Re BusterWell Crystal football trophies are nice. I'll be the first
to say that Utah doesn't have one and the Y does. However, I'll also say that
with a good crystal growing kit Utah could have one the same size considering
there's 26 years to grow it. How about an updated version? One is the lonliest
number so why not make it two. The U could have been happy with 1 undefeated
season and a pretty trophy to go with it but that's lame so we did it twice
(recently too!) ;)
@Hawk"RE sports-junkie, I agree it doesn't matter how you win so
long as you win."How do you feel about crystal football trophies?
RE sports-junkie, I agree it doesn't matter how you win so long as you win.
That's the whole point I've been trying to make. If a Y fan is going to rip on
the U for a narrow victory then they certainly better be willing to point out
their own. That's all I'm getting at. It is funny watching people in glass
houses throwing stones though. For the record the missed field goals in 08
were from TCU. It was just like halfitme. He kept hitting the uprights then too
@ the hawkGo ask a ute fan if it matters HOW you win...2008 (I cant
remember if it was TCU or OSU who missed 2 or 3 fg that would have beat them)As a die hard BYU fan I would agree. Nobody cares about what it took to
win the game as long as you win. Who cares that the Cougs 'could have been'
Washington's only win, fact is, they weren't. There are games played every year
by the Cougs and Utes that should have been a runaway (AFA took the Utes to OT
last year and NM made it very interesting against the Cougs) but it doesnt work
that way and that's why they play the games. Bottom line is the record at the
end of the year.Ask any utah fan if they think they should have an
astrisk on their 2008 season because one of their opponents missed a fg that
would have given the utes a loss. Weak argument.
RE Jealous U, Red tailed or swoop eh? Wow... Actually I don't care for
either team. The team I support is on the east coast. My name is "the hawk"
because I went to Alta High School. That is their mascot you know. I find the
banter and bickering funny. I am unbiased in all truth. The only reason you
don't see me addressing the pro U comments is because there are already 5
comments tearing each of them down. Just trying to keep things objective here.
Thanks for "busting" me and making such a pointed judgment. Laugh at me all you
want, but can you dispute my facts? Did the Y almost become Washington's only
win or not? (that means was it extremely close) Same question for the New Mexico
game last year. Did those teams I listed not blow out the cougars? Were the
last 3 victories over the U last second miracle plays or not? Why are you
laughing at what I'm saying if it's simply the truth. I didn't try to defend the
U but I'm not going to stick up for the Y either.
continued... (pushed 'Add you comment' too soon!)Going back one more
year makes Utah look better. The number of losses (including bowl games) is now:
BYU 22 Utah 17 along with those top ten finishes.
@scott "losses last 5 years Total BYU 15 Utah 17"Include bowl games:
Total BYU 16 Utah 17@scott "FOUR Top 25 finishes to TWO is proof
that the national pundits and coaches agree."Top Ten finishes: Utah
two BYU zeroBCS Bowls: Utah two BYU zeroAll depends on how you
present the numbers, my friend.
Who said anything about owning?I'm content settling for better.Anyway you slice it hedgehog, the ONLY year in the last 5 that Utah was
clearly better was 2008.BYU was clearly better in 2009, 2007 and
2006.2005, the year Bronco was truly rebuilding BYU football after
Crowton destroyed it, was a wash.Utah won the head-to-head, in
overtime, but BYU finished ahead of Utah in the final MWC standings.FOUR Top 25 finishes to TWO is proof that the national pundits and coaches
fid, can I call you fid?Point being, that game for byu faithful was
the wake up call that you had no chance of getting to a BCS game again like your
accomplished rival had just done the year before.scottSo
a difference of 2 losses between them over 5 years. Is that your definition of
This is the most juvenile comment thread in quite some time. Neither side wins,
you both only win in your own mind. The truly laughable comments on both sides
have been, well, truly laughable. Grow up everyone. I think
(getting back to the article at hand) that Dennis Pitta is going to have a Chad
Lewis-type career. Like I said earlier, his work ethic is superb and his
athleticism is underrated. I dont know how much time he will get as a rookie,
but i am expecting great things. As someone else said, anytime a
local player can have success at the NFL level, it is great for everyone.
losses last 5 years2009 BYU 2 Utah 32008 BYU 3 Utah 02007 BYU 2 Utah 42006 BYU 2 Utah 52005 BYU 6 Utah 5Total BYU 15 Utah 17Even with an undefeated season, Utah still has
more losses that BYU in the last 5 years.How about all those Utah
losses to UNLV, Wyoming, AFA, NM and CSU, teams Bronco hasn't lost to since he
became head coach?Cheers!
utahcountyute, of course the FSU game really hurt, what is your point?I bet the BYU game really hurt you as well. CheersLet me make this
clear to any and all Utah fans that can read. Everything you say to cut down our
athletic program means absolutely nothing merely because of the fact that we
have scoreboard smack. That is the end all, be all of smack. Once you beat us,
ScottNo, a win is a win and a loss is a loss in my book. How about FSU and TCU at home for the coogs last year? I bet that FSU game
really hurt after you beat Oklahoma. cheers
How long has it been since Ronnie Mac retired? How ever long thats been is
EXACTLY how long its been since the utes have had more than a mediocre football
team. Has it even been 10 years yet?...
College Football Cafeteria did a comparison of different preseason rankings (the
AP Poll and USA Today Poll won't be releaed until August), and predict the
actual 2010 college football preseason rankings should look something like
this:1. Alabama2. Ohio State3. Boise State4.
Oregon5. Texas6. Florida7. Virginia Tech8. Iowa9.
TCU10. Nebraska11. Wisconsin12. Georgia Tech13.
Oklahoma14. Miami15. USC16. LSU17. Penn State18.
Oregon State19. Arkansas20. North Carolina21. Pitt22.
Cincinnati23. Georgia24. Houston25. UconnOthers
receiving votes: Utah, West Virginia, South Carolina, Florida State, Cal,
Auburn, Tennessee, Missouri, Texas Tech, Stanford, Arizona, BYU, Michigan, Navy
I know that a few Cougs don't feel this way but I think most Cougar fans know
that a successful Ute team is in BYU's best interest. What good does it do to
beat a 2-3 win Ute team at the end of the regular season? We should always want
the Utes to be successful for the good of the State and this rivalry. I like the
Utes but it feels that much better to beat a good Ute team. Who wants this
rivalry to become another BYU-USU matchup? I don't. I truly think those BYU fans
who want Utah to do poorly are pretty short sighted.As for this
season - Unga's loss will hurt more than many think. Yeah Quezada and a few
returners have potential but Unga would have been leaned on big time by a new QB
and offense breaking in new TEs. We have a solid o-line but I'm worried that a
brand new QB will largely have to rely on his WRs. Washington, AFA, FSU, Nevada,
TCU and Utah all COULD be losses.Best of luck to Pitta and I'd like
to see Beck emerge.
It does make sense..."Hedgehogs have many alternate defense mechanisms. In
most situations a hedgehog will flee rather than confront a threat, rolled up in
a ball or not. All hedgehogs possess the stamina to run, many can make 4.5 miles
per hour or better, and are particularly adept at climbing steep walls, trees,
and fences and even swimming.Hedgehogs are fairly vocal and
communicate through a combination of grunts, snuffles and/or squeals, depending
on species."Logic is not ever mentioned.:-)Have a good day.
LOL, hedgehog, you have 3 posts on the Reed article, all about BYU. Obsessed
QO, now that there are facts provided, hedgehog will move on to something else.
Lesson: don't waste your time looking things up for him that make sense, he's
not worth it. Best approach is to just laugh at his bball program with him.
I'm confused about the logic that beating a ranked opponent is a big deal, but
being ranked, especially at the end of the season, is not a big deal.Could one of the "experts" please explain that?
Hedgehog"Trust me Buster, I have know interest in taking zoobie
logic classes."I graduated from Cal State Santa Barbara, and logic
is required for any University diploma. I'm sure it is required at the U also.
I was just suggesting the idea, because logic really does help
you understand logical arguments.Feel free to continue with your
illogical arguments, and then wonder why you make people laugh...
Google it hedgy:May 12, 2010By Ray RattoCBSSports dot
com ColumnistHere's the exact quote:"But here's the
kicker, the one thing that we haven't had yet -- Notre Dame, BYU and Texas, the
biggest prizes on the cash continuum, just tarting themselves up, rouge,
fishnets, stilettos, the whole nine yards, and going from conference to
conference saying, 'We know what we all are here, so just make us an offer.'"
hedgehog, chris bGet a life!!
Big Ben, can you answer the question?
Utes Fan, so the reason UNLV made Utah look like a bunch of Jerry's kids is
because Utah had to rebuild players and coaches from the BCS wins? I'm not
It's interesting how Utah fan pretend that being ranked is no big deal, but we
all know that as soon the preseason rankings are posted with Utah ranked and BYU
not ranked, hedgehog, utahcountyute, Naval Vet, Chris B, and all the other Utah
trolls, who spam every BYU article, will be tripping over themselves trying to
get to their computers to spout off about Utah being ranked and BYU not being
ranked in a PRESEASON poll.Prove me wrong hedgehog!I can already see the HA HA HA's ooozing from their pudgy little fingers.
"CBSsports: "...Notre Dame, BYU, Texas, the biggest prizes"Total made up. Nice try Quincey.
"My suggestion. Take a logic class, or at least, get a GED."Trust me
Buster, I have know interest in taking zoobie logic classes. I would only lead
to confusion and delusion. i've heard it's a required course at the bubble.
CBSsports: "...Notre Dame, BYU, Texas, the biggest prizes"College Footballogy:The New Pac-10The Pac-10 needs two
teams to achieve the 12-team format that brings about the ability for the
championship game, and as everyone has expected, they will bring in Utah and
Colorado.The New Big 12The Big 12 will need a
replacement for Colorado, and BYU will do the trick. Simple enough. Lose one
market, bring in another.TCU does not give anything Texas doesn't
already give the Big 12, so why not add a market with a passionate fan base that
actually draws more than 50,000 fans per game, not to mention will bring the
interest of Mormons from around the country to focus on Big 12 football.Plus, the BYU-Baylor games should be interesting.
re:Hedgehog 12:20 PM"I don’t understand this logic."That is the problem right there, my friend. You and your Ute buddies
posting.My suggestion. Take a logic class, or at least, get a GED.
Fiddler: there is hardly a monopoly. dont get too self righteous.
re: Utes FanNice spin about having to rebuild after a great season;
now please explain how BYU did THIS:1979 11-1 #13/#12 WAC
champions1980 12-1 #12/#12 WAC champions1981 11-2 #13/#11 WAC
champions1982 8-4 unranked, WAC champions1983 11-1 #7/#7 WAC
champions1984 13-0 #1/#1 WAC champions1985 11-3 #16/#17 WAC
championsBYU also lost great coaches and replaced great quarterbacks
during those years.Even after their National Championship year, BYU
still went 11-3, losing only three games by a TOTAL of 13 points. BYU lost to
#14/#11 Ohio State (9-3, 1st tie) 7-10 in the Citrus Bowl.
According to Utah logic ever win that BYU has is a bad win. Like beating
Oklahoma last year or Oregon St. Both teams finished 8 and 5 and while not
dominate, where not door mates. Both teams where better than the Pittsburgh
team of 04, and the Michigan win of 08 that U fans pound their chest about.
hedgehog;why would I TRUST one who is so consistently wrong and always so
Utah fans, answer this, why post on our articles so often?
Haha! All the brainless smack talk on both sides makes me laugh. I am a Cougar
fan but I must admit that I have some pretty silly fellow Cougar fans. But I
think they are slightly out done by some Utah fans. I think most of the fan base
on both sides is actually quite rational. There are just the loud ones/the ones
with nothing better to do then comment here that are not very rational.
Re: hedgieYes, actually it has been a real badge of honor being
ranked consistently for the last 30+ years. Of course, you and other Ute fans
wouldn't know what that felt like.
Bottom line, hedgehog, is you have to consistently WIN. It doesn't
matter whether they're big games or small games, bottom line, to be ranked
consistently, you have to WIN consistently.If you do that AND win
the big games, you're not talking just Top 25, you're talking Top 10 and/or
National Championship.And yes, as much as you foolishly make light
of it, finishing in the Top 25 IS a real badge of honor, something you obviously
can't appreciate, since Utah so seldom accomplishes it.Utah fans
like to beat their chests about their long string of bowl wins.Tell
me, how many of those Utah bowl-winning teams finished in the Top 25?If they didn't finish in the Top 25, check the rest of their schedule and
you'll find several losses to mediocre teams along the way.If you
want respect you have to earn it.If you want to know if you've
earned respect for a particular season, check the final Top 25.#1 =
National Champion (the MOST respected team)Top 10 = Great TeamTop 25
= Very Good TeamLess than Top 25 = Less than Very Good
Kat,“completly blows a hole in their theory that Utah is much
more respected nationally than is BYU”I’ve really never
heard the theory that Utah is more respected the BYU. The real
“theory” is that BYU offers “things” most rational
civilization disagree with. Trust me, BYU isn’t getting shunned by the
Pac10 simply because it isn’t a research school.
re: Chris BBcS: Gotta laugh at it baby!Utah will be
lucky to equal their 10-3 record from last season.The only whiners
I've seen are the Utah trolls trying to convince themselves that two Top 25
finishes in the last four years is somehow better than four Top 25 finishes in
the same time span.3 of 4 baby!
"When Utah starts consistently beating the average teams on their schedule, plus
winning those big games, then Utah will be ranked consistently, like BYU has
been for the past 33 years"I don’t understand this logic? BYU
usually wins against average teams but rarely wins the “big” games?
So what you’re saying is that you don’t need to win the big games to
be nationally ranked? Sounds like a real badge of honor.
the hawkWhat a laugh; another Utah troll posing as an "unbiased
objective observer"!For truth in advertising, you should have added
"red-tailed" to your moniker; or just used "the swoop", although, since Utah now
uses "UnderArm or" as their official uni's, that might be a problem.You talked about BYU's close wins to mediocre teams, now talk about Utah's
LOSSES to mediocre teams.
@royalblue "Kyle has lost 12 MWC games, including at least one to EVERY team in
the MWC; two losses last year, almost as many as BYU has had in the last four
years."One thing that often gets lost in these discussions is the
effects of Utah's BCS bowl seasons. Each time Utah lost BOTH the offensive
coordinator and defensive coordinator. It takes a year or two to get the team
together effectively after losing both coordinators. After the Sugar Bowl
victory, Utah lost THREE defensive players that were not seniors to the NFL. BYU
lost Collie. Take that into consideration when thinking about Utah's 2009
season, and the last-second overtime victory BYU had.BYU has not had
the "luxury" of having to rebuild after the losing of personnel (both players
and coaches) due to the BCS bowl seasons. Most national powerhouses have to deal
with this also. BYU has not. Thus, they can be more consistent year to year, but
haven't had the big BCS bowl wins. Colin Cowherd on ESPN radio made this point
one time. This IS the reason why BYU has more overall conference wins, and I
Stop the Yning tds. This year you're be dwelling around .500, while you watch
us FOR THE THIRD TIME march to a bcs game. The only game that would scare me is
the TCU game, but with it at RES, we'll pull out a close one, just like the last
game at RES against them.BCS 3!!!! Gotta love it baby
Just read a blog by University of Texas fans who are talking about BYU coming to
the B12. Naval viewer and hedgehog may want to stay away from the comments
though - completly blows a hole in their theory that Utah is much more respected
nationally than is BYU. My favorite comment from that blog?1. Utah -
pretty far away, only competitive in suspect years, getting some mixed results
across the board and shaky academics (at best).
Big_Ben,BYU doesn't have to "inflate" their success; the Cougars
have been nationally recognized for their success.All of the Top 25
finishes and national individual awards that BYU has received are proof that
it's not just BYU fans who have recognized BYU's success.Utah does
have some big wins, but what about all the Utah losses that Utah fans pretend
never happened?Utah can't even beat the average teams on their
schedule consistently.Bronco has lost 6 MWC games TOTAL, in five
years. Five of those six losses were to TCU or Utah; only THREE MWC losses in
the last FOUR years.When was the last time Utah only had 3
conference losses in four years?Hint: It's been over two-thirds of a
CENTURY since that happened!Kyle has lost 12 MWC games, including at
least one to EVERY team in the MWC; two losses last year, almost as many as BYU
has had in the last four years.When Utah starts consistently beating
the average teams on their schedule, plus winning those big games, then Utah
will be ranked consistently, like BYU has been for the past 33 years.
RE Scott, Hey there I came back to the board because I needed a laugh and saw
your post. I don't think one big win counterbalances three miracle losses but I
do think you need to play fair here. "When Utah barely squeaks out a win,
such as in 2008, when the Utes were lucky to get past Oregon State and TCU, then
a win is a win for them." The same can be applied to you cougar fans as
well, such as narrowly avoiding being winless Washington's lone season victory,
or being New Mexico's 2nd victory last season. The pendelum swings both ways my
friend. "And, of course, the Utes file away all of their big losses like they
never happened." I will acknowledge them. We had 5 bad losses since the 2004
season. How many have you guys had? Off the top of my head I can think of 2 to
TCU, 1 to Utah, 1 to FSU, and one to Arizona. Again, both ways... You cite
overtime wins and miracle victory wins against the Y. Hasn't that been your
bread and butter for those "3 of the last 4" wins against the U?
Buster, you owe me a new computer. I just spit water all over mine laughing at
your comment. Talk about insecure!
I haven't seen any BYU fans "putting down" Utah's two BCS seasons; Utah fans can
be justifiably proud of what Utah accomplished 2004 and 2008, and many BYU fans
have praised Utah for those seasons.What BYU fans have a problem
with is Utah fans thinking that two great seasons has suddenly transformed Utah
into a great football program.Two great seasons in 6 years does not
a great football program make.If the Utes keep this up for another
decade, then, yes, you could mark 2003 as the start of establishing a great
football program at Utah.For now, Utah football fits the classic
definition of a flash in the pan, a one hit wonder, or 15 minutes of fame.Brief, but unsustained success.
royal blue,what is your point? that byu consistently beats average
teams and inflates themselves but never really breaks through? thats what I got
from your powerpoint there.
It is interesting that this discussion is happening on a BYU article about Pita,
whil the Reed article about latching onto the Ravens has only 11 comments
(including mine).I think that speaks volumes of where you need to go
to discuss a "real" football program.Feel free to hang with the
"cewg" fans anytime, the Ute fans are few and far between (like their wins).Scoreboard...
PureOpin"Now lets have a conversation based on fact.Recruiting
for 2010 Fact #1: BYU recruiting Class: #22Fact #2: Utah's
recruiting class: #50Ouch...What does that tell you about the future of
these programs?"Fact? You sound a little green pureopium.I suggest you dig a bit deeper on your (i.e BYU’s)
“recruiting” service. BYU has a “special” relationship
with that outfit, somehow guaranteeing maximum kewg exposure…. As far as
the Utes, well, that don’t get mixed up in those kinda
“arrangments”. Because Utah doesn’t “support”
said recruiting service they don’t get an unbiased evaluation —
several of there JC players aren’t even mentioned.Now if you
look at the National recruiting service that doesn’t look for “skin
in the game”, well you’ll see that Utah ranked far ahead of the
Kewgs.A little assignment for ya: What three INSTATE prospects did
BYU lose out to the Utes to in the 2011 class? How many head to heads has Utah
lost.Yes, let’s talk about the future.
Again and again. Over and over. It is soooooo funny. Cougar fans
putting down Utah's two BCS bowl wins. Of course, when the season
starts up, Cougar fans will hope their team makes it to a BCS bowl. Of course,
they will tell Utah fans that a BCS bowl is nothing, let alone TWO of them.
Then, silently, secretly, Cougar fans will hope for a BCS bowl. Cougar fans will
cheer their team for an undefeated season so they can go to a BCS bowl. Then
tell Utah fans a BCS bowl is nothing.The logic is so funny. It is
the best entertainment around. And it happens on these comment
boards. Again and again and again. Over and over. And I laugh at it again and
again over and over. Once again: Cougar fans putting down Utah's two BCS bowl
wins, while hoping their team does just that. Funny!
Quince Orchard, you make me laugh. It sounds to me like you are trying to
convince yourself. Just relax man, life is good! Dont be so stressed!
no garbage,Just the Facts hedgehog and utahcountyuteTop
25 Finishes in the history of BYU and Utah football1964 Utah
unranked/#141977 BYU #20/#161979 BYU #13/#121980 BYU
#12/#121981 BYU #13/#111983 BYU #7/#71984 BYU #1/#1 National
Champions1985 BYU #16/#171989 BYU #22/#181990 BYU #22/#171991 BYU #23/#231994 BYU #18/#10, Utah #10/#81996 BYU #5/#5 Cotton
Bowl win2001 BYU #25/#242003 Utah #21/#212004 Utah #4/#5
Fiesta Bowl win2006 BYU #16/#152007 BYU #14/#152008 BYU
#25/#21, Utah #2/#4 Sugar Bowl win2009 BYU #12/#12, Utah #18/#18
utahcountyute's definition of "spewing garbage" seems to be the presentation of
any FACT that disagrees with his distorted view of reality.His
belief that one big win somehow counterbalances three losses is silly.This argument only seems to work for the Utes when Utah is on the upside of a
big win.When Utah barely squeaks out a win, such as in 2008, when
the Utes were lucky to get past Oregon State and TCU, then a win is a win for
them.And, of course, the Utes file away all of their big losses like
they never happened.at UCLABoise Stateat Oregon Stateat UNLVat TCUThe Utes are great at remembering the big wins,
but they develop mass amnesia when in comes to any kind of loss or close win.Didn't Utah just barely beat BYU in OVERTIME in 2005 (41-34)?andDidn't a Top 25 Utah team just barely beat the worst BYU team
in 50 years by only THREE points in 2003 (3-0)?
hedgehog, SW Baptist
SportsfanLike I said, policing the garbage that spews forth from byu
fans. Has BYU owned the Utes recently in football? That was the
question. As I clearly laid out above, NO.Do you keep those stats on
a word doc and save them for each time you come on here? They don't mean much
when it does not apply to the question asked.We will keep coming
back with this question to you all as well: How many Undefeated seasons have the
coogs had recently??? What kind of lame stats can you come up with to back that
up? Keep digging.
re:Utah County Ute:Spewing, or talking about BYU football and Dennis
Pita on an article about BYU football and Dennis Pita?Look at the
same article on Reed with the Ravens, and tell me who is "spewing". Any Cewgs
over there spewing inane "facts"? Anyone posting at all? Anyone care?Hedgehog:We know, two games in 50 years.(slow clap)Happy? We know.Other than that, your program is not
impressive, has been embarassing at times, your fans and studentbody (see
Chronicle) are on occasion classless, and your basketball proram is in the
tank.I apologize that you when you begin posting straw arguments and
selective "facts" (I think that is what you call your selective forulation of an
argument), that you look silly and immature to everyone else. I guess that it
just the way it is.No one would be happer than BYU fans if Utah had
a solid program. Notice all the compliments your team got from BYU fans for your
succes in the SugarBowl.Just have a clear, insightful thought
sometimes and throw that in, and it will all be good.
Utah does deserve credit for both of their BCS bowl wins. Especially in '08.
Both years they went undefeated and topped it off with bowl win. They showed
that they could back it up on the field (two years in the last 30) So go ahead,
marinate in the glory... Now instead of endless debates about past
seasons, lets talk about the coming season and the future of these programs
shall we? It seems like whenever the topic comes up the (Runnin)Utes run and
hide. Now lets have a conversation based on fact.Recruiting
for 2010 Fact #1: BYU recruiting Class: #22Fact #2: Utah's
recruiting class: #50Ouch...What does that tell you about the future of
these programs? Chris B, did you stutter? Hedgehog? Naval Vet?
And hear comes the Powerpoints LOL!!Bottom Line is this. Utah
accomplished everything within there control. They left no room for excuses. The
results speaks for themselves with no need for manipulative statistics to
disguise unsightly blemishes ( Fl.St, TCU..ouch). It’s the 800
pound gorilla that Kewg fan just can’t come to terms with.Third times the charm ;)
The more you try to distort the facts, the sillier you look hedgehog.The true measure of a NATIONALLY recognized football program is consistently
finishing in the Top 25.Sure, the Utes did that in 2004 and 2008,
but what about all of the other years in Utah football history?In
the music industry, history is littered with bands that had ONE HIT, they're
called ONE HIT WONDERS. They had ONE HIT that made them famous, but
nobody tries to argue that they were a great band because they had ONE HIT.Utah is like that in football, except that the Utes are TWO HIT
wonders.With little else.BYU: SEVENTEEN Top 25 finishes
in the last 33 years, including FOUR in a row.Utah: SIX Top 25
finishes in the last 46 years, including TWO in a row.Even in Utah's
BCS-busting era, Utah still hasn't been able to finish in the Top 25 as often as
BYU.No PowerPoint presentation, hedgehog, just facts.
Utah has descended to lower valleys in the past 5 years and that fact is what's
killing you hedgehog. You desperately want to feel that your team is one of the
big boys, but the Utes have lost TWICE as many MWC games as BYU and the Utes
have also suffered some very ugly OOC losses.No feable attempt to
minimize the facts will change these Utah losses:at TCU 20-23at North Carolina 17-31at CSU 17-21SDSU 19-28NM 27-31at UCLA 10-31Boise State 3-36at Wyoming 15-31at NM 31-34AFA 12-20BYU 31-33at Oregon State 7-24at UNLV 0-27at
BYU 10-17at Oregon 24-31at TCU 28-57at BYU 23-26You've got to win the games you're supposed to win... it's just that simple.
UNLV 0-27 OUCH!2005 BYU(2nd), Utah(4th)2006
BYU(1st) #16/#15, Utah unranked2007 BYU(1st) #14/#14, Utah unranked2008 BYU(3rd) #25/#21, Utah #2/#42009 BYU(2nd) #12/#12, Utah(3rd)
The fact that Utah has descended to lower valleys in the past 5 years is what's killing you hedgehog. How desperately you want to feel that your
team is one of the big boys, but the Utes have lost TWICE as many
MWC games as BYU, have finished behind the Cougars in the MWC standings, in the polls, in double-digit win seasons, and in
head-to-head.No feable attempt to minimize the facts will change
that:@TCU 23-23@North Carolina 17-31@CSU 17-21SDSU
19-28NM 27-31@UCLA 10-31Boise State 3-36@Wyoming
15-31@NM 31-34AFA 12-20BYU 31-33@Oregon State 7-24@UNLV 0-27@BYU 10-17@Oregon 24-31@TCU 28-57@BYU
23-26You've got to win the games you're supposed to win... it's just
that simple. UNLV 0-27 OUCH!2005 BYU(2nd), Utah(4th)2006 BYU(1st) #16/#15, Utah unranked2007 BYU(1st) #14/#14, Utah
unranked2008 BYU(3rd) #25/#21, Utah #2/#42009 BYU(2nd) #12/#12,
BusterIf there was not so much spewing forth of byu fan garbage that
needed to be policed, I would agree.Michigan CoogYou say
"byu owns U". In my mind that would be 3 or more years in a row of you beating
us right? Atleast, that is what I would call "owning". byu has not owned the
Utes. Infact, in football, I believe the Utes have owned the coogs more recently
then the coogs have owned the Utes. 93-95 and 2002-2005. btw.. the
last 6 byu wins over Utah were decided by18 points total. Just happens to
be less than the 24 point thumping you got from us in 08. I would not call that
hedgehog, we get it, you guys won 2 BCS games. That is all well and good. Win a
national championship or get your bball players to control their druling problem
while playing then come talk. FACT.Still don't get it? probably not.
Buster,Utah has reach an WON two BCS bowl games in the past 6 years.
If I'm not mistaken a BCS bowl is a little "higher" up the food chain than the
Macco Vegas bowl played in early December. FACT.Still don't get it?
RE: hedgehog | 8:50 a.m. May 14, 2010You got to win the games
you’re not supposed to win… it’s just that simple. UNLV
Hedgehog. You keep using the word fact. I do not believe it means what you think
The fact that the Utah has climbed higher mountains in the past 6 years is
what’s killing you kewgs. How desperately you want to call 2004 a
“fluke” but painfully reconfirmed AGAIN in 2008. No PowerPoint
statistical manipulation can hide the fact that the Utes are more relevant (i.e
this decade) than the kewgs. You got to win the games you’re not supposed
to win… it’s just that simple. Florida St. ouch!Go big
or step to the side.
1983 Miami Hurricanes National Champions1984 BYU number 1 National
Champs1985 Miami in top 101986 Miami finished number 21987
Miami finished number 1 National Champions1988 Miami finished number 21989 Miami Hurricanes finished number 1 National ChampsIn 1990 the Miami
Hurricanes where the team period, and ranked number 1 based on winning the
national championship the year before.at the end of the 1990 season Miami
was still ranked number 3 in the nation in both Polls. Miami had created a
dynasty in college football in the 80s Please know your history before you make
a complete fool of yourself!
re:The Hawk"their accomplishment carries a little more weight in my
mind."See, thank you.Hawk you nailed it on the head. It does not matter what anyone else thinks, all that is imortant is
where you or I are at in our own minds. I'm not changing yours, your not
changing mine, so there.So, maybe we can stop this silly "march to
post ignorance" on the other teams page, and talk about our teams, and show some
class on both sides of the rivalry.Personally, I would like to see a
little more class come from both sides.
Unbelievable, provide them with facts and they still spout off about a Ute
program that has only 2 season of National notoriety...Yes Ute fans, BYU has not
been to a BCS bowl yet, big flippety deal. To talk the talk, and walk the walk,
or shall we coog fans say, eat at the table of Football or any/all college
sports in general...Beat us on the fields and courts, then you have a
"smack-talk" leg to stand. BYU owns U, 3 out of 4, and 7 out of 8. Lets talk something different to illustrate my point. How many of you would
run around and beat your chest about how the Utah Jazz have beaten the LA Lakers
2 out of 7 tries this season? You'd be laughed out of any discussion quicker
than you can say MUSS...Scoreboards don't lie, and to attempt to smack talk w/ a
2-10 record in Football and Basketball over they past 4 years is just plain
stupid. Go dust off your Sugar Bowl dvd's hug them tight, remember Linus in
those Peanut comic strips? Remember his little blanky? Yes Utes, go clutch it
RE BluCoug, "As for rankings, a ranking is a ranking no matter how
you try to slice and dice it. It is in the records books and it is recorded
history. BYU indeed beat a number 1 ranked team for that week.Carry
on... " As an unbiased objective viewer to all this humor these
comment boards offer, your statment is correct. That being said while they were
ranked #1 at the time that was a preseason ranking as pointed out by Navalvet.
That's certainly not where they finished up the season. So the Y did beat a
number one team but it ended up being irrelevant. Now to be fair, Utah didn't
beat the team ranked #1 at the time but they did beat a team that was ranked for
about six weeks at the tail end of the regular season. So literialy (sp) Utah
didn't beat a #1 team but being realistic their accomplishment carries a little
more weight in my mind.
Sorry hedgehog, backing into a championship entails being behind the #1 team
going into the bowls and having another team knock them off for you.Since BYU was #1 in all of the polls entering the bowls, the Cougars earned
the National Championship by beating their bowl opponent.Since
Washington and Nebraska, who were both at-large teams, were more interested in
$$$ than playing the #1 team for the National Championship, BYU was forced to
play Michigan.Learn a little history before spouting off.
OK, this is gonna be another one of the "same old whine years" from the Utah
fans again.It's simple. Count how well you have played against BYU
recently. One win in four tries.Count your Doak Walkers Trophies,
Heismans, Outlands, Davey O'Briens, National Championships and you get zero.How many Super Bowl MVP's?End of season Number One
Rankings?Utah State even has an Outland Trophy winner.You have zip. Zero. Nada.Those are all either individual or
team awards for being the best in the country. The BEST. Proven on the field,
not a comment board.Let's measure how well your basketball program
is doing.See, Weber State fans are not stupid enough to come on
here, an article about Pita, and start smack talking.So get on here,
tell us how you were "invited" into the BCS and the CBI (both will be obsolete
and meaningless in 5 years), and how that somehow makes your program better when
you can't do it on the field or the court.So bark, little doggies,
bark. You're safe on the porch until next fall.Record Books.Scoreboard.I know...Next year...........
Just to clarify Navel Vet...Washington and Oklahoma had "every"
opportunity to play BYU for the national championship, but they choose money
over glory. In other words they were greedy and to chicken to play BYU. In case
you forgot national champions were crown by just mere votes.I
wouldn't talk too much smack about about Michigan, after all the who of who
barely beat a horrible Michigan School that propelled the who of who into BcS
run. Hummm and Michigan finished 3-9. Now that's something who can be proud
of.As for rankings, a ranking is a ranking no matter how you try to
slice and dice it. It is in the records books and it is recorded history. BYU
indeed beat a number 1 ranked team for that week.Carry on...
Re: TrueBlueJust to clarify...The “why?”
never “won” a National Championship. They did manage to back into
one though, by default, by narrowly escaping a substandard 6-5 Michigan team in
a game that wasn’t a “National Championship” game. Since it
wasn’t a National Championship game, your title was awarded by mere votes;
not by their play on the field.The Heisman trophy is an individual
award. Since there is no “i” in team, there is no way that trumps a
win in a BCS bowl game.The tdS never beat a #1-ranked team. They
did manage to upset a team in their season opener who held a preaseason #1
ranking, but since they did not win the National Championship that year, they
were never REALLY the #1 team.But you were right about the part
where ybU never won a BCS game. In fact, they’ve never even been INVITED
to play in one.
@ hedgehogThe only thing overrated (more like overreacted) is your
comment posts on a BYU article.
@ Chris B.Yep, I say beating the utes 2 out of 3 equals being an
"ok" all american player on just an average team.Funny thing the
utes could only beat him when his knee was jacked up.
"I said that Utah had just as good of a chance at winning a March Madness
game..."What a silly thing to say. Are all Utah fans this detached
Big BenAre you that insecure that you have to question another
poster's ability to count?I noticed that there's an article about
Michael David Reed, a Utah player who's also trying to make the Raven's roster
that you either didn't read and/or didn't find interesting enough to post
about.You proved my point exactly about how insecure Utah fans are
that they're more concerned with their rival, BYU, than they are with their own
hey Justin, good for you. Thank you for the powerpoint presentation. Did you
go show your mom? Is she going to put it on the fridge? Maybe you can show all
the other kids what you did in the next sharing time!
Things BYU hasn't done in football.Winning a BCS gameThings Utah hasn't done in football.Winning a National
ChampionshipWinning a Heisman TrophyBeating a #1-ranked teamRanking those accomplishments1. National Championship2. Heisman Trophy3. BCS Win4. Beating a #1-ranked team
Big Ben,You are mistaken. I said that Utah had just as good of a
chance at winning a March Madness game as the cewgs did, and I was almost right.
Some choked misses by Florida would have proved me right again.I do
think Boylen will get our guys to the top 25 in the next year or two. We've had
some selfish players lately which has destroyed team chemistry, but Boylen is
still a fantastic coach and decent recruiter.Although, it's football
season now, so let's get ready for some Utah domination! TDS had put together
some consistent years lately overall, but with maxie and harvey(likely)gone,
it's all going to come crashing down. Look for TDS to be at .500 at the end of
the year!Go UTES
Chris B was on every utah basketball article this past year posting about how
they were a legit top 25 team and how the sweet 16 was guaranteed. You are
either:a) a BYU fanb) really really embarassing to ute fans
like meto Quince Orchard:There aren't many ute fans, go
back and count them. If you can reach that high. As far as Dennis
Pitta goes, I think he will be a solid player. I think its funny how so many
labeled him "unathletic" because he is white. He is VERY athletic and will be a
great replacement to Todd Heap. his effort is always there, and he has the
ability to back it up. BYU will miss him this year, but you guys always seem to
have a stud at TE waiting in the wings.
I love how every time a player or team has a story about it - the comments turn
into a Utah vs. BYU bash party.
Chris B keep touting your BCS tripsAP/Coaches Final Top 20 and Top
251964 Utah UR/141977 BYU 20/161979 BYU 13/121980
BYU 12/121981 BYU 13/111983 BYU 7/71984 BYU 1/1 National
Champions1985 BYU 16/171989 BYU 22/181990 BYU 22/171991
BYU 23/231994 BYU 18/10, Utah 10/81996 BYU 5/52001 BYU
25/242003 Utah 21/212004 Utah 4/52006 BYU 16/152007 BYU
14/152008 BYU 25/21, Utah 2/42009 BYU 12/12, Utah 18/18I
will take a national championship and a top five raking in 1996, and a Cotton
Bowl win over a ranked Kansas St team over your two BCS trips. When
it is all said and done Utah has ended the final rankings only 6 times in the
history of their program.
Chris B,How many National Championships do U have? Guaranteed, BYU will have several BCS wins if the BCS is still around for the
next 20 years!Will Utah ever even sniff a National Championship?How many Top 25 finishes do U have? How many Heisman
Trophies? How national individual awards? How many
conference championships in the last 50 years? How double-digit win
seasons?Utah has a couple of perfect storm seasons when they won BCS
games. Other than that, what else has Utah done?BYU has
almost as many Top 25 finishes in the last four years as Utah has in its entire
"Naval Vet"?You were a veterinarian in the Navy? Wow. Cool.
Chris B, how many national championships do you have? How many will you have 20
years from now? The sameBy the way, how many stunt doubles from the
show "Life Goes On" does your basketball program have? Answer, its about 7 or 8
now because 4 or 5 of them left. Did you ever think you'd see the day when the
University of Utah's bball program would have mentally and physically challenged
players leave the program by not being satisfied? LOL!!!
hedgehog, how can you say anything when your bball program looks like a bunch of
stunt doubles from the show "Life Goes On"?
Pure Opinion, How many bcs games do you have? How many will you
have 20 years from now? The sameBy the way, did you studder?
First time poster and I'm puzzled by all of the Utah fans posting here. Are they so insecure with the accomplishments of their own team that
they have post on BYU articles to prop up Utah?Strange.Anyway, about Dennis Pitta:He was one of the best tightends in
college football last year and I'm excited to see how well he'll do with the
Ravens. His pass catching skills are amazing, but he's going to have to improve
his blocking.Good luck Dennis!
The Hog:This is why hedgehog and his opinion should be thouroughly
discounted. On the Ute side of the Des News, there is a story titled "Utah Utes
football: David Reed looking to earn roster spot with NFL's Ravens".Same team where Pitta is trying to earn a spot. The Hog, being one of the six
Utah Fans to post, suggests that he hopes that Pitta can get some pointers from
FIFTH ROUND draft pick David Reed if he wants a shot.So a second
round Pitta needs help from a fifth round Reed, with a 1-3 record against BYU is
the answer to Pitta's success.Come on, it's just so silly and just
plain dumb that it explains the logic of the University of Utah fan base, and is
really pretty sad.So predict away, and then after your yearly loss,
you can come back here nest spring and predict another terrible season for the
tds. As for me, I'll be at the game, because there was never a sound
so sweet as the quiet of RES stadium as Harline cradled the ball in his arms as
the scoreboard reads 00:00.Ummmmmmm. Scoreboard.
How pathetic to wish that a rival would lose games just because they are a
rival. I cheer for the Utes and wish them the best because they have good
coaches and players. The fans are another story, but that's beside the point.Why make foolish remarks and predictions when you don't have the
foggiest idea what will happen? I hope the Utes go unbeaten until that last
game. I hope the Cougs do too, but realistically, it could be a rough year for
the Big Blue.How great is it to have all those Utah products on the
same team! I wish them all well, regardless of their previous affiliation. Pitta
is a great player and fine young man. I hope he does well.
haha the Majority of the time must not include the last 5 years? the Y has won 3
of the last 5 baby. (Which is all that really matters, anything pre
Mendenhall/Winningham does not effect the present standing of these programs)So
I would say the majority is against you? Nice math skills though. So I'm
curious, what exactly are you bashing? I have not heard you back up your 6-7
loss theory for next season yet? And you are dreaming if you think you are BCS
bound. You will be woken up rudely week 1 against Pitt. haha I am guessing you
are just clueless when it comes to College Football because your ridiculous
assessments speak out against you. Sorry man, but nobody is going to take you
seriously until you bring something solid...Cheers
Chris B:haha the Majority of the time must not include the last 5
years? the Y has won 3 of the last 5 baby. (Which is all that really matters,
anything pre Mendenhall/Winningham does not effect the present standing of these
programs)So I would say the majority is against you? Nice math skills though. So
I'm curious, what exactly are you bashing? I have not heard you back up your
6-7 loss theory for next season yet? And you are dreaming if you think you are
BCS bound. You will be woken up rudely week 1 against Pitt. haha I am guessing
you are just clueless when it comes to College Football because your ridiculous
assessments speak out against you. Sorry man, but nobody is going to take you
seriously until you bring something solid...Cheers
OK, I am about to commit major sin.BYU's National Championship year
saw them break in a new quarterback in Robbie Bosco. This does NOT mean that BYU
will even get to a BCS Bowl. It does mean that there is much evidence that new
quarterbacks can really do some serious damage. Wasn't Alex Smith the same
way?Both BYU and Utah have a real chance to do very well this
season. Utah has a tough road, BYU has a monkey on its back in TCU. I could see
each team winning 10-11 games this year...or only 6-8.I hope they do
well and that Dennis Pita gets some serious playing time.
re: IndependentBYU finished #12 in both polls and soundly beat a
then 16th ranked Oregon State team in the Las Vegas bowl.BYU was
obviously alot better than you give them credit for.Utah was also
pretty good, #18 in the final polls, although, not as good as BYU.
I'm a big Cougar fan but I'm also realistic about this upcoming football season.
We have a lot of youth and inexperience and what we need most of all is patience
from our fans. It might take a few years to get rolling.
Big_BenYou couldn't be more wrong. Not only am I a proud U grad -
my best friend is on the team this year, so I've got all the more reason to be
excited.Admittedly, I get a little overhyped about the rivarly, but
only because I know the majority of the time I'll be correct when I bash tds.
It's just fun to see them get upset. GO UTES! BCS 3!
All I know is that BYU got wooped by a mediocre Florida State at home last year,
and Utah lost to BYU. Neither team's fans should be talking.
People who doubt BYU's success next season against Utah based on breaking in a
new quarterback seem to be forgetting that whoever it is will have played a full
season by the time the games rolls around in November. It really will be two
experienced teams going head to head - no excuses from either side.
Striker, you must be new to the boards. the only ones to say anything negative
about Pitta is Chris B and hedgehog. Chirs B=BYU fan posing as a ute. well
established. hedgehog=not one to take serious
Amen Buster. I find it ludicrous that that very person that defeated our rival
has rivals flocking to this BYU article and can only come here and put anything
and everything down about him that they came. THAT'S 100% PATHETIC. Seriously,
it's laughable that people like this exist on this earth and have nothing better
to do. It's like FSU fans going on Florida's blog saying what a pathetic NFL
player Tebow will be, after he beat them in each and every game. Some people
just don't think, that's all there is to it.
One game at a time Utah fans and Pittsburgh is going to be a very tough opening
opponent.I'd hold off making bold predictions about BYU. The Cougars
could turn out to be much better than people are expecting and Utah has lost
three of the last four games against BYU. There's no guarantee that the Cougars
won't make it four out five this year.
Best of luck to Pitta and all athletes with connections to the state of Utah on
the Ravens roster. I don't understand why some still want to make rivalry smack
involving BYU/Utah athletes in the pros. Can't we just hope they all succeed?
It wouldn't hurt anyone.
Any Utah fan who doesn't seriously consider these opponents as legitimate
challenges, and possible losses for Utah, isn't being realistic:Pittsburgh - a preseason Top 25 team@Air Force - nearly beat Utah
at Utah last yearTCU - a preseason Top 10 team and the best team in
the MWC the last two years (despites Utah's upset win in 2008)@Notre
Dame - if the Utes think they're going to walk into the most storied stadium in
college football and expect a cakewalk they're only kidding themselvesBYU - all that talk about BYU having to break in a brand new quarterback will
be meaningless by late November and BYU another heartbreaking loss to the
Cougars is a very real possibility
Geeze Hedgeman, Chris, and Naval dude:Did you really need to come on
an article about Dennis Pitta, that destroyed you guys to talk about "next
season" again.Props out to your SugarBowl victory, but other than
that, there is really nothing to brag about from the hill in the past four years
in any sport other than women's gymnastics.Really, are you so
desperate for a "ego fix" that you need to come on here to get your mind off the
scoreboard?Do it on the field and then talk.
"How is BYU overrated if they are not even ranked?"BYU is not
overrated by rational experts, their overrated by delusion BYU fans, coaches and
players.Being unranked is just about right. Don’t expect to
see your name on the board anytime soon.
oooo Naval Vet is in the discussion now... fun! Still waiting for a rebuttal
from a U fan for what is special about the Utes team this year,and how in the
world you could be predicting a BCS game? You are looking at best a 3-5 loss
season. I would love to be proven wrong. Just present some evidence that the U
is NOT overrated...??? How is BYU overrated if they are not even ranked? Go
check your facts before making predictions based on nothing more than hatred.
@ Naval Vet:Are you really going by standings to see who is better.
Last year BYU was ranked below utah to start the season. And where did they end
up in the end? ya ABOVE the utes. im not saying the same for this year but dont
start predicting utah to be way better than BYU when the season doesnt start for
3-4 months. and the 5 loss year is realistic. but expect more of a 3 or 4 loss
year for utah. just dont base everything on the polls because we all know what
happened to USC last year
So "Jealous U" sees a 7-5 season for Utah. Is that your REAL prediction, or was
that merely a "Jealous" jab of desperation? The traditionally
cougar-friendly Lindy's poll just came out. TCU is a preseason #7, while Utah
is a preseason #25...just 2 spots behind the cougars. Well, the HOUSTON cougars
that is. The tdS wasn't ranked. Funny thing is, even as an unranked team, the
tdS was STILL overrated.So if the Utes are a 5-loss team this year,
and the tdS is overrated at unranked, utwingnut would like the swami "Jealous U"
to divulge who will be the 7 teams the "why?" will be losing to in 2010. I'm
RE: hedgehog | 9:07 a.m. May 13, 2010 "Realistically BYU will
start the season 0-3 and possible 0-4 if they don’t have it figure out
before the Nevada game. Add on beat downs from TCU and Utah and your looking at
5 or 6 loses next year." LOL! Thanks for the comic relief.Rise & Shout!!
Chris B. And Hedgehog:please present some proof that Utah will be better
that BYU this year. Go look at your roster... Ouch. You may have sent 6 players
to the NFL, but if you couldn't win with them, how do you expect to win without
them? Sorry, but Jealous U hit it right on.Pitt-L-Deon Lewis will run all
over you.AFA-L-U defense always has trouble with the optionTCU-L-No
chance of competing with team speedND-L-New Coach,good talent. will be
TOUGH this yearBYU-L-Like I said, you could not beat the Y with your 6
draft picks. What will you do without them? Not to mention talent is far better
across the board at the Y. QB is the only position you may have an advantage at,
but that is only because the Y has not even named a starter yet.Enjoy your
5 losses. I would love to hear a rebuttal from one of you. But I doubt you have
anything convincing. Show me where we will lose 6 games? I see 4 at most.
Both teams are unproven this year and so we will have to wait to see how things
start and finish. How does a benign article turn to such insane comments? Let's
go back and read the article and keep the comments to the contents of it and not
turn to others stupid ideas!
Utah's likely losses next season:Pittsburgh -- ending Utah's BcS
hopes in the opening weekat Air ForceTCUat Notre Dameback-to-back-to-back lossesthen after a breather at SDSU to
lick their woundsBYU7-5 for 2010, but they'll beat
Fresno State in the New Mexico Bowl to keep their chesting beating string alive
hedgehog, beat us then come talk.Also, you catch any of those CSU -
Utah bball games this last year??? LOL!!!
"More utes were drafted and they still lost to the tds? Would they then be
considered underachievers since they lost to an inferior team? Or is this just a
statement of the quality of the coaching staff?"Only an inferior
team would need to resort to this argument. You won’t ever hear the
Alabama’s USC's or Texas having this as a response.Just
Given that the mighty u had 6 players drafted it is even more embarrassing to
look back and wonder how they lost to the Y 26-23. Can you please explain that
to me? Chris and hedg are the same "experts" that predicted doom and gloom last
year, starting with the Oklahoma game, LOL. How did that work out for you :)
Realistically BYU will start the season 0-3 and possible 0-4 if they don’t
have it figure out before the Nevada game. Add on beat downs from TCU and Utah
and your looking at 5 or 6 loses next year.
More utes were drafted and they still lost to the tds? Would they then be
considered underachievers since they lost to an inferior team? Or is this just
a statement of the quality of the coaching staff?
RE: Chris BWho will the 7 teams be that BYU loses too? Dennis was
more than just ok. He is a very good ball player. Please try to be a little more
Dennis was ok. How many other picks did you have in the draft cewgs? That's
it? Can't wait for the 6-7 year for tds this year. Going to be a great year
up north, with only tcu being a potential roadblock to our 3rd big game!
Good luck Dennis, we will miss seeing you compete at the Y but look forward to
your success with the Ravens.