racism and not see white people for days if I want to," Hotchkins said. "There's no places like that in Salt Lake." (said in the part of why there are challenges for blacks living in Utah)

Um... lets see here. You imply Utah is racist... and then make a comment that sounds a bit racist itself (yes, believe it or not, racism CAN go both ways). Dude, chill, and don't be so hypocritical. I think it is good that there is beginning to be more racial diversity in Utah, but not if they all have this attitude.

shintara

Re: Billy Bob

what exactly was racist about his statement? It seems pretty factual to me. The amount of racism that exists in Utah is abhorrent.

Fiddler

shintara, are you kidding??? "there are places I can go and not experience racism and not see white people for days if I want to", that doesn't sound racist??? Substitute white with the word black in that sentance. "there are places I can go and not experience racism and not see black people for days if I want to". If that was quoted by a white person, they'd never be able to live it down.

Is there racism in the state? Country? Of course, is it what it was 50 years ago? Not even close. Once the race card disappears, so will most racism. Once people can stop playing the victim, a lot of their problems will also go away.

RealityCheck

The problem I have with Hotchkins is that he's criticizing the school and state that gave him his teaching assistantship, which he was not able to get in Oklahoma. I'm sorry that there are more white people than you'd like here, but perhaps you should just be grateful for the opportunity that you were given here that you weren't given elsewhere.

Screwdriver

That's just sad that his son was called the n-word a couple weeks after starting school. I can't imagine how isolated that kid will feel if that continues. I'm hopefully confident that normal people will be the kid's friend.

I've lived in Utah, it's the only place I met an honest Neo-Nazi person.

Even my family menbers that are LDS in Utah are a little bigoted I have to say. They aren't living up to LDS standards in that respect which is sad seeing how they are hispanic/white themselves.

Chris B

Billy Bob and Fiddler,

AGREED! I was dismayed when I read that racist statement. The NAACP would be going screaming racism if a white man were to say they can go to certain places and not see blacks if they wanted to. Unbelievable. Sad that this guy's kid was called a terrible word. But I have a hard time feeling truly sorry for someone when the NAACP already does too well of a job of convincing the black community to feel sorry for themselves.

This man should be ashamed for his hypocritical racist statement.

I too have a dream that one day my children will be treated not by the color of their skin, and my kids are white. It appears clear there are many who go to certain places to avoid people like my children for days at a time simply because they are white

Screwdriver

Billy Bob's statement.

He was making a point that there ARE SO FEW blacks in UTAH.

Obviously Utah is the hardest nut to crack un the U.S. Mabey Idaho is right up there though. Montana possibly.

Anyway you are clearly upset at the thought of a lot of black people moving to Utah. Try not to blow a gasket.

raybies

IMO, it was a racist statement. He equates the viewing of white people (generally considered the caucasian race) with racist experiences he's endured.

Sadly when you are programmed to see yourself as a victim, you seldom see how you victimize others.

Fiddler

LOL, Screwdriver, your post is a perfect example of what white people have to go through. Everything we say about the matter, racist or not, is racist in the eyes of some black people. I've stopped caring about that a long time ago though. I'm going to say what I am going to say and if someone gets offended then oh well. Keep playing the martyr, we'll see how well a full life of feeling sorry for your self turns out.

John Pack Lambert of Michigan

It is sad to see how racist some people are. The 1:13 commentator is clearly racist. I just hope someone decides his comments are offensive and removes them. I clearly think they are.

Of the black people in my ward, one is a college graduate and the other two are college students. Since my ward is a singles ward with about 50 people this is not bad.

Of the black people in my stake, we have an assistant US attorney, a head of a helath-care company who run for congress as a Republican in Colorado in 2000 but did not prevail, a high school ROTC director, and several other upstanding and educated people.

John Pack Lambert of Michigan

How do these stats count people like Mayor Loves' children, only one of whom had been born by 2000? As the daughter of Haitian immigrants she is clearly black, but since her husband is white, how do her children get reported. There are many mixed race couples, the Boyes and the Baileys come to mind quickly, which is an angle the article fails to address.

Also, not all immigrants are refugees. Amram Musunga is an immigrant from Kenya but no refugee. While attending BYU I knew many international students from Africa.

A third group not addressed is adoptees. Whether international adoptees or adoptees from other states who are black they also contribute to an increse in the number of blacks.

Still, 1.8% is very low.

John Pack Lambert of Michigan

In the full figures at the end of the article the total lack of any listing of either other or "more than one race", which is two generalized categories avoided, makes it unclear if these are single reporting categories or if they are only including one-race reports in the counts.

Also, if the figures are what they say they are, many Hispanics are under the heading white. Being Hispanic is not a race according to census liturature. However, in realistic usage most Hispanics are not considered white.

A last issue is, are Turks white? It might not be that big an issue, but after reading the report on Beahive Academy I know there are some Turks in Utah, so it is a question that must be considered.

With all the talk of refugees from Somalia and other countries in Africa, I think the reported should have gone and actually talked to a refugee.

Fiddler

John Pack, who cares what the percentage is? When you say that 1.8% is very low, isn't that the same as saying that 98.2% is very high? I think a lot of people say things to score points with the other race. I'm fine with the percentage the way it is and could care less if it moves up or down.

utah guy

Sheesh. How about if we try to be accomodating to people of all races who move to our fine state for employment, education, or whatever the reason? Some of you look for an argument when one doesn't exist. Arguing over sematincs and statistics is just unproductive. I have a family member (in-law) who is black and was transferred here for work. She loves it here and never plans to leave.

Tom

It is kind of funny that us white people have to be so sensitive, We have received the majority of the perks in this country over its history. Why can't we just read the article and say "that is interesting" or something like that. Why when we make up such a large percentage of the population would we want to get defensive.

abr2116

As Utahns we tend to get a little bit hyper-sensitive about things, lets all relax for a minute and think about what the gentleman is saying.

Before commenting on race you need to ask yourself, have I ever been a minority? If you are white, Mormon, and live in Utah, you probably don't have much right to criticize a black man on racial issues. After all, as Mormons we don't have the best track record on issues relating to race.

juaneco


In my experience I’ve noticed that most of us tend to "react" to experiences and "understand" communications, like the article and the postings here, on a personal frame of reference; which is made out of our parent’s teachings, our culture and level of education, our fears and feelings, our life's previous experiences and our religious beliefs.
I am a white Hispanic living in a 5000 sf home in a beautiful, peaceful, middle income Lehi neighborhood and my kids have been called all kinds of expletives.
So when I read his comment "not see white people for days if I don't want to" I understood it as he saying "if I wanted to escape the name-calling, people staring at my family, feeling uncomfortable, not answer the too often asked "so...what made you come to Utah?" question, etc. for a few days, I could."
However, after I started to read other people's perspective and how THEY took it as an offense and as a racist comment then I read it again and understood how that can be.
I wish we could all become less easily offended and more open minded

UtahUte16

"...That until the color of a man's skin is of no more significance than the color of his eyes..."
-Bob Maryley

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