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Published: Monday, June 7 2010 10:20 p.m. MDT

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SME

So if they actually reach $125,000 per year, in 30 years they'll break even (not counting interest). Will the windmill last 30 years?

dave31

If the $125K savings is real net savings after maintenance and repair costs are deducted, that will yield a return on invetment of 3.29%. That's not a wonderful return! In order to make this a sensible investment, the net investment cost must be reduced dramatically. Perhaps this may be possible as more units are produced and as we learn to reduce the costs of site preparation, etc.

I hope the estimates of savings and the estimate of the investment do not reflect current government accounting methods which generally underestimate the cost and overestimate the return.

LDS Tree-Hugger

SME & dave31

1. 25% of renewable CLEAN energy reduces emissions into our atmosphere by.... 25% !!!

2. and 30 years of continuously burning coal 24/7 saves us what?

3. Doing Something is ALWAYS better than doing NOTHING at all !!!


Saddest of all is that 3rd world places like India and China ahead in the development of these technolgies.

We should be ashamed.....

42istheanswer

Only reason coal & oil are cheap is because we allow them to be.

RedShirt

To "SME | 7:09 a.m." and "dave31 | 7:59 a.m." they are only able to save that much because wind power receives over $24.34/Megawatt hour subsidies from the government. So, if the government pays itself extra for each Megawatt hour of electricity produced, do they save anything at all?

RedShirt

To "LDS Tree-Hugger | 8:29 a.m." why not put up a nuclear power plant out there?

It would produce clean-renewable energy, AND has the effect of not chopping up birds. It is also a relatively quiet power source compared to wind turbines.

LDS Tree-Hugger

RedShirt | 12:06 p.m. June 8, 2010
To "LDS Tree-Hugger | 8:29 a.m." why not put up a nuclear power plant out there?

It would produce clean-renewable energy, AND has the effect of not chopping up birds. It is also a relatively quiet power source compared to wind turbines.
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CleanER than fossil fuels - YES
Re-newable - NO


BTW - as a tree-hugger,
I'm 100% in favor of Nuclear Power.
It's all part of being open-minded.

RedShirt

To "LDS Tree-Hugger | 12:17 p.m. " nuclear power is renewable. Look up and see how we can reprocess spent fuel rods. Also look up how one of the byproducts, weapons grade plutonium, can be used in new reactors to produce more power.

The best part of nuclear power is that it uses its own waste to provide more power.

Read the article "Wind + coal = More pollution than coal alone, new study claims" in the The Holland Sentinel.

Do some research about how wind farms end up polluting more than a coal or gas power plant. Wind farms pollute more because they require a coal or gas power plant to idle, burning the very fuel they are intended to save.

If you want to make a viable replacement power source, find one that produces constant power under any weather, 24 hours a day.

lost in DC

tree hugger and 42,

do YOU pay the extra to Rocky Mountain Power for renewable energy?

Eco-Weenie

LDS Tree-Hugger | 8:29 a.m.

"Saddest of all is that 3rd world places like India and China ahead in the development of these technolgies. We should be ashamed....."

Developing isn't as important as implementing.

The US now has more wind power installed than any other country, including China.

Meanwhile, according to the NYTimes, China is adding coal-fired electrical generating capacity far faster than it is adding wind power. By 2020, China is expected to get 75% of it's electricity from coal. We currently get about 45%. What does China know that we don't?

Maybe that's what we should be ashamed about.

dave31

To "LDS Tree Hugger" I suppose you will always be willing to "do something" rather than "nothing" as long as it is other people's money that is being spent! In order to make this more than a tree hugger's pipe dream, it is important to be economically feasible. Otherwise it is somewhat akin to a guy wetting his pants in a dark blue suit. It gives him a "nice warm feeling" but no one else really notices.

D'Anconia

@SME

You're absolutely right. Wind energy is so inefficient and expensive. That's why it has to be so heavily subsidized. Windmills are great for PR and might give us a big warm fuzzy, but there is a reason they are so costly. Their construction requires tons of natural resources and energy, which far outweigh the energy we get out of them.

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