Deron is 100% right. I dont mind him opening his mouth either, somebody has to!
All he is saying is that the team has to add pieces to get better. This team
didnt get win a title this year, what makes you think they will next year? The
Lakers won the the title last year and what did they do? They added Ron Artest
and are now even better. The Spurs add players every year and its no
coincidence they won 2 NBA titles AFTER David Robinson retired. The Jazz have a
habit of staying the same every year, and usually get the same results. 50 plus
wins and a decent run in the playoffs.
JFFRMathews isn't the problem, he is the only guy on the team that doesn't
need help on defense. Derek Fisher played well and hit open 3s all series
long and believe it or not that was Boozers fault. Every time the Lakers through
the ball into Gasol all the wings collapsed to help Boozer, thus leaving Fisher
and others wide open for a 3.
Here's a newsflash Jazz fans:The Jazz aren't going to win a
championship with Wesley Matthews getting 38 minutes in the playoffs. Of course we love him because he is good for an undrafted rookie, but he's not
a top 20 shooting guard in the league. There are PLENTY of better players.I love Matthews, but he wouldn't start on most teams in the NBA.
The Jazz need to realize that DWill will be out of here unless they put there
best effort forward in making this team better. Who could blame him with
O'Connor saying for three years now lets let this team grow together and see
what they can do.The same approach was tried in the Stockton and Malone
era and finally a trade for Hornacek changed everything but it was done so late
in there careers that it only gave them two runs at a championship. Please lets
not play that scenario out again.I can easily see DWill going to the Mavs
if the Jazz make little effort to compete for a championship because they have
an owner who is aggressive at getting better and willing to trade and get free
agents to do so and DWill is from the Dallas area.
Short version, bugoff,Just because Koufos can do it against scrubs
doesn't mean he can do it against startersJust because he can do it
for 4 minutes doesn't mean he can do it for 40Just because it sounds
good in your head, doesn't mean it will work in reality.And reality
is a place you apparently can't get to from Santa Ana
Doug10 | 8:10 a.m.:D-Will is the dog, the Jazz are the tail, and I
hope they are aware of that.Sloan is the coach for the Jazz. What
other coach in the league would have gooten what he did out of his situation in
the playoffs.The Jazz are solid in all positions. One great player,
willing to do the work, like D-Will, and put the pieces around him, and the
title is ours.Isaiah, Bird, Magic, Michael, Dr. J, just needed the
holes filled.But Deron needs to work on him game to elevate the
team. Bring in an athletic 5, Okur at 4, and Boozer at 3...Trade the draft picks for the 5, and if D-Will and CJ can elevate their games
over the summer, the Jazz have a solid shot at the ring.Then we can
riot and burn down the city like the rest of the elite teams.
Bugoff | 10:18 p.m. May 12, 2010As bad a year as Koufos had his WS40 score
is 5.2 which very similar to Glen Davis and Travis Outlaw at 5.3. ------Some lessons in statistics: Sample size. Just
because something occurs in small groups/circumstances doesn't mean it will
similarly occur in larger groups/circumstances. That is true of any example,
and particularly true when conditioning is involved. Just because someone can
do something for a few minutes at a time doesn't mean they can keep it up for
most of a game.Representative sample: Starters play against
starters, Koufos didn't. The samples aren't equivalent, therefor confidence in
their accuracy is suspect.Most commenters on here live in an
imaginary world in their head which doesn't represent reality. Sounds good in
your head, where you make up the rules and conditions of the world but think it
is the same as a real place, like, say, Santa Ana run by someone like, say,
I totally agree. Do whatever it takes to keep D Will happy or he's gone.
Anti unfortunately you are right DWill has trouble with LA. Fish gets up out of
his rocking chair and rises to the occasion. We know DWill and Booz
did the best that they could. Who is better than DWill? Booz is up for a
contract so it is natural to make a case for or against keeping him. DWill is here for a while. Getting on him will not make him any better. As you
said LA is able to negate the Sloan flex because they know it very well and know
how to disrupt it. Sloan has to make some adjustments for teams like
LA that know his system as well as he does. He HAS to make some modifications
just for them if he wants to beat them in the playoffs. This is a
major weakness by Sloan he does not adjust enough, he tends to try harder. That
does not work against LA. You have to figure out their weaknesses and attack
them. Instead of letting them attack you as you do your normal routine. In Sloan's defense he did shut down the inside but that opened up the 3
point line. To may weapons.
Oh brother!!Todd? You are serious? Joe Johnson? Who just layed an
egg against Orlando? Please!!Salmons would be a good
piece but Joe Johnson has never delivered anything to any franchise.Your plans are pathetic and would never win anything. Make moves for
championship pieces or don't jeopardize the future for more mediocrity. Kobe
will not be in Lakerland forever--he is getting worn down.Another
question to others here...why does D-Will get a pass on the Lakers series?After watching that series and despite whatever numbers he got, is
anyone saying D-Will dominated anyone or anything in the Lakers series?NOPE!!!Derek Fisher controlled and manipulated Deron into being
pretty ineffective despite Deron getting to the line frequently. What about
affecting the outcome for a win? Not so much.Deron was controlled
and funnelled exactly where Fisher wanted him to be which rendered him isolated
and controlled to inflict little to no real damage on the Lakers. He did not do
it just one game either. Game after game Fisher took Deron out of his game.If Deron can't dominate Derek Fisher then Booz is not the only problem
on this team.
Re Ed : You sound like the Clippers GM. They have tons of top draft pick and
look where that has gotten them.
Fes had a WS40 score of 5.3 for the reg season this year. Better than Collins at
4.3. Not much worse than Mikki Moore at 6.6, Rasheed Wallace at 6.8, Big Z at
7.2 and Brad Miller at 7.4. Fes can be as good as Miller with some
playing time next fall. A lot of Jazz fans would pay 10-12 mill to get Miller.
It is easy to see the weaknesses of Fes and Kouf but they have a lot
more potential than most fans realize.
As bad a year as Koufos had his WS40 score is 5.2 which very similar to Glen
Davis and Travis Outlaw at 5.3. Juan Howard and Yi Jainlain had 6.3,
Rolando Balkman, Rudy Gay, Tyler Hansbrough, Leon Powe had 6.4 and Rashard Lewis
had 6.5.In his rookie year Koufos had a WS40 of 9.0. Better than a
lot of well known NBA PFs. Same as Brandon Bass at 9.1 and Charlie Villanueva at
8.9. Both of them were high paid FAs this year. Neither, were great. It is easy to get caught up in trading for a name but if they are not
contributing any more than the stiffs already on the Jazz why pay more? WS40
adjusts the win score for 40 minutes of playing time. A lot of
people want to dump Koufos. Well he is better than a lot of names that those
same people would pay 5-6 mill for and get the same production for 40 minutes.
Koufos has a long way to go but he has a lot more potential than
Bass or Villanueva.
Great article Rockmonster. I think you hit the nail on the head. D-will is a
champion who will rest at nothing until he can compete for a championship.
Boozer does not have such a mentality. He is happy if his contract is in order
and if he can ride the bench 20-30 games a year with a supposed injury. It would
be too expensive to resign Boozer for what he offers the team. Cut him loose and
do whatever it takes to make Williams happy and optimistic.
The Trib has some shock jock type writers. But once in a while they contribute
something of value. The Trib is quoting Gail Miller as being serious
about a championship. She really sounded like she was. I have more
faith in Gail and Greg going for a championship than Larry (no insult intended).
Larry was just to "economical" to spend what was necessary to give Sloan ALL of
the tools he needed to win a championship.When they did make a run
they had the PG,PF, the defensive C and a wing who could shoot. I
think you can go one step beyond that and still win with that approach but you
will need DWill, the right PF, a great C and wingS who can shoot.Further, they are going to have to be able to play more than the standard
flex. They are going to have to be long and athletic for D and they are going to
have to run on occasion and play inside out. The game has changed.
The 3 changes it and the fun and gun changes it. You have to beat
different styles of teams. You have to be versatile and great.
The Jazz really need to include DWill in any team decisions. In the past, Larry
Miller would include Karl on any big trades. I really believe this would give
Deron some ownership in the team. If it flops, then he's partially to blame.
If it works, then he's more prone to stick around with the Jazz after his
contract expires. Including DWill in management decisions is vital. He doesn't
need to be the final say, but including him by asking his opinion would go a
long way! He's right- somethings gotta change. Getting rid of
Boozer and getting a true bigman to compliment Milsap and DWill will make a huge
Makes me sad to see that, just like SLT had a headline, "All hope is lost!"Can you imagine the hope player's and fan's would have had after reading
that!Now... the Jazz don't need Carlos Boozer?Deron
Williams is the main priority? How about beating the Lakers for
once!Or since 1998 or whenever the last time they beat the LAKERS.
PG and PF are the most important positions in the Sloan flex. If you are not
changing Sloan then you need to get the right PF. You really can't get anyone
better than DWill for cheaper and it makes no sense to try. Every
other position can be manned by role players. Some of them have to be very good
but they are role players in the Sloan flex. If this were the
triangle DWill would get traded in a heart beat to save salary.
I said it was blasphemy. Everyone on here wants to talk about a blockbuster
trade but nobody is willing to use the most saleable asset. If you are not
willing to trade Williams, you are stuck at 4/5 for the next two years, I
think.Actually, I do not want to trade Williams. I am just another
Sloanaholic that is happy with the team. I like all of our guys....even Boozer.
I thought the year was good entertainment. If we can get a great draft pick, so
much the better. If he hustles, he will get to play....just like Dwill played
29 minutes a game his rookie year. He also got to watch other starters for a
while and he had the opportunity to play some at the 2. Both of those
experiences made him a better player.
The tendency of the guards to come down and help the interior D is a major
problem. That is one (not the only) reason for poor perimeter D.DWill made lots of mistakes. Every PG does. He is the best option the Jazz
have or can get at PG for now. He can be replaced but not easily and
you are not getting anyone better.The biggest problems vs LA are the
front line of the Jazz and the 22 year old well known predictable plays of the
Sloan flex. It needs some updating just for the Lakers.
I Totally agree with this article. The Jazz have not been a True "professional"
basketball team since Stockton, Malone and Hornecek left. We need a good PF and
a good center. The center does not need to be great, just good, as long as the
PF is better than good (Consistently).
Fans are predisposed to criticizing Boozer and giving Williams a pass, but a
large part of what went wrong lies at Dwill's feet. Take a close
look at a replay of that final play of Game 4. Williams juked Artest
who stumbled...So Gasol left Boozer and ran to the free throw line
to help...Leaving Carlos Boozer totally wide open at the rim. Boozer waved his hands like he was hailing a fighter jet, but rather
than drop a pass to Booze for a dunk and a win, Williams HAD to be the hero.Besides, the Lakers bigs were supposed to outplay the Jazz bigs. It was
guard play that lost the series for the Jazz.Fisher, Brown and
Farmar hurt the Jazz, and did their damage pretty much unguarded. Even Kobe played better. Kobe shot 40.8% against the Thunder, and
shot 52.3% against the Jazz.Kobe averaged 23.5 points against he
Thunder, and 32.0 points against the Jazz.Defense wins
championships, an axiom Jazz guards need to internalize. Meanwhile,
Rajon Rondo is excelling on both ends of the court and may well leap Williams
for 1st team all NBA.
"We're still in the battle," said coach Jerry Sloan. "We're moving forward.
We're not trying to move backward."22 more years!It is
going to be a wild 2 years until Dwill goes. Don't deny it, management will not
make moves over the next 2 years to make run for the title.
CBA no DBA.
KOC has lots of good options. He can sign and trade Booz to a team who wants
him. He can get back expiring and non guaranteed contracts. That give the Jazz a
lot of flex. He has AK's expiring contract and AK is a good player
with some value. The Nets may work a deal. But there are lots of 3 way options
up to mid season. Trading AK's bad contract to give Booz a bad
contract is not a smart move. However, the Jazz have done dumber things in the
past. The Jazz are not stuck with Booz. They are not going to get
Bosh etc. But they can get back a very credible PF who will flourish in the
Sloan system for a lot less than Booz and who will play D.The Jazz
positioned to live without Booz last year and then he opted in. Now that has
back fired with the Okur injury. Don't compound the damage by resigning Booz to
an expensive contract before the new DBA. If they do that then maybe
the Jazz are in the market for some swamp land or a bridge to no where?
To get pieces, they need to do sign & trades because they're going to be pushing
the salary cap already. They don't have a ton of cap space like a bunch of
other teams like New York and New Jersey.
I think the problem is with KOC...We have had the same glaring hole for almost
10 years...Ostertag had his moments, he actually would have helped against
LA...We need a shot blocking center and KOC never responds. Our team is too
short.. KOC needs to say good bye. We can do better than him, while we are at
it Sloan should go back to the farm and spend the rest of his years shoveling
manure. Management has been doing this with the fans for years.
No keep SloanKeep the SloanaholicsKeep AK and wasted
contractKeep SnoozerDo not sign Joe Johnson/John Salmons Do not sign vet Center like Dampier or HaywoodDo not utilize 1st
round pick in rotationDo not do all of the aboveYou please Doug and GdogAfraid of Change and wants to settle for
fun and competitive
doug and gdog:why does the Dnews give you so much time? I ask ALL
OF YOU DO NOT BE BRAINWASHED AND DOOM AND GLOOM ABOUT MAKING CHANGESHere is what SHOULD BE DONEOUT SNOOZEROUT AK 16 MILLION
DOLLAR WASTEOUT SLOANOUT "SLOANAHOLICS"SIGN JOE
JOHNSON/JOHN SALMONSSIGN A FREE AGENT OR TRADE FOR VET CENTERUTILIZE YOUR 1ST ROUND DRAFT PICKI just increased our chances to
be "world campeon"
Why would you trade Williams? he said we need a couple of pieces, and I think
so. The Jazz need to develop Fes and KK, and with Booz's departure we need to
look in the draft for Booz's replacement, and on the FA we can find a Center,
some one who can mentor our youg guys and can be a leader on the locker room.
The front office will have a busy summer and I agree with the article, they have
to do what ever they have in order to keep D-Will and the fans Happy.
Ed, That is the worst idea I have ever heard. You want to risk
losing the best point guard in the NBA for John Wall and depend on the draft to
build your team for the future? You know how long of a turn around
that would take to get where we are now? Lebron James the best player in the
NBA still hasn't won a championship. You can't expect one player to turn things
around like that. I believe patience is something the Jazz are very good at
using. Look at Phoenix they didn't make the playoffs last year and
made very few moves.
I agree with ed. Williams won't be happy here anymore getting snubbed by the
All-Star voters and being the 2nd or 3rd best team in the West. Ship him out
and get a quality package for him before he leaves on his own in 2 years.The Jazz might be able to get the whole Bucks or Grizzlies starting
lineup for him. They should have looked at deals like the one Dallas pulled
with Washington. It would have been great to add a Caron Butler, DeShawn
Stevenson and Brendan Haywood to the team at the deadline, even if it meant
losing D-Will. Then you only need a point guard and not an SG, SF, and C.
Love the Jazz!!!Better than every team in the League but one!!Thanks
for the Season..Will look forward to draft and management getting yet
another step closer to the top. Thank you for everything Greg and Kevin,
keep it up.
My hope is that we work out a trade with the new owner of the Nets - AK for
Lopez and their 1st round pick. That would give us 2 lottery picks this year (or
one this year and one next year), a good defensive center, and enough room to
re-sign Booze. I agree with gdod3 - what other centers are out
there would we want and could realistically get - ideas?
Here is my blasphemy: Trade Williams while he has a lot of value for the #1
pick in the draft, along with whatever the Knicks pick provides. Let all the
free agents go. Have a low budget, losing year to get another lottery pick. AK
is off the budget in 2011. We have a payroll of $30 mil; three high first round
picks; and a lot of money for FA.or:Wait two years and lose
Ok, so you hit the nail on the head here. It's true that the Jazz need to keep
D-Will happy and in a Jazz uniform, but you said it yourself "if you keep doing
what you're doing, you'll get what you've been getting"...with that in mind, why
do we keep extending Sloan as the coach??? Sorry, but in his tenure he has
achieved little. Yes, He's a great coach, but maybe, just maybe, when his
contract is up, the Jazz need to stir the pot and get a little new blood in the
coaching seat. All in all, keeping D-Will happy will require a strong presence
in the middle and somebody that can take the pressure off of him once in a
while. Boozer just isn't that guy right now.
gdog3, you forgot Joakim Noah on your list. I'd gladly take him over any of
your bottom 5. He talks a lot, but he works his butt off.
If I was D-Will I wouldn't stay either, if the Jazz don't add anyone new. As a
fan, I'm frustrated that things don't change year after year, I can only imagine
how it would be as a player. D-Will put in another year of hard work, play 82
regular season games and then have key people get hurt the last couple of games,
lose to the Lakers. Didn't that happen last year? On a side note, why in
the heck did Sloan take out Price in the 2nd and then not play him again for the
rest of the game? Ronnie put a good foul on Odom, in the paint, which was better
than Boozer ever did all game. So Sloan takes him out of the game? Ronnie Price
plays harder than anyone on the team except D-Will.
Say Sayanora to Boozer. Get a couple of big guys that can shoot and play
defense. The Jazz have traditionaly not had a great center. They need one.
That is the big weakness that really showed against the Lakers. The lack of a
big man. Memo would not have made a difference.
The team has already blown up. Continuity will not save the Jazz. DAL, PHO, OKC,
POR, SA, HOU, and DEN will be better next year. NO may be. LA is not going to be
worse. If the Jazz keep Booz they will cost more and be no better. A
big new contract before the New CBA is really DUMB.You can draft a
big in this draft such as Udoh (maybe Monroe) and have him playing well by next
year's playoffs. Millsap and AK can cover the PF until he learns the system
(Mathews is a good example). AK/Millsap will produce just as many
points and rebounds as Booz in the system. However, AK's production will have to
be replaced at SF. It is easier to get a SF.You might be able to get
Love or Beasley at 3-4 million. Both are being shopped.The big
problem is C. Will Fes and Koufos progress enough to cover the C position next
fall until Okur can fully return (March?)What if Booz gets injured
Finally a great article... Keeping Williams happy will keep this franchise happy
and the fans happy!! If he leaves I will follow him wherever he goes, He is an
animal on the court and if we don't do our best to get him the players he needs
to win a championship then it is just like Lebron this year, Looking for a team
that can bring in guys to flow with his style of play to win the big one!!
Is Chris Kaman available?
If Nowitzki opts out, do you think the Jazz could convince him he's the missing
piece to a championship with the Jazz, which is what Dirk is after (supposedly
it's not the money)?
Sorry Deron the tail doesn't wag the dog.The Jazz can take down any
team in the league short of the Lakers. Some suggest blow up the team and
rebuild but the Jazz have been doing that for decades and so far it has not been
wonderful. Knowing that no team in the league likes to come to Utah
is great and wonderful.Knowing that the Jazz can thrash Denver,
Dallas, Phoenix in the playoffs and this year it would seem they could have done
in the Spurs as well has to mean something.Everyone wants to put
together the winning team, that happens only in Boston, LA or for the Olympics.
The Jazz seem to be the band of Robin Hoods taking from the rich
like stealing wins from Dallas, Boston, Miami, Denver, piercing the heart of
Cleveland this year. Those are victories that should be celebrated and
enjoyed.Is Dwayne Wade a loser? Only by judging the number of NBA
championship rings he has on his hand would you call him a loser.Play on Jazz, no team has more fan support, and goes as far with such
Where is this big man the Jazz can pick off of a tree Deron. Everybody knows what the Jazz need. Furthermore, most NBA teams are looking
for a legit Center as well.There are maybe seven Centers in the
league that leave their team no urgency to replace them at the 5 spot. Top 10 Centers1) Dwight Howard (brightest star)2) Pau Gasol (elite
talent and PF tweener)3) Tim Duncan (old champion who also plays PF)4) Andrew Bogut (injury prone stud hiding in MIL)5) Brook Lopez
(potential likely to be filled)6) Shaq O'Neal (over the hill)7)
Andrew Bynum (still waiting for the hype)8) Omeka Okafor (has leveled
out/is what he is)9) Marc Gasol (had a much better second NBA season)10)Kendrick Perkins (understands role of enforcer)
Deron if you were the Point Guard in Boston or Los Angeles, you would get a
title for sure. It would not make you a better player though. It would mean that
you would get more pub from the title worshiping media (all because of the play
for a media annointed franchise factor).Championships are special,
but so should how you earn them.Deron, I know you are a great player
but listen up please. Earning a title in Utah would put you on an elite
pedestal.Without checking my memory with the full update (refreshing
of my mind), I think only eight teams have won titles in the last thirty years.
The Lakers have nine, the Celtics check in at four I believe, Spurs have
collected four, the Rockets are at two along with Detroit (maybe they have
three).Deron, the full run down is there to check.
Some so called superstars who can't win rings on their own supposed star
takeover merits, will sell out and join the evil empires of the league.Deron don't piggyback in two years. Many great players don't get
rings unless they join the Lakers or Celtics. Garnett was a better player in
Minnesota than now, but he joined an unlimited funds franchise (Celtics), and
got his ring. Karl Malone tried the piggy back ride, and looked
foolish when he still lost out on his ring (even with Kobe and Shaq).The great LeBron doesn't have a title yet. Kobe got a couple WITH SHAQ and one
with Gasol. Without those Hollywood advantages, the so called greatest player
wouldn't have any titles.
Deron, yes the Jazz management wants to play for a title. It's not that easy
sir. Do you think that if you were the GM and the Point Guard (both) that you
could get it done? The Jazz know what they are doing.Many teams have
had lottery pick after lottery pick, and continued to lose. The Jazz have had
one, they got you. They know what they are doing. Millsap is a stud (second
rounder). Matthews a stud (undrafted), Boozer a stud (second rounder), C.J Miles
(another find). The Jazz are too good to draft high very often.
Smart move getting the NYK pick this year. Smart move trading
Brewer.As free agent players, the Jazz do what they can. It's hard
for all teams unless your the elite NBA version of the BCS.Society
places so much emphasis on championships and titles that it often doesn't matter
how a team gets there. A huge payroll and a big market does provide an
advantage. However, good management is needed. Some teams don't have that. The
JAZZ DO! They just can't carry a $100 million payroll.
I like Booz. I do not care about his talk. The only problem I have with Booz is
that he is not the PF to beat LA. He had years to do it and he is just not the
right player to do that. I agree with DWill's attitude. Build a
championship. DWill will not say it but that means replacing not just adding key
players. The Jazz have to get high first round picks and get the
right players to augment their strength of getting roll players from the 2nd
round.They need to build a team from the ground up. At team that can
beat LA. A big athletic front line good at both D and O. Enough length and
shooting at SF/SG etc. A lot of depth. There are always injuries. It
is time to move forward. Okur will not contribute until next year some time.
Booz will bust the bank or move on. The Jazz will have to re sign or replace
Korver, Mathews and Fes. It is time to rethink and rebuild a much
better team without the weaknesses. Enough continuity. We know what
this team can do. 4th/5th seed.