The BCS is nothing more than a money grab to ensure that the money always stays
in the pockets of the "haves". The bottom-dwellers in the BCS conferences (like
Washington State, Duke, and Northwestern) get more BCS money than the top teams
in the non-BCS conferences.Naive fans who think that the system
gives us a truer champion because "SOS" is now considered in the secret computer
formulas, should consider this little gem from Sagarin:"In [the BCS
computer formulas], only winning and losing matters; the score margin is of no
consequence, which makes it very 'politically correct'."Beating
every team on your schedule by 50 points is no different than squeaking out
1-point wins all season, which of course makes it impossible for non-BCS teams
to ever gain any headway with the computers because BCS teams won't play them,
then they use the convenient excuse that they "don't play anybody" as reason not
to give the non-BCS teams anything but table scraps.
Western schools ought to opt out of the BCS and form a western system. It may
take a decade or two, but the strategy is to ignore the BCS as we offer players
and coaches a place to grow and perform at their best, and offer donors and
boosters and sponsors young, fresh, affordable market to invest in. In 20
years, won't the BCS will come crawling for a piece of the pie?
I doubt anyone disputes the fact that the rich get richer with a playoff system,
but at least there is no hypocrisy in the monetary distribution. The farther
you go into the playoffs, the more money your school and your conference gets.
Still, it didn't prevent a non-BCS school from making the finals of "March
Madness" and earning it's fair share. The BCS is an exclusionary club that
prevents schools from entering, and limits the earnings of the schools that get
in based on who they are instead of how they play. It's time to use Title IX,
Federal Anti-Trust laws, and whatever other existing laws that are available to
break up the BCS.
Last year I attended a USO function where seven coaches (six from BCS
conferences) spoke to US servicemen overseas. They were surprisingly candid
during the Q&A, probably because there was no media in attendance. Here are
some things that were said:Big Ten coach: "Those of you who want a
playoff - it's not going to happen. There are too many people making money in
the system that is in place right now."PAC 10 coach: "Utah and BYU
have excellent football programs. But adding them to our conference wouldn't
bring enough television sets to make splitting the money 12 ways more profitable
for our current teams that the current system does."Big 12 coach:
"We don't want to share the money with them" (the non-BCS teams).I
have lived in PAC 10 territory, ACC territory, and overseas for the last fifteen
years. From my experience, it is the rare sports fan who doesn't have
allegiance to a non-BCS team that cares about any of this stuff. We get wrapped
around the axle about who's better (Utah or BYU), and who's left out, but
outside the intermountain area, almost no one cares.
@Ute Blue DevilSure, but a playoff gives us Larry vs Magic, NC
State, Gonzaga, Andre and Doleac, Ainge's Drive, Pace Mannion pattin' the guy
from Illinois on the rear at the half before he took them apart in the 2nd half.
Give me a little David vs. Goliath, and give David the chance next
week to prove it wasn't a fluke. Maybe it was a one weekend magical
thing, maybe not. Who knows what Utah could have done the weekend after they
steam rolled Bama. Maybe nothing, maybe special.Give it a chance to
Ok, lets get a reality check here. Lets say we throw away the BCS, and have a
playoff system like basketball or many of the other sports has. The one trend
that you will see jump out at you is it doesn't stop, not even a little, the
trend that a few conferences end up dominating the system. Even with a
playoff.Take the ACC for example in basketball. This single
conference, even though every years people say it has lost is luster, has won 5
of the last 10 National titles. Yes, there have been upsets, and teams that
have exceeded where they were expected to have gone. But the trend stays the
same over time.Go to other sports, Lacrosse, Baseball, Tennis, Golf,
Gymnastics - and you still have your premier teams that have far higher revenues
and success than others. Going to a playoff system is not going to
change the natural order of who the big teams and conferences are. History and
results show the big schools keep on winning regardless of the system devised at
the end of the season.Not saying it fare or right. It is just is
what it is.
While the BcS does have it's flaws, it is far better than a playoff in my mind.
Keep the BcS, but level the playing field.Keep congress, and a
playoff, out of this.
UtahMan90 | 12:18 p.m.I agree, Utah should have played for the NC in
2008.BYU should have played in BCS bowls previously.The
truth is both have been hosed due to timing, and both have been screwed by the
football Powers.So, if BYU and Utah go to AQ conferences, they
should still not support the status quo, and push for a playoff.
UtahMan90 - one important element. What were they ranked before their bowl
game? An honest question, I really don't keep track of things like that for
Utah.If you are ranked #1 and you win your bowl game, it's pretty
hard to deny you your NC. However, being undefeated in and of itself doesn't
cut it. All the chips have to fall just right, starting with a decent to good
rating, which you typically carry over from a good season the year before; and
ending with your competition losing games at the right time of season.At least that's how it worked for us!
Trueblue has it pretty close to where I would like to see it. Any kind of a
playoff for college football, where the championship is determined on the field
would be the ultimate in college sports. Come on Obama, do something
important.Down Hedgie, Down!
byu dude, I would hope they would still bad mouth the BCS. But I bet the fans
would fall in line. I hope I dont ever fall in line. This system, while a
significant upgrade over the previous system, is awful.
This is so ironic. Back "when" I helped in Orrin Hatch's campaign to beat Frank
Moss. His campaign theme was Moss has served long enough. Isn't it ironic that
Mr. Hatch is not living by the same rules he denounced for Mr. Moss. And, now
he's lowered himself to the level of chasing after football at a time when the
very foundations of the nation are creaking. Hypocrisy has led to insanity.One man's opinion.
Cynic: You are the foolish one!Read a book.....Read
Democrat Henry W Smith filibuster...The Southern Bloc, which was
composed of 18 Democratic Senators and 1 Republican.Read the Senate
floor speech given by the illustrious Democratic Sen Robert Byrd given for 14
hours 13 minutes June 10, 1964.Its was the Democrats who opposed the
Should Utah get invited to the Pac 12 and BYU to the Big 12. Do you think those
two institutions will bad mouth the BCS system or get in line with the
BCS = Apartheid
BYUHOOEY:“loved the democrat (liberal) slant that Mike tossed
into this column. a true Utah grad at his finest!! The feds stepping in to
mandate a playoff is NOT ‘more govt [sic]’. The definition of "more
governement [sic]" is ‘more taxes without jobs created’.”I love the zoobie-republican (conservative) spins where anything
favorable / praiseworthy / convenient / intelligent = Republican / Conservative;
anything unfavorable / unfair / inconvenient / stupid = Democrat / Liberal.NEWSFLASH #1:“Big Government” aka “more
government”, is NOT about “more taxes without jobs created”.
It’s about the government stepping in to determine how a business may or
may not operate, and stipulating consequences for non-compliance. NEWSFLASH #2:Not all forms of government intervention are bad. The
“Sherman Anti-Trust Act” was Big Government stepping in to prevent
monopolies. This was a GOOD thing. The Bill of Rights was a
“Liberal” movement. By the late 18th century, the conservatives
[aka the Tories] were the ones who wanted to maintain the status quo [a
“conservative” position/agenda] of the existing aristocracies.
Another “radical” liberal movement was the “Emancipation
A playoff is the only championship format that makes any sense. That's why EVERY
other sport uses it.The sad thing is, a playoff would generate a lot
more money than the BCS, and yet, the idiots who support the BCS because of all
the money it generates are too blind to see that.
jealous u. and hedgehog, your debates are so juvenille. Its amazing to me. You
two bring up the same things day in and day out and laugh at each other. We get
both of your points, lets move on.
hedgehog, you are the worst at comebacks of anyone I've ever seen. You can tell
you are a fan of the u.
Cynic --What southern republicans in 1964? Martin Luther King
perhaps (fact: registered republican). Without republican support, the Civil
rights Act of 1964 would not have passed - period!
The point, hedgy, is that Utah has NEVER won a National Championship or a
Heisman Trophy or been a regular Top 25 team.Past, present, future
--- EPIC FAIL!
Am I the only one who thinks that like BYU, Utah would have had a NC when they
went 13-0 and no other team went undefeated that year?
"A team that's never won a National Championship, never won a Heisman Trophy"Jealous Y,You must be talking about the relevant football
powerhouse Army … correct? Army was a “program” that won a
National championship and had a Heisman winner LAST DECADE. Yeah it definitely
sounds exactly like Army. Times change and sometimes
it’s hard to let go of the glory days. But hey, at least your coach has
set the right expectation. Macco Bowl or bust.
HedgeSuppose Utah becomes a member of the PAC 12. How many Rose
Bowls do you predict Utah plays in in their first ten years. How many Vegas
Bowls?And do you really think every year any team plays Utah they
think "Wow, 2 BCS Bowls"? Or do you think they look at your team, and
non-ranking.How intimdated was UNLV when you had the one?Point out one year that BYU beat Utah and that win made BYU relevant. Yet, how
many times did Utah look to a BYU win as making their season.TUN
needs TDS, but over the past ten years the two teams are for the first time in
40 years competative in football.Get the basketball program
together, and this might actually be a rivalry.Deseret dual this
year. BYU 45.5, Utah 15.5.Which institution needs the other to be
relevant, I believe was you question. You tell me. Where was the Utah athletic
program last year? Good luck on that PAC-12 invite. I'm guessing
you're in a fetal ball waiting, because you need it to prove "your" individual
worth as a human being.Sad.
RE MTFAs a UT alum as well as a USU alum my football programs are
doing just fine thanks. USU is on its way to being respectible in the WAC.
Texas will be in the NC hunt again this year.
hedgehogA team that's never won a National Championship, never won a
Heisman Trophy, and wasn't even a blip on the national radar until 6 years ago,
"validating" a team that's done both and been a perennial Top 25 team for the
last 33 years?Thanks for the laugh!
@TRUTH 10:24AMThat's the most hilarious thing I've ever read. Both your
name and your post are wrong.Go look at who voted for the 1964 Civil
Rights Act, for example. Southern Republicans and Democrats all voted against
it, duh. In the rest of the country, over 95% (NINETY-FIVE PERCENT) of Democrats
voted FOR civil rights. That's 145-9 in the House of Representatives and 45-1 in
the Senate.If you are going to use that screen name, then live up to
it. Don't expect to be able to make up facts without being challenged by people
who really know the truth.
For the record...America has been arguing about Big Government vs
Small Government for decades.Truth be known, liberty exists between
two enemies, anarchy and tyranny. When government is tool small you get anarchy
(think French Revolution for a worst case) and the people abuse each other. When
government is too large you get tyranny and the government abuses the people.Government must be large enough to prevent anarchy and limited in its
roll and powers to prevent tyranny. Modern conservatives know this and are
really constitutional moderates.The BCS is a form of anarchy where
one group of people abuses another. The government does have a roll in
preventing anarchy.Our financial markets experienced anarchy causing
the sub-prime meltdown. This was caused by Fanny and Freddy and the
neighborhood reinvestment act.The BCS is a problem; however, there
are much larger fish to fry.Liberals actually promote anarchy by
refusing to enforce immigration law and being soft on crime. They also push for
more government control in areas government should stay out of. They are
burning both ends of the candle against freedom.God Help Us.
Sportsfan. Feel free to deny the more feasible Utes as a BCS member. As it
stands now you should be in a fetal ball praying Utah doesn’t move on. At
this point and time, tds needs the Utes to validate their relevance. I mean,
come one, how many other two time BCS winner do you get to play EVER year?Who knows though, maybe if the Utes get’s out of your way you
might have a better shot at actually getting to a BCS bowl game. As it stands
now its TCU and Utah….. and the rest.I’d wish you good
luck in Vegas this year …. But come on, that ain’t gonna happen.
I suspect if a team like Utah is accepted into a BCS conference they would need
to agree to a much, much smaller revenue cut than current members since it's
doubtful that hedgehog's Utes will ever actually play in a BCS game.
An NCAA Major College Football Playoff would dwarf March Madness in fan interest
and revenue by as much as the NFL playoffs and Super Bowl dwarf the NBA
playoffs.What could have been:2009 NCAA Football
PlayoffAll 11 conference champions + next 5 highest ranked teams
(AP/Coaches Polls combined)Seeded like the NCAA basketball
tournament.No first round same conference matchups. Played each Saturday beginning the Saturday after Christmas.Remaining bowls played on any day except playoff Saturdays.First
round at the home field of the higher seed. Quarter-finals through
finals in the Orange, Sugar, Rose, Fiesta, and Cotton Bowl venues.#16. Troy (SunBelt) @ #1. Alabama (SEC) 9:30am EST, December 26th-----------------------------Quarter-final in Sugar Bowl#9. Georgia Tech
(ACC) @ #8. Ohio St. (BigTen) 2pm#13. Penn St. (at-large) @ #4. TCU
(MWC) 8pm-----------------------------Quarter-final in Fiesta Bowl#12. Virginia Tech (at-large) @ #5. Florida (at-large) 6:30pm#15.
Houston (C-USA) @ #2. Texas (Big12) 11am-----------------------------Quarter-final in Rose Bowl#10. Iowa
(at-large) @ #7. Oregon (PAC10) 5pm#14. Central Michigan (MAC) @ #3.
Cincinnati (BigEast) 12:30pm-----------------------------Quarter-final
Orange Bowl#11. LSU (at-large) @ #6. Boise St. (WAC) 3:30pm
How did this discussion all of a sudden become BYU?
Mike Sorenson...I find it ironic that you slam Orrin and conservatives for
supporting a BCS/Govt Intervention and compare it to Civil Rights
Movement.....You do know that those who supported civil rights were
the likes of Conservatives like Orrin and those who opposed civil rights were
those like yourself? Liberals!
Hey, here is an unpopular idea!In as much as college football and
basketball are nothing more than farm clubs for the NFL and NBA, just eliminate
college athletics and make the big leagues pay for their own farm teams.College athletes are abused financially by the schools. The schools
make millions while top athletes get a scholarship worth a fraction of what they
bring to the schools.This system works just fine for baseball and it
should work well for other sports as well.Universities and colleges
should focus on education, not athletics.Don't like this idea? Me
Its an obvious anti-trust violation because it involves a "monopoly" and big
bucks.The BCS is a good example of how powerful monopolistic
practices can become when they also have political clout!!
Remember one of the main points here. These BCS school are not simply separate
business entities relying solely on themselves. They are receiving federal
Re: Go Big Blue!!!If I were you I would cry myself to sleep at night
over the state of your football program. Respectfully - An OSU AlumThe BCS is a joke, but it won't change anytime
soon. There is too much money involved, and most people in the East aren't
aware that football happens West of the Mississippi. Because you can't beat em'
you better figure out how to join em'.
Why do you think Orrin Hatch is for less government ? As I've watched from far
off texas - I keep wondering why a conservative state like UT keeps returning
him to the senate ... he's one of the good 'ole boy network that's tying the
country up in debt forever more...on the BCS - there's only one sure
way to break the BCS, and that is to win all out of conference games when the
chances arise, and to this point in time (year in and year out) - BYU (my alma
mater) has proven it DOESN'T... inspite of it's generally good performance
levels across many sports statistically.Maybe, it's not all about
national football championships anyway.
"playoff system combined with a slightly more limited bowl game schedule would
increase the interest in college football and the revenues"BYUHokey,I’ll agree that universally, fan interest would
increase by having a national playoff system but I’m not sold that it
would increase revenues substantially for the current BCS members. A bigger pie
and thinner slices may not be that interesting for the Florida’s and Texas
or the world.I suspect if a team like BYU is accepted into a BCS
conference they would need to agree to much smaller revenue cut than current
loved the democrat (liberal) slant that Mike tossed into this column. a true
Utah grad at his finest!! The feds stepping in to mandate a playoff is NOT "more
govt". The definition of "more governement" is "more taxes without jobs
created". a playoff system combined with a slightly more limited bowl game
schedule would increase the interest in college football and the revenues. the
bowl system would be the consolation games which they are now. a true champion
would be decided on the field not in a computer. the average fan would be truly
interested in what all the other conference champions are doing and how they
would pair up with their home team, etc.
Government needs to quit wasting my tax money, this would be a good place to
CougarKeith,The NCAA has had years and years to "fix it". How well
have they done in "fixing it"? Give me a break! You sound like Hancock and his
band of merry men. Listen, there comes a time when the government
does have to step in and do something, especially when it deals with monopolies
and the unequal distribution of power and money. The Sherman Anti-Trust Act of
1890 states "the public is best served by free competition in trade and
industry. When businesses fairly compete for the consumer's dollar, the quality
of products and services increases while the prices decrease. However, many
businesses would rather dictate the price, quantity, and quality of the goods
that they produce, without having to compete for consumers." (No, I'm not
quoting from Wikipedia.) This same principal holds when determining monies
available to state universities. A good college athlete who has aspirations for
playing in the NFL is going to go to the university (Read: BCS university) who
can most likely provide him the exposure to do so.I welcome any
comment, for or against my post.
My only disagreement: Hancock absolutely knows the BCS is unfair. He doesn't
mean a word he says. It's all PR baloney.
Let’s get one thing straight. The BCS was created to maximize revenue for
its members and indentifying a universally excepted National champion is clearly
incidental. If the BCS members felt that positives (revenue) offset the
negatives (religious school) they would’ve have offered BYU admittance
years ago.Wake- up Cougars. If the BCS conferences needed you
they would have shown an offer years ago.
Follow the money. If the NCAA tried to make their own playoff system without
considering the existing bowls, the BCS schools would just pull their football
progams out of the NCAA and go it alone. That is why the NCAA will never do it.
As of now they do get some revenue and if they lost the BCS schools they would
lose it. The NCAA no longer has the student athlete welfare as it's core value.
It is all about money. Remember the Tarkanian press conference where he openly
gave one of his players a ticket home to attend his grandmothers funeral? It was
against NCAA rules, but Jerry did it and then dared the NCAA to enfore the rule.
Only public opinion kept them from hanging Jerry. The NCAA is a corrupt money
All of you BCS haters claim the BCS is stealing all of this money. The reality
is that they created the wealth. The big conferences created the great bowls.
They deserve to reap the financial benefits. Take your little Holiday bowl home
and cry yourselves to sleep.
Let the ncaa fix it, ha ha funniest thing I've heard this all has happened on
their watch. Mr. Orrin you have watched the country go down the tubes in your
years in Washington and haven't done anything, what makes you think you can do
anything about this. Couldn't be a publicity ploy?
You just figured it out that it will take legislation? By the time Hatch does
anything besides huff and puff, he will be in his 10th term, the oldest Senator
in history, by decades.
Any system which favors one school over another, particularly if the favored
schools are getting federal grants, should be outlawed by an act of Congress.
The idea that the four biggest payout bowls give automatic bids to 6
conferences, and "might" allow a school from another conference if there appears
to be no way to exclude them, is simply wrong. It is time to eliminate the
athletic racism that favors schools from one part of the country over schools in
another. And if you think the declining Big 10 or Big 12 will give up their
places willingly, you need to wake up!
I think both sides are completely missing the point the other is trying to make.
The fact is, when the BCS was created it was a HUGE upgrade over the system that
was then in place. The national champion was voted on back then, not determined
through competition. And the bowls stuck with their conference affiliations and
that was that. Utah's reward for their undefeated seasons WOULD have been the
Las Vegas Bowl without the BCS. The BCS has definitely greatly increased the
accessibility of the big stage to all schools.That said, the BCS is
missing the point that no one is looking at college football through the same
lens that they used in the late '90s. College football fans are no longer
satisfied with merely being better, we want the system made right. They are
still trying to vindicate a system which isn't equitable by saying that it is
less wrong than the one that preceded it. Sooner or later you just have to say
that it isn't about having an improved system, it's about having the correct one
that everybody is pining for.
ncaa needs to step up and take this declaration of championship away from the
bowl commissioners---they should plan for and execute a playoff---they should
restrict leagues to no more than 8 schools---the league champs then are in the
playoff and if some leagues are considerably stronger then there should be a
play-in wild card arrangement---when ncaa gets control and makes these changes
then schools and tv can make any coalitions desired to meet the market and the
bowls can go on as they were in the beginning; a challenge match between
leagues---most leagues would have a clear champion from win loss
record but for those that don't, tie breaker rules could be fashioned---with
more teams likely to have end of the year attention more players would consider
more opportunities and tv would respond accordingly---it does not
take and act of congress---just that ncaa steps up and does their job---
I am tired of government in our business, why don't they just stay out of our
lives! It has nothing to do with anything of their concern, get lost! Leave the
BCS alone. I don't like it the way it is, but let the NCAA fix it.
I can't believe you described Orrin Hatch as someone who is for "less
government". What a joke.
I, like many male college students, decided which University I would attend
based largely on football. Admissions applications to Boise State skyrocketed
after the '07 Fiesta Bowl. Wise or not, that's the reality.Anybody
who doesn't think Congress has any business meddling in sports must completely
dismiss those facts. Not to mention the millions in revenue funneled away or
towards taxpayer-supported institutions.