Comments about ‘Poll shows majority of Utah GOP delegates support tea party movement’

Thanks for Picking Larry Jensen as someone to represent a tea party / states rights / 9-12 movement. Nice guy Larry.

Wait a second -- could somebody explain to me how this guy can say in one breath that the Tea Party is about states rights, small government, and fiscal responsibility, and then in the very next breath say that the GOP should return to being the party of Lincoln (the guy who put down the southern states' insurrection) and Reagan (the guy who expanded the government dramatically and doubled the national debt)?

Re:MormonDem

They don't let the facts get in their way so it makes a lot of sense to say that the GOP should return to being the party of Lincoln and Reagan while urging the GOP to get further away for what those men stood for.

'Utah GOP delegates support tea party movement' - title of article

Please

Utah GOP delegates ARE the tea party movement

@MormonDem: you have reached the heart of the Tea Party movement - all rhetoric, no reason. You never hear them gripe about socialism and taxes when it comes to things like military spending or subsidizing corporations. They are all smoke and no fire.

The tea party / GOP is loaded with contradictions. The hypocrisy stinks up the joint. Most of us agree there are problems in Washington and reforms are needed, so why is the GOP stopping any reforms whenever they can? The tea party is really a partisan movement, complaining of abuses now that they ignored during the last Republican administration when these issues were even worse.

MormonDem... you are misinformed and misunderstand history.... Both of these men were great people who saved many people and changed the course of nations... Blessings for both of them. Reagan had a ton of messes to clean up from Carter and he did it all admirably. Lincoln said more in 2 minutes of Gettysburg address than nearly anyone today blathers on about in 20-40 minutes... I wish there were more of both of these kinds of men! Heaven knows we need them.

MORGAN PHILPOT is a wonderful man and has my delegate vote! He is what is needed in Washington DC... He is principle and promise...

Shame on the rest of you for not going to your caucus's. We have let the tea party take over Utah.

Hm, military spending - seems to me I remember something about national defense in the Constitution... could be wrong, I suppose...

Subsidizing corporations, well, kickbacks and special favors, no. Corporate welfare of any kind, no. But - we also have by far the highest corporate tax rate of any industrialized country. THAT drives jobs overseas, and we should be lowering it to the average rate in the industrialized world, if not a bit lower, for the sake of improving our competitive edge, and to bring more jobs back to this country.

As for Lincoln and Reagan - no, neither was perfect, but then we don't like them because of their faults, but because of their virtues. Of course, Reagan also had a Democratic Congress, and Lincoln was just a tad distracted by trying to save the nation, to focus on states' rights. To focus on their faults, and then claim we're stupid to like them because they had faults, is itself stupid. Unless you have some perfect statesmen we should be emulating? Please feel free to list a few.

Tea Partiers never let facts get in the way of their rants.

@The Real Maverick

Ah yes... The typical response from the uneducated. Try actually getting the facts of the matter before disparaging others.

Would you care to refute what was said ? Or are you just a talking points machine ?

"by its very nature is not organized nor tied to any political party"

Does ANYONE really believe this? They are the faux news party.

"Make it the party of Reagan and Lincoln"

Lincoln and states rights? Reagan and deficit spending? I guess you failed history class.

A hermit who just walked out of his cave is better informed then the teahaddists. At least the hermit doesnt believe things that patently untrue.

@Demisana

Nobody of faulting Lincoln for keeping the country together or faulting Reagan for leading the way he did.

It is just hypocritical for the Tea Party to gather under the banner of Lincoln when he squashed states rights like no other. It's not a dig on Lincoln, it's a dig on the Tea Partiers.

After spending the first 20 years of my working career in the military, I can also tell you that there is so, so, so much fiscal waste and so little oversight it would make you see red. Just because defense is "constitutional" doesn't mean every dollar is spent wisely.

Cleaned up after Carter by getting the hostages released 20 minutes after his inauguration speech and then traded weapons with Iran, of course a failing memory helped ease his conscience I"m sure. Reagan was also a racist so I see him being a hero for the Tea Party Gang. He opposed passage of the 1964 Civil Rights Act. As President, Reagan cut funding for civil rights enforcement and opposed a Martin Luther King holiday. Not unlike Utah & AZ the last to except MLK as a National holiday.

On the other hand Lincoln was a great man whom I believe, would Not have backed the Tea Party Gang.

So the delegates are out of step with a majority of Utahans, go figure? It's going to be great to see Bennett run as an independent candidate and win. We'll all just sit back and watch the Republican party implode as they systematically kick out the moderates. So much for the "big tent" it's more like the "Dark Narrow Tunnel."

"Nobody of faulting Lincoln for keeping the country together or faulting Reagan for leading the way he did. "

Selling arms to Iran, cutting and running from Beirut, spending billions on defense items like the USS Missouri than never worked, starting the increase in debt and Reagan still holds the record for having the largest number of convictions of any administration.

As governor Reagan turned California's menally ill into the streets and signed the bill legalizinf abortion.

I'm faulting Reagan.

The GOP has become a party of bitter old nutcakes.

I'm a state delegate and this question seems a little vague in its wording. I support the Tea Party and 9.12 movements like I support any grassroots organization. I would never attend a rally or a meeting, but I support their existence and their contributions to the political discussion. The problem with the Tea Party movement, is that it has moved beyond the basic purpose: Stop government spending and lower taxes. Most Utahns and Americans believe in the Tea Party principles. The far-right have just moved out of their other groups (Eagle Forum, John Birch, etc.) and jumped into the Tea Party. Now we have Tea Party groups advocating immigration policy and social conservative policies like Abortion. This is why people view the Tea Party with distrust.

@Demisana
#1 It is primarily wage rates, not tax rates which drive jobs overseas.

#2 Japan and Germany have higher statutory corporate tax rates than the U.S. In terms of "effective" tax rate (ie the tax rate actually paid applying various deductions etc) the U.S. corporate rates are not always near the top.

If the Tea Party has really wrested control of the Republican nominating process, this is great news for the Democrats, but for the life of me I can't imagine why the majority of Republicans are letting it happen. Since the majority of Utahns are leery of the Tea Party's extremism, this situation bodes ill for Republicans in November.

A Portrait of the Tea Partiers
from a study conducted by Univ. of Washington

Tea Partiers show a significant difference between non-Tea Partiers in their beliefs:
-Govt. can detain people as long as they want without trial.
-Tea Partiers don't believe we'd have fewer problems in this Country if people were treated more equally.
-Tea Partiers don't believe Pres. Obama is moral, intelligent or knowledgeable.
-Tea Partiers are more likely to support racial and religious profiling
-Tea Partiers believe we have gone too far in pushing equal rights