To Fredd - yes, women need to be called up by righteous priesthood holders. So
do the men, though. Everyone does.
Raybies, I never see “livid, vitriolic vilification” of Mormons on
these message boards. Why are you so upset?
@raybies "I get the feeling that most people who are commenting on this article
didn't actually read it."It appears that most people who are
commenting here are commenting on the comments, not the article."All
you anti-mormon haters, grow up. Your clueless agenda-mongering is showing. Why
not try being a decent human being, and stop perpetuating the livid vitriolic
nonsense that is PRECISELY what this honest historian has exposed in her
research.I repeat. GROW UP!"Charles, a Mormon critic who
posts often, said (first post): "Get a clue. Mormon men ("priesthood holders")
ignore Mormon women too."That is what people are commenting on. I
hardly see how disagreeing with Charles and Fredd and presenting arguments to
counter Charles' and Fredd's arguments is considered "clueless agenda-mongering"
and "perpetuating the livid vitriolic nonsense". But think what you want.
The priesthood is much more then service, it's power.
I really enjoyed the article. I thank Catherine for her willingness to help
educate all of us. I believe the BSU comment was accurate, and have
often wondered why so many historians have overlooked the major contributions of
Utah and Mormon women. I know there are those who are anti-Mormon
here on the Deseret News every day (Vanka seems to admit to being so) and every
where else. I always try to not let their bitterness become mine.
I really enjoyed the article and some of the comments. I was also always
taught to respect women, by both my LDS parents. Like BSU says, "Priesthood is
service, why add that to a full plate?"As far as I know the rest of
the BSU comment was accurate also. You would think that more historians would
focus on the contributions of these LDS women. Thanks to Catherine for the
article and for her willingness to reach out to others and educate us all.Vanka admits to being an anti-Mormon. There are some who seem to
be on the Deseret News every day. They don't seem to care if you are female or
male, if you are LDS they will hate you all the same.
I thought a woman had to have a priesthood holder bring her into heaven. Could
be father, brother, etc if not husband. I might be wrong. But it seems I've
read that in various sources.
Yeah! What Ray says! All you anti-mormon haters stop hating on us
anti-mormons!Ray, you crack me up!
I get the feeling that most people who are commenting on this article didn't
actually read it. The historian in question is NOT LDS. She has
noted a trend among NON-LDS historians to ignore mormon women. This
says nothing of the LDS men, or their historians... in fact it implies the
opposite. All you anti-mormon haters, grow up. Your clueless
agenda-mongering is showing. Why not try being a decent human being, and stop
perpetuating the livid vitriolic nonsense that is PRECISELY what this honest
historian has exposed in her research. I repeat. GROW UP!You may even find there are valuable and virtuous lessons you can learn from
the people you have knee-jerk decided to villify. --Ray
To FREDD at 12:36. A Mormon woman, gets into Heaven the same way a Mormon man
does, by living the commandments of God to the best of her ability. I think what
you might be referring to has to do with the marriage sealing in heaven, but
again, it depends on the righteousness of the individuals. Many righteous women
are married to unrighteous men, and that will not keep them "out of heaven". God
is absolutely fair and just, and will deal with each person according to his or
her efforts to be obedient to His commandments.
I believe NON MORMON historians ignore mormon women, becaue they
have an ANTI MORMON agenda, and a negative image of mormons they
I will add my voice to so many who have praised women in the LDS faith. I cannot
say enough about how women are respected and loved in the LDS faith. I find it
more than curious that a few critics(above) fail to acknowledge that the Twelve
as picked by our Saviour were all men. Let me be somewhat blunt here to the
critics: none of this should matter to you as you refuse to accept our claim(s)
that the LDS Church is the true Church of Jesus-Christ.
In evangelical churches, we believe women are priests in the royal priesthood of
believers (1 Peter 2:5).Tony
@Vanka. You'd probably also like other affirmative action items in heaven, such
as some homosexual angels, or maybe God should have made Jesus Christ be a
woman, or something. What's with all this homogeny?!? Why doesn't God just get
a clue?!? Or maybe he knows some things we don't...hmmm.....Sorry
for my irreverence and sarcasm. I just wonder how many times this point needs
to be brought up. I'll try to learn more patience.
As soon as there is a woman in the Quorum of the 12 or the First Presidency,
then and ONLY then will you know that women are "equals" and are not "ignored"
in the LDS Church.
My bad. After taking care of the house, kids, and husband why would a woman
want to have equal power before God? How does a woman get into heaven? Doesn't
a priesthood holder have to summon her? (more or less)
I don't know, ever since I was about 12 I've paid a lot of attention to mormon
women. heeee heee, blush.I just watched a nice documentary about
Emma Smith. I was very touched by her strength and kindness. I wish I could vote
for her for President.
Re: FreddWomen are not excluded from the priesthood. When sealed for
eternity in the temple, they are joint-holdiers of that priesthood with their
husband. They do not exercise that power in the same way, because that is not
their calling. Read the Family Proclamation. It outlines the different
responsibilities that men and women have been given. Their callings are
different, but they are not unequal.
My mother, a former General Church officer from East LA, always taught me about
the wonderful contributions of Mormon women. She expressed the attitude, which I
agree with, that a mother’s prayer, or blessing, was one of the most
powerful of blessings. It was Lucy’s prayers that saved Joseph more than
once. And priesthood is service, why do women need to add that to the full
plate? I was taught, and I’m not sure where each of
these ideas came from, but some were certainly from my mother, that: Utah and
Mormon women were some of Americas first female Lawyers and Doctors, and Utah
women were first to vote, and many other things. The media (besides DN) and
historians typically leave these facts out and events such as M. Meadows seems
to be all they want to discuss of Utah History. I’ve also noticed (especially after reading “Hearken Oh Ye
People” and the wonderful discussions of Black Pete, and the major African
cultural contributions in the formation of the Church) that historians also tend
to leave discussions of Black LDS out of the picture. Is this
ok monitor? I've changed it 5 times.
@FreddGod has made it so that the men hold the Priesthood. It is His
Priesthood - let him grant it to whom He desires. Women are given other gifts
such as spirituality, etc. that often exceed men. The Mormon women are,
generally, more active and more dedicated in the LDS Church than the men are.Sorry, Fredd and Charles, the facts are overwhelmingly against your
These false stereotypes have been perpetuated since the restoration of the
church in an effort to discredit the priesthood leadership of the church.In my experience, Latter-day Saint women are some of the most educated,
most capable, and most respected of all women on the earth. The over-whelming
majority of righteous priesthood holders understand and respect the true role of
women in the eternal scheme of things-as eternal partners and co-equals in the
eternal family.Of course there are those so-called PH holders who do
not truly understand the true nature of women and continue to abuse them and
their children. President Hinckley used to remind the brethren about their
obligation to honor women in almost every Priesthood session of General
Conference.Unfortunately it is these few abusive men and the modern
media that continue to perpetuate the myth of weak women and cause so many of
our women and young women to doubt themselves and suffer from lack of
Mormon's exclude women from the priesthood. What greater example of ignoring
them do you need?
Charles, sadly I wonder, why do you feel we (men) ignore LDS women. Let’s
see, not at family pray, not at family scripture study, not for family home
evening, not on Sundays, not during any meals, not when were sick, feeling
depressed, or giddy with excitement or joy. Not on date night, not at any family
outings or activities, not when we are trying to fulfill our or her church
callings, not during any humanitarian assistance activates, not during
birthdays, not during anniversaries, in fact if it were not for my wife, almost
none of the for-mentioned would have been even half a success. Maybe you are
not following the prescribed formula for family success? I am eternally
grateful for the LDS women in my life, and praise them and wish them all the
blessings from heaven that they can obtain; sadly, your experiences must have
been substandard to have such a poor belief in the structure of the family. I
will pray for you tonight.
Unfortunately, historians have been neglecting all women for ages, not just LDS
Charles, I have to definitely disagree with that. With very few exceptions, all
of the men I know, who are active in the Church and live the doctrines, are very
respectful of women. All of the General Authorities are, also, and often talk
about it in their talks and articles. Of course, there are "Mormon" men who are
not respectful, and who ignore women, but that is true of any religion, or no
religion. That depends on the individual person. Personally, I'm grateful for
the priesthood holders who are in my life, and who add so much to my family.
Get a real clue,they have an agenda,and an image of the
mormons they wish to project,and they will not let the truth get in
the way.apparently "Charles" has that same agenda of hate.
Charles:I have no doubt that your statement would have been correct
if you had been a bit more restrained. Certainly "some" Mormon men ignore
Mormon women. Your statement, however, is patently false and displays more
about your attitudes of the LDS church and culture than it says about how LDS
men view LDS women. Please be a bit more restrained and you will be more
Men in general 'ignore' women, unless they have internalized the attitudes of
freedom that are taught by various religions and groups. The teachings of the
LDS church (if you read them, you'll see this) are adamantly against the
degradation of any women. Men who do it anyway are in violation of the church's
standards and will, according to what is taught, be condemned at the last day.