Poor Spazz fans
Way to Lakers!!!!
I was hoping it was only halftime, then Artest and the Fakers could hit another
WHere are the comments from the SPAZZ fans? You guys are silencing more and more
each day. You guys are a bunch of sellouts.
to Jer and "his Sloanaholics"Thanks to all of you for
accepting a defense that gives up one 3 after another to the same people and you
refuse to make adjustments.Thanks to all of you for not
putting Fes in for most of the night when he played well while he was in. Of
course the Lakers get every offensive rebound.Much of
tonight, not this series but tonight is on Sloan and the "sloanaholics"it is reasons for tonight (i called a loss beforehand 122-115) why Jerry will
never win a championship.I have utter dislike for "jer and the
majority of his Sloanaholics"Bugoff, Jazzsmack, Jazz Cop, and
my association--we were right againThe sheep were not
THe point guard is irrelevant, it's team game, and
lakers are a better team,but more importantly you have to have
a tall guard who can shoot and make things happen, whether his nane
is magic or ainge, dumas or drexler, or wade or manu, or kobe or hamilton, or
allen or toney, without quality big guard who can shoot and
make things happen,and a SYSTEM to take advatage of that, you will never win a championship,the closest the
jazz came is when they had a bad knees older horny, but he was just an after
thought in the systemwhen they didn't have horny,it
was futile trying to get ball to stockton or malone in the fourth quarter, and they often ended up depending on nobodies like benoit or someone
one else to "MAKE" things happen,perhaps, it is the system,
that is why no such player will come to utah. and if slaon and his
system is so great and liked,then why have so many guards chosen
to leave, or were let go, or traded away? Dwill sees only
willing to stay as long he a featured part of the system.
Re Jody Genessy: Your wording is confusing, because I also felt like you were
say that the Lakers point guards were superior. I even read the article to my
wife to get her opinion and she agreed that the way you worded your article,
didn't suggest that DWill was the best, to me you were saying that LA's point
guards were superior.
It's time to push the ball up the floor and use our youth advantage to wear the
older Lakers down. The altitude is in our favor as well. We have looked our best
this year when we run and push the ball ahead of the defense. The 3 M,s all are
good in transition. D Will is more effective when we push it too. I wish he
would do it more. Kirilenko is at his best in the run game when he is healthy. I
doubt he can do alot of running and jumping the first time on the floor coming
back from injury.
Bugoff/many other people here criticize like we are underachieving. We are
not.With Fesenko, Miles, and Matthews we have already over-achieved
by getting this far. We overachieved by getting as close as we did at the end
of the 1st 2 games in L.A.Deron is great and Boozer is good. The
Lakers have all their big tall starters and we have been missing two of our
starters. The Lakers are the REIGNING CHAMPIONS for a reason. Duh.Its easy to sit back and criticize lack of rebounding and Sloans system yada
yada. The fact remains we have several players that are VERY young in terms of
NBA experience playing big minutes and it demonstrates IGNORANT FANTASY by many
of the posters here to act like we "should" be beating the Lakers.IT
NEVER HAPPENS in the NBA. NEVER. That is, young inexperienced players beating
veterans in a 7 game series.Winning the Denver series and whatever
we end up winning in this series is nothing but a CREDIT to Deron, Booz, Millsap
and decent efforts by "some" role players in combination with SLOANS SYSTEM.
The Jazz will lose if individual players think they can score on their own. The
Jazz won't win unless they move the ball and get open shots and open layups.
Forcing the ball into traffic is NOT the way to beat the Lakers. So I hope
Deron errs more on the side of sticking with the team concept instead of
Maybe this explains why Price has been effective at cutting into the Laker leads
in Games 1 & 2 - because he is on the floor so much less than DWill, he is more
willing to free-lance and just attack-attack-attack! Let's hope DWill can make
To those of you complaining about Sloan- I'm not a big Sloan fan...I think he
cost us a couple of championships by using his set substitution pattern with
Stockton even in the finals - we needed to run Stock until he dropped, which
would have been never.That being said, weak screens and not running
hard are NOT his fault, nor is not running the break. If you have been a Jazz
fan for long, you will know we LOVE to break, but when a team's shooting 80% in
a quarter and over 50% for the game, you don't get many chances.I'll
say again that Deron needs to shoot the 18 foot jumper that is open early on in
the offense. Whenever he came to the key fast, it was open, but he passed it up
numerous times in games 1 and 2, trying to keep to the offense. If he does
"freelance", I'm hoping it's by shooting that shot, and then the hole will open
up.Again, I'm not a big Sloan guy, but there's something to be said
for a team that KNOWS who's in charge!
I'll say it again...d-will HAS to shoot that angle 18 footer.....when he bring
sit up in the 1/2 court, it was open numerous times early, but he wasn't even
looking for it. if he pulls the trigger on that 4 or 5 times, the lane will
open up more, and they may even try to trap earlier....it's the shot he was
KILLING denver with, and after they started running out at him, he got to the
hole....we'll see, i think he has a great game tonight...sending
good vibes to the jazz from LA!!
Hey Jody, what do you think? Is Sloan slow to make the adjustments? Sure he
has had success, but it has not worked. They are bigger, but it seems Williams
proposal of a more upbeat, faster pace is the real answer.
Wow, Deron Williams is the only good PG on Utah.Lakers have Fisher,
Brown, Farmar, 3 good PGs is better than one.
Todd, the article clearly states that nobody would argue that the Lakers point
guards are better, not the reverse. Translation: Deron Williams is better than
Derek Fisher, Jordan Farmar and Shannon Brown.
Re bugoff: I agree with a lot of what you are saying, I have said for years that
Sloan needs to make adjustments. All year I have been crying that Fes & KK need
to get PT so they can develop, so we can compete with LA or other long, tall,
athletic teams. Sloan wants to maintain that they just need to execute better,
that isn't the problem with LA. The Jazz have actually executed pretty good, but
LA's bigs know what is coming and with their length they block or alter shots to
the extend it really disrupts our offense. The fact that Fes & KK haven't been
developed means Sloan needs to adjust how he is going to attack or what his
offensive approach will be. Pushing the ball is critical and making outside
shots is necessary also. Using the 3 pt shot as a weapon in the offense is
something I think should be implemented but Sloan has always wanted 3's as a
last resort. Popovich and SA have used the 3 to kill us many times and when you
are outmanned on the inside you need to adjust, make the 3apartof our offense.
I was looking at the picture wondering if that is one of those phantom call
against Kobe that keep being spurted out by whining jazz fans.
Odom is 6'10" and can be attacked and forced to give the ball up.The
Key point is simple. For many years the Jazz as an organization have done
nothing to match up with LA. They have not even tried to make changes that would
help against LA. All we ever get is "try harder" or "execute
better". The point is that harder is not better. If it is hard you are doing it
wrong. Try designing a team that fixes the Jazz weaknesses and is
capable of attacking theirs. I obviously am talking long run now and
not about this particular game. The weaknesses against LA have been
there for years. Many of the other Western Conf teams have made changes or are
trying to make changes. Next year PHO, POR, OKC, HOU, and DAL will
be better. SA and DEN will adjust. LA will be LA. Trying harder for 82 games is
not going to cut it. Smarter behavior by the whole organization is
needed. The Jazz are very slow to address problems as long as they make the
playoffs. This last year they have started to be more proactive.
Ziggy He can preach all he wants. What I care about is the results
and I have seen the Jazz either walk the ball up the court or play a slow half
court offense in hundreds of games. Sometimes they will run. In the
DEN series they won when they speed up the pace. Now I do tend to
agree with 1tobeamup to an extent. The Jazz have not done a good job on the
screens. However, that does not change the fact that LA knows what is coming and
is waiting on it. The Jazz can't over power LA. Sloan has tried that
for years and it works on weaker teams and especially on Eastern Conf teams who
play the Jazz less. There has to be some modifications for the big
strong Western Conf playoff teams. Sloan people do not want to hear
it but Sloan's unwillingness to innovate is a major problem. The
whole organization suffers from continuity bias.I am not talking
about change for change sake. I am talking about fixing weaknesses that have
been maintained for years. Sloan has got as much as he is going to
get without fixing weaknesses.
It would be nice if Korver would get hot and start hitting from outside, but I
think it would be even better if CJ would get hot from 3, as long as he doesn't
forget to drive to the hole as well. CJ, Mathews and DWill need to hit from 3
and we can open up the middle. Kover isn't in the game as much and his D is
suspect. I'm not saying we don't need Korver to hit his 3's, I just think it
would be even more advantageous to have CJ,Mathews and DWill hot from 3. They
are in the game more and their D is better. I don't know what to expect
from AK, I hope he plays with a lot of energy and blocks several shots and makes
great passes, like he is capable of doing.Fes needs to play smart, clog
the middle, intimidate and be aggressive on the boards. When he does get the
ball he needs to be patient and not rush or hurry things. I hope Sloan doesn't
think AK can take all of Fes or Kk's minutes. We need their size.
Case in point from D-Will - "I don't think we've executed extremely well. We
haven't screened well at all," he added. "So if they know a play and we're not
running it hard, it makes things more difficult."
Bugoff must have recently learned to read, now he should watch the playoffs and
enjoy them. Explaining that we need more 3's is like saying we need Boozer and
Millsap to grow another 10 inches.Our designated 3 shooter Korver
went 1 for 12 in two games of the Denver series. How smart is it to keep giving
him the ball?Rushing Derek Fisher bringing the ball down the court
is not going to be helpful. If you watch the Lakers you will note that Odom
often acts as point guard and dribbles the length of the floor.Keeping Kobe pushed away from the rim and keeping their bigs out of our paint
and hoping to get some home court calls is what will help the Jazz.
Bugoff ... I beg to differ and I think D-Will does too. The Jazz offense CAN
beat any team WHEN the screens are set hard - and that's on the player's, not
Bigoff, I agree with your comment. Especially the part about D-Will needing
"some" help with Kobe. I think he needs a lot of help actually. Look at the
photo on this article, he is wrapped around Kobe's arm like a little kid.
We have some good shooters, during the games at L.A. they had pretty good looks
to shoot, because they were packing the paint, they should do what Phx is doing,
running the floor and shoot, if Korver comes with a hot hand, and he hasn't
being that hot hand all over the play offs, he will be able to open up some
space for our big guys.AK will help D-Will to push the ball, he will
create a different looks to our big guys. And if we can just get a little help
from our bigs ( KK and Fes ) rebounding we should be fine, but they need to play
a bigger roll on the next games at home.We can win at home and go back 2-2
to L.A. with AK back will be a total new series. Waiting for it!Let's go Jazz Go!!
You mean "freewheel," right? Freelance means you're a "free lance," aka willing
to fight/work for whomever.
Jerry and the team - It's a shame Deron has to discuss this with the press. He
needs to do it, Sloan hasn't had the success he imagines against Phil, and if
Stockton (RIP) had changed his game just a little more like DWill is talking
here - we would have a couple of banners in the "your name here" Building. Be
smart - and hope the Korver is on.
Bugoff, you prattle on like you actually believe you know what you're talking
about. First, we get a longwinded diatribe about how Sloan doesn't know what
he's doing (and you, of course, do). Then, you tell us all the things they
should do - which just so happen to be the same things Sloan has been preaching
for 20 years - point guards push the ball up the court, wings taking good shots
(in the flow of the offense, so rebounders are in position), slide DWill to the
2 at times and go with a two-point guard look. Good job of stating the obvious.
The most telling comment in this article is the idea that the Western Conf
playoff teams know the Jazz system. They know what is coming and they can stop
it. The weakness in rebounding has been there for years. It should
have been fixed long before now. The lack of outside shooting/3s
which allow the paint packing is another weakness that has been there before
Korver. There still is not enough outside shooting. The Jazz do not
shoot enough 3s. They shoot a good percentage. The Sloan philosophy of getting
more efficiency by shooting closer to the basket is conditional upon spreading
the floor. As used by Sloan it is outdated and flawed. It causes the paint
packing. They have to use the 3 as a weapon to open up the floor
then the Sloan system will work like it did in Jan-Mar. DWill should
not have to make adjustments in plays on the fly (rebounders will not be in
place). New plays is a coaches job. Gentry runs D' Antoni's system
better. There is someone (Horney or Stockton) who can update and run the Sloan
system much better. Just fix the obvious weaknesses and win.
Article says Laker Points better than Jazz?Do not think so....I have
been very consistent in my comments we have the 3 best points in the league and
I would hope all 3 are here next season in the same roles...
When we pay half court it allows them to set their defense. I don't think the
usual pass inside first, and find someone cutting to the basket, etc. works well
against the Lakers. I think we should try and run against them, constantly
change up the pace of the game, so they are always on their heels. It's kind of
what the Suns have been doing. The key is to out run the bigs down the court.
DWill/Price needs to attack Fish, Farmer and Brown as they bring the ball up. If
they can alter the flow of the triangle and force LA to pass the ball to Artest
(ball glue) or some other avenue that is not preferred they can disrupt the
triangle to some extent.The Utah wings have to shoot and hit. Taking
good shots in very important. LA is a very good defensive team. BUT if Utah
pushes the ball they can get good shots before the defense sets. DWill needs some help at point. Maybe AK can help a little? His passing would
take pressure off of DWill and get him open for shots.
DWill knows the Sloan system is not going to work against the Lakers. It has not
worked since they got Gasol. He knows he is going to have to open up
the floor and once it is open he can then slash. Fish and the LA PGs
are the biggest weakness on the LA team. Attack and destroy that weakness and
you disrupt the Lakers and negates some of their height. This
article is the best news I have heard in a while. At least DWill understands
what has to happen to have a shot. The Sloan system is futile
against the packed paint of the tall LA set D. Ramming into it is a stupid
approach which has been tried and failed for how many games? Playing
harder is not going to make any difference. Playing smarter will win.