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  • JustintimeY
    May 13, 2010 8:16 a.m.

    Good luck Dennis, we will miss seeing you compete at the Y but look forward to your success with the Ravens.

  • Chris B
    May 13, 2010 8:25 a.m.

    Dennis was ok. How many other picks did you have in the draft cewgs? That's it? Can't wait for the 6-7 year for tds this year. Going to be a great year up north, with only tcu being a potential roadblock to our 3rd big game!

  • utwingnut
    May 13, 2010 8:45 a.m.

    RE: Chris B

    Who will the 7 teams be that BYU loses too? Dennis was more than just ok. He is a very good ball player. Please try to be a little more objective.

  • SoUtBoy25
    May 13, 2010 8:59 a.m.

    More utes were drafted and they still lost to the tds? Would they then be considered underachievers since they lost to an inferior team? Or is this just a statement of the quality of the coaching staff?

  • hedgehog
    May 13, 2010 9:07 a.m.

    Realistically BYU will start the season 0-3 and possible 0-4 if they don’t have it figure out before the Nevada game. Add on beat downs from TCU and Utah and your looking at 5 or 6 loses next year.

  • JustintimeY
    May 13, 2010 9:17 a.m.

    Given that the mighty u had 6 players drafted it is even more embarrassing to look back and wonder how they lost to the Y 26-23. Can you please explain that to me? Chris and hedg are the same "experts" that predicted doom and gloom last year, starting with the Oklahoma game, LOL. How did that work out for you :)

  • hedgehog
    May 13, 2010 9:17 a.m.

    "More utes were drafted and they still lost to the tds? Would they then be considered underachievers since they lost to an inferior team? Or is this just a statement of the quality of the coaching staff?"

    Only an inferior team would need to resort to this argument. You won’t ever hear the Alabama’s USC's or Texas having this as a response.

    Just saying...

  • Fiddler
    May 13, 2010 9:20 a.m.

    hedgehog, beat us then come talk.

    Also, you catch any of those CSU - Utah bball games this last year??? LOL!!!

  • Jealous U
    May 13, 2010 9:29 a.m.

    Utah's likely losses next season:

    Pittsburgh -- ending Utah's BcS hopes in the opening week

    at Air Force
    TCU
    at Notre Dame

    back-to-back-to-back losses

    then after a breather at SDSU to lick their wounds

    BYU

    7-5 for 2010, but they'll beat Fresno State in the New Mexico Bowl to keep their chesting beating string alive

  • defibman
    May 13, 2010 9:57 a.m.

    Both teams are unproven this year and so we will have to wait to see how things start and finish. How does a benign article turn to such insane comments? Let's go back and read the article and keep the comments to the contents of it and not turn to others stupid ideas!

  • PureOpinion
    May 13, 2010 9:59 a.m.

    Chris B. And Hedgehog:
    please present some proof that Utah will be better that BYU this year. Go look at your roster... Ouch. You may have sent 6 players to the NFL, but if you couldn't win with them, how do you expect to win without them? Sorry, but Jealous U hit it right on.
    Pitt-L-Deon Lewis will run all over you.
    AFA-L-U defense always has trouble with the option
    TCU-L-No chance of competing with team speed
    ND-L-New Coach,good talent. will be TOUGH this year
    BYU-L-Like I said, you could not beat the Y with your 6 draft picks. What will you do without them? Not to mention talent is far better across the board at the Y. QB is the only position you may have an advantage at, but that is only because the Y has not even named a starter yet.
    Enjoy your 5 losses. I would love to hear a rebuttal from one of you. But I doubt you have anything convincing. Show me where we will lose 6 games? I see 4 at most.

  • utwingnut
    May 13, 2010 10:00 a.m.

    RE: hedgehog | 9:07 a.m. May 13, 2010


    "Realistically BYU will start the season 0-3 and possible 0-4 if they don’t have it figure out before the Nevada game. Add on beat downs from TCU and Utah and your looking at 5 or 6 loses next year."


    LOL! Thanks for the comic relief.


    Rise & Shout!!

  • Naval Vet
    May 13, 2010 10:05 a.m.

    So "Jealous U" sees a 7-5 season for Utah. Is that your REAL prediction, or was that merely a "Jealous" jab of desperation?

    The traditionally cougar-friendly Lindy's poll just came out. TCU is a preseason #7, while Utah is a preseason #25...just 2 spots behind the cougars. Well, the HOUSTON cougars that is. The tdS wasn't ranked. Funny thing is, even as an unranked team, the tdS was STILL overrated.

    So if the Utes are a 5-loss team this year, and the tdS is overrated at unranked, utwingnut would like the swami "Jealous U" to divulge who will be the 7 teams the "why?" will be losing to in 2010. I'm curious too.

  • joe in dub j
    May 13, 2010 10:36 a.m.

    @ Naval Vet:

    Are you really going by standings to see who is better. Last year BYU was ranked below utah to start the season. And where did they end up in the end? ya ABOVE the utes. im not saying the same for this year but dont start predicting utah to be way better than BYU when the season doesnt start for 3-4 months. and the 5 loss year is realistic. but expect more of a 3 or 4 loss year for utah. just dont base everything on the polls because we all know what happened to USC last year

  • PureOpinion
    May 13, 2010 10:38 a.m.

    oooo Naval Vet is in the discussion now... fun! Still waiting for a rebuttal from a U fan for what is special about the Utes team this year,and how in the world you could be predicting a BCS game? You are looking at best a 3-5 loss season. I would love to be proven wrong. Just present some evidence that the U is NOT overrated...??? How is BYU overrated if they are not even ranked? Go check your facts before making predictions based on nothing more than hatred.

  • hedgehog
    May 13, 2010 10:52 a.m.

    "How is BYU overrated if they are not even ranked?"

    BYU is not overrated by rational experts, their overrated by delusion BYU fans, coaches and players.

    Being unranked is just about right. Don’t expect to see your name on the board anytime soon.

  • Buster
    May 13, 2010 11:09 a.m.

    Geeze Hedgeman, Chris, and Naval dude:

    Did you really need to come on an article about Dennis Pitta, that destroyed you guys to talk about "next season" again.

    Props out to your SugarBowl victory, but other than that, there is really nothing to brag about from the hill in the past four years in any sport other than women's gymnastics.

    Really, are you so desperate for a "ego fix" that you need to come on here to get your mind off the scoreboard?

    Do it on the field and then talk.

  • SportsFan
    May 13, 2010 11:20 a.m.

    Any Utah fan who doesn't seriously consider these opponents as legitimate challenges, and possible losses for Utah, isn't being realistic:

    Pittsburgh - a preseason Top 25 team

    @Air Force - nearly beat Utah at Utah last year

    TCU - a preseason Top 10 team and the best team in the MWC the last two years (despites Utah's upset win in 2008)

    @Notre Dame - if the Utes think they're going to walk into the most storied stadium in college football and expect a cakewalk they're only kidding themselves

    BYU - all that talk about BYU having to break in a brand new quarterback will be meaningless by late November and BYU another heartbreaking loss to the Cougars is a very real possibility

  • "Stalwart"
    May 13, 2010 11:30 a.m.

    Best of luck to Pitta and all athletes with connections to the state of Utah on the Ravens roster. I don't understand why some still want to make rivalry smack involving BYU/Utah athletes in the pros. Can't we just hope they all succeed? It wouldn't hurt anyone.

  • MUSSing with U
    May 13, 2010 11:31 a.m.

    One game at a time Utah fans and Pittsburgh is going to be a very tough opening opponent.

    I'd hold off making bold predictions about BYU. The Cougars could turn out to be much better than people are expecting and Utah has lost three of the last four games against BYU. There's no guarantee that the Cougars won't make it four out five this year.

  • Striker
    May 13, 2010 11:39 a.m.

    Amen Buster. I find it ludicrous that that very person that defeated our rival has rivals flocking to this BYU article and can only come here and put anything and everything down about him that they came. THAT'S 100% PATHETIC. Seriously, it's laughable that people like this exist on this earth and have nothing better to do. It's like FSU fans going on Florida's blog saying what a pathetic NFL player Tebow will be, after he beat them in each and every game. Some people just don't think, that's all there is to it.

  • Big_Ben
    May 13, 2010 12:03 p.m.

    Striker, you must be new to the boards. the only ones to say anything negative about Pitta is Chris B and hedgehog. Chirs B=BYU fan posing as a ute. well established. hedgehog=not one to take serious

  • Osgrath
    May 13, 2010 1:20 p.m.

    People who doubt BYU's success next season against Utah based on breaking in a new quarterback seem to be forgetting that whoever it is will have played a full season by the time the games rolls around in November. It really will be two experienced teams going head to head - no excuses from either side.

  • Independent
    May 13, 2010 1:39 p.m.

    All I know is that BYU got wooped by a mediocre Florida State at home last year, and Utah lost to BYU. Neither team's fans should be talking.

  • Chris B
    May 13, 2010 1:53 p.m.

    Big_Ben

    You couldn't be more wrong. Not only am I a proud U grad - my best friend is on the team this year, so I've got all the more reason to be excited.

    Admittedly, I get a little overhyped about the rivarly, but only because I know the majority of the time I'll be correct when I bash tds.

    It's just fun to see them get upset.

    GO UTES! BCS 3!

  • cougar4life
    May 13, 2010 2:15 p.m.

    I'm a big Cougar fan but I'm also realistic about this upcoming football season. We have a lot of youth and inexperience and what we need most of all is patience from our fans. It might take a few years to get rolling.

  • SportsFan
    May 13, 2010 2:30 p.m.

    re: Independent

    BYU finished #12 in both polls and soundly beat a then 16th ranked Oregon State team in the Las Vegas bowl.

    BYU was obviously alot better than you give them credit for.

    Utah was also pretty good, #18 in the final polls, although, not as good as BYU.

  • JMT
    May 13, 2010 2:34 p.m.

    OK, I am about to commit major sin.

    BYU's National Championship year saw them break in a new quarterback in Robbie Bosco. This does NOT mean that BYU will even get to a BCS Bowl. It does mean that there is much evidence that new quarterbacks can really do some serious damage. Wasn't Alex Smith the same way?

    Both BYU and Utah have a real chance to do very well this season. Utah has a tough road, BYU has a monkey on its back in TCU. I could see each team winning 10-11 games this year...or only 6-8.

    I hope they do well and that Dennis Pita gets some serious playing time.

  • PureOpinion
    May 13, 2010 2:35 p.m.

    Chris B:

    haha the Majority of the time must not include the last 5 years? the Y has won 3 of the last 5 baby. (Which is all that really matters, anything pre Mendenhall/Winningham does not effect the present standing of these programs)So I would say the majority is against you? Nice math skills though. So I'm curious, what exactly are you bashing? I have not heard you back up your 6-7 loss theory for next season yet? And you are dreaming if you think you are BCS bound. You will be woken up rudely week 1 against Pitt. haha I am guessing you are just clueless when it comes to College Football because your ridiculous assessments speak out against you. Sorry man, but nobody is going to take you seriously until you bring something solid...Cheers

  • PureOpinion
    May 13, 2010 2:51 p.m.

    haha the Majority of the time must not include the last 5 years? the Y has won 3 of the last 5 baby. (Which is all that really matters, anything pre Mendenhall/Winningham does not effect the present standing of these programs)So I would say the majority is against you? Nice math skills though. So I'm curious, what exactly are you bashing? I have not heard you back up your 6-7 loss theory for next season yet? And you are dreaming if you think you are BCS bound. You will be woken up rudely week 1 against Pitt. haha I am guessing you are just clueless when it comes to College Football because your ridiculous assessments speak out against you. Sorry man, but nobody is going to take you seriously until you bring something solid...Cheers

  • Monsieur le prof
    May 13, 2010 2:59 p.m.

    How pathetic to wish that a rival would lose games just because they are a rival. I cheer for the Utes and wish them the best because they have good coaches and players. The fans are another story, but that's beside the point.

    Why make foolish remarks and predictions when you don't have the foggiest idea what will happen? I hope the Utes go unbeaten until that last game. I hope the Cougs do too, but realistically, it could be a rough year for the Big Blue.

    How great is it to have all those Utah products on the same team! I wish them all well, regardless of their previous affiliation. Pitta is a great player and fine young man. I hope he does well.

  • Buster
    May 13, 2010 3:12 p.m.

    The Hog:

    This is why hedgehog and his opinion should be thouroughly discounted. On the Ute side of the Des News, there is a story titled "Utah Utes football: David Reed looking to earn roster spot with NFL's Ravens".

    Same team where Pitta is trying to earn a spot. The Hog, being one of the six Utah Fans to post, suggests that he hopes that Pitta can get some pointers from FIFTH ROUND draft pick David Reed if he wants a shot.

    So a second round Pitta needs help from a fifth round Reed, with a 1-3 record against BYU is the answer to Pitta's success.

    Come on, it's just so silly and just plain dumb that it explains the logic of the University of Utah fan base, and is really pretty sad.

    So predict away, and then after your yearly loss, you can come back here nest spring and predict another terrible season for the tds.

    As for me, I'll be at the game, because there was never a sound so sweet as the quiet of RES stadium as Harline cradled the ball in his arms as the scoreboard reads 00:00.

    Ummmmmmm. Scoreboard.

  • Quince Orchard
    May 13, 2010 3:14 p.m.

    First time poster and I'm puzzled by all of the Utah fans posting here.

    Are they so insecure with the accomplishments of their own team that they have post on BYU articles to prop up Utah?

    Strange.

    Anyway, about Dennis Pitta:

    He was one of the best tightends in college football last year and I'm excited to see how well he'll do with the Ravens. His pass catching skills are amazing, but he's going to have to improve his blocking.

    Good luck Dennis!

  • Chris B
    May 13, 2010 3:23 p.m.

    Pure Opinion,

    How many bcs games do you have? How many will you have 20 years from now? The same

    By the way, did you studder?

  • Fiddler
    May 13, 2010 3:31 p.m.

    hedgehog, how can you say anything when your bball program looks like a bunch of stunt doubles from the show "Life Goes On"?

  • Fiddler
    May 13, 2010 3:36 p.m.

    Chris B, how many national championships do you have? How many will you have 20 years from now? The same

    By the way, how many stunt doubles from the show "Life Goes On" does your basketball program have? Answer, its about 7 or 8 now because 4 or 5 of them left. Did you ever think you'd see the day when the University of Utah's bball program would have mentally and physically challenged players leave the program by not being satisfied? LOL!!!

  • MajMarine
    May 13, 2010 3:37 p.m.

    "Naval Vet"?

    You were a veterinarian in the Navy? Wow. Cool.

  • SportsFan
    May 13, 2010 3:48 p.m.

    Chris B,

    How many National Championships do U have?

    Guaranteed, BYU will have several BCS wins if the BCS is still around for the next 20 years!

    Will Utah ever even sniff a National Championship?

    How many Top 25 finishes do U have?

    How many Heisman Trophies?

    How national individual awards?

    How many conference championships in the last 50 years?

    How double-digit win seasons?

    Utah has a couple of perfect storm seasons when they won BCS games.

    Other than that, what else has Utah done?

    BYU has almost as many Top 25 finishes in the last four years as Utah has in its entire history.

  • JustintimeY
    May 13, 2010 3:53 p.m.

    Chris B keep touting your BCS trips

    AP/Coaches Final Top 20 and Top 25

    1964 Utah UR/14
    1977 BYU 20/16
    1979 BYU 13/12
    1980 BYU 12/12
    1981 BYU 13/11
    1983 BYU 7/7
    1984 BYU 1/1 National Champions
    1985 BYU 16/17
    1989 BYU 22/18
    1990 BYU 22/17
    1991 BYU 23/23
    1994 BYU 18/10, Utah 10/8
    1996 BYU 5/5
    2001 BYU 25/24
    2003 Utah 21/21
    2004 Utah 4/5
    2006 BYU 16/15
    2007 BYU 14/15
    2008 BYU 25/21, Utah 2/4
    2009 BYU 12/12, Utah 18/18

    I will take a national championship and a top five raking in 1996, and a Cotton Bowl win over a ranked Kansas St team over your two BCS trips.

    When it is all said and done Utah has ended the final rankings only 6 times in the history of their program.


  • Not BYU Approved
    May 13, 2010 4:42 p.m.

    I love how every time a player or team has a story about it - the comments turn into a Utah vs. BYU bash party.

  • Big_Ben
    May 13, 2010 4:44 p.m.

    Chris B was on every utah basketball article this past year posting about how they were a legit top 25 team and how the sweet 16 was guaranteed. You are either:

    a) a BYU fan
    b) really really embarassing to ute fans like me

    to Quince Orchard:

    There aren't many ute fans, go back and count them. If you can reach that high.

    As far as Dennis Pitta goes, I think he will be a solid player. I think its funny how so many labeled him "unathletic" because he is white. He is VERY athletic and will be a great replacement to Todd Heap. his effort is always there, and he has the ability to back it up. BYU will miss him this year, but you guys always seem to have a stud at TE waiting in the wings.

  • Chris B
    May 13, 2010 4:53 p.m.

    Big Ben,

    You are mistaken. I said that Utah had just as good of a chance at winning a March Madness game as the cewgs did, and I was almost right. Some choked misses by Florida would have proved me right again.

    I do think Boylen will get our guys to the top 25 in the next year or two. We've had some selfish players lately which has destroyed team chemistry, but Boylen is still a fantastic coach and decent recruiter.

    Although, it's football season now, so let's get ready for some Utah domination! TDS had put together some consistent years lately overall, but with maxie and harvey(likely)gone, it's all going to come crashing down. Look for TDS to be at .500 at the end of the year!

    Go UTES

  • TrueBlue
    May 13, 2010 4:54 p.m.

    Things BYU hasn't done in football.

    Winning a BCS game

    Things Utah hasn't done in football.

    Winning a National Championship
    Winning a Heisman Trophy
    Beating a #1-ranked team

    Ranking those accomplishments

    1. National Championship
    2. Heisman Trophy
    3. BCS Win
    4. Beating a #1-ranked team

  • Big_Ben
    May 13, 2010 4:57 p.m.

    hey Justin, good for you. Thank you for the powerpoint presentation. Did you go show your mom? Is she going to put it on the fridge? Maybe you can show all the other kids what you did in the next sharing time!

  • Quince Orchard
    May 13, 2010 5:12 p.m.

    Big Ben

    Are you that insecure that you have to question another poster's ability to count?

    I noticed that there's an article about Michael David Reed, a Utah player who's also trying to make the Raven's roster that you either didn't read and/or didn't find interesting enough to post about.

    You proved my point exactly about how insecure Utah fans are that they're more concerned with their rival, BYU, than they are with their own team.

  • scenic view
    May 13, 2010 5:18 p.m.

    "I said that Utah had just as good of a chance at winning a March Madness game..."

    What a silly thing to say. Are all Utah fans this detached from reality?

  • BluCoug
    May 13, 2010 8:51 p.m.

    @ Chris B.

    Yep, I say beating the utes 2 out of 3 equals being an "ok" all american player on just an average team.

    Funny thing the utes could only beat him when his knee was jacked up.

  • BluCoug
    May 13, 2010 8:54 p.m.

    @ hedgehog

    The only thing overrated (more like overreacted) is your comment posts on a BYU article.

  • Naval Vet
    May 13, 2010 9:44 p.m.

    Re: TrueBlue

    Just to clarify...

    The “why?” never “won” a National Championship. They did manage to back into one though, by default, by narrowly escaping a substandard 6-5 Michigan team in a game that wasn’t a “National Championship” game. Since it wasn’t a National Championship game, your title was awarded by mere votes; not by their play on the field.

    The Heisman trophy is an individual award. Since there is no “i” in team, there is no way that trumps a win in a BCS bowl game.

    The tdS never beat a #1-ranked team. They did manage to upset a team in their season opener who held a preaseason #1 ranking, but since they did not win the National Championship that year, they were never REALLY the #1 team.

    But you were right about the part where ybU never won a BCS game. In fact, they’ve never even been INVITED to play in one.

  • BluCoug
    May 13, 2010 10:48 p.m.

    Just to clarify Navel Vet...

    Washington and Oklahoma had "every" opportunity to play BYU for the national championship, but they choose money over glory. In other words they were greedy and to chicken to play BYU. In case you forgot national champions were crown by just mere votes.

    I wouldn't talk too much smack about about Michigan, after all the who of who barely beat a horrible Michigan School that propelled the who of who into BcS run. Hummm and Michigan finished 3-9. Now that's something who can be proud of.

    As for rankings, a ranking is a ranking no matter how you try to slice and dice it. It is in the records books and it is recorded history. BYU indeed beat a number 1 ranked team for that week.

    Carry on...

  • Buster
    May 14, 2010 12:34 a.m.

    OK, this is gonna be another one of the "same old whine years" from the Utah fans again.

    It's simple. Count how well you have played against BYU recently. One win in four tries.

    Count your Doak Walkers Trophies, Heismans, Outlands, Davey O'Briens, National Championships and you get zero.

    How many Super Bowl MVP's?

    End of season Number One Rankings?

    Utah State even has an Outland Trophy winner.


    You have zip. Zero. Nada.

    Those are all either individual or team awards for being the best in the country. The BEST. Proven on the field, not a comment board.

    Let's measure how well your basketball program is doing.

    See, Weber State fans are not stupid enough to come on here, an article about Pita, and start smack talking.

    So get on here, tell us how you were "invited" into the BCS and the CBI (both will be obsolete and meaningless in 5 years), and how that somehow makes your program better when you can't do it on the field or the court.

    So bark, little doggies, bark. You're safe on the porch until next fall.

    Record Books.

    Scoreboard.

    I know...

    Next year...........

  • Jealous U
    May 14, 2010 12:35 a.m.

    Sorry hedgehog, backing into a championship entails being behind the #1 team going into the bowls and having another team knock them off for you.

    Since BYU was #1 in all of the polls entering the bowls, the Cougars earned the National Championship by beating their bowl opponent.

    Since Washington and Nebraska, who were both at-large teams, were more interested in $$$ than playing the #1 team for the National Championship, BYU was forced to play Michigan.

    Learn a little history before spouting off.

  • the hawk
    May 14, 2010 3:02 a.m.

    RE BluCoug,

    "As for rankings, a ranking is a ranking no matter how you try to slice and dice it. It is in the records books and it is recorded history. BYU indeed beat a number 1 ranked team for that week.

    Carry on... "

    As an unbiased objective viewer to all this humor these comment boards offer, your statment is correct. That being said while they were ranked #1 at the time that was a preseason ranking as pointed out by Navalvet. That's certainly not where they finished up the season. So the Y did beat a number one team but it ended up being irrelevant. Now to be fair, Utah didn't beat the team ranked #1 at the time but they did beat a team that was ranked for about six weeks at the tail end of the regular season. So literialy (sp) Utah didn't beat a #1 team but being realistic their accomplishment carries a little more weight in my mind.

  • MichiganCoog
    May 14, 2010 8:00 a.m.

    Unbelievable, provide them with facts and they still spout off about a Ute program that has only 2 season of National notoriety...Yes Ute fans, BYU has not been to a BCS bowl yet, big flippety deal. To talk the talk, and walk the walk, or shall we coog fans say, eat at the table of Football or any/all college sports in general...Beat us on the fields and courts, then you have a "smack-talk" leg to stand. BYU owns U, 3 out of 4, and 7 out of 8.

    Lets talk something different to illustrate my point. How many of you would run around and beat your chest about how the Utah Jazz have beaten the LA Lakers 2 out of 7 tries this season? You'd be laughed out of any discussion quicker than you can say MUSS...Scoreboards don't lie, and to attempt to smack talk w/ a 2-10 record in Football and Basketball over they past 4 years is just plain stupid. Go dust off your Sugar Bowl dvd's hug them tight, remember Linus in those Peanut comic strips? Remember his little blanky? Yes Utes, go clutch it tightly now...

  • Buster
    May 14, 2010 8:03 a.m.

    re:The Hawk

    "their accomplishment carries a little more weight in my mind."

    See, thank you.

    Hawk you nailed it on the head.

    It does not matter what anyone else thinks, all that is imortant is where you or I are at in our own minds. I'm not changing yours, your not changing mine, so there.

    So, maybe we can stop this silly "march to post ignorance" on the other teams page, and talk about our teams, and show some class on both sides of the rivalry.

    Personally, I would like to see a little more class come from both sides.

  • JustintimeY
    May 14, 2010 8:20 a.m.

    1983 Miami Hurricanes National Champions
    1984 BYU number 1 National Champs
    1985 Miami in top 10
    1986 Miami finished number 2
    1987 Miami finished number 1 National Champions
    1988 Miami finished number 2
    1989 Miami Hurricanes finished number 1 National Champs
    In 1990 the Miami Hurricanes where the team period, and ranked number 1 based on winning the national championship the year before.
    at the end of the 1990 season Miami was still ranked number 3 in the nation in both Polls. Miami had created a dynasty in college football in the 80s Please know your history before you make a complete fool of yourself!

  • hedgehog
    May 14, 2010 8:50 a.m.

    The fact that the Utah has climbed higher mountains in the past 6 years is what’s killing you kewgs. How desperately you want to call 2004 a “fluke” but painfully reconfirmed AGAIN in 2008. No PowerPoint statistical manipulation can hide the fact that the Utes are more relevant (i.e this decade) than the kewgs. You got to win the games you’re not supposed to win… it’s just that simple. Florida St. ouch!

    Go big or step to the side.

  • Buster
    May 14, 2010 9:01 a.m.

    Hedgehog. You keep using the word fact. I do not believe it means what you think it means...

  • utwingnut
    May 14, 2010 9:27 a.m.

    RE: hedgehog | 8:50 a.m. May 14, 2010

    You got to win the games you’re not supposed to win… it’s just that simple. UNLV ouch!

  • hedgehog
    May 14, 2010 9:41 a.m.

    Buster,

    Utah has reach an WON two BCS bowl games in the past 6 years. If I'm not mistaken a BCS bowl is a little "higher" up the food chain than the Macco Vegas bowl played in early December. FACT.

    Still don't get it? probably not.


  • Fiddler
    May 14, 2010 9:48 a.m.

    hedgehog, we get it, you guys won 2 BCS games. That is all well and good. Win a national championship or get your bball players to control their druling problem while playing then come talk. FACT.

    Still don't get it? probably not.

  • utahcountyute
    May 14, 2010 9:51 a.m.

    Buster

    If there was not so much spewing forth of byu fan garbage that needed to be policed, I would agree.

    Michigan Coog

    You say "byu owns U". In my mind that would be 3 or more years in a row of you beating us right? Atleast, that is what I would call "owning". byu has not owned the Utes. Infact, in football, I believe the Utes have owned the coogs more recently then the coogs have owned the Utes. 93-95 and 2002-2005.

    btw.. the last 6 byu wins over Utah were decided by
    18 points total. Just happens to be less than the 24 point thumping you got from us in 08. I would not call that "owning".

  • SportsFan
    May 14, 2010 9:51 a.m.

    The fact that Utah has descended to lower valleys in the past 5 years is

    what's killing you hedgehog. How desperately you want to feel that your

    team is one of the big boys, but the Utes have lost TWICE as many

    MWC games as BYU, have finished behind the Cougars in the MWC

    standings, in the polls, in double-digit win seasons, and in head-to-head.

    No feable attempt to minimize the facts will change that:

    @TCU 23-23
    @North Carolina 17-31
    @CSU 17-21
    SDSU 19-28
    NM 27-31
    @UCLA 10-31
    Boise State 3-36
    @Wyoming 15-31
    @NM 31-34
    AFA 12-20
    BYU 31-33
    @Oregon State 7-24
    @UNLV 0-27
    @BYU 10-17
    @Oregon 24-31
    @TCU 28-57
    @BYU 23-26

    You've got to win the games you're supposed to win... it's just that

    simple. UNLV 0-27 OUCH!

    2005 BYU(2nd), Utah(4th)
    2006 BYU(1st) #16/#15, Utah unranked
    2007 BYU(1st) #14/#14, Utah unranked
    2008 BYU(3rd) #25/#21, Utah #2/#4
    2009 BYU(2nd) #12/#12, Utah(3rd) #18/#18

  • SportsFan
    May 14, 2010 10:00 a.m.

    Utah has descended to lower valleys in the past 5 years and that fact is what's killing you hedgehog. You desperately want to feel that your team is one of the big boys, but the Utes have lost TWICE as many MWC games as BYU and the Utes have also suffered some very ugly OOC losses.

    No feable attempt to minimize the facts will change these Utah losses:

    at TCU 20-23
    at North Carolina 17-31
    at CSU 17-21
    SDSU 19-28
    NM 27-31
    at UCLA 10-31
    Boise State 3-36
    at Wyoming 15-31
    at NM 31-34
    AFA 12-20
    BYU 31-33
    at Oregon State 7-24
    at UNLV 0-27
    at BYU 10-17
    at Oregon 24-31
    at TCU 28-57
    at BYU 23-26

    You've got to win the games you're supposed to win... it's just that simple.

    UNLV 0-27 OUCH!

    2005 BYU(2nd), Utah(4th)
    2006 BYU(1st) #16/#15, Utah unranked
    2007 BYU(1st) #14/#14, Utah unranked
    2008 BYU(3rd) #25/#21, Utah #2/#4
    2009 BYU(2nd) #12/#12, Utah(3rd) #18/#18

  • TrueBlue
    May 14, 2010 10:21 a.m.

    The more you try to distort the facts, the sillier you look hedgehog.

    The true measure of a NATIONALLY recognized football program is consistently finishing in the Top 25.

    Sure, the Utes did that in 2004 and 2008, but what about all of the other years in Utah football history?

    In the music industry, history is littered with bands that had ONE HIT, they're called ONE HIT WONDERS.

    They had ONE HIT that made them famous, but nobody tries to argue that they were a great band because they had ONE HIT.

    Utah is like that in football, except that the Utes are TWO HIT wonders.

    With little else.

    BYU: SEVENTEEN Top 25 finishes in the last 33 years, including FOUR in a row.

    Utah: SIX Top 25 finishes in the last 46 years, including TWO in a row.

    Even in Utah's BCS-busting era, Utah still hasn't been able to finish in the Top 25 as often as BYU.

    No PowerPoint presentation, hedgehog, just facts.

  • hedgehog
    May 14, 2010 10:21 a.m.

    And hear comes the Powerpoints LOL!!

    Bottom Line is this. Utah accomplished everything within there control. They left no room for excuses. The results speaks for themselves with no need for manipulative statistics to disguise unsightly blemishes ( Fl.St, TCU..ouch).

    It’s the 800 pound gorilla that Kewg fan just can’t come to terms with.

    Third times the charm ;)

  • PureOpinion
    May 14, 2010 10:29 a.m.

    Utah does deserve credit for both of their BCS bowl wins. Especially in '08. Both years they went undefeated and topped it off with bowl win. They showed that they could back it up on the field (two years in the last 30) So go ahead, marinate in the glory...

    Now instead of endless debates about past seasons, lets talk about the coming season and the future of these programs shall we? It seems like whenever the topic comes up the (Runnin)Utes run and hide.

    Now lets have a conversation based on fact.
    Recruiting for 2010
    Fact #1: BYU recruiting Class: #22
    Fact #2: Utah's recruiting class: #50
    Ouch...What does that tell you about the future of these programs?

    Chris B, did you stutter? Hedgehog? Naval Vet?

  • Buster
    May 14, 2010 10:30 a.m.

    re:Utah County Ute:

    Spewing, or talking about BYU football and Dennis Pita on an article about BYU football and Dennis Pita?

    Look at the same article on Reed with the Ravens, and tell me who is "spewing". Any Cewgs over there spewing inane "facts"? Anyone posting at all? Anyone care?

    Hedgehog:

    We know, two games in 50 years.

    (slow clap)

    Happy? We know.

    Other than that, your program is not impressive, has been embarassing at times, your fans and studentbody (see Chronicle) are on occasion classless, and your basketball proram is in the tank.

    I apologize that you when you begin posting straw arguments and selective "facts" (I think that is what you call your selective forulation of an argument), that you look silly and immature to everyone else. I guess that it just the way it is.

    No one would be happer than BYU fans if Utah had a solid program. Notice all the compliments your team got from BYU fans for your succes in the SugarBowl.

    Just have a clear, insightful thought sometimes and throw that in, and it will all be good.

  • utahcountyute
    May 14, 2010 10:33 a.m.

    Sportsfan

    Like I said, policing the garbage that spews forth from byu fans.

    Has BYU owned the Utes recently in football? That was the question. As I clearly laid out above, NO.

    Do you keep those stats on a word doc and save them for each time you come on here? They don't mean much when it does not apply to the question asked.

    We will keep coming back with this question to you all as well: How many Undefeated seasons have the coogs had recently??? What kind of lame stats can you come up with to back that up? Keep digging.

  • Fiddler
    May 14, 2010 10:37 a.m.

    hedgehog, SW Baptist

  • scott
    May 14, 2010 10:45 a.m.

    utahcountyute's definition of "spewing garbage" seems to be the presentation of any FACT that disagrees with his distorted view of reality.

    His belief that one big win somehow counterbalances three losses is silly.

    This argument only seems to work for the Utes when Utah is on the upside of a big win.

    When Utah barely squeaks out a win, such as in 2008, when the Utes were lucky to get past Oregon State and TCU, then a win is a win for them.

    And, of course, the Utes file away all of their big losses like they never happened.

    at UCLA
    Boise State
    at Oregon State
    at UNLV
    at TCU

    The Utes are great at remembering the big wins, but they develop mass amnesia when in comes to any kind of loss or close win.

    Didn't Utah just barely beat BYU in OVERTIME in 2005 (41-34)?

    and

    Didn't a Top 25 Utah team just barely beat the worst BYU team in 50 years by only THREE points in 2003 (3-0)?

  • royalblue
    May 14, 2010 10:57 a.m.

    no garbage,

    Just the Facts hedgehog and utahcountyute

    Top 25 Finishes in the history of BYU and Utah football

    1964 Utah unranked/#14
    1977 BYU #20/#16
    1979 BYU #13/#12
    1980 BYU #12/#12
    1981 BYU #13/#11
    1983 BYU #7/#7
    1984 BYU #1/#1 National Champions
    1985 BYU #16/#17
    1989 BYU #22/#18
    1990 BYU #22/#17
    1991 BYU #23/#23
    1994 BYU #18/#10, Utah #10/#8
    1996 BYU #5/#5 Cotton Bowl win
    2001 BYU #25/#24
    2003 Utah #21/#21
    2004 Utah #4/#5 Fiesta Bowl win
    2006 BYU #16/#15
    2007 BYU #14/#15
    2008 BYU #25/#21, Utah #2/#4 Sugar Bowl win
    2009 BYU #12/#12, Utah #18/#18

  • Big_Ben
    May 14, 2010 10:58 a.m.

    Quince Orchard, you make me laugh. It sounds to me like you are trying to convince yourself. Just relax man, life is good! Dont be so stressed!

  • Utes Fan
    May 14, 2010 11:01 a.m.

    Again and again. Over and over. It is soooooo funny.

    Cougar fans putting down Utah's two BCS bowl wins.

    Of course, when the season starts up, Cougar fans will hope their team makes it to a BCS bowl. Of course, they will tell Utah fans that a BCS bowl is nothing, let alone TWO of them. Then, silently, secretly, Cougar fans will hope for a BCS bowl. Cougar fans will cheer their team for an undefeated season so they can go to a BCS bowl. Then tell Utah fans a BCS bowl is nothing.

    The logic is so funny. It is the best entertainment around.

    And it happens on these comment boards. Again and again and again. Over and over. And I laugh at it again and again over and over. Once again: Cougar fans putting down Utah's two BCS bowl wins, while hoping their team does just that.

    Funny!

  • hedgehog
    May 14, 2010 11:08 a.m.

    PureOpin

    "Now lets have a conversation based on fact.
    Recruiting for 2010
    Fact #1: BYU recruiting Class: #22
    Fact #2: Utah's recruiting class: #50
    Ouch...What does that tell you about the future of these programs?"

    Fact? You sound a little green pureopium.

    I suggest you dig a bit deeper on your (i.e BYU’s) “recruiting” service. BYU has a “special” relationship with that outfit, somehow guaranteeing maximum kewg exposure…. As far as the Utes, well, that don’t get mixed up in those kinda “arrangments”. Because Utah doesn’t “support” said recruiting service they don’t get an unbiased evaluation — several of there JC players aren’t even mentioned.

    Now if you look at the National recruiting service that doesn’t look for “skin in the game”, well you’ll see that Utah ranked far ahead of the Kewgs.

    A little assignment for ya: What three INSTATE prospects did BYU lose out to the Utes to in the 2011 class? How many head to heads has Utah lost.

    Yes, let’s talk about the future.



  • Buster
    May 14, 2010 11:16 a.m.

    It is interesting that this discussion is happening on a BYU article about Pita, whil the Reed article about latching onto the Ravens has only 11 comments (including mine).

    I think that speaks volumes of where you need to go to discuss a "real" football program.

    Feel free to hang with the "cewg" fans anytime, the Ute fans are few and far between (like their wins).

    Scoreboard...

  • Big_Ben
    May 14, 2010 11:27 a.m.

    royal blue,

    what is your point? that byu consistently beats average teams and inflates themselves but never really breaks through? thats what I got from your powerpoint there.

  • Solomon Levi
    May 14, 2010 11:33 a.m.

    I haven't seen any BYU fans "putting down" Utah's two BCS seasons; Utah fans can be justifiably proud of what Utah accomplished 2004 and 2008, and many BYU fans have praised Utah for those seasons.

    What BYU fans have a problem with is Utah fans thinking that two great seasons has suddenly transformed Utah into a great football program.

    Two great seasons in 6 years does not a great football program make.

    If the Utes keep this up for another decade, then, yes, you could mark 2003 as the start of establishing a great football program at Utah.

    For now, Utah football fits the classic definition of a flash in the pan, a one hit wonder, or 15 minutes of fame.

    Brief, but unsustained success.

  • Big_Ben
    May 14, 2010 11:43 a.m.

    Buster, you owe me a new computer. I just spit water all over mine laughing at your comment. Talk about insecure!

  • the hawk
    May 14, 2010 12:01 p.m.

    RE Scott, Hey there I came back to the board because I needed a laugh and saw your post. I don't think one big win counterbalances three miracle losses but I do think you need to play fair here.
    "When Utah barely squeaks out a win, such as in 2008, when the Utes were lucky to get past Oregon State and TCU, then a win is a win for them." The same can be applied to you cougar fans as well, such as narrowly avoiding being winless Washington's lone season victory, or being New Mexico's 2nd victory last season. The pendelum swings both ways my friend. "And, of course, the Utes file away all of their big losses like they never happened." I will acknowledge them. We had 5 bad losses since the 2004 season. How many have you guys had? Off the top of my head I can think of 2 to TCU, 1 to Utah, 1 to FSU, and one to Arizona. Again, both ways... You cite overtime wins and miracle victory wins against the Y. Hasn't that been your bread and butter for those "3 of the last 4" wins against the U?

  • royalblue
    May 14, 2010 12:02 p.m.

    Big_Ben,

    BYU doesn't have to "inflate" their success; the Cougars have been nationally recognized for their success.

    All of the Top 25 finishes and national individual awards that BYU has received are proof that it's not just BYU fans who have recognized BYU's success.

    Utah does have some big wins, but what about all the Utah losses that Utah fans pretend never happened?

    Utah can't even beat the average teams on their schedule consistently.

    Bronco has lost 6 MWC games TOTAL, in five years. Five of those six losses were to TCU or Utah; only THREE MWC losses in the last FOUR years.

    When was the last time Utah only had 3 conference losses in four years?

    Hint: It's been over two-thirds of a CENTURY since that happened!

    Kyle has lost 12 MWC games, including at least one to EVERY team in the MWC; two losses last year, almost as many as BYU has had in the last four years.

    When Utah starts consistently beating the average teams on their schedule, plus winning those big games, then Utah will be ranked consistently, like BYU has been for the past 33 years.

  • kat
    May 14, 2010 12:13 p.m.

    Just read a blog by University of Texas fans who are talking about BYU coming to the B12. Naval viewer and hedgehog may want to stay away from the comments though - completly blows a hole in their theory that Utah is much more respected nationally than is BYU. My favorite comment from that blog?

    1. Utah - pretty far away, only competitive in suspect years, getting some mixed results across the board and shaky academics (at best).

  • Chris B
    May 14, 2010 12:13 p.m.

    Stop the Yning tds. This year you're be dwelling around .500, while you watch us FOR THE THIRD TIME march to a bcs game. The only game that would scare me is the TCU game, but with it at RES, we'll pull out a close one, just like the last game at RES against them.

    BCS 3!!!! Gotta love it baby

  • Utes Fan
    May 14, 2010 12:17 p.m.

    @royalblue "Kyle has lost 12 MWC games, including at least one to EVERY team in the MWC; two losses last year, almost as many as BYU has had in the last four years."

    One thing that often gets lost in these discussions is the effects of Utah's BCS bowl seasons. Each time Utah lost BOTH the offensive coordinator and defensive coordinator. It takes a year or two to get the team together effectively after losing both coordinators. After the Sugar Bowl victory, Utah lost THREE defensive players that were not seniors to the NFL. BYU lost Collie. Take that into consideration when thinking about Utah's 2009 season, and the last-second overtime victory BYU had.

    BYU has not had the "luxury" of having to rebuild after the losing of personnel (both players and coaches) due to the BCS bowl seasons. Most national powerhouses have to deal with this also. BYU has not. Thus, they can be more consistent year to year, but haven't had the big BCS bowl wins. Colin Cowherd on ESPN radio made this point one time. This IS the reason why BYU has more overall conference wins, and I don't mind.

  • Jealous U
    May 14, 2010 12:18 p.m.

    the hawk

    What a laugh; another Utah troll posing as an "unbiased objective observer"!

    For truth in advertising, you should have added "red-tailed" to your moniker; or just used "the swoop", although, since Utah now uses "UnderArm or" as their official uni's, that might be a problem.

    You talked about BYU's close wins to mediocre teams, now talk about Utah's LOSSES to mediocre teams.

  • hedgehog
    May 14, 2010 12:20 p.m.

    "When Utah starts consistently beating the average teams on their schedule, plus winning those big games, then Utah will be ranked consistently, like BYU has been for the past 33 years"

    I don’t understand this logic? BYU usually wins against average teams but rarely wins the “big” games? So what you’re saying is that you don’t need to win the big games to be nationally ranked? Sounds like a real badge of honor.



  • Jealous U
    May 14, 2010 12:25 p.m.

    re: Chris B

    BcS: Gotta laugh at it baby!

    Utah will be lucky to equal their 10-3 record from last season.

    The only whiners I've seen are the Utah trolls trying to convince themselves that two Top 25 finishes in the last four years is somehow better than four Top 25 finishes in the same time span.

    3 of 4 baby!

  • hedgehog
    May 14, 2010 12:32 p.m.

    Kat,

    “completly blows a hole in their theory that Utah is much more respected nationally than is BYU”

    I’ve really never heard the theory that Utah is more respected the BYU. The real “theory” is that BYU offers “things” most rational civilization disagree with. Trust me, BYU isn’t getting shunned by the Pac10 simply because it isn’t a research school.

  • royalblue
    May 14, 2010 12:45 p.m.

    Bottom line, hedgehog, is you have to consistently WIN.

    It doesn't matter whether they're big games or small games, bottom line, to be ranked consistently, you have to WIN consistently.

    If you do that AND win the big games, you're not talking just Top 25, you're talking Top 10 and/or National Championship.

    And yes, as much as you foolishly make light of it, finishing in the Top 25 IS a real badge of honor, something you obviously can't appreciate, since Utah so seldom accomplishes it.

    Utah fans like to beat their chests about their long string of bowl wins.

    Tell me, how many of those Utah bowl-winning teams finished in the Top 25?

    If they didn't finish in the Top 25, check the rest of their schedule and you'll find several losses to mediocre teams along the way.

    If you want respect you have to earn it.

    If you want to know if you've earned respect for a particular season, check the final Top 25.

    #1 = National Champion (the MOST respected team)
    Top 10 = Great Team
    Top 25 = Very Good Team
    Less than Top 25 = Less than Very Good

  • Puddy
    May 14, 2010 12:46 p.m.

    Re: hedgie

    Yes, actually it has been a real badge of honor being ranked consistently for the last 30+ years. Of course, you and other Ute fans wouldn't know what that felt like.

  • Samwise
    May 14, 2010 12:51 p.m.

    Haha! All the brainless smack talk on both sides makes me laugh. I am a Cougar fan but I must admit that I have some pretty silly fellow Cougar fans. But I think they are slightly out done by some Utah fans. I think most of the fan base on both sides is actually quite rational. There are just the loud ones/the ones with nothing better to do then comment here that are not very rational.

  • Fiddler
    May 14, 2010 12:53 p.m.

    Utah fans, answer this, why post on our articles so often?

  • kat
    May 14, 2010 12:55 p.m.

    hedgehog;
    why would I TRUST one who is so consistently wrong and always so dillusionaly illogical????

  • JustintimeY
    May 14, 2010 12:55 p.m.

    According to Utah logic ever win that BYU has is a bad win. Like beating Oklahoma last year or Oregon St. Both teams finished 8 and 5 and while not dominate, where not door mates. Both teams where better than the Pittsburgh team of 04, and the Michigan win of 08 that U fans pound their chest about.

  • royalblue
    May 14, 2010 1:07 p.m.

    re: Utes Fan

    Nice spin about having to rebuild after a great season; now please explain how BYU did THIS:

    1979 11-1 #13/#12 WAC champions
    1980 12-1 #12/#12 WAC champions
    1981 11-2 #13/#11 WAC champions
    1982 8-4 unranked, WAC champions
    1983 11-1 #7/#7 WAC champions
    1984 13-0 #1/#1 WAC champions
    1985 11-3 #16/#17 WAC champions

    BYU also lost great coaches and replaced great quarterbacks during those years.

    Even after their National Championship year, BYU still went 11-3, losing only three games by a TOTAL of 13 points. BYU lost to #14/#11 Ohio State (9-3, 1st tie) 7-10 in the Citrus Bowl.

  • Big_Ben
    May 14, 2010 1:16 p.m.

    Fiddler: there is hardly a monopoly. dont get too self righteous.

  • Buster
    May 14, 2010 1:17 p.m.

    re:Hedgehog 12:20 PM

    "I don’t understand this logic."

    That is the problem right there, my friend. You and your Ute buddies posting.

    My suggestion. Take a logic class, or at least, get a GED.

  • Quince Orchard
    May 14, 2010 1:35 p.m.

    CBSsports:

    "...Notre Dame, BYU, Texas, the biggest prizes"

    College Footballogy:

    The New Pac-10

    The Pac-10 needs two teams to achieve the 12-team format that brings about the ability for the championship game, and as everyone has expected, they will bring in Utah and Colorado.

    The New Big 12

    The Big 12 will need a replacement for Colorado, and BYU will do the trick. Simple enough. Lose one market, bring in another.

    TCU does not give anything Texas doesn't already give the Big 12, so why not add a market with a passionate fan base that actually draws more than 50,000 fans per game, not to mention will bring the interest of Mormons from around the country to focus on Big 12 football.

    Plus, the BYU-Baylor games should be interesting.

  • hedgehog
    May 14, 2010 1:41 p.m.

    "My suggestion. Take a logic class, or at least, get a GED."

    Trust me Buster, I have know interest in taking zoobie logic classes. I would only lead to confusion and delusion. i've heard it's a required course at the bubble.

  • hedgehog
    May 14, 2010 1:43 p.m.

    "CBSsports:

    "...Notre Dame, BYU, Texas, the biggest prizes"

    Total made up. Nice try Quincey.

  • CG
    May 14, 2010 1:50 p.m.

    It's interesting how Utah fan pretend that being ranked is no big deal, but we all know that as soon the preseason rankings are posted with Utah ranked and BYU not ranked, hedgehog, utahcountyute, Naval Vet, Chris B, and all the other Utah trolls, who spam every BYU article, will be tripping over themselves trying to get to their computers to spout off about Utah being ranked and BYU not being ranked in a PRESEASON poll.

    Prove me wrong hedgehog!


    I can already see the HA HA HA's ooozing from their pudgy little fingers.

  • Fiddler
    May 14, 2010 1:51 p.m.

    Utes Fan, so the reason UNLV made Utah look like a bunch of Jerry's kids is because Utah had to rebuild players and coaches from the BCS wins? I'm not buying it.

  • Fiddler
    May 14, 2010 1:53 p.m.

    Big Ben, can you answer the question?

  • cheezster08
    May 14, 2010 1:55 p.m.

    hedgehog, chris b

    Get a life!!

  • Quince Orchard
    May 14, 2010 1:59 p.m.

    Google it hedgy:

    May 12, 2010
    By Ray Ratto
    CBSSports dot com Columnist

    Here's the exact quote:

    "But here's the kicker, the one thing that we haven't had yet -- Notre Dame, BYU and Texas, the biggest prizes on the cash continuum, just tarting themselves up, rouge, fishnets, stilettos, the whole nine yards, and going from conference to conference saying, 'We know what we all are here, so just make us an offer.'"

  • Buster
    May 14, 2010 2:08 p.m.

    Hedgehog

    "Trust me Buster, I have know interest in taking zoobie logic classes."

    I graduated from Cal State Santa Barbara, and logic is required for any University diploma. I'm sure it is required at the U also.


    I was just suggesting the idea, because logic really does help you understand logical arguments.

    Feel free to continue with your illogical arguments, and then wonder why you make people laugh...

  • scenic view
    May 14, 2010 2:11 p.m.

    I'm confused about the logic that beating a ranked opponent is a big deal, but being ranked, especially at the end of the season, is not a big deal.

    Could one of the "experts" please explain that?

  • Fiddler
    May 14, 2010 2:11 p.m.

    QO, now that there are facts provided, hedgehog will move on to something else. Lesson: don't waste your time looking things up for him that make sense, he's not worth it. Best approach is to just laugh at his bball program with him.

  • Fiddler
    May 14, 2010 2:13 p.m.

    LOL, hedgehog, you have 3 posts on the Reed article, all about BYU. Obsessed much?

  • Buster
    May 14, 2010 2:20 p.m.

    It does make sense...
    "Hedgehogs have many alternate defense mechanisms. In most situations a hedgehog will flee rather than confront a threat, rolled up in a ball or not. All hedgehogs possess the stamina to run, many can make 4.5 miles per hour or better, and are particularly adept at climbing steep walls, trees, and fences and even swimming.

    Hedgehogs are fairly vocal and communicate through a combination of grunts, snuffles and/or squeals, depending on species."

    Logic is not ever mentioned.

    :-)

    Have a good day.

  • Idaho Coug
    May 14, 2010 2:22 p.m.

    I know that a few Cougs don't feel this way but I think most Cougar fans know that a successful Ute team is in BYU's best interest. What good does it do to beat a 2-3 win Ute team at the end of the regular season? We should always want the Utes to be successful for the good of the State and this rivalry. I like the Utes but it feels that much better to beat a good Ute team. Who wants this rivalry to become another BYU-USU matchup? I don't. I truly think those BYU fans who want Utah to do poorly are pretty short sighted.

    As for this season - Unga's loss will hurt more than many think. Yeah Quezada and a few returners have potential but Unga would have been leaned on big time by a new QB and offense breaking in new TEs. We have a solid o-line but I'm worried that a brand new QB will largely have to rely on his WRs. Washington, AFA, FSU, Nevada, TCU and Utah all COULD be losses.

    Best of luck to Pitta and I'd like to see Beck emerge.

  • royalblue
    May 14, 2010 2:49 p.m.

    College Football Cafeteria did a comparison of different preseason rankings (the AP Poll and USA Today Poll won't be releaed until August), and predict the actual 2010 college football preseason rankings should look something like this:

    1. Alabama
    2. Ohio State
    3. Boise State
    4. Oregon
    5. Texas
    6. Florida
    7. Virginia Tech
    8. Iowa
    9. TCU
    10. Nebraska
    11. Wisconsin
    12. Georgia Tech
    13. Oklahoma
    14. Miami
    15. USC
    16. LSU
    17. Penn State
    18. Oregon State
    19. Arkansas
    20. North Carolina
    21. Pitt
    22. Cincinnati
    23. Georgia
    24. Houston
    25. Uconn

    Others receiving votes: Utah, West Virginia, South Carolina, Florida State, Cal, Auburn, Tennessee, Missouri, Texas Tech, Stanford, Arizona, BYU, Michigan, Navy Midshipmen, Nevada

  • sports-junkie
    May 14, 2010 3:04 p.m.

    How long has it been since Ronnie Mac retired? How ever long thats been is EXACTLY how long its been since the utes have had more than a mediocre football team. Has it even been 10 years yet?...

  • utahcountyute
    May 14, 2010 3:50 p.m.

    Scott

    No, a win is a win and a loss is a loss in my book.

    How about FSU and TCU at home for the coogs last year? I bet that FSU game really hurt after you beat Oklahoma. cheers

  • Fiddler
    May 14, 2010 3:59 p.m.

    utahcountyute, of course the FSU game really hurt, what is your point?

    I bet the BYU game really hurt you as well. Cheers

    Let me make this clear to any and all Utah fans that can read. Everything you say to cut down our athletic program means absolutely nothing merely because of the fact that we have scoreboard smack. That is the end all, be all of smack. Once you beat us, come talk.

  • scott
    May 14, 2010 4:09 p.m.

    losses last 5 years

    2009 BYU 2 Utah 3
    2008 BYU 3 Utah 0
    2007 BYU 2 Utah 4
    2006 BYU 2 Utah 5
    2005 BYU 6 Utah 5

    Total BYU 15 Utah 17

    Even with an undefeated season, Utah still has more losses that BYU in the last 5 years.

    How about all those Utah losses to UNLV, Wyoming, AFA, NM and CSU, teams Bronco hasn't lost to since he became head coach?

    Cheers!

  • Big_Ben
    May 14, 2010 4:33 p.m.

    This is the most juvenile comment thread in quite some time. Neither side wins, you both only win in your own mind. The truly laughable comments on both sides have been, well, truly laughable. Grow up everyone.

    I think (getting back to the article at hand) that Dennis Pitta is going to have a Chad Lewis-type career. Like I said earlier, his work ethic is superb and his athleticism is underrated. I dont know how much time he will get as a rookie, but i am expecting great things.

    As someone else said, anytime a local player can have success at the NFL level, it is great for everyone.

  • utahcountyute
    May 14, 2010 4:41 p.m.

    fid, can I call you fid?

    Point being, that game for byu faithful was the wake up call that you had no chance of getting to a BCS game again like your accomplished rival had just done the year before.

    scott

    So a difference of 2 losses between them over 5 years. Is that your definition of "owning"?

  • scott
    May 14, 2010 5:10 p.m.

    Who said anything about owning?

    I'm content settling for better.

    Anyway you slice it hedgehog, the ONLY year in the last 5 that Utah was clearly better was 2008.

    BYU was clearly better in 2009, 2007 and 2006.

    2005, the year Bronco was truly rebuilding BYU football after Crowton destroyed it, was a wash.

    Utah won the head-to-head, in overtime, but BYU finished ahead of Utah in the final MWC standings.

    FOUR Top 25 finishes to TWO is proof that the national pundits and coaches agree.

  • Utes Fan
    May 14, 2010 10:32 p.m.

    @scott "losses last 5 years Total BYU 15 Utah 17"

    Include bowl games: Total BYU 16 Utah 17

    @scott "FOUR Top 25 finishes to TWO is proof that the national pundits and coaches agree."

    Top Ten finishes: Utah two BYU zero
    BCS Bowls: Utah two BYU zero

    All depends on how you present the numbers, my friend.

  • Utes Fan
    May 14, 2010 11:04 p.m.

    continued... (pushed 'Add you comment' too soon!)

    Going back one more year makes Utah look better. The number of losses (including bowl games) is now: BYU 22 Utah 17 along with those top ten finishes.

  • the hawk
    May 15, 2010 12:36 a.m.

    RE Jealous U, Red tailed or swoop eh? Wow... Actually I don't care for either team. The team I support is on the east coast. My name is "the hawk" because I went to Alta High School. That is their mascot you know. I find the banter and bickering funny. I am unbiased in all truth. The only reason you don't see me addressing the pro U comments is because there are already 5 comments tearing each of them down. Just trying to keep things objective here. Thanks for "busting" me and making such a pointed judgment. Laugh at me all you want, but can you dispute my facts? Did the Y almost become Washington's only win or not? (that means was it extremely close) Same question for the New Mexico game last year. Did those teams I listed not blow out the cougars? Were the last 3 victories over the U last second miracle plays or not? Why are you laughing at what I'm saying if it's simply the truth. I didn't try to defend the U but I'm not going to stick up for the Y either.

  • sports-junkie
    May 16, 2010 3:27 p.m.

    @ the hawk

    Go ask a ute fan if it matters HOW you win...2008 (I cant remember if it was TCU or OSU who missed 2 or 3 fg that would have beat them)

    As a die hard BYU fan I would agree. Nobody cares about what it took to win the game as long as you win. Who cares that the Cougs 'could have been' Washington's only win, fact is, they weren't. There are games played every year by the Cougs and Utes that should have been a runaway (AFA took the Utes to OT last year and NM made it very interesting against the Cougs) but it doesnt work that way and that's why they play the games. Bottom line is the record at the end of the year.

    Ask any utah fan if they think they should have an astrisk on their 2008 season because one of their opponents missed a fg that would have given the utes a loss. Weak argument.

  • the hawk
    May 17, 2010 11:33 p.m.

    RE sports-junkie, I agree it doesn't matter how you win so long as you win. That's the whole point I've been trying to make. If a Y fan is going to rip on the U for a narrow victory then they certainly better be willing to point out their own. That's all I'm getting at. It is funny watching people in glass houses throwing stones though. For the record the missed field goals in 08 were from TCU. It was just like halfitme. He kept hitting the uprights then too lol.

  • Buster
    May 18, 2010 1:09 a.m.

    @Hawk

    "RE sports-junkie, I agree it doesn't matter how you win so long as you win."

    How do you feel about crystal football trophies?

  • the hawk
    May 18, 2010 11:55 a.m.

    Re Buster

    Well Crystal football trophies are nice. I'll be the first to say that Utah doesn't have one and the Y does. However, I'll also say that with a good crystal growing kit Utah could have one the same size considering there's 26 years to grow it. How about an updated version? One is the lonliest number so why not make it two. The U could have been happy with 1 undefeated season and a pretty trophy to go with it but that's lame so we did it twice (recently too!) ;)