Quantcast

Comments about ‘Utah Jazz: Six more players will work out for Jazz on Thursday’

Return to article »

Published: Wednesday, June 9 2010 5:01 p.m. MDT

Comments
  • Oldest first
  • Newest first
  • Most recommended
jazzfan86

The only ones worth mentioning are Whiteside and Udoh. The rest aren't even worth the consideration of the Jazz

Bugoff

I saw an interesting analysis on a draft site where they had developed a chart of top NBA draft picks based on thier college offensive efficiency on the vertical axis and percentage of the total team possesions used by each player on the horizontal axis.

That compares the current draft picks to the last 2 years picks based on college performance.

Udoh ranked high in efficiency and medium in usage. In other words of all of the current crop of Bigs he was efficient and he carried his share of the scoring for his team. He was better than Monroe. The rest of the current bigs looked like busts compared to previous drafts.

I will try to find it again but DN will not allow links.

Bugoff

Draft Express has added sortable stats for all of the draft players for +/- and shot selection. That can tell you a lot about shooting range and style of play.

George, Henry, Anderson and Hayward look like prolific and efficient 3 point shooters. Monroe is an inside man.

byronbca

Re Jazzfan86:
I couldn’t disagree more, Aldrich might be the best all around defensive center in this draft, and the Jazz’s biggest weakness is defending the paint. You have to bring in Aldrich if for no other reason than to check him off your draft list and test Udoh and Whiteside.

If the Jazz think Aldrich is too slow for the NBA, but he ends up overpowering Whitiside and Udoh then they can check them off their draft list too. I love this lineup!

And as for Brackens and Scheyer last time I checked the Jazz still have the 55th pick.

Bugoff

Babbit and George lead in net plus minus/40, followed by Favors, Torrance, Aminu, Anderson, Udoh and Hayward.

Bugoff

It took a while but I found it. "Grading the NBA Draft's Big Men on Offense" on NBA Fan House compares the current 2010 drafees with the 2 previous draft years.

Based on a matrix of efficency and usage Cousins and Harangody are pretty similar to B Lopez and Griffin.

Favors actually looks worse than Udoh, Davis and Aldrich.

Patterson is very high on efficiency but low on usage. Zoubek has a similar pattern. it would be a matter of getting them more touches.

Anyway the players have more dimensions than the 2 listed above but offensive efficiency is an important criteria.

jepe

aldrich is shorter than boozer. he's really 6'8", though he's listed as 6'10". there's no way that he'll effectively play center in the nba. i'm glad they're bringing whiteside, udoh and patterson. i'm even glad they're bringing aldrich in, but heaven help me if the jazz draft him.

Captain L

The more info we get the better, thanks.
It is frustrating that we aren't getting any feedback as to how the players are performing.
I know Monroe looked good in his workout but not much else was given.
I know KOC thought the group of wings were competitive, but no word on each player's performance was given.
I'm interested to hear how Udoh does.
If anyone hears anything about these player the Jazz are or have worked out have been doing in their workouts please let us know what you find out.

The Final Word

No kidding. If we draft another 6'8" guy and pretend he is actually a "BIG" I will vomit.

Boozer and Millsap are talented but they have already proven that undersized guys can't get it done against the elite teams with legit bigs.

Aldrich would be a horrible draft pick. Defensive player in college hardly means he will be that in the NBA. Go watch the finals if you don't understand that.

I'm not convinced there are going to be many if any impact players available at 9 slot. Package the pick and player for a trade or move up. We don't need anymore undersized "hard workers" on this team.

Winglish

Re: Bugoff

+/- is kind of a skewed statistic, though, because it favors the players who play against weaker competition, a la Babbit and George who both gain strides because they play against lesser defenses.

I noticed that if you went off of the +/- statistic that Jimmer Freddette is a top 10 talent in the NCAA and Jonathan Tavernari would go early in the second round :)

sport opinion

Here is what the Jazz do with the draft:
With their 9 pick get a wing or post player (whichever they feel is more talented on the board): Luke Babbit/Xavier Henry... or Udoh/Aldrich/Whiteside.
Trade Ante Tomic to Minnesota for the 16 or 23rd pick. Take whichever position they didn't take with the 9. James Anderson as a wing or Patrick Patterson/Jeff Sanders in the post.
They could come away with Babbit and Patterson... or Udoh and James Anderson from this draft (best case scenarios).

If Monroe is that good, then trade Wesley Matthews to move up and get him. Still make the trade with Minnesota to get a wing with 16 or 23.

cval1

I think at this time of year, we always tend to overrate the impact of the draft on next years team.

Rarely (with a handful of notable exceptions) does the draft change the direction of next years team in a noticeable way.

Use the draft in two ways.

1) Draft people who will give you a future.
2) Trade draft picks for guys who will help immediately.

Even the top guys in the draft are risks. People like Wesley Matthews and Paul Millsap make it clear that you know a lot more about a guys NBA potential after the first year, not before.

The draft is an important tool for building a franchise, but its effects are rarely appreciable in the short term.

I doubt there will be any sure things available at #9. They all have strengths and weaknesses. You do your best to scout and prepare for the draft, but its usually long term, not short term planning.

Bugoff

I think the +/- tells you that particular player was really important to his team. It may be a weak indicator that they have experience carrying a team.

Henry has a negative +/- that might be because other members could carry the team or maybe he is a volume shooter?

Mathews shoots 5% better than Henry (and CJ) and should get much better fast. Trading him is not a bright move.

The Jazz are based on efficiency. If you give Sloan players who can actually make 3 point shots he will use the 3 point shot more.

KOC/Miller can indirectly control what Sloan does on court by the players they give him.

Bugoff

Mathews defends about as well or maybe better than CJ. Further, his defense and shooting improved all year. His playoff numbers were down but that is against great not average competition.

Since Mathews shoots better than CJ it would not be surprising if Mathews got 3-4 million (CJ has 3.7). However, players like JJ Redick are available in a bad contract year (unless you are a super star).

Would you rather have Redick or Mathews for 4-5.5 million?

Raja Bell is an FA and knows the system. He may or may not be willing to come back and he may not be the same after surgery. If he is good to go he has a very high WP48 and his current team does not value him.

The Jazz will be okay at SG.

If you give Sloan players at C/PF who defend the defense will improve. If you don't he will try to max the offense.

Give Sloan the right players and the Jazz contend. Give him flawed players and the Jazz keep doing the same weak playoff dance.

byronbca

Re jepe:

Aldrich is 6'9" barefoot and 6'11.25" with shoes with a standing reach of 9'3.5"

Boozer is 6'7.75" barefoot and 6'9.5" with shoes with a standing reach of 9'0.5"

These were there measurements at the pre draft combine.

blauch

Adrich wore the tallest shoes in the entire combine. Didn't anyone tell him that they measure you without shoes

Example
Aldrich is 6'9" barefoot and 6'11.25" with shoes on

Whitside is 6'10.5" barefoot and 6'11.5" with shoes on.

Davis is 6'9 bare foot and 6'9.75 with shoes on.

Seriously who where shoes with 2.25" soles on them.
But Even with those shoes Davis was able to have 6" on vertical jump reach

My Ranking of bigs

Favors - Gone
Cousins - Gone
Davis (he is slipping in the draft, but he is clearly the best athlete, and has the most upside. He has 6" higher vertical jump than any other big man outside of Favors - he is so young)
Monroe - is take him if he is there (Davis or Monroe will be taken by Detroit so take who ever else is there)

Udoh
I know there is a lot of love with Udoh because of has shot blocking ability and height but he has Zero Post game.
Patterson - Millsap part 2.
Aldrich
Whitesides - ANYONE BUT HIM

Captain L

Re Blauch : Regarding Udoh's postup game, I'm not too worried about that, he is a hard worker, so that will come, what I like about Udoh is his passing, shotblocking and defense. His offense is more from outside in, he handles the ball very well for a 6'10 player and his game is probably more like Odom.
That is a possible problem with Udoh, he is on the weak side and not as physical as we might like.
Monroe would be better if you want a low post scorer as your PF.
Patterson probably would be the most complete player of the PF's but he is more like Booz. not as tall or long as we need.
I'm sure with these workouts the Jazz will be able to tell which player would be the best to pick and if the PF they like is not there I hope they take Babbitt.

Bugoff

I just watched Tony Allen guard Kobe. This is the 3rd game where he did very well on Kobe. Allen is an unrestricted FA making 2.5 mill. His WP48 is .156.

The Jazz need to pick him up. He can shoot and can defend.

He may be cheaper than Mathews. It would be nice to have both.

kstep15

Do your best Jared!!

to comment

DeseretNews.com encourages a civil dialogue among its readers. We welcome your thoughtful comments.
About comments