The Jazz are probably going to do what they did with Millsap. If they can not
get Mathews and Fes for cheap (agents), they will have them get an offer and
match it. If the price is to high then they will let them walk. They
have more value to the Jazz than other teams. They know the system and play
better in that system. Some teams may want to jack up the price just
to shaft the Jazz. The Jazz have to have a C and Fes is it especially if Booz
goes. The Jazz only have the MLE for buying FAs. They have to keep
most of their current players or replace them with old worn out VETs for the
minimum. Wes would not start for another playoff team (better next
year). The Jazz do not rely on the SG like most teams. Fes is a real
wild card. Some teams want him just because he fouls hard. LA/DEN may want him
so he can't foul them. He hurts people. He takes up space. He is a good
insurance player/project for some teams. The Jazz may have to pay him 2-3 mill.
Fesenko ought to be an easy match, although Dan Fegan is going to be selling the
heck out of him. I'd rest easier if he just signed for the qualifying offer from
Utah. But the Jazz need him, and although he'd eventually take on with whoever
signed him, he's a better fit here.
Don't get me wrong - I like the guy - but did you just say the Jazz need
I'd keep all the two guys. They know the system,they're good guys, and the've
plenty of space to improve. Wes is, right now, an NBA player, but you can find a
lot of effective 2/3 in the league. I set the limit on a 4 yest/10 millions
contract.Fes is still a project but big guys are harder to evaluate before
3/4 years in the pros, and he's really big... 2 years 3/4 millions
Fes played himself into and right out of a big contract. When going against
Denver he was okay until they figured out how to play him. After that he was
unable to be effective against Denver and never was a concern for the Lakers who
have a really smart coach.Would another team want him? Perhaps but
only if they were short of players to send to the D league, or they needed
someone to teach their team how to shoot free throws.Matthews is a
keeper and I think that betweens Sloan and KOC they figured that out. Now the
only thing they have to argue about is the price.Speaking of Price
is there a team that needs a back up pg that can't shoot, doesn't like to pass
but can really jump high and excel at ineffectiveness?
Keep Mattews, lose Fes. I like the guy, but we're trying to run a business here.
Wes Matthews is the man... Give him a fat salary and keep him in Utah, He is an
outstanding player and deserves a lot of money after the great season he had...
You gotta love how he stated that he had to go get the food for the team
hahahahaha... He is one guy I would love to meet and talk with for an hour or
HOU would jump on Fes as injury insurance for YAO. There are a lot of teams who
would want him as a back up like Gortat. They would stash him until needed and
help him develop. OKC would love to have him they need someone to
back up Krstic. LA and DEN would love to have him just so he does not foul them
hard. Bynum is injury prone. What is a couple of extra mill to LA? Everyone knows Fes will get better with playing time. Teams who play zone love
him. Teams with simple offenses know they can plug him in at back up. Good teams
can give him garbage time and develop him for a cheap couple of years. Then what
do you have? At worst a cheap back up C. Collins is still playing
for PHO. Fes is better than Collins.
The last game of the season probably doubled Fes' value. Maybe we should have
kept that hidden.
Right on ED. Jazz tried to keep in secret but exposed. Fes will be better player
with right coaching. Matt ? hmmm will see. He reached his potential I guess
won't be any better.
I think KOC and Sloan have already figured it out, Sloan wouldn't play him if
they didn't plan on keep him, he could use KK. He might be the key to complement
a trade in order to bring a big player down here, we can sign him and trade him.
But I really would like to have Fes in the Jazz uniform, he will be better than
Collins and has a lot of room for development, he is young and he will get
better with more playing time.
I love Wes Matthews. His performance speaks for itself, however, I think he
should be getting a three year deal in the range of $9-$10 million in total. I
still would like to see the Jazz bring Fes back but dump Koufos. Please draft
Greg Monroe or Wesley Johnson.
What I'd do:Although I like Boozer, Jazz must let him go, or risk
being $20 mil. over luxury cap.Kirilenko and Millsap can adequately
handle PF position. Re-sign Matthews, Gaines (better backup than Price) and
Fesenko (centers take time to develop--only way Jazz will get a decent center is
draft a "project" and develop him; Fesenko could be as good as Bynum, if he
develops foul shooting and jump shot within 15 feet). Fesenko and Koufos must
"man" the center position until Okur recovers (which will hasten their
development).Sign Travis Outlaw and Anthony Morrow as free
agents--both should be reasonably priced, are long, can shoot 3's and play
defense.1st pick: Long, athletic big man with potential, such
as--Derrick Favors, Hassan Whiteside, Kevin Seraphin (leave him in France for
1-2 years to develop and save salary), Ekpe Udoh, Daniel Orton. 2nd pick: big
guard/small forward, such as Quincy Poindexter/Lance Stephenson.2010/2011 Line-up:Okur Fesenko KoufosKirilenko
Millsap 1stpickrookieMiles OutlawMorrow Matthews
2ndpickrookie(?)Williams Gaines Price2010/2011
Salary $72-75 mil.; 2011/2012--under luxury tax with Kirilenko extension of
Matthews...... PLEASE......Take AK, Miles and Milsap with you when you become a
gym rat. Anyone who works that hard to become better should take his team mates
along with him.I am all on the Matthews band wagon.
Startreatment has some very well thought out comments. They are workable.
Outlaw/Morrow are nice ideas. It is easier and cheaper to move AK to
PF and get help at SF. The big questions are how fast Fes/Koufos
develop offense and how much Fes/Mathews cost?The Jazz can afford
and need to pay some Lux tax if they are serious about winning a champ. However,
they have to spend it very wisely.
I would say out of the Free agents (restricted and unrestricted, so including
Boozer), Matthews should be the highest priority for the Jazz to resign. It would be nice to keep Boozer, but he will be expensive. And Milsap is
good enough to start, if they also have a tall center. Thus, Matthews would be
worth more for the Jazz per dollar paid then Boozer would.Fes could
work for that tall center role, especially if he decides to work out as much as
it sounds like Matthews will in the off season. That could make Fes quite
important to keep, especially if it becomes obvious Boozer is going to leave.I also hope the Jazz are able to keep Korver, but sadly I might put him
as the lowest priority out of the free agents, unless the Jazz can get another 7
foot+ center somehow (Kofous will not be good enough for this role, so they
would need a new one if Fes leaves).
Are you kidding me about Fes?? Be patient with 7' 1" guys? How long did we
wait with overpaid Ostertag?? Honestly, if we are talking money here the Jazz
overpay for the production they are getting. Yes, we love our players, yes they
are loyal and all want to stay here, yes we have decent season every year, but
is that what we want??? Or do we actually want a championship? Probably can't
afford it, but Amare Stoudemire would probably be the answer to a lot of
Fes doesn't look all the good to me. I still highly doubt he turns into a
consistent player, but it may be worth giving him a couple more if he isn't too
expensive. I wouldn't pay him more than 1 million per season, 2 max. Let him
go if it is more than that.
The match on Fesenko is a no-brainer. The match on Matthews is a BIG no-brainer.
Fes and Mathews are obvious. Fes will develop rapidly if he gets 20-35 minutes a
night. Look at Roy Williams and the Lopez twins. A good defensive C
(FA) who can put up 10-12 points and 10 rebounds in 25 minutes is usually worth
about 10 Mill a year. At 2 mill a year Fes is worth it just to warm
the bench as an insurance player. Collins is starting for PHO. He only plays a
few minutes. Fes is better. Bigs who can plug the lane, rebound and slam are
worth more than people realize. People knock Koufos but if you give
him 25 minutes of playing time he will become much better fast. He used to be a
good outside shooter. That has totally disappeared under Sloan. He is not likely
to get blocked out from the basket. He needs inside moves but he can shoot from
the outside if he has time to set. Much like Okur. It is a brave new
adventure. It will be interesting. At least DWill is openly calling for more
How is fez obvious...the only obvious is that they should let him walk....what a
waste of space....anyone that thinks the Jazz will win or even
progress with this guy at center is insane....to bugoff.....don't
ever use Championship and Fesenko in the same paragraph...they're not a fit...
If Fes is so bad why is his plus minus the highest of the Jazz players? Why did
the Jazz consistently play better with him in and worse with him out? What is insane is failing to admit there have been serious problems at C/PF
for years with the Jazz. I can easily see Fes and the word
championship in the same sentence. What if he played for OKC or backed up YAO?
For that matter is he worse than Mbenga? LAs back up. He beat up
Melo, Lawson, Kobe and Gasol. He is worth 2 mill just for muscle. He rebounded
against the big LA front line. Who else does that? Boozer, Millsap and a few
other elite rebounders.When he gets to the point of putting up 10-12
points with 10 rebounds in 25 minutes he will be better than most NBA Cs. He
will do that by Christmas of next year with the playing time. Insane? Wait and see.
A clown hiding behind his initials wants to call someone else insane. What's
insane is failing to see this kid's potential. Fesenko will be a good NBA player
given the time. Utah might as well be the team to benefit.
I can't believe that people can't see that Fes has tons of potential. He is
exactly what you would want to pick up in the draft. He is 7'1", 300 lbs, agile,
& athletic. He may not shoot that well now but his form isn't bad and all he
needs is PT and confidence. Malone didn't shoot 50% from the FT line his first
year. Fes will be at least decent as a shooter, watch and see.I like to
look for young players with potential to root for and watch to see them develop.
CJ is one that has a lot more potential still to develop but at least he is
starting to show some of his abilities. Fes is another player with tons of
potential, he is coordinated, especially for a big man, he runs the floor very
well, his problem on offense is he rushes and hurries things. When he learns to
slow down and take his time and concentrate he will be fine on offense.Re grj : I agree with Chuck, the Jazz need Fes, he could be really good if
given the chance and the right coaching.
Fes will not become D Howard. He may never be as good as Shaq or YAO. The Jazz
do not need him to be. They need him to knock down cutters, rebound,
muscle C/PFs, block shots, take up space and get a garbage baskets.He can do that. In time he will get some inside moves and get more points. Fes gave more hard fouls in the few minutes he played than the rest of
the Jazz team in the whole playoffs. That alone made a big difference. I still see Lawson running away from him. After he hit the floor once he would
circle thru the paint. I remember the look on Melo's face as he rubbed his head.
I remember the look on Kobe's face as he took his fouls shots after
attacking the rim and hiting Fes instead. Ask Gasol, Bynum and Odom
(disappeared) how they like playing against Fes. Ask Nene (disappeared) and
Kmart (disappeared). Don't tell me Fes does not change the game.He is very raw. He does not know how to switch well. He is not going to
score a lot. UT loses to DEN without Fes.
Re Bugoff 7:39 : Very good.
Fesenko is a surprisingly good passer for a big man. And, as Captain L pointed
out, his shooting form is not that bad. If he could develop a decent foul shot
and a decent 10-12 foot jump shot (which appears to be possible based on his
current shooting form), he would be a real load for other teams to contend with
on offense--and we have all seen his potential on defense.Furthermore, if the Jazz could sign him to a 3-4 year contract at between $1.5
and $3 mil. per year, that would be a good deal by NBA standards, even for a
back-up center.Finally, I have noticed tremendous improvement in his
"floor sense" within the past three years. When he first came to the Jazz he
always seemed to be out-of-position to get a rebound, to run the offense, or to
block or alter a shot. Each year he has shown marked improvement in that aspect
of his game. With increased playing time, he finally seems to be getting a
better overall feel for the game--even though he still seems to be out of
position for rebounds on occasion.
I want Fes to stay, but I predict knowing Miller, Sloan.,"his sloanaholics", O
connorfes will be in another Jersey next yearBy the way
the Jazz "are not serious" about winning titles
I think Fes will be here. Sloan actually likes him as long as he keep the team
rules and is on time and somewhat serious. What might cause Fes to
go elsewhere is a really good offer that the Jazz will find painful to match.
Mathews can get up to 5.5 Mill from another team (Hoopsworld). I am
not sure if that rule also applies to Fes but I think that is the ceiling that
another team can offer.Many teams would not offer nearly that much
but he just had a decent series against LA and DEN. He had bad nights and good
nights but he has shown potential. He ranks 97th and Koufos ranks
99th out of 120 listed NBA Cs (that includes a lot of PFs) in WS40 score. They both have a long way to go but they are not the worst Cs in the NBA
and both will get a lot better with playing time.
The Utah Jazz are a lot closer than many apparently think to competing with the
Lakers. They have to concentrate on keeping only those players who can play
decent defense. That means keeping Fes and Matthews and Miles (jury still out)
and letting Boozer and Korver go. That means drafting either Derrick Favors or
Donatas Motiejunas this year, even though Donatas is not yet the defensive force
that he hopefully will prove to be. Since the Jazz will have to be lucky to get
Favors, I think Donatas is their best bet for a superior power forward. In just
two years, he and Milsap, along with Fesenko and KIrilenko/MIles, will form an
awesome front line. If Kirilenko retires by then, the Jazz might be able to woo
Ante Tomic from Europe to help fill his shoes. One other plus...Donatas (from
Lithuania) actually speaks pretty good English already.
Great year and future for Wesley Matthews. However, I believe that he should do
as D-Will did in the off season. Go spend the summer with one of the greatest
2/3 men ever in the NBA and learn, study and learn. May I suggest Hornacek.
There are worse things you could do with your off season.GOM
Wes is a diamond in the ruff...an NBA player that loves to play defense !!! You
rarely get a player willing to lay it all on the line using up most of his
energy on the d-end....I've never seen a player in 40 years get his body into
position so many times to take a charge & he kept doing it to melo & kobe...more
calls should have gone his way (CHARGES), but this is the NBA & david stern
instructs the refs to treat rookies like a piece of meat...The double standard
in this league since M.J.'s days is ridiculous...God for bid a ref EVER calls a
foul on Kobe & allows kobe to go off on him without giving kobe a
technical...Wes is a MUST sign who will be a star for many years..Even if his
offensive skills don't improve greatly, he's a monster on defense...Utah
shouldn't rush into the F.A. market if the right player isn't available..Living
here in N.Y. I saw many Big East games & Greg Monroe can do it ALL..He just
needs to get tuffer & play with an edge.
I can't help but laugh at anyone who says we need Fez. Did I miss something?
Does one of our good players need a kidney from him or something? He is an oaf.
He's a huge liability on offense, and his defense is barely passable. People
like him because he's tall, and 'you can't teach height', but folks, this guy is
not the next Mark Eaton. He is not even the next Greg Ostertag. Carmelo
Anthony kept repeating his name in that interview as a joke. He thought it was
funny that the Jazz were playing this doofus that wouldn't even be able to get
into a pickup game at the park.Everyone (Deron Wiliams) sees that
the Jazz need to make adjustments, but no one (Deron Williams) is willing to
part with any of our players.Williams talks about how the Jazz need
to change, but every player he's asked about he hopes they'll be back next year.
The Jazz aren't quite good enough to win, but they're good enough that everyone
is afraid to give up any of the pieces and make a change.