Reynolds v. Sims; Baker v. Carr; Wesberry v. Sanders in reaching its landmark
decision, the Supreme Court noted that Article I, Section 2 of the United States
Constitution declares that representatives shall be chosen "by the People of the
several States" and shall be "apportioned among the several States...according
to their respective Numbers...." These words, the Court held, mean that "as
nearly as practicable one man's vote in a congressional election is to be worth
as much as another's."
If we follow your logic, only those who get a couple of hours of face time with
the Presidential candidates should get to vote. We could narrow it down to say,
3500 people - let them choose the next president. Why are you so against
letting a military man cast an absentee ballot in a caucus?
To Mt. Cicero - you still don't get it. You value the cheapness of the process
over the correctness of the process. It is cheap, therefore it is better.
Cheap does not make right. Anyway, you are apparently ready to sacrifice
principle for expediency. All I am advocating, really, is to allow for the
casting of absentee votes at the caucus - what would be so hard or expensive
about that? Besides, the two party system is, defacto, a public process. Just
look at Congress - 535 members 530 are either dems or GOP so you can call it
private parties, closed clubs, but they do in fact, in reality, in truth govern
the country. Some people are haughty enough to believe we should narrow the
electorate by making it harder and harder to participate - some believe we
should make it easier to allow the widest possible participation. You obviously
don't want to put in the work to make the system better - it's fine the way it
is. How can a missionary or a military man make an informed choice? It's
called print media, it's called the internet, it's called e-mail.
To Anon808,You have the right idea! Maybe if everyone campaigns for
Jesus for President, and we elect him to office, maybe he will actually show up
and take charge!Have faith, people! Vote Jesus for President!
I guess people forget that there were over 70,000 people that elected those 3500
state GOP delegates. That means for every delegate there were about 20
registered republican voters active enough to show up to a meeting for a couple
of hours. Bob Bennett wasn't shown the door by 3/4 of the delegates, but 3/4 of
the 70,000 caucus attendees.
@ Charles..... whats the problem, too high on your mighty pulpit thinking your
ideas are the only valid ones? Heaven forbid that someone should actually
listen to both sides, ponder all arguments, and come up with a balanced
solution. As to the constitution, perhaps you ought to read the
whole thing... there is more in there than defending the borders buried in all
those words. The entire constitution is based on not one side having total
power. It is about political debate, and compromise. It is not winner take
all. That my dear philosopher is one party rule, the Marxist plan... and the
Republicans are diving head first into a desire to have absolute power with no
balance. And if we want to dive down into Mr. Obama's previous
friendships, then lets have an honest conversation about it. Lets discuss
Watergate, Iran-Contra, and Mr. Bush's administration outing a CIA agent in
retribution for not agreeing with bogus WMD justifications... all three of these
resulted in criminal charges and prison terms. You pick. Odd former friends
versus members of the administration that broke the law themselves. Is it only bad when a democrat does it?
I would not go to a Caucus because i believe the Caucus is against the law.
I will Write In whom I think should be in Office. I cannot count the
Number of times I have Voted for jesus.
I do not like your system of selecting who will run in the Primary and who the
Voter will get to Vote for.It protects the Old Guard on both sides.
Work against the little guy trying to make it on a shoe string. In
the General Election I can see closing Ranks. However the Primary should be open
to all comers.Tghe Rules limit the process and need to be challenged
in Court and changed. A person should have a right to run in a
Primary against all comers and be selected or not by all the Voters.Under this system good people do not get a chance to even try.In
Hawaii any one can run either Repub or Dem in their own Primary. If the Voters
chose the wrong person, or the wrong person is the only one running for the
party. The Party does not support them and does not give them any money.So the Dem usually winds up running more or less alone. The media will
sometimes even ignore the Rebub. If he/she is a Pro Life Right Winger they get
nothing.About 25% of people Vote in Hawaii’s Primary.
mt_cicero raises a couple of questions that I would like to respond to.You object to the fact that 100% of the people don't get a chance to vote in
the caucuses and yet you ignore the fact that in general elections 100% of the
people never do vote nor do they want to vote. There are also people too sick
to vote or blind, or suffering from other handicaps who might like to vote.
What about all of those people? There is no perfect form of representation.
Sorry but that's just the way it is, and for that matter the general elections
are far worse than the caucuses, so why don't you fix them?You
complain that people can't afford to campaign to everyone in a primary but do
you believe campaign financing works well in the general elections? Does anyone
ldsgemini: Excellent comments! The primaries do work and they give us an
orderly way to make our voices heard.Those who stay informed and
involved go to their mass meetings to nominate and elect representatives. In my
mass meeting we made sure the candidates stated their political views and how
they felt about the candidates such as Bob Bennett. The vast majority of people
there were sick of business as usual in Washington and wanted a change because
they felt somebody ought to be able to do a better job than Bennett.There were a few there who thought Bennett did a good job even though he
helped preside over the mortgage lending disaster of 2008 while serving on the
Senate Banking committee. Bennett refused to admit there was anything wrong
with lending industry and claimed our economy was sound. Its time to put
somebody in office who have eyes to see and ears to hear!
re: Homers Perhaps the question you should ask is why are state funds being used
to select private parties' nominees? The answer to your question is
obvious...public funds pay for primaries, they don't pay for conventions. Nor
should they. You've focused with laser like intensity on the fact that you have
to attend your caucus and that precludes military personnel, missionaries, or a
plethora of other individuals who are obstructed from attending their caucus.
Fine. You obviously believe that moving to a primary system would be a better
solution. How so? How exactly do you propose for a military man or missionary to
make an informed decision for a primary vote? How do you propose a candidate who
is not funded by outside interest groups to campaign to everyone in a primary?
Do you really believe it's better to promote that kind of a race? Sounds more
like a mile wide and an inch deep kind of campaign beholden to well funded
special interest groups. Tough choices, granted, but not so easily black and
white as you appear to believe.
I am hearing a lot about how the caucus meetings are fundamentally flawed - I
ask, did you ever attend one? If so, then you would know that: 1. This is how
your political party set it up within your state, 2. it is set up by total
representation. Ladies and Gentlemen, if you don't like the candidates you see,
then 1. become one yourself or 2. go to the meetings and become a delegate, or
3. know who your delegate is in your precinct.This is how
representation works, and how you vote for someone you want to represent you.
One of Bob Bennett's huge failures was his refusal to admit that the housing
bubble was unsustainable and needed to be addressed. For years most reputable
financial analysts knew that the inflation in the housing market was heading
over a cliff and the longer we waited the worse the fall would be. Bennett
served on the Senate banking committee and as such it was his job to foresee
economic problems and fight for solutions before it was too late. Bob Bennett
failed in his most important job. He failed to even admit that there was a
problem. Now we will be suffering from this failure for years to come. Bob
Bennett is a failure along with other Republicans, and there are plenty of other
good people who deserve a chance to serve. Thank you Utah for doing the right
thing by replacing a failed Senator.
still no answer from all you shills for the caucus system
Bennett voted for TARP (taxpayer funds)(S.Amdt 5685 to H.R.1424)Bennett voted with Federal Government on Utah's Lands (H.R.146)Bennett voted with Ted Kennedy on immigration reform. (S.1639) [Bills located
at www.senate.gov]Bennett had an individual and employer mandate on
his Health Care proposal. (similar to Democrat bill) (www.factcheck.org) I talked with him personally. He's a nice guy but he
sacrificed/compromised his values. This is why he was voted out. Please do some research before you vote in November. Please. If its Granato or
anyone else make sure you know why you are voting for them.
I've been listening to comments about Bob Bennett, lamenting the fact that he
was one of a few moderates willing to take the risk of reaching across the isle
only to be defeated for doing so. Though I love and appreciate Bob Bennett for
all that he has done in his service to our state, it may be the time in history
where these kinds of changes are destined to happen. Reaching across the isle in
theory sounds like a very nice thing, but in reality we are choosing up sides -
the social, economic, and environmental conservatives, VS the liberal social,
economic, and environmental activists. My generation may just need to move over
and let the battle take place. No one is doing anything helpful or of any
substance in compromise. Our differences are very stark. The liberals own
California and New York and look what kind of condition they're in. People are
waking up all over the country ready to instigate real changes. Most are anxious
about the direction this new administration is taking us. Though I am sad at the
state of politics today, it is what it is, and decisive action is needed. Sally
Too much Tea at the Republican Party.....
I love how people talk about outside groups like Club for Growth and how they
distort the views of the electorate of Utah. But not once do they mention the
untold Millions that bob has raked in through fundraisers in other States. Isn't
this the same outside money?Except this time it isn't influencing
the electorate it is influencing the Senator.
Health care for employees adds $1000 to the cost of a car built in the US. A
car built in Germany does not have that cost. The trade deficit is another
problem we should be looking at because we can't compete with goods made in
other countries.And illegal immigration. Simple solution. They
won't come here if they can't get jobs. It is that simple. Fine the employers
who hire them. Make it a crime to hire an illegal and the problem goes away. A
common misconception is that illegals get welfare but that is absolutely not
true. Not one dime. Welfare and unemployment offices check to make sure they
are legal, why can't employers?
OK, less edge in this response.Your views of moderates...you
completely underestimate the crew you are trying to work with. Yes, many
Democrats simply have a failed understanding of the 20th Century and economics.
Fine. Most Democrats like Matheson are NOT people like Nancy Pelosi, or our
President. Their views are not about helping but about radical change of
America. These are people that would ultimate change America into a full blown
socialist state with resulting changes in freedom.I've posted in
times past about the New American Exceptionalism, which is the end of democratic
institutions. I'm not going into that now but it is a key cog in socialism. The
catch phrase is "post partisanship" and involves the dismantling of
representative government. How do you intend to "moderate" this? Example: Congress has not allowed the Feds to take over the Internet
(legislative branch). A Federal court ruled the Feds cannot do it (judiciary
branch). Yet, just three days ago a government agency under the authority of
President Obama just declared the Internet a utility and, in blatant disregard
of both the Legislative branch and the Judiciary, they are taking it over. Please "moderate" for us.
You are applying a title to moderate that has little use with practice. I am
sure this is how you view things but the reality and practice is not so kind.
Moderates have been used by the radical left for a long time. Your desire to
move things forward amounts to trying to make the most amount of people happy.
How do you intend to moderate the next level of debt? So when
Congress votes to raise the national debt limit to say $15 trillion, are you
going to say No or simply ask them to take it to $14 trillion instead? How are
you going to "find" another way? And if you do, as you have done for decades
now, simply talk them into $14 trillion, no problem. They will "settle" for $14
trillion then ask for $16 trillion next year. Once again our wonderful
"moderates" will "talk them down" to only $15 trillion. In the end, you are just
being "useful" as they move their shell game forward.You give the
term "moderate" such noble traits. Sadly, Lenin found a different way to
describe it. Bob Bennett spent 18 years trying to "moderate" everything
I couldn't vote at my caucus because I was unable to attend. My son in law is
deployed in Afghanistan and could not vote at his caucus - someone explain to me
how this is a defendable situation?
Mt. Cicero - election laws apply to a closed Republican or Democratic primary
election even though they are not general elections - why then do we have no
like protections for the caucus? No one will answer my question why we have no
safeguards to allow a deployed member of the military to cast a ballot in the
caucus - it cannot be defended and it is not fair or right and should be
corrected. You may make an argument that they are legal (I would argue
otherwise) but you cannot defend a system that disenfranchises people. Nobody
has yet made an argument for the caucus that does anything but change the
subject, make unfounded accusations about ALL people who did not attend the
caucus (all lazy, all uninformed, all disinterested, etc.) the fact is that the
caucus system has some fairly glaring inadequacies that would be very easy to
fix if the parties were truly interested in engendering participation instead of
throwing up roadblocks. Still waiting for someone to defend the system that
disenfranchises deployed military personnel.
I believe firmly in the Caucus system. This year I had great concerns for the
direction of our president and his Congress and had hoped to have an influence ~
somehow. I studied the issues and the major candidates and felt prepared for
Caucus night. I ran for state delegate because the only answer I could see is a
restoration of what has been lost in our country. Our precinct attendees were
80%+ Bennett supporters. Of course I was not elected after I declared that I
could no longer support Mr. Bennett. Since then, I have studied more, written
letters, made countless calls, and spoken to delegates of other precincts around
the state. Let there be no mistake, I guarantee that my voice WAS well
represented yesterday. Those of you who criticize others for not choosing to
think like you are protected by the very document that protectss and allows us
to not think like you. "United we stand! Divided we fall."
@rw: how have political extremists delayed finding a cure for anything? Details
please, not your usual hyperbole.So, according to you, no one but a
moderate is respectful, understanding, agreeable?Sounds kind of
self-centered to me.Would you mind listing all of your moderate
beliefs so we can see what a moderate stance is? Again, specifics of what your
principled stances are. Your answers will help us all know exactly what it means
to be a moderate and understand your position.
@"the truth"You are confusing a "Moderate" with appeasers and
apathetics. Think about the word as a verb. What does it mean to
moderate? It means to help move all parties or groups who are supposed to be
working together in a direction of progress and common good. A Moderate is
therefore a true representative, because they recognize the equality of all. Feel free to complain about neutrals, apathetics, appeasers,
fence-sitters, or flip-floppers. But don't misuse the label of Moderate in
referring to such people. On behalf of Moderates everywhere, we find it
Forgive me for that last rant. But the acts of political extremists have
delayed finding a cure for serious diseases that I and my family have, and they
have driven us nearly into bankruptcy. They have also set a tone of discourse in
our country that is destroying us. Being a moderate is not about backing down.
It's not about giving up. It's not about denying your principles, your values.
It's about showing respect for other people, being able to work with them,
understanding that sometimes three steps forward and one step back is better
than standing still.
@jmt: don't worry, you aren't the only one who is censored by the ever sensitive
people who are the gatekeeper to the 1st Amendment at the DNews.What
would the press say if Bill Ayers, bomber of the Pentagon, was a close friend of
Bush and was in the White House quite often??Bennett was released
because he is out of touch with those principles he was supposed to be fighting
for. Hatch will go down next time if he doesn't retire before. The writing is on
the wall and it's loud and clear --- stand up for conservative principles or be
voted out.@Susan -- you want cuts? well start with all the
entitlement programs created by Progressives which leads to the enslavement of
the people. Then we would have enough money for the government to actually do
what the Constitution tells it to which is secure the border and defend the
country.The government isn't supposed to be your mommy and daddy
taking care of you from cradle to grave. Sure, some people need assistance but
that's what charities and churches are for.
Re: the truthThere is nothing mealymouthed about my views. Anyone
who knows me can't get me to shut up about them. But I also believe in the
second great commandment. And in the Beatitudes. And I'm not egocentric enough
to think that I have all the truth. And I recognize that we all live on this
planet together, and we have to get along. And sometimes that involves
compromise. Absolute unbendable ideologies lead to war. They are also
impractical. They don't solve problems, they cause them. They don't attract
adherents, they push away people. There is a big difference between a moderate
and an apathetic. A moderate believes that our government is for all the people,
not just for those who believe the way they do. The number one problem with our
country is that the extremists on both sides are so sure that they are
absolutely right and the other side is absolutely wrong that they will not talk
to each other, and therefore get nothing done. And people die. Thank you very
The moderators are out in force today. If I had to guess they object to the term
"useful idiot." Maybe this is because they are in on the game. Maybe
it is because they have no clue of history. Maybe they have no idea that this
was a known strategy of Marxist forces.Lenin was famously quoted as
saying that as they marched world socialism forward they would be assisted by
weak politicians who simply wanted to be popular. He refered to these
politicians as "useful idiots." They ultimately opposed world socialism yet,
since they had no clue what they were doing they were useful. His words, not
mine.With Obama we see people openly advocating for socialism and
Marxism. For heaven sakes, one of your posters has chosen the screen name of
"Marxist." We are no longer debating between the lines. We are now openly
fighting those who openly advocating world socialism and marxism. No more hidden
agendas. No more games or guessing. It is in the open.And in this
game there remain those who don't have a clue. They are very useful for Lenin's
great-grandchildren.Is reality too tough for the moderators?
The return of the king men? While polishing your agendas for the 2010
revolution folks, remember what was promised. Just as an example (illegal
immigration): "I will stir them up to be a scourge unto thy seed". Also, read
Collected Works of Hugh Nibley vol 8. pp 328-379, 435-468 Excellent discourse.
It wouldn't hurt to brush up on Jacob chapter 2, Mosiah 2-4 ... um ...
actually read the entire Book of Mormon. Find the flaws in the reasoning or use
the same sources to defend your argument.
YoungsterzWhat would you cut? Show me. Exactly. "Cutting waste" is a cop
out.If you are going to blame Clinton for 9/11 then blame Bush Sr.
for the first World Trade Center bombing. If you make the argument that Clinton
cut defense, remember he had a republican secretary of defense (Cohen) and a
republican congress. So it was Republicans who made us vulnerable by cutting
defense budgets. You can only pin 9/11 on Clinton if you ignore the facts. The debt was $1 Trillion when Reagan took office. It was $3 Trillion
when he left and $4.2 Trillion when Bush Sr. left office. It was $5 Trillion
when W took office and $10 Trillion when he left. Those are numbers. Facts.
Republicans were on watch for the worst terrorist attack in our history, spent
us into debt, and presided over the worst financial meltdown since the Great
Depression. Keep voting GOP if you want. (And Iraq? Got WMD? I know it must
be awful to be a republican given the last 8 years but you'd do better to face
reality. Your party is as bankrupt as it has left my country.)
@ the truth: thanks for speaking the truth about these so-called moderates. @ great plains saint: how had Bennett suffered? He was elected to office
and now he wasn't elected to office. What suffering took place?Your
ignorance is showing as Bennett can't run as an Independent once he declared and
ran in a different party. What a beautiful law, isn't it?You hate
the Tea Partiers, huh? Why? They believe in limited government, low taxes,
personal property rights, the Constitution. What's so hateful about that?It sounds to me that you need to bone up on what is actually taking
place in this nation and stand up and be counted are get run over by the
conservative train that is coming through!
RE: rw | 6:33 a.mYOu missed a big one, a moderate,
is one has NO courage to take a stand for what he believes, stands for
nothing,but is quite willing to compromise his principles, if they
have any, and the country,they just want to please everyone,rather than doing the unpopuar but right thing,for
evil to triumph all it takes is for good men to do nothing,fence
sitters are dispicable.it is one theing to moderation in your
diet, or moderation in drinking, moderation time watchng tv,
it is one thing to comprimise on details, in order to get something done,it is quite another to compromise your values, principles, beliefs, and
even the country.IF you do not stand for something, then you stand for nothing, and you permissively allow evil to flourish.This vote today shows the people want their repesentative
or senator to stand for something, and not be mealymouthed on all
the things that are effecting this country from bailouts (corporate welfare)
and outrageous spending, to the total socialization and federal take over of
ths once great country.
sandieg0b0y | 1:46 a.m. May 9, 2010Obama's radical policies are
destroying the nation and Bennett sat around and played the fiddle.------Yes, just like how unemployment rose from 4.6 to 7.7 before
he took office to from 7.7 to 9.7 after he took office.Both parties
spend the difference being Democrats want to pay for it with taxes while
Republicans buy on credit. Under Regan we became a debtor nation
for the first time in history. Clinton left a surplus, and Bush II left the
mess for another Democrat to clean up.
Senator Bennett argues that he has seniority, which also means he understands
who to work within the system. He is a manager. One who is acquainted with how
Washington works. I want someone who is going to stand up everyday
the sentate and explain where we have strayed from the constitution. I want a
senator who when asked what he is going To DO in congress, answers that the
reporter is asking the wrong question. The right question is what are we going
to undo. A hundred years of moving from a republic to a democracy filled with
legislation that has taken away all the decision-making from the states and
given the federal government control. I want a senator who will restore the
republic be repealing thousands of overreaching federal laws. I want a senator
who will tear down all those federal buildings that house all those federal
entitlement programs and turn them ALL BACK TO THE STATES. If New Jersey wants
health care, let them have health care. If Utah wants freedom from government
controlled health care, let them have it. We need a senator/teacher
to teach us how to restore our republic. Bennet is not it.
I am saddened that a good family man with high values has suffered as a result
of a group that does not represent this Saint or the Political party I was
reared in. I hope Senator Bennett will run as an Independent. The Tea Hate
Party has no place in my faith or in its destruction of the party of Lincoln and
Re: UtahbluedevilDemonizing the founding fathers is the ultimate
step towards the loss of freedom that will be soon coming to America. I'm not denying the fact that jefferson had his problems. But when
people claim to fight communism with one hand and embrace it on the other hand,
it is the same as not fighting it at all. No man can serve two masters.If we don't restore the government to it's proper size and it's proper role,
we will have a police state. That has been the case with every government in
history. We are revolting in the best way possible. I don't want to live in a
police state, hopefully the general public feels the same.You tell
me to remember history, look at the history of how government were overthrown,
None of them were due to peacful revolution unless it was a tyrannical
government that was being overthrown.
Hey Anti Bush Obama,You also forget to mention that Jefferson also
ended up a plantation slave holder who fathered a child with one of his slaves,
who he himself couldn't balance a budget, ending his life broke and deeply in
debt.His work in founding this country should never be ignored,
discredited or diminished. But the reality of the man should not be ignored
either. He was hardly a church going man, nor one that wasn't known to pursue
his interest to his own financial harm. So lets balance history a
little bit, and recognize that the world we live in today is hugely different
that today, and that there were many gaping holes in the document these men
crafted that have taken over 200 years to correct.Take off the rose
colored glasses and very history as it really was, not the fairy sanitized
version we are always fed.America is a great country, but it has had
its rough spots, which people shed blood to fix. Lets us never forget that.
Bennett deserved better. The right has taken a turn towards the
cliff... it will be interesting to watch what comes next.
Susan & Billy Bob: You've both missed one other critical point: Clinton helped
balance the budget in large part because of heavy cuts in defense spending,
which really opened the door to 9/11. Our economy was relatively strong, but
our defense was weak, and we got caught with our pants down.It is
extremely short-sighted to attribute a current economy to the actions of a
single man (the president) currently in office, or the immediate past president.
Things typically take far longer than that to fully impact what is going on.
Social Security seemed like a fine idea 50 years ago, but now it is really a
problem. It is every president's fault since for not reigning it in.We can't keep layering up the entitlement programs, and spending more and more
money. Financial catastrophe is yet to really hit us, and the recent bubbles &
busts are only a small part of the complete meltdown that is the inevitable
result of overspending, overregulation, and government manipulation of markets,
money, and economics.That is why we voted out Bennett yesterday. He
is part of that overspending big government that is in the process of completely
Re : Ajax 5:06 pm."Under the guise of moral outrage extremism
encourages intolerance and vengeance, emotions that feed on themselves to the
detriment of everyone. It is often a precursor of ruinous group behavior that
can later bring regret. So at odds with what we like to think of as the American
way, conservative extremism, in my view, is the problem rather than any kind of
solution."If the founding fathers had your mentality, we would still
be controlled by the English.Thomas Jefferson said, "Dissent is the
highest form of Patriotism."
brillo - I was out of town attending the delivery of my grandson - I would have
loved to have voted for a state and county delegate by absentee ballot though.
BTW - my son-in-law is in Afghanistan and he didn't get to go to the caucus
either. Yea, I know, we are just lazy good for nothings who don't care. Now,
that you essentially accused me of whining and that I really don't care -
explain to me why my son-in-law doesn't get a chance to cast his vote even
though he saves your fanny on a day to day basis.
@County Resident: You aren't being forbidden to do anything. Of your own free
will and choice, you choose not to join a party to decide who the representative
of that party will be.It's an easy concept to understand. Being that
I'm not a member of your family, will you allow me to come in and vote on family
decisions? Of course not. It's a ludicrous statement, right?If you
don't want to take a stand and join a party that is your right. But don't expect
anyone to feel sorry for you when those who do join a party, work hard within
the party to make it better, meet with their neighbors for an hour every 2
years, elect delegates who will represent them and then said delegates vote in
the convention.It's a great process; one that takes it directly to
the neighborhoods! How much more grass roots can that be.What I find
funny is the general public is really ignorant about the votes of incumbents but
vote for them based on name recognition or soundbites.Voting apathy
is also pathetic.You get to choose what you do.
Billy Bob, Clinton left office with a 200B surplus. Bush 2 left office with a
1.3 trillion deficit. It wasn't the wars, it's that he refused to fund the wars
and instead cut taxes and put it on your credit card. Clinton was on track to
eliminate the debt, as he eliminated the deficit. You can give credit to the
republicans in Congress or you can say Republican presidents have a harder time
cleaning up after dems. But the facts don't support you. Your side says it is
fiscally conservative but isn't.Which entitlement programs are you
going to cut? Social Security? Welfare accounts for less than 2% of the
budget. Foreign Aid, another 2%. Unless you are willing to cut social
security, Medicare or defense, you've taken about 70% of the budget off the
table. Good luck finding enough "waste" with the rest of it to pay off the
Reagan/Bush Sr. (tripled it) and W (doubled it) debt. Especially with the job
losses and bank failures W brought us. Luckily for all of us, the dems are back
to fix it
By reading some of the posts from Bennett supporters, I am wondering if the
world even existed before he got to Washington. Surely it won't go on after he
leaves. What ever will we do without his 'experience and influence' guiding the
way in Washington? My guess is that the country will save money and Utah will
be just fine.
Dear mark: the word is you're not your. It's a contraction for the words you
are. When you actually learn English then I'll worry about YOUR criticisms.Duly elected delegate.Duly did my due diligence.Duly voted for who I think is the best candidate.Laugh at those
who sit on the sidelines and don't get involved but whine about the system.I guess you didn't go to your caucus or weren't able to convince your
neighbors to vote for you. Either one, it doesn't really matter.I
have yet to hear anyone and I didn't hear it yesterday say that Bennett is a bad
man. Bennett is a good and decent man. His time came up and people voted for a
change. What is so difficult to understand about that? The way DC works? Not a
good enough reason....Bennett was a freshman once and now he is retired. If he
couldn't get it done in 18 years what would another 6 do.Hatch is
next. Chaffetz will take him out in 2 years. Mark it down on your calendar!@mark --- waaaaaa! :)
The world of politics is complex. There are no simple answers. However, in the case of Senator Bennett, few realized had he been elected he
would have been the OLDEST Senator EVER elected in Utah. Tall order.That issue about his age was simple.It's time to rebuild for the
future, scrap the seniority system in Washington and restore sanity to fiscal
policy. Ending entitlement programs is job one. It's complex, not
easy to do. It will be an uphill battle from here on in. Is there
anybody out there who really believes ousting Senator Bennett was the work of a
radical, extremist, vocal minority, a conspiracy within the Republican party?
Please, spare me the dramatics.This is time marching on.
Senator Bennett's time was up. He served well. One race on one
day in May isn't going to turn the world on its ear. . . but it's a pretty good
start.Bridgewater hit it out of the park yesterday. Lee has some
work to do. But don't misunderstand what happened. The
outcome yesterday was mostly self-inflicted by Bennett. He forgot the seat
belongs to THE PEOPLE. Not complex.It's simple.Move on.
@Charles|7:10 p.m. May 8, 2010oh the complaining about the caucus
system...whaaaaBob was released from his calling with a vote of
thanks.Well, given that stance, let's just get rid of Congress and
have every vote on every issue decided by the people. After all,
many fools on these pages....It's time to wake up from your nap
people and get educated...----------------------------------------------------================================Okay, this is what is wrong with
the cacaus system. This person was elected a delegate. "waaaaaaaa"
Really? I mean really? And your an adult?
I predicted this right after the Republican caucuses when the Bennett supporters
in a very conservative Republican precinct were soundly defeated.Too
many politicians who spend their lives in Washington forget who they represent
Billy Reagan run and ran from Beirut, had the most convictions within his
administration than any president in American history, he trained Ben Ladan and
others who are now terrorist and he sold arms to Iran. Under Bush
the Taliban recaptured 90% of Afghanistan.It was republican senator
Phil Gramm that pushed through the bills that created this recession.
To Samuel Adams:"The caucus process was open to all who wanted to
participate. The delegates are regular Moms, Dads, workers, and students. They
performed their authorized duty and the "Voice of the People" has spoken."Clarity (nice GOP word): The GOP caucus process is open only to select
GOP delegates and it is NOT the "voice of the people." It is only the voice of a
select few who first chose to pledge allegiance to a political party. Bob
Bennett lost by delegates who are NOT in touch with the electorate of the state.
Poll after poll showed Bennett was liked by the voters. This could bite the
GOP come November.Lastly, I should be able to vote because I am an
American...not a republican nor a democrat. I've voted for republicans and
democrats but the Utah GOP seems to further alienate me from the process. I
have to join the GOP party to be a delegate and join the GOP party to vote in
the primary. Alas, this American is being forbidden to vote in the primary
because I refuse to pledge allegiance to the GOP.
Rw,Well said on explaining what a Moderate is. Most people
understand these things, and it is unfortunate that there are so many others
feel that "standing up for their principles" can only be done at the expense of
others. We Moderates want the same things as anyone. The only main
difference is that we want it for everybody, and are willing to work with others
whose views may differ from ours because they, after all, deserve the same say
in the shaping of their society too. A Moderate primarily focuses
on the methodology of how policies are made. Ideological beliefs are only
secondary. I hope more Moderates will speak up in the political
sphere. Let's not allow the extremists to dictate our future.
To Susan (continued)OK, I almost forgot something. You also have to
take in to consideration what the Presidents had to work with. Reagan had the
Cold War as well as Carter's mess to clean up... and still had an improving
economy for most of his term. Bush had 9/11 and increasing America's defense
against terrorism to deal with... oh, not to mention two huge economic bubbles
being burst (internet and housing),the foundation of which were set in Clinton's
term. Clinton, on the other hand, had a relative cake walk as President, and he
still managed to be in office when the foundations for the housing bust and the
internet bust were set. So, I guess I shot down your absurd claim in
more then 200 words. But it was still fun.
Good process.Good results.Bennett is a good guy, but
proved himself unwilling to actually fight for what he said he believes in.
That is why he was replaced.This was not an overnight Tea Party
movement, but the outcome of several years where career Republicans lost their
way, became big spenders, and chose to get along with their "colleagues" rather
than stand up for smaller government, less spending, and more freedom.Chris Cannon got dumped in 2008. Bennett in 2010. Hatch will be next in
2012.Fiscal restraint must be restored to our country immediately if
we are to save it from collapse due to unsustainable spending-- see Argentina
and Greece as shining examples of what will happen if we do not turn things
around.I hope Senators and Representatives from other states are
paying close attention. Perhaps their voters are not as quick to act as Utahns,
but this is a tide of reality which is sweeping the change (for the worse)
To Susan If you really think Clinton would have us out of debt right
now, then you obviously don't know anything about economics. Likewise, if you
think the national debt is attributable only to Reagan and the two Bushes, you
obviously don't know anything about how the economy works. The President is not
the only one who can effect the economy (or the national debt), not by a long
shot. To place all the blame on 3 people is ignorant and shows your liberal
bias. You also obviously need to brush up on your history. Most of
Reagan's spending (that he was responsible for) was due to national defense/the
Cold War. Much of Bush 2's spending was due to defense (but I really don't agree
with much of his other spending). Also, Reagan had a mostly Democrat congress.
Clinton had a mostly Republican congress. Yes, indeed, your bias is showing. But
please keep making absurd claims. They are fun to shoot down in 200 words or
To ExAFvetYou are right it is undemocratic, as it should be. We are
a Republic, not a democracy. There is a difference.
Congratulations to Mr. Bridgewater and Mr. Lee. Good luck in the coming
primary.To those celebrating Senator Bennett's ouster, broad
sweeping idealistic platitudes are quickly tempered by the school of hard
knocks.Just like in life itself there is idealistic thinking and
then there is actually doing. Once a new Senator is in place he will need to
overcome determined and powerful opposition and make tough decisions based on
reality. Passion is great, results are better.The T. Party folks
will go back homes with visions of sugar plums dancing in their heads. The new
Senator will need to represent the interests of all Utahns not just the far
right.Senator Bennett still has some important work to do in
fighting for intelligent regulation of financial institutions. The Democrat bill
in the Senate and House right now is a very flawed and over-reaching piece of
legislation.Many Republicans also do not understand this issue,
which is the key bill before the Senate right now. Senator Bennett does
understand it, as I've talked with his top aide on this issue. Hopefully he will
have some success in amending and improving the legislation, before he retires.
The national debt is the result of 3 presidents: Reagan and the two Bushes. It
went up a little under other presidents but it skyrocketed under those two. If
it is the deficit that bothers you, re-elect Clinton. He left a surplus. We
would be out of debt by now if he was still president.The US pays 16% of
its GDP on medical care. Other Western countries pay 8%. The US pays more than
any other country but ranks 37th in quality of care. If we don't do something
about health care it will bankrupt us. Other countries with cheaper health care
live an average of 4 years longer than we do. Look it up. These are all facts.
Oh, and the rocket industry in Utah? 800 jobs lost making rockets for the
space shuttle. You don't want to cut that? And the banking bail out? Has
already made a profit. With Bennett gone we will lose far more than 800 jobs in
Utah's Thrift/Banking industry. Facts. Stubborn things. Use them.
Perhaps Utah will finally show the extreme reich that they know how to vote for
a democrat for senate. Probably not but if the moderates want they will have the
power to fundamental change the way GOP politicians pander. We need them
pandering to the middle, not the extreme.
Senator Bennett deserves a thank you for his service, but he has been in office
beyond his usefullness. Career polititions are toxic to American democracy.
There needs to be term limits to keep America's political system healthy.
I find it truly sad that our state delegates (I won't say we because I didn't
have the opportunity to vote on this) threw out a seasoned, powerful, and
well-respected senator. It's time to change the caucus system in Utah.
Caucuses are fine, up to a point, but all registered voters should be able to
vote on the top three candidates in a primary. Sadly, the
extremists are taking over our state and that scares me!
re Homers: I might be more sympathetic to your case about the caucus system
being "unconstitutional" if political parties weren't private groups. If a group
of like-minded individuals wanted to start the "Johnson" party of Utah and only
allow people with the last name of "Johnson" and who live on one street in Salt
Lake to either run or vote for who represents their group in the election, then
more power to them. In my family the parents' votes count for more than the
kids' votes when it comes to family decisions. My family is also a private
group. So unless you're campaigning for the 1 man 1 vote premise to apply to my
family, I suggest perhaps you consider just what the scope of the U.S.
Constitution really is.
This is really foolish for Utah. As one who grew up in Utah and has been away
for professional education for nearly a decade, I won't likely be back due to
the ferocity of the "Republican" party. As a card carrying Republican, it's
hard for me to understand this move. Senator Bennett has served Utah
relentlessly for several years, now holds high-ranking positions in the Senate
and you choose to let him go because he has been a helpful member of the Senate?
Good luck with your candidate in November...I predict a Democrat will be
elected and that will pour some salt into your wounds.
Sunny0927,even it bailout Bob had won another term it would have
been his last. The option was to lose a member of the Senate Appropriations
Committee now or in another 6 years. The tradeoff is getting someone who will
actually vote the will of the people and not his own will. Of his voting record
he said"Looking back on them, with one or two very minor exceptions, I wouldn't
have cast any of them any differently even if I had known at the time they were
going to cost me my career." And that is why he got canned. He didn't want to
REPRESENT the people It is so shortsighted of you and everyone else to not
These delegates are doing a good job at making me want to vote for a Democrat
senator for the first time. Wish tea-party people would join the Libertarian
party instead, it seems to much better reflect their beliefs.
The tea party nuts will crow and take credit, saying that this helps return the
GOP to whatever they think America should look like based on 1787 rather than
2010. However, this only shows they are marginalizing the party, not the
country. It might work in Utah, but it won't work nationally. Utah's GOP is
extreme right wing, and I wonder if Utahns will grow weary of it.
"Looking back on them, with one or two very minor exceptions, I wouldn’t
have cast any of [the votes] any differently, even if I had known at the time
they were going to cost me my career."First elected at age 53 he
promised to serve two terms only.At age 76 he is seeking a fourth
term.There's the problem. He considered the job a career.Adios Bob-Oh. Get a dog. Go raise tomatoes.
Great, now we have the opportunity to send someone to Congress to represent our
state with zero political experience. With this lack of experience, he says he
will cut taxes, restore our Constitution and eliminate the Federal government
from our daily life. How unique that he is going to do this as a freshman
Senator. Enjoy the show Utah, you deserve what you voted for.
What is a moderate?A moderate doesn't boo people they don't agree
with.A moderate speaks respectfully of those with differing views.A
moderate believes that people are more important than parties or ideologies.A moderate focuses on the 95% that they have in common with the other side,
and builds on that.A moderate accepts the fact that they don't know
everything.A moderate recognizes that those with differing opinions are
also trying to do the right thing.A moderate is more interested in solving
problems than proving who's right, and will recognize a good idea is a good idea
no matter where it comes from.
The claim is made that this was a Tea-Party event. The fact is that there is a
little more to it than that.The far-right have been trying to take
over the GOP for years. Even though they are a minority in the party, they get
themselves elected as delegates and try to wreak havoc at the convention. This
year they succeeded.Did I agree with Senator Bennett't TARP vote.
NO I DID NOT! But, I think he should have been allowed to get to the primary
where the maintstream of the party would have had a chance to make the
decision.I will be supporting Mike Lee, who I think will make an
excellent senator. But, I think it is terrible the way Senator Bennett has been
The delegates must have little understanding on how DC works. If change is what
they want, then change they will get. Less influence in DC, less ability to get
anything done for Utah, and more partisanship. Not everyone thinks like Utah
does, and Bennett's best attribute (similar to Hatch) is that he can reach out
to the other side when needs be. And guess what, this needs be was this current
Congress when Republicans were in the super minority until the Brown election in
Mass. Bennett gets railed on for his partnering with Wyden on the HC bill -
think what the health care bill would have looked like if it did have
Republicans hands on it. If you know something is going to pass, you might as
well try and make it a little more palatable. Congrats, Utah. You'll get
what the delegates think you deserve - less representation in DC, at a time when
you least can afford it.
Let's add a "none of the above" option for every office on the ballot. And if we
don't like who the conventions have chosen, we can choose "none of the above"
and the parties have to go back to the drawing board. New candidates, new
election. Until they choose someone we can live with. It would cost more time
and money, but not as much as having the wrong person in office.
This is a great opportunity for Utahns to reject the radical fringes that have
dominated the Utah GOP.Hate to see such a price being paid.
I lived in Utah for over 30 years and was a state delegate and would have voted
for Sen. Bennett, but I'm temporarily living in Mississippi. Several years ago
I had the opportunity to meet with him in his Washington DC office for over 45
minutes about an issue near to my heart--he was extremely honest about the
prospects of my issue and though it wasn't what I wanted to hear, I respected
his candor and honesty. He is not a political hack as some would say--he's a
statesmen and he deserves respect from the Republican Party. From what I read
the convention attenders should be ashamed and some of the comments are
atrocious. The caucus system is a disaster with the party hijacked by the
extreme right and yes I have attended every caucus mtg since the 1970's. Most
people play nice at the caucus mtgs. as they go to church and live with the
attendees. Utah republicans desperately need a new system. Please Sen. Bennett
consider a write-in campaign--the majority is there. Regardless, thanks for your
service and good luck in the future.
We can counter the control of the electoral process by the extremists if we do
one thing. Add a "none of the above" option to the candidates for every office.
If "none of the above" wins, we have to start all over with that office, the
original candidates can't run again. Yes, it will cost more time and money, but
not as much as having the wrong candidate in office.
I think that Utah's system of nomination is completely undemocratic. ALL
Republicans should have a say in who the nominee will be.
We've traded a ranking member of the Senate Appropriations Committee for a
political unknown. As every "newbie" has found out, they count for nothing in
Washington. How short-sighted!
Look, Bennett's a good guy and a decent politican, but he was kicked out not
because of some extreme right wing conspiracy as the worried liberals are
desperately trying to convince everyone, but simply because he abandoned his
constituency at a time when his constituency needed him most.Obama's
radical policies are destroying the nation and Bennett sat around and played the
fiddle. This was his great sin and the reason so many regular Utahns are upset
with him...and now he has paid the price for it.We need someone in
place who we can trust will have our backs when the going gets tough. And it
looks like it's going to be a tough few years...So I'm voting
Bridgewater. (I don't think Lee knows what is going on. All he ever talks about
is the constitution because it's all he knows. Everything else he says is pretty
weak.)Here's to better times.
I can't help wondering how many people whining about the caucus system bothered
to attend their caucus. homers, did you go to yours?
By all means, lets tilt at windmills. This was a stupid, stupid, stupid vote.
The caucus system is fantastic. As other readers have pointed out, we are a
republic, not a democracy. Rather than seek information and make decisions on
our own, we elect informed people to make decisions on our behalf. It is such a
great system, in fact, that I think we should take it even one or two steps
further. Let's create a pre-caucus system, where we vote for people to attend
the precinct caucuses, who will then vote for people to attend the county
caucuses, who will then vote for people to attend the state caucuses. This way,
we the people get lots of opportunities to delegate actual candidate selection
to individuals who are progressively (or should I say conservatively) more
informed than us, and then the masses can happily live in ignorance. Such are
the luxuries of a republic.P.S. I believe China is a republic,
Your turn, Arizona.
Dear Al at 11:01 pm, the Democrats are irrelevant.Dear Not_Sacred at 10:38
pm, the Democrat Party is current presiding over 10% unemployment, huge
deficits, and your Senate Majority leader is about to meet the same fate as
Bennett. You cannot be serious.To all Bennett supporters, we fared okay
before Bennett and we will be fine after Bennett. New blood is good.
Some, indeed most, have a superficial knowledge of politics, history, economics
and particularly the general principles upon which this great nation was
founded. Now we find ourselves on the brink of a great abyss and gratefully a
majority of these party activist get that. They probably rejected Bennett
somewhat reluctantly but he flat got too cozy with the foolish and the evil that
now govern the nation. Bennett never really saw the light until he felt the heat
and his great error was to propose a HC bill that was little better than
Obama's. Ye that rue what happened today would have called the signers of The
Declaration, nuts, radicals,etc - of that I have no doubt. The less one knows,
the less one understands, the more apt you are to float in the mushy middle. I
for one am glad that the stout of heart and incisive of mind won the day in
1776. If you don't get it after the last two years - God help you - you never
There was no reliefFor Bailout Bob, the bankers'Most troubled asset.
@Charles - get educated - who could possible defend as fair and good a system
that disenfranchised our deploy military - can someone please address this and
tell me it is fair and right?The 18 year old kid who had to work because
the law does not mandate that employers allow their employees to attend the
caucus - can someone address this and tell me it is fair and right? Why is
there no mandated absentee ballots for the caucus system so that ALL CITIZENS
have the right to participate? Can someone explain to me how this system if
fair and right or even legal? Any municipal election that does not give ALL
CITIZENS the opportunity to vote has been declared illegal. Any state election
in any state that does not allow ALL CITIZENS to vote has been declared illegal.
Any primary election in any state that does not allow ALL CITIZENS to vote has
been declared illegal and yet we continue to not allow ALL CITIZENS to vote and
justify it because we "are involved and anyone who wants to can make the
sacrifice to go to their caucus and vote - it is simply not true!
Not_Scared | 10:38 p.m. May 8, 2010:"Thanks. We democrats are
looking better by the day!"Whose mirror are you looking in?
He is a good man and I didn't agree on everything. I hope and wish him well. we
need to get Term limits and no more career Senators.Its too easy for those Lobby
boys in ur pockets on bothsides of the isle...
At least Jake Gibson (a Fox News writer) gets it. He summed it up this way:"The opposition to Bennett is specific, and can't be chalked up solely
to a general anti-incumbency fervor. Neither of Utah's two Republican
congressmen are at risk of losing their seats, and Republican Gov. Gary Herbert
doesn't have any serious challengers.But Bennett's vote to bail out
Wall Street left many Republicans feeling he had become too much of a Washington
insider. He's also come under fire for co-sponsoring a bipartisan bill mandating
health insurance coverage and for aggressively pursuing earmarks."
I am just thrilled that Utah went ahead and got rid of him. Don't get me wrong.
Bob Bennett is not a bad guy. The problem is that he has developed the all too
common mindset that his Senate seat belongs to him. When that happens to
anybody, it is high time for them to go home. Plus, the people of Utah need
someone in there who is fresh for the fight.Bennett, you've done
your time. Go home and spend time with your wife and grandkids. Oh, and by all
means, be a gracious loser and back the Republican nominee.
The democrats have won! Not because of the failure of Bennett to get into a
primary, but because they have the republicans fighting each other. All you
have to do is read these comments. A few have been gracious and complimentary,
most have been filled with contempt and anger at fellow conservatives. I will wager that we are in for a mudslinging, vicious primary if what I
read from the commenters continues.Thank you Mike Richards for
finally showing some civility. I hope that it is not just because you won. To
now thank Bob Bennett for his service after the vicious and sometimes untrue
attacks you have been making lately against him sounds more like gloating than
civility. Would you have been so gracious had Bennett won? I hope so.
I listened to the "debate" between all four candidates on the Republican side
yesterday on KNRS. I can't decide which was the biggest buffoon - Lee or
Bridgewater. Neither could actually answer a question with specifics. Good
luck, Republicans with your angry "cut" rhetoric. I hope you are ready to take
your own medicine with those cuts start to have an effect on Utahns.
I thought he was a good man. I didn't agree on some views but its time for a
change. Now its for the Senate to have Term limits. No more Career boys. I'm
sick of loyal lobbiest on both sides of the isle...
Thanks. We democrats are looking better by the day!
Momentum to Tim Bridgewater. He was great today. He connected. He
outpolled Mike Lee, the frontrunner going into the convention, and Lee was lucky
to garner enough support after three rounds of voting to finish a distant second
and barely make the primary. Senator Bennett deserves the thanks of
all Utahns. He has served us well. He did the best he knew. His
biggest miscalculation: He couldn't read the tea leaves and step aside
gracefully.Biggest misinterpretation: These were mainstream party
faithfuls who ousted Bennett, not the wild-eyed radical wing nuts the media
would have you believe. The message was simple: Bring on the next
generation.Maybe Orrin will be wiser than Bob and step aside on his
own. The greeting for Orrin today was decidedly cool and detached.
I find it hilarious that because I believe in fiscal conservatism and getting
government spending under control, this somehow makes me an uber crazy right
wing racist lunatic. Wow, who'da thunk? I sure don't feel like a rabid crazy
person. In fact, I feel pretty normal, and if a desire to reign in our
government spending somehow makes me Satan's spawn, well . . . that just baffles
me. But that is what I keep being told by anyone who disagrees with cutting
Bennett loose, or anyone who thinks bigger and bigger government is the cure to
all that ails us.I politely disagree.Kudos to the
delegates who sent a message today, and chose to send more fiscally conservative
candidates to a primary. Bennett may technically be a conservative, but he is a
huge spender, and that is what people rejected today.I predict that
a substantial majority of Utahns agree with me, and not with the vocal minority
who are the true crazies of the blogosphere.
The voice of "We The People" of Utah has spoken, and Senator Bennett is retired.
We will risk the Seniority System and the Earmark entitlements, to elect a Man
of Principle and Integrity, either Tim Bridgewater or Mike Lee. We hope the rest
of the Country sheds corruption and does the same. Any who accept less, accept
corruption. Change starts now, and Utah will start it. The Second American
Revolution begins after Scott Brown started it.
Caucus system. It wasn't a problem for the last 18 years, or Hatch's 30+ years.
Its only a problem when the establishment candidate doesn't win. Throw in that
the establishment candidate wins most of them, you have no reasion to fear.And to all of my moderate, government is the answer to all the worlds
problems, the dust will settle by 2012 and you will get Hatch for 40 years. What is a moderate anyway? What we are seeing is that they really don't
believe in anything, other than being liked by the greatest number of people.
For decades we have watched the Democrats encroach on freedoms and increase
spending. Moderates always tried to split the baby. If the Dems wanted to raise
some tax by X% moderates fight to cut it in half and consider it a victory. The
Dems use moderates like Stalin's "Useful idiots." They know you will split every
issue so they are patient, knowing that over time you will implement the entire
Communist Manifesto for them.Seriously, what's a moderate? What do
you believe in? What do you stand for? Other than giving the Liberals half
No sir E "BOB"!!! Clean out your office buddy, we are sick of CAREER
POLITICIANS! Hey Hatch, if you actually read your own State Papers, "YOU ARE
NEXT!" Clean out every incumbent who has been in office more than 2 terms!!!
It's that simple, we'll fix this country the right way, getting rid of all those
in Washington until the representatives bring us back to our Roots! See you
I ran for delegate in my precinct because I have seen in the past that those
involved are to the extreme right. I am conservative, but I guess more moderate
than many delegates. I would encourage any one who feels that the far right is
taking over the party to get involved in the party and attend your caucus
meetings and bring your friends, so that we can have more balance within the
Utah Republican Party and among the delegates. That is what I did, and while my
voice lost this time, it only takes a hundred or so other delegates like me to
make a difference. I studied all of the candidates---spending hours reading,
attending events and listening to town hall meetings. There were qualities I
liked about all of the candidates, but none of them had the knowledge and
solutions that I saw from Bennett---especially on entitlement reform. He is a
good man and I am sorry that he was not given the opportunity to serve for
another term. His experience and position would have been a blessing for Utah.
It will be interesting to see what happens in the next few years.
What can I say - I am glad I moved out of Utah. Good luck with your choices.
'It just goes to show that one can't even be conservative in Utah, he must be
rabid. So sad.' - 9:40 a.m. Couger Blue, well said!
Though I disagreed on many points with Bennett, I wish him the best in the
Now send Hatch down the road.
Out with the compromisers of principles, the back slapping politicians and those
that vote like weather vanes! The American people will always vote with the
right wing and against socialists, communists and the left wing.
oh the complaining about the caucus system...whaaaaSeriously, who is
disenfranchised? I was voted in as a delegate but wasn't able to make the
meeting.For all you Faux 'moderate' Republicans who bemoan
conservatives, please post a detailed analysis of what makes you a moderate and
those who you decry as extreme, extreme!Let's see the list of
positions for each category!Bob was released from his calling with a
vote of thanks.Let's move on Utah to analyze Lee and Bridgewater and
vote for the best candidate.ps, the DNews has run a full-court press
all week bemoaning the caucus system and how it disenfranchises people.Well, given that stance, let's just get rid of Congress and have every vote on
every issue decided by the people. After all, many fools on these pages believe
we live in a democracy and not a representative republic....It's time to wake up
from your nap people and get educated...
Great news. No more amnesty votes from Utah for illegal aliens. Now we need to
continue the trend and get rid of all the amnesty hacks nationwide and start
enforcing the law, fining employers, and sending them all HOME! Good riddance.
It's too bad that a bunch of right-wing rhetoric has booted Bennett from office.
He's a solid guy doing a bunch of good in Washington. These tea party movements
just killed him...
The caucus process was open to all who wanted to participate. The
delegates are regular Moms, Dads, workers, and students. They performed their
authorized duty and the "Voice of the People" has spoken.
To the 7:10pm poster:You asked for more information on the value of
being a Moderate and the definitive definitions which separate them from
Extremists.I would recommend a few sources.1st - Look at
the website of the organization called "centermovement." This site brings
together a variety of Centrist and Moderate sources.2nd - I have
published a series of essays on the subject. Feel visit the archives of my site,
entitled "Moderate Thinking."
Hatch, you are next. Buh Bye
Why is it that those who are in government think that nobody else understands
the issues? Bennett (and his supporters) badly misread the political climate.
Those of us who were against him are not a bunch of 'right wing, conservative,
extremist (add your favorite put down here.) We are people who don't usually
get this politically involved. We are people who are usually okay with the
weaknesses of our leaders and will give them a pass. But this guy lost his way.
And for those of you who think we are going to miss his experience and cannot
afford a freshman senator, well, we were going to have to replace him sometime.
He's 76. Call it a career and help the new Senator, who ever it might be.
Good riddance Bennett! Charlie Crist in Florida is next! Crist has taken the
coward, sore loser route and running as Independent. But the revolution is just
"No new taxes". The three words create the biggest lie of the current parties.
Never in the history of the US has the Country fought a SINGLE war and not
passed on the cost of that combat to its CURRENT population. The only ones that
are paying the cost of our current wars are members of the Armed Forces (and
their families), China and all of our children. For the most part, the US
Citizen sees no cost of these wars.The media doesn't even report the
supplemental funding for Iraq and OEF and they are $100 BILLION every 4-6 months
(China resourced). This was supported by 8 years of Republican majority. The
last 4 years (Republican AND Democratic) have been even worse.I
challenge the candidates to DEMAND NEW TAXES FOR NEW SERVICES. If they support
funding TWO WARS MAKE THE CURRENT POPULATION PAY FOR THEM. IF THEY WANT TO
PROVIDE HEALTHCARE TELL THE U.S. POPULATION HOW MUCH IT WILL COST? I propose that candidates be honest. "No new taxes", is the biggest lie of
the current generation of politicians. The truthful comment should be, "We will
pass all the costs on to your kids."
Thank you Senator Bennett for your efforts in the Senate...I appreciate your
service. I think you just got caught in the incumbent trap...thinking we
couldn't do without you. I only wrote one letter to your office and didn't get
any response. I called your office twice and was treated very rudely each time
and I was just encouraging you to stand firm on your conservative
values....People don't appreciate arrogant politicians.
Bennett's support of illegal immigrants costs him dearly. The people do not want
amnesty; they want the border secured! Senator Bennett also was too much of an
establishment senator, and he did not loudly proclaim the wrongs of the Obama
agenda. They only way we can express our disgust with Washingotn is to vote out
incumbents. Hopefully many more nationwide in November!
Uh, Rod? Even in Michigan it's true that the system is set up so that only one
senator at a time faces re-election battles. Our senior Senator is not up for
re-election just now, but thanks for dropping by.
Ok. Now that the Parties have narrowed down their potential candidates (without
a single deployed military vote) here are my questions:Both claim to
want a balanced budget. How are they going to support a balanced budget? Neither claim to support a tax increase that must mean that they want to
reduce services. The only other way would be to reduce services. What
services? The only services that can save the U.S. Government REAL money is
slash Defense or Social Security. What do they support and will they support
killing Hill AFB, and the other smaller Utah bases? Who can
convince 60 other Senators to risk their reelection chances to support slashing
SS?I will place odds that in 6 years the winner of the General
Election will have done nothing meaningful to stop the practice of making our
unborn children pay for our Government.
What is wrong with Utah?You let your Good Senator go, Your Bad senator
goes on You should of booted Hatch, not Bennett. Shame on Utah!
Leave it to Utah to create a system where 3500 voters get to decide who goes to
the Senate while hundreds of thousands are disenfranchised. What is horribly
ironic is that the people who control this pathetically unconstitutional system
are the same ones always screaming about how important the constitution is to
them. Apparently, that's only true when it suits them. Hypocritical and very,
Utah is a state with many voices. Unfortunately, only one type of voice is
represented. Only one group has the say. Representatives are there to represent
all of us, even those of a differing political party or persuasion. Some here
say that the people of Utah are now being represented? The only question I have
is, which ones. Every person is entitled to have a voice, and that is not
possible in this state. While I did not always agree with Senator
Bennett, at least I felt he tried to represent all of us. Just because someone
belongs to the dominant party of this state does not make him or her God or
all-knowing. Perhaps all powerful, but we all know that absolute power corrupts
absolutely, and that is happening as we speak.This is a sad day for
all of Utah and sets us back generations.
Utah's Senator Bennett was thrown out as the Republican's party's choice for
senator this upcoming Nov. He said about his voting record"Looking back on them,
with one or two very minor exceptions, I wouldn't have cast any of them any
differently even if I had known at the time they were going to cost me my
career." And that is why he got canned. He didn't want to REPRESENT the people.
Bennett should run as an Independent. We moderate Republicans should protest
this far-right vote by our delegates by not showing up for the Republican
Poor BoB...his ol' buddy Brother Romney could not save his tough old political
hide in the end, and now it's time to get his office packed up back in
Washington and head home back to Utah.
Hatch, you're next.
I'm going to write in Bennett. I hope he considers running a write in campaign.
Let's show the conventions what the voters want.
If you read Bridgewater's or Lee's talking points, they sound very similar to
Bennett's. What people forget is that as soon as a politician hit Washington,
their stances begin changing. Heck, it happened with Obama, and I'm upset about
that as a liberal. Bridgewater or Lee will fall victim to the same
groupthink that occurs in Washington should they win. Nothing will change except
that our Republican senator will have even less power than Bennett has had.It says something remarkable when someone like Bennett is considered
"too moderate" for Utah. Yikes. Maybe it is time to move.
Wow, as a proudly liberal observer I am struggling to understand why the GOP
wold oust a man who has voted on the conservative side of the aisle 88% of the
time. He is not conservative enough???The polarization that the
tea-partiers and ultra-right conservatives advocate do not leave any room for
political discourse and COMPROMISE. That is not liberty, that is closer to
fascism than anything else. It's only going to get uglier in the political
so the nutcases won and for the first time in my voting life I will cast a vote
for Democrat this fall. It doesn't matter who the Republicans put on the ballot
he won't get my vote. The delagates actions today prove that rhetoric matters to
them far more than actions. After the elections the Democrats will still control
both the Senate and the House. Net result for Utah will be a new Senator with
ZERO clout and Zero ability to get anything done for Utah. Uathns for Utah is
what the election is truly about.
By the way, this independent Utahn will now vote for Sam Granato for Senate.
The Utah GOP (mainly the delegates) have gone looney and off the deep right
end...and Bennett was a ranking member of the Appropriations committee. if
Bennett were to run as a write-in, he could take votes away from the GOP
candidate and would have a shot at winning since the VOTERS in this great state
still like him. (He can't file as an Independent cuz it's too late to file.)
No good deed goes unpunished
STAND IN LINE AND THANK HIM? For what??! Bankrupting the country with his
bailout vote? I'll thank him for the carts he'll be handing me at WALMART.
Why are so many conservative Utahns focused on political views that by most
measures are considered to be extreme? Might all of this chest beating over the
Constitution, the law and an impending socialist world order be just a
self-serving pretext? Certainly it is a type of mythology that largely serves to
rationalize the thinking of those who for whatever reason are drawn to black and
white interpretations and conspiratorial intrigue. We see it in an exaggerated
rejection of the government of President Obama. And closer to home it serves as
justification for the demonization of undocumented immigrants. Under the guise
of moral outrage extremism encourages intolerance and vengeance, emotions that
feed on themselves to the detriment of everyone. It is often a precursor of
ruinous group behavior that can later bring regret. So at odds with what we
like to think of as the American way, conservative extremism, in my view, is the
problem rather than any kind of solution.Mark my words, when
extremists rule the people suffer. Shame on Utah.
There is ZERO chance of the Democrat winning! Zero! A Democrat has a better shot
of winning in Provo then state-wide. Who ever gets this nomination is the next
US Senator from Utah. Period.I do find many comments lamenting the
loss of Bob and how the GOP is crazy interesting. Many of these voices are the
same ones who moaned the 6 years of Bush with GOP control of the House and
Senate. Do you not understand that Bob Bennett was a complete rubber stamp for
every crazy idea George W Bush ever had. If George Bush wanted it, Bob Bennett
would fight to make it happen. In those 6 years I can think of only one vote
where Bob defied "W." One!You whined about the George Bush years and
now shed tears of the very Senator who enabled them. It doesn't make sense.
They are giving up a ranking member of the Senate Appropriations Committee in
order to replace him with a freshman Senator. Talk about short-sighted!
Mr. Bennett has served Utah long and well. His eighteen years in the Senate
have been years of service to the State of Utah and to the people of Utah.Every republican should stand in line to thank him for what he has done
and for being an honest man at a time and in a place where honesty and personal
integrity are hard to find.Best of luck to him and to his staff.Thanks, Bob, for your service.
"The GOP imploding from within. These fools guaranteed his Democrat opponent the
victory.."you got that right...
It's entertaining to see so many who supported Bennett posting comments about
the "out of touch, rabid, fools, extremist, etc." people who supported someone
else. Because apparently, it's not possible to disagree with Bennett and be a
normal, sane person. Get a grip, people.
The GOP imploding from within. These fools guaranteed his Democrat opponent the
Now what is it again specifically that we don't like about Bennet? All I saw was
someone drew blood and the hyenas piled on.
When 4 candidates were interviewed on the radio last week Bennett had the worst
responses to every question. He thought just because he has been there forever
he can just keep going.
18 years and nothing to show for it other then real soft hands. This guy had to
go the long years of talking about what shoulda, coulda, woulda been he Bob,
compromised with the left and now is on the out side looking in.I
hope the new senator will learn from Bob's folly and stick to the core values of
conservatism and not get caught up with the suductive power of self importance
as a US senator. Bob infated EGO's will always lead to distruction.
That's too bad. I liked Bennett's record. What is it with Utah's ultra
right-wing rabid republicans? Or at least the delegates? Most Utah voters
Oh My Gosh!!! This is downright scary.Who is controlling this
state?? Definitely not the people!!
Funny thing. I don't remember Bennett or any of his supporters complaining
about the delegate system the last 18 years that Bennett has been in office.
What a pathetic excuse. Bennett lost because of his stands on the issues.
Period. Lee or Bridgewater will be AWESOME!!!
I am a life-long Republican who will be voting for Granato. The GOP has become
the home for the loonies who are out of touch with reality.
He has already remained in office longer than he promised - two terms and he
stayed three. What this nation and state needs is term limits. Then we can
avoid so much of the pork barrel projects for which the taxpayers have to
continually pay. Let's throw out all the rascals
If my delegate was one of the fools who ousted Bennett today I'm going to pull
my hair out. Nice job Utah GOP. Good freaking grief!
I'm now trying to decide whether Bridgeater or Lee would be worse. This is NOT
good for Utah.
As a moderate Republican, I am very sad with today's happenings, although no one
can be surprised given the extreme nature of the caucus delegates. Maybe the
best thing to come out of this is to show how ridiculous the caucus system is in
Utah. I went to my Republican caucus meeting and I thought an Eagle Forum
meeting was taking place. I will not vote for Lee or Bridgewater. I will
either write in Bennett or vote for Granato.
While Bennett cannot run as an independent he is talking about trying a write-in
campaign. Why can't he just face reality that his years of service are over.
Enjoy retirement Bob, you probably don't have too many years left so you should
spent the time with your family.
Let go of the ring, Gollum. Just let it go.
Ridding the senate of Bennett and this fear driven conservative extremism that
has no basis in fact will help keep Obama in office and saving America from the
damage caused by conservatives.
To all those who think he'll declare as an independent: Not possible in Utah.
The J. Bracken Lee law. Utah law bans a candidate from being
certified on the ballot as an independent after he already has been certified as
a candidate by a political party. So, because Bennett filed for re-election as a
Republican, he couldn't refile as an independent and be put on the ballotWelcome to Utah!
Bennett has been a fairly good Senator. But I think it's time to give somebody
else a chance now. I often vote against incumbents because I think it's too
easy for them to get accustomed to spending other people's money on things that
the people would not want if they had a direct say. Let's get some fresh blood
in there. Now is as good a time as any. I think any of the Republican
candidates would have worked out well for Utah. We really should be spending our
money and energy on is convincing people outside the state to get rid of the
leftists who are now in charge of the gigantic and cancerous federal government.
I do expect Bennett to run as independent if he gets bounced today. By doing
so, he actually brings in the possibility of a Dem being elected. But Bennett
does not care - it's all about Bob. That's the way these long term politicians
are. All about them. BTW, I went to the caucus meeting. yes,
they are corny, but they work. My only frustration was that our caucus elected
representatives that did not know who the candidates were. But that's the
world we live in.
Delegates are fickle and offend easily. That being said it looks like a Primary
between Lee and Bridgewater. If that happens I give the edge to Bridgewater.In any case, I'm holding me breath that both "Bailout" Bob Bennett and
Jim Matheson are gone!The blog and twitter nation has some reports
that Matheson may not receive 40% of the Democratic delegates. If so, he's gone
What would have happened if we had followed the Limbaughian view and we had let
our largest banks fail? No one would be able to buy a car without having the
cash to pay for it. Read your history and see what happened when banks failed in
the thirties. There was twenty-five percent unemployment.
David - even if everyone wanted to go to the caucus and vote they couldn't -
that is the fatal flaw. That is why it is faulty because it does not allow for
absentee balloting - if you can't make it you are barred from voting. That, my
friend, should be illegal.
Bennett needs to be sent home. I will vote for the Republican Candidate, but I
hope it's not Bennett. He DOES NOT represent the voice of the people in Utah.
Send him home and let's give one of the other Republicans a chance. Bennett has
failed miserably and needs to go home!!!
So sad?!?!How do you intend to pay for this massive spending? The
debt is approaching $12 trillion. The much bigger bite is all of the promises
that politicians like Bob Bennett have made. Those promises add up to
approaching $110 trillion!How are you going to pay for that?And this is non-discretionary spending. That means it just flat out is
paid for. At this point we are going to be borrowing money for generations to
come with no end in sight. Are you happy for this? Is this how you run your
household? Your business? Not even the State of Utah is run this way. In fact,
only a few states are so pathetic, like California and New York. They have lost
their ability to pay for the promises. California has been issuing IOUs to
citizens for quite some time now.Are you paying attention? Or do you
join the club where debt doesn't matter?Oh vey!"Bailout"
Bob Bennett has got to go!
I believe his support of the Illegals over American citizens has cost him a lot
more than he ever thought it would!
A little civility might be in order. Phony ads, dumb sponsors and plain old
misinformation doesn't help. Whoever is selected must remember that Utah is the
home of the Rocket Motor industry and this industry must be preserved. If it
goes so does our national strength. Obama wants to kill it and make all the
flower children happy.
I am sorry that Utah is faced with the same problem we have here in Arizona, a
senator who will not go away. Senator McCain is so full of himself he feel that
he is "anointed" to lead this state and his war chest may prove him correct. The
big money in this state will probably put him back in power where he will remain
until he finally dies of old age in Washington, he is going to be buried with
full homors in Arlington as a "national war hero". A hero indeed, my big toe is
more of a hero...
re: HomersYour last comment "I will consider any elected official
that comes out of the caucus system as illegitimate until the problems are
fixed" sounds similar to the sore losers of African nations...3rd world
countries.The caucus system works well. Those who are interested
will go to their precinct meetings and vote for delegates who represent them.
It is not any fault of those who attend that not all do so. The
caucus system allows special interest groups to hijack the convention, but only
because there is such a poor attendance and large apathy in America for
elections.A better solution (than eliminating caucuses) would be to
have greater turnout at the caucuses.
Bennett as independent!
Word's out that if Bennett loses today he will declare as an independent
candidate for Senate on Monday.
"We can't just push back the Obama agenda, we must destroy it." Let's return to
the Bush years. The facts measured numerically are that 28% won't
win you a thing. You will whine and pout as Obama is reelected. Your extremism
looks ugly to thinking Americans.You got your taxes cut only to
whine about higher taxes. You claimed Obama was from outside the US. This was
disproven making conservatives look stupid. Obama was going to take your guns.
That was another miss that was way off target. By your fruit.
mt_cicero: we do live in a constitutional republic and the supreme court has
repeatedly ruled that, constitutionally, we are required to honor the premise of
one person one vote - the caucus system does harm to that principle and should
be struck down as unconstitutional as currently operated. Now if the parties
would make some provisions to enfranchise all those who are disenfranchised by
the caucus system if could then go forward as constitutional. I find it
fascinating that all these "constitution lovers" seem willing to ignore the
faults of the caucus system in order to control the power of those "who show
up." If you want me to cite numerous examples of how the caucus violates one
person one vote I will give them to you as well as cite supreme court decisions
that uphold the principle. This is a total shame and I will consider any
elected official that comes out of the caucus system as illegitimate until the
problems are fixed.
It's sad to see what's happening in both parties lately. The Utah political
system is messed up. Why do the extreme minorities within each party have so
much influence over who gets nominated. I mean does anybody with half a brain
really believe that if elected, Mike Lee would end entitlement programs? Of
course not, but if he says that he can court the extreme right wing.
Cut taxes. Cut earmarks. Cut waste. Cut Bennett
re:NeilT We live in a Constitutional Republic, not a democracy. We elect
representatives to study issues and vote. That's the premise of the caucus
system...we elect representatives to study candidates, and party governance and
vote.re: CougarBlue When we become subjected to cynicism and anger,
we become the easiest people to be manipulated. Because we'll believe the worst
about anyone and succumb to the most specious of arguments.re:
freedomworks Are system is set up so we get what we deserve. If the delegates
bounce Bob Bennett, then you're correct, that's freedom baby. That does not mean
however that Senator Bennett deserves to be bounced. Just that we don't deserve
Unfortunately, Bennett is the best candidate at this time. Too bad it isn't
Hatch in his place, he needs to go. At least Bennett works for solutions rather
than the party purity. The country comes first, not the republican party.
Bob Bennett will likely end his political career today. What we need however, is
a credible candidate because the Democrats will come full steam this November.
The second American Revolution begins today in Utah. We can't just push back the
Obama agenda, we must destroy it.
The freedom-loving electorate in Utah has finally woken up and all you guys can
do is criticize. Interesting.
The caucus system stinks to high heaven. A few anti government ideologes will
decide our next senator. Shame Shame Shame on Utah. Whatever happened to
democracy. This is not democracy.
The CLUB FOR GROWTH. How rotten! While Utah's legislators rail loudly against
any outside influence, this outside group that supports corporate greed comes in
and starts meddling in something that should be left entirely to Utah's
voters.This is just a small sample of the evils opened by the recent
Supreme Court decision that calls corporations "persons" entitled to "free
speech." (Which is only free if you're wealthy enough to buy it.)Disgusting!
This must be a circus side show to end all side shows. It just goes to show
that one can't even be conservative in Utah, he must be rabid. So sad.
That one song comes to mind:Na, na, na, na na...hey,