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  • Jazz2Win
    May 30, 2010 7:50 a.m.

    Even with a better defensive center I worry about Boozer's durability. I think Milsap could take over for him without much drop off at the PF position but either one needs a defensive center to help out as they are both undersized compared to the Lakers.

  • toddfromsantaana
    May 30, 2010 1:40 a.m.

    You guys need to save your energy. It needs to be proven that management will make the changes needed. "Lockenheim" thoughts I could care less about

    The "sloanaholics" again are the ones that allow all of this. The feeling "who cares about getting closer to the Lakers" Let us be "fun and competitive. The fans in Utah except for a few smart ones, me included, are VERY CONTENT with this squad and management. They do not care about titles/

  • Bugoff
    May 28, 2010 11:18 p.m.

    PHO had 7 players with 37% in 3s and 1770 attempts to rank 6th. They ranked 1st in 3 point shooting percentage.

    ORL had 6 players plus Carter at 36.7%. They shot 2241 attempts, the most in the NBA.

    I am not saying the Jazz should become a fun and gun or an inside out team. I am suggesting they need to emulate BOS and improve their defense and add some 3 point plays and 3 point capability.

    If they put more inside/outside balance into the offense they will be able to blast the paint open and space the floor.

    That makes the Sloan flex very efficient and almost impossible to stop. If they don't do it then they will keep losing to paint packers with big front lines.

    I am tired of losing. A couple of simple adjustments would make a big difference.

    5 extra rebounds, a couple of more 3s, better interior defense, more balance in the offense. These are the types of changes that cause the Jazz to advance in the playoffs.

    The problem is FO, Coaching and players. A few changes make a big difference in results.

  • Bugoff
    May 28, 2010 10:58 p.m.

    I do agree with Sloan's basic philosophy of efficiency. I gets high marks for putting in the defensive evaluation this year. He deserves a lot of credit for doing a lot with in sufficient talent. Sloan is a very good coach.

    However, his refusal to make adjust for the 3,get enough good players and replace players when better is needed, put a ceiling on the Jazz success.

    It is not all Sloan's fault. It is also KOC, Rigby and eventually Millers. Give Sloan the right players with the right capability and he will make the necessary adjustments.

    The Celtics had 7 players this season who shot 37% or better from the 3 line. BOS made 1433 attempts and ranked 16th in attempts. They are not a 3 point team. BOs has a good defense and both inside and outside efficiency.

    UT had 4 players (not CJ, AK or Price) above 37% and made only 1207 attempts to rank 25th in attempts. They do not shoot enough 3s. They do not use the 3 as a weapon.

    It only takes 1 or 2 more efficient 3 point shooters to fix the problem.

    An SF upgrade is needed.

  • durwood kirby
    May 28, 2010 10:39 p.m.

    I'm sure that most DNews readers are happy to let the market dictate the outcome.

  • Captain L
    May 28, 2010 10:08 p.m.

    There are 11 small forwards listed in the 2011 mock drafts 1st round. So this year they need to find a long, athletic, defensive minded PF and address the sm F need either in the FA market or by trade or in the 2nd round and look to draft a SF next year in the first round.

  • Captain L
    May 28, 2010 9:58 p.m.

    I give Sloan alot of credit, he is a Hall of Fame coach but I have two main complaints about his coaching. First he doesn't use the 3 pt shot as a weapon, he doesn't build confidence in his players and their 3 pt shooting, because he doesn't like it and only wants it shot when they have to. He needs to develop plays that are designed to get his players open 3 pt shots.
    Second, he doesn't develop young players very well, unless they are hustle type players, like Mathews and Milsap. CJ, Fes, & KK struggle with confidence and develop slowly because of the way Sloan coaches, he is a negative reinforcement type coach.
    I hope the Jazz bring in most of the players we mention for workouts and really do their homework.
    I would like to see and hear how Udoh does and Whiteside is very tempting to go after because of his length and skills. He sees himself as a Kevin Garnett type player, more than a Camby type. He is a better shooter and has alot more offense to his game.

  • Bugoff
    May 28, 2010 9:13 p.m.

    I am watching the BOS ORL game. It is clear that Sloan's refusal to use the 3 point shot and his refusal to get sufficient players who can shoot the 3 doom the Jazz of ever getting a championship.

    The Sloan flex has to be updated to include the ability to switch from the inside game to an effective outside game. There has to be both inside and outside shooting efficiency.

    Depending on only inside efficiency dooms the Jazz. They will get the inside game stopped by packed paint and poor rebounding.

    The refusal to develop specific plays for the 3 and use it as a weapon dooms the Jazz.

    The refusal of the Jazz Organization to make changes and modernize and adapt to the changes in the NBA leave UT in its own little time warp. It may get them into the playoff but they can't beat the elite teams who can defend, play inside and play outside.

    BOS, ORL and PHO are great 3 teams. LA is streaky. UT is not a good 3 team and is sitting home.

  • Captain L
    May 28, 2010 8:46 p.m.

    I like Johnson, but he is supposed to go in the first 4 or 5 picks.

  • Bugoff
    May 28, 2010 8:11 p.m.

    I think that one of Udoh, Johnson, Davis or maybe Whitesides depending on who is available. Various mocks have vastly different orders that keep changing as more info comes in.

    I do not see a great C in this draft. Especially one who can play this year. I do see several good (maybe great PF/SFs). I think the Jazz will go in that direction.

    With Boozer leaving and Okur out they need talent now in the front line.

    They need someone who can defend and score with some length.

  • Captain L
    May 28, 2010 6:32 p.m.

    Udoh, 1st
    Whiteside, 2nd
    Monroe, 3rd ( poor athleticism, drops him some)
    Orton,
    Davis,
    Sanders,
    Aldrich,
    Babbit
    Right now this would be my priority list. It will change as more info comes but for now this is how I would see it.

    Lock just talked about Monroe and how he turns the ball over 33% when he goes right and 21% of the time when he goes left. Not too good. That coupled with his poor athleticism has him going slightly down for now.

  • Bugoff
    May 28, 2010 4:52 p.m.

    I have studied Okur both qualitatively and quantitatively. He turns it on and off. He can play inside when he wants to but that is not very often. He is a primary reason the Jazz are Jeckle and Hyde. He is not the only reason.

    He was not better this year. He has gotten worse for the last 4 years. He did score and rebound more when Boozer was out. The team was weaker without Boozer but no one replaced Millsap.

    Would the Jazz be better with Boozer and a better C. Yes. Would the Jazz be better with out Okur and Boozer. It depends on who replaces them.

    The answer is Millsap and AK can play FP well enough as long as AK is cloned and the Jazz get a real C.

    Right now I do not see the ideal PF available to the Jazz. That is not a reason to kill the team by overpaying Boozer for 6 years.

    Get by with Millsap until you can get the right PF. In the mean time fix the C and plan for the future at SF. These changes need to be made anyway.

    Move up for a 2nd pick.

  • Bugoff
    May 28, 2010 4:44 p.m.

    Boozer would better if he played with a real C. However, that does not erase the money and injury problems. How do the Jazz get a decent C if they resign Boozer?

    One subtle problem with Boozer is this. As CJ said "Booz has to get his touches". The Jazz warp around Boozer. Personality wise this is not really Sloan or DWill's team. Everything revolves around Boozer.

    The Jazz offense is to dependent on the PF position with Boozer in it. It unbalances the team. Just ask LA how easy it is to beat the Jazz with most of the offense designed to run thru Boozer.

    For the Jazz to win a championship they have to have more balance. Forget about getting a super star, you won't.

    However, the Jazz can do like DET did and get 4 (maybe 5) very good players and a great bench and win that way. That type of team is balanced. It can win more than one way. It is versatile enough to sustain injury and beat different playoffs teams with different styles or strengths.

    It starts with Defense and Boozer is a weakness. A C does not change that.

  • Bugoff
    May 28, 2010 3:02 p.m.

    If you resign Boozer he might play 65% of his games over the next 6 years. That means you need someone as good a Boozer to back him up.

    If you take Boozer out of the Jazz system he is not a top 5 PF maybe top 10 (above average). If you put David Lee or Love into the Jazz PF system they will put up better numbers than Boozer.

    Boozer is a broken reed. You can not build a championship team around him. The only way you keep him is if he signs for cheap and that is not an option. Even if he signed for 12 mill where is the money to sign Mathews, Fes and Korver or replace them.

    If you give Boozer a 3-5 million raise you still have the same problem. Losing Millsap with a good contract is not worth retaining Boozer with a really bad contract.

    Paying the luxury tax to get worse is not really bright. I can't really believe the FO is that dumb and paranoid about making changes that have to be made.

    If you can sign and trade Boozer for players you really want.

  • Jazz Source
    May 28, 2010 3:01 p.m.

    Boozer is not as good as we need because we don't have a true Center.

    If we did he would be just fine.

    Pair him with a defensive, rebounding, shot-blocking Center and the two of them would be a good tandem.

    The reality is that Okur is not the defensive, although improved this past season, Center to properly complement Boozer.

    Would anyone be complaining about Boozer if he were playing beside Gasol/Kaman/Howard/Garnett/Haywood/Ming?

    Not nearly so much if at all.

  • Bugoff
    May 28, 2010 2:36 p.m.

    Whitesides numbers are actually better than Brook Lopez. And very similar to JaVale McGee.

    Davis and Plaistad's numbers are pretty similar. Is he doing anything in Europe or where ever he is?

  • Bugoff
    May 28, 2010 2:28 p.m.

    Millsap may be posturing?

    It may be a trial balloon to help Boozer get more money, floated by who knows?

    It probably is some writer who needs a column?

    It may mean the Jazz are really dumb enough to give Boozer a max and are going to destroy the team in the process.

    Millsap does not demand a trade unless Boozer is resigned. Further, Boozer will probably play more C than PF for at least a year. So why demand a trade now?

    If Millsap demands a trade and IF UT actually does it he might be traded for a decent C.

    Does anyone know how Koufos's combine numbers compare with Aldrich's? I suspect that the Jazz are better off with Koufos. If so then my first choice is Udoh unless there is some crazy drop.

    Based on Aldrich's numbers I am inclined to think taking the risk on Whiteside is a better bet. Aldrich can't jump and can't shoot. That is not a good combination.

  • Bohonker
    May 28, 2010 1:17 p.m.

    BleacherReport in their NBA Mock Draft report mentions that Millsap has requested to be traded....if true what's up with that, ingratitude?

  • Bugoff
    May 28, 2010 1:08 p.m.

    If healthy, the Jazz might be able to pick up Raja Bell in FA for very reasonable. He knows the system. He has a great WP48. He plays great defense. GS does not seem to care about him.

    Would he come back?

    It is not just a matter of getting a shot blocker at PF. You have to have a C who can also play defense. If you get both then you can disrupt LA.
    A shot blocking PF from the draft is only the first step.

    You also need more 3 point shooting. PHO is a perfect example of that. The only time UT beat LA this year was with fantastic 3 point shooting. It is the rebounding, defense and 3 point shooting that is needed to beat LA.

    Instead the Jazz go inside against the packed paint and their shooting percentage goes DOWN not up. Sloan's philosophy back fires and hurts the team. The TOs go UP. Then he talks about taking to many jump shots (broken plays).

    There has to be a modification of both players and approach to beat teams like LA.

    Sloan and his worn out playbook are major problems against LA.

  • Jesse
    May 28, 2010 12:22 p.m.

    Yeah Locke and Bagley went on and on about how everyone on the message boards and blogs have it all wrong, how the #9 pick isn't about getting by the Lakers and how they don't understand why fans have bought in to PK's theory that the Jazz need a shot blocker. Well I don't think the pick will immediatley put us over the Lakers, but if possible, it should be geared towards that. I also don't think fans got the idea that the Jazz need a shot blocker in the middle from PK. It was probably all of us collectively watching games with our own eyes. Run all the numbers you want, but a shot blocker will help the entire defense. Guys can be more aggressive on the perimeter because they know they have help on the inside. That 3pt D that everyone gripes about will suddenly become better. Imagine being able to defend an opposing big w/o having to double every time down. I'll keep dreaming.

  • Bugoff
    May 28, 2010 11:01 a.m.

    The primary reasons I like Udoh is that he can help now, he is not high risk, he is going to make a rotation, he has enough potential that he could become very good.

    However, his upper body strength could improve and he does not like contact. If you have a banger C to go with him he works nicely.

    Whiteside and Davis have more upside potential? But they are young and more risky. Both are thin. How much weight will they add? How fast will they progress?

    Aldrich is a back up C. He is like Gortat. He should be solid. He will make some progress on his weaknesses. He is not a great offensive player and not likely to become one. He is not a dominant defensive player but should become pretty good. He probably can't play PF well? He should be able to play now.

    Monroe has a lot of potential and is looking more risky as we get more information. The fact that he is one handed and has not tried to fixed it is a major flag for me.

    Thanks for the numbers on Henry.

    There is talent in the 2nd. Move up.

  • Big_Ben
    May 28, 2010 10:55 a.m.

    Jesse, did locke and bagley really say that? What a joke. Those two kiss butt constantly and if locke slightly disagrees with something the organization does (ie have scalloped potatoes at the pre game meal when locke would like mashed), bagley starts talking about how brave locke is to challenge jazz authority. two knuckleheads.

  • Captain L
    May 28, 2010 9:16 a.m.

    Jesse : Your right, Lock is a numbers guy, but from what Bugoff showed Udoh's rebounding numbers were just as good as any of the other prospects. That makes me feel better about Udoh because I have liked what I have seen from him since I started looking at the possiibilies in the draft, couple of months ago.
    The more information we get the better we can evaluate what certain players bring to the table.
    Aldrich's numbers in the athletic performance portion of the combine weren't very impressive and that has been my concern when considering him, he just isn't very athletic.(slow & no hops). Bigs often don't have great hops but Udoh, Whiteside and Davis at least are decent.
    Monroe, was poor too.

  • Jesse
    May 28, 2010 8:33 a.m.

    Doug, if Booz is your #4 PF, then please show your top 5. Like BR pointed out, you have to play both sides of the floor, so take that into account.

    Captain L, I don't think you can put a ton of stock into anything Locke says. Locke doesn't really look past the numbers and admitted he hadn't really seen him play much. Also, Locke and Ben 'lap dog' Bagley don't think the Jazz need a shot blocker or length with the #9 pick, we just need a good player. Well if that player has the same deficiencies as our current roster, we'll end up just the same. They are company guys and whoever the Jazz pick will be the right guy according to them, just wait and see.

  • Captain L
    May 28, 2010 8:16 a.m.

    I really like Henry, I saw him alittle at the combine, he looks athletic, and skilled, the problem with him is he doesn't do much but shoot, I think he can but so far he's like CJ, a outside shooter that needs to develop other parts of his game. Plus he is 6'6 and we have CJ and Mathews to play that spot.
    We need tall & long, we can't forget our goal or needs and that is players to help us matchup with the Lakers & other long teams.
    Henry's numbers are : 28.5 & 36.5 verts, 8 bench, ll.1 & 3.2.

  • Bugoff
    May 28, 2010 1:39 a.m.

    Davis shoots really well (57%) but does not shoot 3s. Some drafts have UT taking him. I would not feel bad about him at all. He may actually be better than Udoh in the long run. Udoh needs to get stronger. He is older than Davis. Davis may be quick enough to play at SF?

    Babbit shoots the 3 really well. I think you could get him later in the 1st round. It costs 3 mill for 1st round picks. Maybe a little less for really late.

    I hope the Jazz get both a PF/C and a SF.

    Whiteside has great potential and less risk than Cousins. He reminds me of Thebeet. He will take some time to develop and probably can't help much next year. Not sure how he and Sloan will get along.

    What were Henry's numbers? I am not sold on him.

    I think the Jazz may be able to get a C with the Harp exemption. They may also be able to do a sign and trade with Booz and get back a C and PF/SF.

    If you gave Sloan players who could shoot the 3 he might use it more.

  • Captain L
    May 28, 2010 12:03 a.m.

    Babbit's numbers weren't that bad, 29.5 & 37.5 verts, (pretty good), 15 bench, good, times-11.0 & 3.4. better than I would have thought. He is 6'9, and a pretty good shooter & ball handler.

  • Captain L
    May 27, 2010 11:57 p.m.

    Re Bugoff, I have liked what I have seen in Udoh, he handles the ball well,goes left and right, shoots pretty good, blocks shots well, & the numbers you show say he rebounds pretty good, I still like him and hope the Jazz get the chance to pick him.
    Udoh's numbers at draft combine: (not great, just OK), 31 & 33.5 inch verticals, not great, 10 bench, 11.2 & 3.3 times.
    Monroe, is too one handed (left), he is a good passer and OK shooter. OK rebounder.
    Monroe's numbers: 25 & 29 in. verts /Poor, 15 bench (not bad), 12.1 & 3.4 times, pretty slow, slower than Aldrich.
    Aldrich: 23 & 28 vert/poor, 10 bench,/poor for a center, 11.48 & 3.35 times,
    Davis: 31 & 36 vert, best of bigs, N/A bench, 11.7 & 3.2 times,
    Whiteside: 27 & 31.5 verts, 12 bench, 11.8 & 3.5 times, 7'7" reach makes up some for not as good a vert as I would like.
    I wouldn't be upset at all if te Jazz took Whiteside.

  • Bugoff
    May 27, 2010 10:20 p.m.

    Orton and Whiteside are higher risk and will take longer to develop. Monroe really only uses one hand and that will cause him to get blocked a lot just like Koufos who has the same one handed moves.

    Monroe is basically Koufos but maybe more athletic but with less of a work ethic.

    Udoh and Aldrich have enough Big 12 experience to play as soon as they learn the system.

    Aldrich would be cheaper than Pryzbilla and probably about as good in a couple of years. Udoh is pretty similar to Lamar Odom. However, he is not a banger and needs to develop some upper body strength.

    Whiteside has 5.4 blocks against weak competition. Aldrich has 3.5, Udoh has 3.7, Monroe has 1.5. Orton has 1.4 in 13 minutes in a decent league.

    Some mocks have the Jazz taking Henry (SG) who is the second best SG in the draft. I doubt if they do that mainly because Mathews is a much better defender and is shooting about 5 % worse than Henry but against NBA competition as a rookie.

  • Bugoff
    May 27, 2010 10:03 p.m.

    Udoh has 3.6 offensive rebounds and 6.2 defensive rebounds per game in the Big 12. Monroe had 2.2 and 7.5. Aldrich had 3.1 and 6.8.

    Lock might be technically right but he could have framed it as "Udoh is the best offensive rebounder of the bunch".

    It is all about bias and framing. Udoh is a bit more of a finesse player.

    I just watched the Suns nearly win in LA. They use the 3 as a weapon to spread the floor.

    LA must laugh when they see UT on the schedule as they know all of the plays and that UT will try to pound the ball inside against their biggest strength.

    To bad someone does not update the flex and start using the 3 as a weapon. That would space the floor and negate a lot of the height advantage.

    The Suns are never out of a game because of their 3 point shooting. UT is dead if their inside game is stopped.

    There is more than one way to beat LA. From the outside is easier than trying to get more/better bigs than LA.

  • Captain L
    May 27, 2010 7:56 p.m.

    I have been saying for weeks that I liked Udoh as my number 1 pick in the draft, but I heard Lock talk about him this afternoon and he says Udoh is the worst defensive rebounder of the bunch. I like alot of things Udoh can do but if he is a poor rebounder that is a problem.
    Monroe has always looked more ready to contribute now to me, he just hasn't demonstrated that he is a shot blocker and I was hoping for someone who can intimidate and block shots to help Milsap and Okur.
    That being said, Monroe would probably be my #1 pick now if Uhoh is a poor rebounder.
    Everyone says Whiteside is a project but he has a huge upside, he blocks shots better than anyone in college ball and he shoots pretty good. He's a good athlete, runs the floor well, and seems coachable(according to nbadraft.net interview).
    Aldrich may not be as bad as I first thought, he is solid, blocks shots pretty good, and rebounds pretty good.
    Orton sounds pretty good, he hasn't got much experience but he is talented and has a big body & blocks shots.

  • Bugoff
    May 27, 2010 7:16 p.m.

    PHO is still playing with Lopez. Partly in thanks to Booz missing the last reg season game.

    Boozer will not take you to the promised lands.

    Go get the right players and move on.

  • Bugoff
    May 27, 2010 7:14 p.m.

    As far as young players, where would the Jazz be if they had Lopez (either one of them)?

  • Bugoff
    May 27, 2010 7:06 p.m.

    Keeping Boozer for 15+ Mill is not a recipe for winning a championship. We have been down that road for way to long. He just does not match up with several front lines in the West (including PHO).

    Where is the Champion who won without a decent defense?

    Further, there is no one out there that the Jazz can get who can replace him. You would have to sign him and then trade him and bring back the right player(s). Where is that trade? That only happens if Boozer can force a 6 year contract out of some team. Teams will not trade if they can just get Boozer for signing.

    Further, he is redundant with Millsap. Where is the champion with redundant stars. He also will financially kill the team somewhere in the next 6 years if not before when he is injured or old.

    You also have to get the right players back for AK.

    Trades can be part of the options of rebuilding but keeping Boozer is not smart nor a step toward a championship.

    You do not want multiple big contracts before the new CBA.

    Get the right young players in place first.

  • Basketballogy
    May 27, 2010 6:44 p.m.

    @Doug10, Not Asleep, DaveKnowsWhatsUp...

    Thanks for being voices of reason.

    I started watching the NBA in 1988. I think. Anyway, as I look down the list of NBA champions from 88... Pistons, Bulls, Rockets, Spurs, Lakers, Heat, and Celtics, I cannot think of a team who won their championship with "younger, cheaper players with potential."

    Unless you're talking Kobe or Jordan with someone else (Pippen, Shaq, Gasol), then realistically winning it all pretty much meant a "big 3" with a solid supporting cast and bench.

    If the Jazz can keep Williams and Boozer, and move AK47 and Memo on, they're still one piece short.

  • utes13-0
    May 27, 2010 5:07 p.m.

    I say if we don't trade up and get cousins or if udoh doesn't fall we trade down and try and get 2 first round picks. Then draft Whiteside and maybe a guy like Orton if he falls. Then trade up in the 2nd round and try and get Jarvis Varnado and buy another 2nd round pick and get Charles Garcia or Dexter Pittman. We got a lot of future picks to trade and have 3 trade exemptions Then sign and trade Booz along with Kosta. Then sign a big with your midlevel and you may have Milsap, Whiteside, Orton, Okur, Varnado/Garcia/Pittman/Fes. That is the length and defense we need. Sign Matthews

  • Bugoff
    May 27, 2010 3:58 p.m.

    In theory the Jazz might be able to sign Boozer and then trade him to a team with cap space for a "traded player exemption" that could then be used later to sign a player of equal value.

    That would buy the Jazz a lot of time to work around the salary cap issues of adding back Boozer's salary for another player the Jazz really want and would be willing to pay 15 mill or whatever Booz gets.

    The Jazz might be able to pick up a premier C or younger PF at the trade deadline. The big problem with that is who would the Jazz be able to get who has a wp48 comparable with Boozer's? Almost all of those players are stars and would not be moved in a trade deadline fire sale unless they demanded a trade and wanted to come to UT.

    The Jazz would pay the luxury tax at the end of the season but it would hurt less since they did not pay Boozer his regular salary for 1/2 a year.

    I still think you are best off to get younger cheaper players with potential.

  • Go Big Blue!!!
    May 27, 2010 3:07 p.m.

    King Labron in LA is a very scary thought. If anyone can pull it off it is the Lakers. They have the resources, the Hollywood entertainment draw and a management team that has pulled off big trades in the past. Adding to the reason many of us love to hate them.

    Regardless of whether Boozer goes or stays, the Jazz will be a great regular season team next year and continue to struggle in the playoffs. Okur is past his prime and AK has beome to fragile. Jazz need a good big man to take it to the next level. Problem is that there are not many big men to be had.

    The past season gets Boozer out of the dog house. I think he is a plus to the Jazz if he stays, but it is not the end of the world if he goes.

  • Shawnm750
    May 27, 2010 2:29 p.m.

    @AtlantaHawkFan

    Mark Eaton was a good center (not necessarily a "power center",) and my point is that he was the last "good" center we've had. And I for one think we need to spend more than we're spending on Loozer to get one. Even Karl Malone whined about that back in the day... And you know what? He was right! We've got the skill everywhere else, and I think a strong presence in middle is what's kept us from winning a championship, more than once...

  • Large Tuna
    May 27, 2010 12:50 p.m.

    Boozer will not go to NYC. I honestly dont know where he'll go, it doesnt sound like chicago or miami want him. at least they didnt last summer, i dont know why they'd change their mind this summer.

    if NYC thinks they can get lebron, they are crazy. why would he leave a championship-capable team to go to a lottery team. yea they have money to sign 2 superstars, but you need more than 2 players to win a championship.

  • Large Tuna
    May 27, 2010 12:45 p.m.

    @AltaHawkFan: "FYI pt 2 ... The Lakers CANNOT sign a big name free agent either unless a team is foolish enough to agree to a sign and trade with them. Won't happen."

    How do you think they got Gasol?...

  • Bugoff
    May 27, 2010 12:39 p.m.

    Wade said that he, James and Johnson from ATL were discussing where to go. It sound like some collusion. All 3 could end up in MIA. Not sure how MIA pulls that off with the cap.

    Bosh prefers to go to LA and that could easily happen. Bynum and something goes to TOR.

    Booz and NY do not make sense. They just resign Lee instead for less money.

    It might be possible to work a sign and trade with CHI but where is the incentive for CHI? Booz has to demand and get 6 years out of them in order for there to be a trade.

    MIA wants to dump Beasley. They could use Booz. They prefer Amare.

    HOU might need Booz if Scola bolts.

    NJ and Booz are a possibility.

  • blauch
    May 27, 2010 12:15 p.m.

    Jazz Cop

    Hopefully Cleveland is too proud a team to meet James demand. You can stay with us a good team or you can go to a team without superstar star, but we are not going to facilitate you creating a dynasty.

    Not sure if James wants to play with Bryant - because he wants to the the star on the championship team. That is a scary thought

    I think that Bosh is more likely to go to LA than James.

    I think that Wade and either Stoudemire or Bosh goes down to Miami

    James resigns or goes to Chicago and maybe even NYC
    NYC gets the left over of either Stoudemire and Johnson goes to NYC. Both already played for their coach

    NYC also has an 11 expiring contract for a player like Gordon,

    No one talks about Washington, but they have enough max money for one player - Boozer. Boozer could also go to New Jersey

    Wall, Gilbert, Boozer, Thornton, Blanche as a starting five. That puts Josh Howard in the free agent mix.
    NYC

  • Jazzman72
    May 27, 2010 12:11 p.m.

    It's Millsap time! He will put up similar rebounding and scoring stats, play better defense, and he won't be hurt all the time. It's been nice knowing you Carlos. Don't let the door hit you on the way out.

  • Jay
    May 27, 2010 12:10 p.m.

    The problem with Mr. Boozer is this community was waiting six years to have reason to love him. In other markets, you're one of the many, but here you can be a God.

    This was an opportunity lost for Mr. Boozer, and while I hold no anger toward him, I think many fans like me are simply disappointed.

    I can't blame him for leg injuries, but I only wish his loose jaw would've been broken instead.

  • LKA
    May 27, 2010 11:50 a.m.

    I think Boozer has done a good job this year despite his mouth last spring. To him I would say thank you and good luck. A S&T with Bulls for either Deng of Henrich would be ok. Deng has a bad contract and he is injury prone as well. But he would woek good with Sloan. I dont think you have seen the best of him yet. Hinrich would fit in very well. He is hard nosed and reminds me of Horney. He can play both gaurd positions and has a better contract. S&T Hinrich and a pick for Boozer..

  • AltaHawkFan
    May 27, 2010 11:16 a.m.

    hahahahaha ... Mark Eaton = powerful center ... good one !

    FYI ... the Jazz CANNOT sign anyone using the money they paid Boozer. The MOST the Jazz can use is the mid-level exception which will be around $6 million. The Jazz CANNOT sign a 'powerful center' with that kind of money available.

    FYI pt 2 ... The Lakers CANNOT sign a big name free agent either unless a team is foolish enough to agree to a sign and trade with them. Won't happen.

  • Jazz Cop
    May 27, 2010 11:13 a.m.

    lakers have the most they can offer in a sign and trade, who wouldn't want artest, odom, or bynum; or two of them? and who wouldn't do it to get one lebron, or one bosh? and why wouldn't lerbron or bosh want to play on a team that is already a champion, lebron and kobe on the lakers?? lakers win one or two before kobe retires, and ten years of lebron...its just what lebron wants, mega endorsments, championship teams...

  • Jazz Cop
    May 27, 2010 11:03 a.m.

    the scariest thought is james in la. and it could happen, either him or bosh i think will go to la.

  • Portland Trail Blazers
    May 27, 2010 10:48 a.m.

    Duh, who wouldn't think Chicago would benice, Noah, Deng, Hinrich, Rose. DUH!

    My predictions:

    LeBron - Chicago Bulls
    Wade - Miami Heat
    Bosh - Miami Heat
    Amare - Washington Wizards
    Dirk - New Jersey Nets
    Joe Johnson - New York Knicks
    Carlos Boozer - New York Knicks

  • DaveKnowsWhatsUp
    May 27, 2010 10:46 a.m.

    Despite my frustrations with Boozer, I don't see anyone else out there who will effectively fill his shoes. However, I would not give him a deal for more than 2 years, it is as plain as day that he only plays hard in contract years.

    AK can go without any love lost though, I think most of us commenting on this board could effectively fill his role (sitting on the bench with an owwie).

  • Boozer Bandwagon
    May 27, 2010 10:43 a.m.

    I wonder if Boozer wants to go to Chicago if LaBron goes there. I hope he doesn't go to Chicago since we'll be losing a great player. Jazz fans want a championship over night but the truth is we aren't a contender without Boozer. He has to be our number 1 priority. If we resign him I don't think we'll be able to keep Korver.

  • Shawnm750
    May 27, 2010 10:15 a.m.

    I agree with BugOff, we need a powerful Center. We've been lacking there ever since we lost Mark Eaton honestly...Oster-loser never could do the job, and no one since then has had the size to compete!

  • Bugoff
    May 27, 2010 10:13 a.m.

    Some Commentators are suggesting that Shaq will only get 2.5-3 Mill for playing next year.

    It is a very long shot but Shaq's WP48 is still better than Okur's. You might be able to get him with the Brewer exemption?

    He would only play for about 15 minutes but it would be worth a try. There is nothing to lose.

    If he would come there is one major problem. Shaq plays best with a number of great outside shooters.

  • sgrox
    May 27, 2010 10:07 a.m.

    A quote about Steve Nash from an ESPN article: "But he also knew Steve Nash isn't wired that way. He's loyal. He's Canadian. He's old-school. He believes in things like, "I am the leader of this team, so as soon as I say that I might want to leave, I can't lead anymore." Nobody else would have stayed. Steve Nash stayed."

    Does it make you think of Boozer....nope!
    Even Williams keeps dropping his hints about leaving. Once he says it, he can't lead anymore!

  • Bugoff
    May 27, 2010 9:46 a.m.

    Overall Booz is s top 5 PF based on several metrics. But there are other problems.

    Do you really want to give a 15+ mill a year contract for 6 years to an aging Boozer? He has an injury history and this is his last major contract. He has no incentive to play unless he feels like it.

    Do you really want to bet the future of the franchise on Boozer?

    I would rather invest in a younger healthier(less expensive) PF with potential who has incentive to improve.

    The biggest problem with Boozer is that he does not match up against LA and other Western Conference teams with big line ups.

    It makes more sense to let Booz go and get a much better C with the money he would have cost. Booz and Millsap are redundant and neither are good at C.

    Get Millsap a decent back up (until you can get the PF of the future)or get a great SF and let AK back up. The key is to get the right C.

    You can't get the C if Booz stays. Sloan can run the offense thru the C. A joint attack is better.

  • TAGZZ
    May 27, 2010 9:32 a.m.

    Not Asleep... I am glad somebody here feels the same way about Boozer as I do!!

  • B Russ
    May 27, 2010 9:23 a.m.

    The number 4 power forward in the league Doug? Oh you must mean on offense, defensively he's probably 29th or 30th.

  • Not Asleep
    May 27, 2010 9:06 a.m.

    I think we would be wise to keep Boozer on the roster. He has been and will be an important part of our team in the paint. They (true post/paint players) are hard to come by and to just have Milsap and Okur (if he can come back) as post players is not good enough. Stay here Boozer!

  • TAGZZ
    May 27, 2010 8:39 a.m.

    RealityCheck... How could Boozer or Joakim follow in Jordans footsteps when he was a Shooting Guard... You can't follow in somebodies footsteps if you aren't doing the same thing they are!!

  • comedian
    May 27, 2010 8:25 a.m.

    it has only just bggun. he hasnt talked about Miami yet... or the other teams he was interested in last off season.

  • 42istheanswer
    May 27, 2010 8:17 a.m.

    Any team other than Utah looks good to Boozer. IT has been obvious for a couple of years.

  • Jazzman72
    May 27, 2010 8:14 a.m.

    It's Millsap time! He will put up similar rebounding and scoring stats, play better defense, and he won't be hurt all the time. It's been nice knowing you Carlos. Don't let the door hit you on the way out.

  • CougarKeith
    May 27, 2010 8:11 a.m.

    Hey Boozer, GET LOST LOSER! Go to the Bulls, The Lakers, the Raptors, anywhere but here! I am not even a huge Jazz Fan, but I know you are a detriment to the team! You and your soap operas. Nagging injuries, it's time to hit the road and let the big boys play!

  • RealityCheck
    May 27, 2010 7:53 a.m.

    Jodi I think you're going WAY overboard with the
    "following in Michael Jordan's footsteps in Chicago" line.

    There isn't a single aspect of Carlos Boozer's game that in any way resembles Michael Jordan's. I suppose Joakim Noah is also following in Michael Jordan's footsteps in Chicago?

  • TAGZZ
    May 27, 2010 7:50 a.m.

    I don't want boozer to go... I want Jerry Sloan to walk away!! That is a big problem right there...

  • snakenamedjoe
    May 27, 2010 7:49 a.m.

    Buster

    You may be forgetting that Utah just broke it's record for snow late in the year. It's late spring, and I -still- haven't been able to pack away my snow shovel. :(

  • Doug10
    May 27, 2010 7:38 a.m.

    Lets trash the number 4 PF in the league...that makes the fans look ever so smart.

    In the wildest dreams of Jazz fans they can in no way hope to find a player of higher caliber willing to come and play for the Jazz.

    Were the Jazz able to somehow wrangle one more top tier player coming to the Jazz (trading Milsap and or Okur) then Boozer would be happy to return and be a part of a championship team here. That may be a better option than rebuilding AGAIN for the next 4 years.

  • Esquire
    May 27, 2010 6:56 a.m.

    If he wants to go, then go. Chasing a bigger contract and having instability on a team is his answer, then an NBA championship is not one of his goals.

  • Buster
    May 27, 2010 1:38 a.m.

    Well, it's spring, and love is in the air. Let's see how attractive the Bulls are when the driveway needs shoveling...

  • nellies
    May 27, 2010 1:37 a.m.

    Jazz Fans find Carlos Boozer's interest in ANY team other than the Jazz attractive.

  • owlmaster2
    May 26, 2010 11:42 p.m.

    Personally, I can't wait for Boozer to be gone....