A_Utah_Minuteman | 11:27 a.m. May 4, 2010 My only concern is, after
this legislation has beena round awhile, people will say that only Mexicans are
being focused on and not others. As a result, National ID will take effect for
all of us. The National ID is unconstitutional, despite the intention. This is
the problem as far as this new law is concerned. If this law can be enforced
without breaking the rule of law, then great. However, if it cannot, then we as
Americans have a law that destroys us as well as the illegals. If illegals are
dealt with, but Americans not suffer for it, this would be best.====================It's ok for the illegal immigrants to be
hassled, and everyone who looks like them, but not 'Americans'. You
just nailed why it's unconstitutional. Thanks MM.
Pete in Texas | 6:33 a.m. May 3, 2010 You keep saying they pay taxes
so they ought to receive health insurance. Answer me this.... how CAN they pay
taxes? They don't have a legal social security number! SINCE they don't, why
should they receive health insurance? They are having babies here, paid for by
OUR money, getting health care, paid for by OUR money, and not paying into the
system themselves. ================No, I didn't say they
already pay taxes (save for sales tax). I said that immigrants who pass a
criminal background check, and who want to live here, work here, should be
legally hired and have state and federal taxes taken out of their checks. They
should have the opportunity to enroll in the company's health care benefits
program. This way, they would be contributing into the system like the rest of
us. This way they'd be paying for their health care like the rest of us do.
They stay and changes happen. Or they stay and things remain the
same. You choose.
John Adams | 5:37 a.m. May 3, 2010Christy @ 7:49...You never
answered Pete's question. What would you do if someone broke into your house?
Exercise the law against breaking and entering, or call the police? Which would it be?================Yes, I would call
the cops if someone broke into my house. I own my house. I don't own the
country, and neither do you. So, stop with the scenario that people who just
want a better life for their family are breaking in to do harm. Stop equating
them with burglars and thieves.
People still don't think.What does "illegal" mean? What part of
that don't people understand? If we do nothing about, how many more people will
come here thinking they can do whatever they want? Here's to Utah, NV, CA, NM,
and TX all passing such a bill. Get it in control before they start to control
The truth of the matter is simple; Keeping illegals out is a good thing,
deporting them is a good thing. My only concern is, after this
legislation has beena round awhile, people will say that only Mexicans are being
focused on and not others. As a result, National ID will take effect for all of
us. The National ID is unconstitutional, despite the intention. This is the
problem as far as this new law is concerned. If this law can be enforced without
breaking the rule of law, then great. However, if it cannot, then we as
Americans have a law that destroys us as well as the illegals. If illegals are
dealt with, but Americans not suffer for it, this would be best.
Anyone who says this law is unconstitutional has not read or needs to carefully
study the United States Constitution again.What in our Constitution
permits someone to come to this country and defy the laws of 42 states requiring
someone to have proper identification of their legal right to be here? What in our Constitution permits a police officer to just pull someone
out of a crowd and arrest them on the spot because they are Hispanic or
European? What in our Constitution permits anyone to come here
illegally and commit crimes here and then expect to be treated with the same
rights as natural-born or naturalized citizens who commit crimes are? What in our Constitution makes you a racist if you just want the borders
secure and the law enforced? What in our Constitution allows our
federal government to neglect this issue and then sue a state for cleaning up
the mess the feds made? What in our Constitution permits our
economic conditions to be handicapped by grossly low wages promoted by unethical
employers exploiting cheap labor from Mexico and other countries? Nothing does. I am not a racist or a bigot. I want the law
TCnewsie that is the most profound statement yet on the subject. I'm
allready suffering here in AZ. The teens here don't do well with my hamburger
orders and my favorite azmex place went out of business a year ago becuase there
are actully less mexican nationals here than ever.Now that doen't
stop the non-fact based republicans from shouting the sky is falling..... but
what about the food? Luckily Cinco de Mayo is comming up. Arriba!
If all the illegal Mexicans get deported, will I still be able to get Mexican
food 24 hours a day? That is all I am concerned about ha ha.
We need Comprehensive Immigration Reform...not states making their own rules on
it and people going to different states wondering what is going on there. We
need to be the United States on certain important issues as this. Of course
states are going to have some differences, but not on such an important issue as
Christy, I agree that there needs to be better immigration laws. America truly
the land of opportunity. These illegals know it, that's why they come here.
However, you're making generalized statements by believing they all work really
hard. I know there are those that do as well as those that don't simply because
I work construction and I see them on my job everyday. My major concern here is
that they're illegal. They take our money while keeping their allegiances with
Mexico. They could care less about our country or it's economic situation,
except where it affects their jobs. You keep saying they pay taxes
so they ought to receive health insurance. Answer me this.... how CAN they pay
taxes? They don't have a legal social security number! SINCE they don't, why
should they receive health insurance? They are having babies here, paid for by
OUR money, getting health care, paid for by OUR money, and not paying into the
system themselves. I am a compassionate guy, but I don't have a big enough bank
account to keep this up. I'm glad you do. Mind paying MY share? I'm broke.
Christy @ 7:49...You never answered Pete's question. What would you
do if someone broke into your house? Exercise the law against breaking and
entering, or call the police? Which would it be?
Home invasion...More like you hired a guy to clean your house, walk
the dog, cut the lawn, take care of the kids and then after doing all that your
wife comes home and starts screamng, "Get him out!, Get him out! He broke in and
won't leave! Police!"Yes, you who support deporting them are the
wife and the man of the house in in fact "the man" who hired the foreigner and
asked him if he knew anybody else that needed a job.Your hypocracy
and ability to be scared is legendary. Well done, well done....
Hey Pete, I was just calling you on your biased scenario of having someone
(Mexican) break into your house and out of the good of your heart you let them
stay and they steal and take advantage of you. You said all that. I reminded you that those people you speak of work really hard. They don't
just live off you and steal your money. And no, I think they should
be paid what everyone else is paid. They work just as hard. They want what's
best for their families, just as you and I do. We need to have better
immigration laws so that good, hard working people can be naturalized and then
pay federal and state income taxes on their wages. As hard as they work, why
shouldn't they be able to contribute via taxes, and receive health insurance?
Wouldn't this lower our insurance premiums because they wouldn't be forced to go
to the ER when their child has a fever?
So Christy, you're telling me it's fine with you since they're doing it for less
than everyone else is offering to do it for? Am I to assume then that you don't
care about what's right and wrong, all you care about is that you're paying them
"pennies on the dollar"? I guess my values aren't up for sale quite as cheaply
as yours are. To me, right and wrong aren't equated by how cheaply they can be
purchased for. I guess I'm old fashioned. What can I say? Unfortunately, they're
telling you they're doing it cheaper than the rest BUT they're not paying legal
taxes, (that you and I are making up for), not paying health costs when a family
member gets hurt, (that you and I are making up for), and causing everything to
be reprinted in Spanish and reiterated on the phone in Spanish, (at a cost that
you and I are making up for). Still think you're getting that "cheap" of a deal?
Because while they've convinced you that you're getting a deal, your decision is
costing ME money as well.
Screwdriver | 3:22 p.m. ---------- Well said!Cut and pasted, Thanks!!
'What we are witnessing in this nation is a change to the foundation of how
this country was intended to be...' Few points about this
comment. 1) No one knows how this country was intended to be. That
is why the constitution has amendments. 2) This country was built on the
expulsion of Native Americans. 3) Based on the knowledge that, unless you
are 100% Native American, you cannot call yourself native, please tell me again
about the problems of immigration. The law is biased, as AZ's own
Gov. cannot tell you what an 'illegal' looks like. With no more
information given to local police, this law is rife with abuse potential.
As the law is not clear, I cannot see how it was passed. Only the 'silent
majority', those who look in the mirror and think the rest of the country should
look like them, would try to justify acts of racisim.
The silent majority in every state want this to be done in every state. Some
will remain silent because they afraid to say so in public for fear of being
called racist, or something else they are not. Most Americans understand that a
law has been broken and must be enforced by someone. It is not that they do not
want any people of any foreign nation to be here...they just want them to be
here legally. Does it effect families? Of course it does but those people who
came here illegally should have thought about before coming here. What we are
witnessing in this nation is a change to the foundation of how this country was
intended to be, and be for a long time. Societal changes do not warrant changes
in the constitution. But, what I do know is that there will be a large, united
international group of moral men who will save this nation and it's constitution
when it is about to fall. Then there will be one government with one clear
leader. So, in all this mess beyond immigration, be patient and continue to do
what is right.
This is easy. If you are really out of work becuase an illegal "stole" you job,
go take the job.If you allready have a job then go take the job away
from an illegal anyway. What better protest than one you get paid for?Any takers? Somehow I don't think so. And if you are a republican on
unemployment, get of your rump and take the illegals job and stop being a
hypocrite. The market says work all day for $7 an hour and no benefits. Why
don't you listen to the market? The FREE Market is always correct. The Market,
the market listen to the market!
Pete,One thing you left out of your scenario -- the fact that your
guest is fixing your meals, doing the dishes, cleaning your house, doing your
laundry, mowing your lawn, harvesting your garden, painting your house, fixing
your fence, washing your boat, changing the oil in your car... all for pennies
on the dollar.
Say No to BO | 8:00 a.m. May 1, 2010 LDS Liberal.So....you find
"Christian behavior" in the Democratic Party?Or are you otherwise
affiliated? ================== I'm 100% Independant.Actually I'm not a member of ANY political party.I try to find the
truth for myself.Not to sound sacrilegious but;In my heart and
in my mind, I feel that I should join none of them....their
creeds were an abomination in my sight; that those politicians were all corrupt;
that: "they draw near to me with their lips, but their hearts are far from
me,"If it was good enough advise for a 14 year old boy asking
a SIMILAR question (about which sect to join).It’s a good
enough answer to for me - a 49 year old man.But - I think the
Democrats are more correct in ideology and party platform, whil having
more integrity than the GOP.Personally -- I lean Libertarian, that's
why I'm a "Liberal".
LDS Liberal.So....you find "Christian behavior" in the Democratic
Party?Or are you otherwise affiliated?
Okay... one last shot. Time to get personal. Let's break this down
very simply. I'm betting everyone has locks on their doors at home. Why? To keep
out everyone they haven't invited in. If someone snuck in and started living in
it because they were needy and didn't speak your language, your Christian
attitude might let them stay for a while, maybe forever. What about if they
started taking a couple of dollars a week out of your bank account? You've asked
them nicely not to, and encouraged them to speak your language, but they cry to
you and tell you that this is only temporary, to just hang tough and it won't be
forever (through an interpreter). Okay, now your generosity makes them tell
another person who is needy to come on in because you're so kind. And then
another, and another. Where does it stop? How is this situation any different
than America and our borders? It's easy to say "let them stay" when you can't
understand they ARE in your homes and taking money from you. How long will you
put up with it? When is enough enough?
oh and by the way... since when does Utah support something when only 406 people
where polled? It is a very small sample size with a large margin of error. If
you took those same 406 people and asked them if they had been directly
impacted..ie lost a job to an illegal, lost a love one to an illegal, lost a
house, car, money to an illegal what would be the result? Very small I am
There are many ways to look at an issue, you can justify either side of it.
There are problems with the arizona law1. It creates an enviroment in
this country where people can not feel free to move from place to place. As
people have said they had to carry papers when in other countries. Note they
are other places. To make the law just all people will have to have their ID's
checked legal or illegal(as in other countries). How will you feel when you are
asked for your papers? Will you feel safe in your own country from police
harassment? How about the day you forget to carry your birth certificate.2. As we see in the comments here it further fuels an air of contemption
and anger towards a group of people. People will justifiy their feelings of
hostility toward these people by a law passed against them. It does nothing to
resolve the issues, all feelings of empathy is lost and our humanity is
diminished. This country has always looked at immigrants as
scapegoats, ie chinese exclusion act, japanese encampments. lets not repeat
history... Have we not risen above that?
Tom in CA | 11:31 a.m. April 30, 2010 Most who declare the AZ bill to be
"unconstitutional" are ignoramuses and water carriers for the leftist ideology.
They are good at declaring "racial profiling" in defense of their stupidity.============= Only one word comes to my mind Tom in
CA....Wow!!!This is why I ignore the
right.This is why I lef the GOP years ago.No serious
discussion.No exchange of thoughts or ideas.No Christian
behavior.Just these mindless rants, raves, and constant NO.If have a thought - share it.If you have something constructive to add -
by all means, say it!But town-hall shout-downs and yelling
"You Lie!" in a formal Government setting.I can only shake my head
in utter disbelief.....
JP71 | 1:04 p.m. April 30, 2010 @LDS Liberal the Mexican drug cartels did
kill 300+ Arizonans (Americans) last year and are killing everyday. The Mexican
drug war is America's third war and AZ has been left to fight on their own. =============??????Sources.
Not only Utahn's favor this, but others in other states favor this also.The crime has to stop.Make the illegals build the fence around the
@chris8484Why is it foolish to allow into your country a source of
hard-working, low-cost labor?Do you eat apples, oranges, or even
cherries that were cultivated in the USA? You're probably enjoying the fruits of
undocumented workers. (bad pun intended)Do you enjoy well-manicured
lawns? How about lower construction and housing prices? Do you work in an office
building that gets cleaned over night, or have you stayed in a hotel within the
past year?If you answered yes to any of these questions (and I could
keep going), then you have probably contributed to illegal immigration and the
"foolishness" of this nation.The hard truth is that undocumented
employment is a real and very integrated part of our economy. And having just
come out of a large recession, I don't know too many people excited to enter
another one. It's juts one of the many factors that makes this issue so complex
and hard to solve.
As a thinking American, I know immigration is about national policy. Remember
Reagan granted amnesty? I also know that republicans will do nothing
to help form a nation immigration law because they will put political
gamesmanship over the good of America.
I don't know of another country in the world that would be so foolish as to
allow millions upon millions of illegal aliens to enter their country, bankrupt
their hospitals and schools, sell drugs, commit crimes--and not even ask for
their papers or deport them. Legal immigration is great, and millions are
standing in line for the privilege to live here. Let them come, but send the
illegals home. This is NOT about racial profiling. It is about maintaining a
standard of law. None of us would expect to enter and live illegally in
another, yet we close our eyes when millions upon millions are doing in our
country. American citizens are not attempting to profile anyone because of
their race or marginalize anyone. We're just acting that laws be enforced so
that illegal citizens return to their country of origin.
Forget ARIZONA'S LAW? Implement MEXICO'S Immigration Law !(Two
years in jail and fine if you are caught illegal living in Mexico)!
Arizonia took action,while the federal government failed. "This is why you pay
taxes,for the authorities are God's servants,who give their full time to
governing". (Romans 13:6 NIV)The subject of illegal...: Articles of
Faith,#12. We beleive in being subject to Kings,presidents,rulers and
magistrates,in obeying,'honoring,and sustaining the law.'
Reading the article it is noteworthy to see who disagrees with this bill. I for
one am all for it. Lived/worked in 27 countries and had to show my ID often. No
problem. If you are legal, no sweat, if illegal you should be deported!!
Thanks Rep. Pearce and Gov. Brewer for making it possible to enforce the laws of
the USA. Come on Legislators, give us a similiar bill.
The illegal border issue is going to continue to be a hot political issue
because the politicans don't have the moral courage to do what is right. The
Democrats and the Republicans only see 50 million potential voters so they favor
an amnesty program so they can hang on to power. The political parties are not
going to do anything but put on their typical show and express "growing concern"
over the issue and that congress will come up with a solution that will be
acceptable to everyone.I will be both surprised and happy if this new law hb1070
holds up in court, the justice system is so screwed up that if the liberal 9th
circut gets it, it will be struck down. The illegal imigrants will more than
likely get amnesty and the border will remain open, simply because no politican
has the desire to do the right thing and send the illegals home and close the
border. I am curious just how many illegals get into the country every day and
which one is going to get in with lets say a dirty bomb? then maybe the politcal
dance will change.
@LDS Liberal the Mexican drug cartels did kill 300+ Arizonans (Americans) last
year and are killing everyday. The Mexican drug war is America's third war and
AZ has been left to fight on their own.
Just to clarify, Mexico is the number one supplier of illegal aliens to the
United States at well over 50% of the total. Source: Pew Hispanic Center.Mexico also receives by far the most green cards of any country, about 170,000
a year over the last ten years alone.Source: DHS Yearbook of Immigration
Statistics.Those who claim Russia sends us more illegals are, as Obama
NOTHING was "tossed" out of the 2008 SB-81 law after a year of legislative
interim committee hearings around the state. The law went into effect as
written. It was NOT changed by the 2009 legislature. Check the facts. SB-81 mandates that public entities using taxpayer funds must use E-Verify to
check their employees and those companies that contract with them. Enforcement
has been weak and left up to the citizens, but nothing was changed in the law.
The policing requirements were voluntary. No funds were allocated
for the implementation of SB-81
Utah...PLEASE ENACT THIS LAW!
Chris B | 9:50 p.m. April 29, 2010 YES, I support enforcing our laws.----------------Me too!!Start with
SPEEDING!!!Illegals didn't kill 300 Utahns last year.
Any idea how many kidnappings occur in PHX? 1+ per day - most all related to
drug and human smuggling. H'mmm. So yes, perhaps MESOUTE you do have a point -
there is some fear - just not the kind you're thinking of.And do
tell, where have the brethren said it's OK to break the law? When have they
condoned illegal immigration or called upon the US to "erase" its border? Cite
byronbca is wrong too:AZ law enforcement can only verify your legal
status if they first have a lawful contact with you. say you were breaking into
your neighbors house and were caught by the cops. Then you could be questioned.
Joggers just out for some exercise - nope!
Interesting. Only 406 people of our 2,784,572 population were polled. That's a
severely small sample size. I wouldn't base any important decision on the
opinions of less than .00015 percent of what the people think. Even with a
larger sample size, one needs to consider the ignorance, racism, and blind
loyalty to political parties that the population possesses.
Most who declare the AZ bill to be "unconstitutional" are ignoramuses and water
carriers for the leftist ideology. They are good at declaring "racial profiling"
in defense of their stupidity.I suppose there may be justification
to "tweaking" the bill, but cudos to the governor for actually being a leader
and having the nerve to DO something that NO ONE HERETOFORE has had the guts to
do. If YOU want to participate in a boycott, then boycott the
federal government, not the folks in AZ.The federal government's APATHY
and lack of BACK BONE is the cause of a frustrated governor.
This law is based on fear and fear alone. Very sad. It also tells me that LDS
members are not entirely in step with church leadership as the brethren have
said they will not turn away illegal immigrants.But then again what
would anyone expect from AZ? The only reason they finally acquiessed to mandate
MLK Jr. Day as a holiday like the rest of the country is because the NFL said
that they would not host a Super Bowl umless they gave in.
What people don't realize is that this law essentially makes it illegal to leave
your house without id.For example, if you go for a run around the
block without your id and a cop decides that you look like an illegal immigrant
he can arrest you.Do Utahns really support a law that makes it
illegal to not carry identification? or are people that are for this law unaware
of the ramifications?
Just one comment to those of you who are bringing religion into this discussion.
Is it not true that one of the LDS church's main points of religion relating to
government is that we are subject to and will follow all rules of government
(paraphrase)? So when someone is here (or anywhere) illegally, they are not
truly following the belief.
Breaking the law is breaking the law. I generally don't agree with that. When
it also costs me money to have someone break the law then I get have more
passion for it. So if it inconvienences me to show my ID to an officer because
my skin is a little darker than the average American--so be it. It will save me
time in the future by not having to pay for someone's healthcare and legal fees.
No surprise here. Utah is one wacked out state.
dustman is wrong when he says "The US gets more illegals from Russia, Ireland,
and Canada than from south and central america. Yet we still target them.
Because they look different."OTMs (Other than Mexican's) make up a
small percentage of the few hundred thousand illegals detained by the border
patrol in AZ each year.And AZ is striving to be careful regarding
racial profiling. It's illegal and LEOs must have another lawful contact (e.g.
pulled over for speeding, etc.) with someone before they can ask about their
legal status.Please, stick with the facts.
These Mexicans are hard workers for the most part,lets have em come here when we
need them to milk our cows,clean our motel rooms,wash our soiled clothes,work on
our farms and yards,pay em cheap and then boot em out when we`re done with
em,I`m sure that`s what Jesus would`ve done
@michaelitosCompassion for ALL, not just illegals.Tell
Bob Krenz who was murdered by an illegal just weeks ago and was well known here
in Southern AZ for helping illegals who were suffering on their journey through
the desert that he should have just shown some compassion. Too bad he can't -
he's dead. Stop trying to apply your Utah (or NY...) mindset to an AZ problem
you are obviously ignorant of.The border is porous, dangerous - even
murderous! Shootouts in the streets in Agua Prieta, Nogales and Naco are not
uncommon. What happens when these spill over to the US? Into my world? Easy
for you some 900 miles away to spout compassionate ideals. How about a reality
check. Peggy Noonan has an excellent article in the WSJ today about this - I
suggest it to all. It's linked off Drudge... suggest you study up!
406 Utahns does not equate to Utahns as a whole. This is a very misleading
headline - come on D-News. It should read: 406 registered voters favor AZ. law.
to jp71 where are you getting you information from or were you pulling if out of
your hat. If you are going to make a statement like that prove it with you
@ dustman:I live in Arizona about 15 miles from the Mexican border.
Someone should maybe tell the widow of Bob Krenz - a local rancher murdered by
an illegal alien - that God was leading him to our country. Maybe all the drug
dealers and Mexican Mafia fighting for control of the best smuggling corridors
should just remember that God is leading these people. Maybe our YM & YW that
can't use a church-owned property without armed Border Patrol escort should just
remember that God is leading these people. Maybe I should remember when it's
not safe to drop my kids at the bus stop because Border Patrol is in the
neighborhood looking for illegals that God is leading these people. Maybe the
ranchers whose land and livestock is being trampled and destroyed that these
people are being led by God... Come on! Are you serious!?I will
prefer to remember that we are to honor, obey and sustain the law!Man, I'm sick of seeing lives and property DESTROYED and people incorrectly
invoking compassion and justice and as a hollow end to justify bad behavior.
The AZ law is a step in the right direction. It will need to be refined and will
be over time. I live in TX. Crime committed by illegals is a major
issue here. Much of the crime is not by Mexicans, it is by illegals from other
countries. Being a sanctuary city sent a message to professional
criminals all over the world that this was a much more lucrative, easier place
to commit crimes. We have many illegal crime gangs who have been attracted by
the money and lax law enforcement. Many of the murders, armed robberies, drug
dealing, kidnappings etc are by illegals, not to mention financial and identity
fraud. If caught the illegals tend to get deported. That is a mere
inconvenience. They come back within weeks.If they actually get jail
time it costs the tax payers a lot. Illegal immigration is not a
costless crime. Illegal immigration is not just people looking for a job. It
includes a notable percent who are professional criminals.
I personally know a fair number of illegals who I would consider to be a welcome
addition to this country, but am no longer willing to tolerate the bad that
comes in with the good: the identity thieves, those who are unwilling to
integrate, those who came here to work, but otherwise hate America, drug
dealers, murderers, child molesters and those who come to take advantage of
services. Not that we don't have plenty of home-grown troublemakers, but while
we can't choose who is born here, we can choose who we let in.
@dustman "The US gets more illegals from Russia, Ireland, and Canada than from
south and central america. Yet we still target them. Because they look
different." Nooo.....its because AZ borders Mexico... not Russia,
Ireland, or Canada....;)
I'm very disappointed at the marginalization and finger pointing going on
here.I would just like to point out to the various posters here that
suggest that "illegals" are the source of all economic woes, all crime, and are
the sole recipients of welfare, you are seriously mistaken. For that matter,
those on the other side launching baseless accusations of "right-wingers" and
xenophobia are out of line, as well.The economy, crime, even welfare
are all separate issues where, if you take a truly representative sample, you
will find bot documented and undocumented people alike.This
segregating of "us" (the noble, legal citizens) from "them" (dirty law breaking
illegals) is completely unfair.Whether you agree with how they came
to this country or not, they are still human beings (and children of a Heavenly
Father). In this argument, we all deserve to be treated with more respect than
that. It's no wonder that the LDS Church has repeatedly called for more
compassion in this dialogue.
@coachcarter AZ is very much under attack. Not from the hard working citizens
of Mexico that are here illegally but from the drug cartels. Phoenix police
officers are being ambushed, home invasions happen on a weekly basis, AZ is the
kidnapping capital of the U.S., bodies are found in the desert on regular basis,
and all this comes from the Mexican cartels and happens in AZ. This law was an
act of desperation on the part of AZ. I don’t agree with the
police enforcing immigration laws, but what is AZ to do. Are they just supposed
to do nothing and slowly lose control like the Mexican government has done?
Just a few facts on the news today on channel 10 here in Phoenix. There are 50
illegals in Maricopa county jails held for murder, that is one county. DPS just
caught 100 illegals this morning crossing the border. 3 drop houses were raided
and in one of them they had all being kidnaped and there families were were
having to pay ransom to get them released. Sheriff Joe is doing a sweep today
the count at this time is 90 arrested and 60 are illegals and he did it in a
high crime area. Our highest crime areas are in the Latino neighborhoods. I did
a poll of my Latin friends and 90% liked the new law, one of them said that most
of the protesters have family that are here illegally. My wife is a latina and
was born south of the border and if I thought she would be profiled by the
police I would be against bill 1070 and yes I have read the bill, have you?
Second Nephi in the Book of Mormon states that all those that come to this land
are led by God.I Florida on my LDS mission we didn't ask if people
were documented/legal as a prerequisite for baptism.People who
support the AZ bill are not the people who will get pulled over and asked for an
ID. As a Native American, I'm sick of immigration laws that target
Hispanics because my complexion is similar to Hispanics. The US
gets more illegals from Russia, Ireland, and Canada than from south and central
america. Yet we still target them. Because they look different.
I had to carry "papers" when I lived in Argentina. I have to show a membership
card at Costco. I have to carry a drivers license to operate a vehicle. If I
get stopped by a police officer for doing something bad and I have to show ID
and the officer runs a check on my criminal history; why would there be any
problems with the officer making sure I have proper citizenship? I
have a problem with the principles of immigration law. I have no problem with
letting an officer enforce the law, something I pay him to do. Our
great country attracts people looking for greater opportunities. That is the
explorer spirit our nation continues to be built on. Unfortunately, we deny
many courageous and many US-educated non-citizens from obtaining citizenship.
These policies are, no doubt, part of an elitist mentality and the
protectionistic fear of change. In addition, the softening of our
explorer spirit and our general failure as men to provider for and protect
mothers and the elderly has led to government-expansion "entitlement" programs,
which we pay for dearly. These "entitlement" programs don't attract the kind of
potential citizens this country needs.
Americans are already required to carry identification...why is this such a
difficult issue? It is only natural that someone visiting this country would
carry identification of citizenship. Considering the amount of crime and
illegal activity bestowed upon the US this effort is overwhelmingly needed.
Perhaps all the drug money is beginning to influence the highest levels of our
government as well? One is suspicious after researching the connections between
the Mafia, CIA, and FBI from 1950 thru the mid 1970's
You can't go anywhere in this country as an adult and not be asked for some form
of ID (i.e. cashing a check, buying certain over the counter meds, buying
alcohol, being pulled over for a traffic offense). The voting booth seems to be
the only place you don't have to provide ID. Now people are in a panic over
Arizona's 1070 law? These same individuals are overlooking the stress illegal
immigration puts on all of our nation from health care to law enforcement. Why
then are these individuals not panicked when they have to fill out an I-9 form
for employment? 1070 is going to hold up in court just like
Arizona's state law requiring employers to verify immigration status did.I encourage any reader of the DN to visit southern Arizona and again see
the impact of illegal immigation from healthcare to law enforcement. You will
then understand why Arizona had to create this law to force the federal
government to do their job.
I spent the weekend in a Latin American country and when they came through the
bus asking for our papers, I didn't think anything of it. They even went through
my friends passport verifying he got into the country legally. Yes, he looks
like a Gringo and I could say they were racial profiling against him, but we
were foreigners in their country. I expect them to check my passport to make
sure I am in there illegally. What is the problem? The only people
that should have issue with this law, are the ones that don't have a right to be
Utah needs to pass a copy of Arizona's law as soon as possible.Secure our borders, and if that is not done then there are no options but to
tolerate law breaking by everyone, or to attempt to find those here illegally
and send them back using whatever law enforcement agencies we have.Legal good. Illegal bad.
This is such a sad thing. Even without this law my wife has been profiled and
stopped for such things as turning right on a green light. Those in favor of
such things are those who believe they won't feel the negative effects of this
CONGRATS - Being from Florida, I'm happy that Utahns are solidly in favor of
putting their own version of Arizona's controversial new immigration statute
into law in the Beehive State, seeing all their law maker's ever did for decades
was only talk about it, without action and had them all fooled. Utah does have
those on the far right, and those on the far left, but what really creates
political imbalance, is there's NO ONE in the middle, and, when that happens,
for those people, from the poor to the middleclass to the "Joe Sixpacks", the
same thing will happen, as it did in 2008, and cost the Sarah Palin's and the
John McCain's the White House and most all of Congress to sit at home watching
conservative Road Runner cartoons while reading Glenn Becks new book. When will
you ever learn this?. Why did not Hatch and Bennett start to "tweaks" to ensure
that his version is both legal, and aimed at effectively curbing illegal
immigration in Utah before re-election time?.
The educated answer wouldn't to be to just follow. Smart folks wait and observe
to see what the real impacts are before they march in cadence off a cliff.
Had the Border Patrol stop by my jobsite yesterday. The painters here were asked
for papers. They said they were Americans and showed their drivers licenses.
After the Border Patrol left, I asked them how they felt about being asked for
documentation. Not one of them cared because they ARE Americans and they
understand the WHOLE picture. They know the illegals are sneaking across the
border and causing the LEGAL workers to take a cut in pay because employers are
paying the illegals less than what the legals make. They weren't upset at all
about it. They never once mentioned "racial profiling" or felt like the Border
Patrol were racist in any sense of the word. So all you people who are crying
about the law being "racist" and "unconstitutional" have no idea what is going
on. If someone is here illegally, they should garnish no rights under our
constitution since they aren't legal. It isn't a human right to live in America,
it's a privilege. If I say "get rid of the illegals" that doesn't make me a
racist, it makes me a patriot. Wrap your heads around that thought.
If I'm an eighteen year old mexican american born in this country pulled over
for speeding and I forgot my drivers license, probably the only thing standing
between me and being hauled off to jail is my accent and english proficiency.
I tell you right now. IF you haven't armed yourself, and I don't mean a
baseball bat, to protect your property you are in dire straits. This influx of
illegals will start breaking into your homes while you are away and will take
your property by squatting. It has happened in St. George area already. Think
you hear about it in the news? Trust me it's coming.
To Tony Yapias,We understand very well what this law does and what
it means and we don't need you to explain it to us. You need to face the fact
that we are tired of illegal immigrants overrunning our state and nation. And NO
we do not need comprehensive immigration reform which is nothing more or less
than an amnesty for people who have no right to be here in the first place, they
need to go home. What we do need is comprehensive enforcement of the law
starting immediately and YES we need to ask about the legal status of anyone we
suspect is here illegally and send them back. You and other open borders
advocates have badly misjudged how sick and tired the people of Utah and the
nation are of your countrymen thinking our laws don't apply to them. If
you are so concerned about the rights of Mexicans why don't you and them go back
there? The sooner the better.
Wait until you are asked for proof of your citizenship. I'm betting you will
change your minds about this awful legislation. It is a slippery slope to loss
of freedom, and that conservatives, who decry their loss of freedom every time
the President says a word, don't oppose this law shows either their hypocrisy or
their stupidity.Buy the way, if you see an illegal at a local
business, ask the owner if they have an I-9 for that person. It is the business
community that is creating the economic incentive for illegal immigration. It
is supply and demand at work.
Christy: I am also from Utah County and I totally disagree with everything you
said about Xenophobia. People in Utah County reach out to the
world. We are NOT xenophobes. We are as international as you can get. And
yes, the fact that so many have served missions in other countries and speak
other languages is a factor in this. Do you think by ridiculing
others, it somehow validates your point of view. Apparently you think that by
laughing at others, you win your argument. YOU DO NOT.I understand
how you feel about the law in Arizona. It's a difficult thing and many people
are very conflicted about it. But, it seems your main reason for opposing it is
because you don't want to pay more for services. I hope that's not true.
Yes, the majority of americans do favor this bill. Now we just need to make the
media and the politicians understand this.
Patrick Buchanan gave an excellent summary of the Arizona law today:
Stand Up For Arizona by Patrick Buchanan 043010First, it brings
Arizona law into conformity with federal law. As it has long been a federal
crime to be in the country illegally, it is now a crime in Arizona. Second, just as U.S. law since 1940 has required legal aliens -- immigrants
and guest workers -- to carry their green cards or work visas at all times,
Arizona law now says the same thing. As for racial profiling, the
new law forbids it. A police officer, it reads, "may not solely consider race,
color or national origin" in stopping anyone or in determining an immigrant's
status. No cop can halt and challenge a man on the street, or sitting in a
restaurant or bar, or driving a car.
The "yellow star" and Nazi comments need to stop.It has been a requirement
in the United States for decades that non-citizens carry their "papers" at all
times.Arizona is finally asking to see them. And the new law requires
that the police promptly turn violators over to federal authorities for
Any time Yapias is against something, I am for it.
Who needs immigration reform? Not the american people. We the american people
want immigration enforcement, not amnesty for illegals to keep looting and
pilfering and pillaging this country of its wealth, our freedoms, and rights.The only thing Arizona forgot to do was call out the state militia,
National Guard, to break up this unconstitutional and illegal rioting by foreign
nationals on american soil. Put all this in the hands of the military and its
resources.My conclusion is that Tony Yapais is a traitor to his
country and our laws. For the sake of this nation amnesty should not be given
to law breakers. Illegal foreign nationals are terrorizing america with
encouragement from their president in Mexico. Who is also threatening the United
States if we interfere with HIS people. We are under attack and it is by illegal
Mexicans marching on our nation, its not the american people.What we
need in immigration reform will also require severe punishment to employers who
hire illegal aliens. This country was forewarned to keep and maintain strict
immigration laws to prevent what has happened, unrest, no jobs, and wages
depressed. Not only enforce deportation by any means, include their employers.
The law does not give officers the right to ask people on the street for
documentation. What it does give them is the right to proceed
against someone who is discovered to be here illegally. Example: pulling someone
over, and finding they have a forged drivers license, gives them the right to
run them through the Federal database. There is way to much scare
propaganda going on over this bill in an attempt to discredit it.
No, Christy. The bill is not unconstitutional. Perhaps you should read it.
Law enforcment needs to go after both the illegal and the employer
(do you let the car thief go and only go after the chop shop?). And
the price of lettuce need not go up. It just may mean not quite as fat a profit
margin for the greedy employers who in their greed were willing to sell out the
The Arizona law is unconstitutional on several grounds, that is exactly why the
Arizona State Legislature is already making changes to this law. They are still
in session so they can clean up this bill. Someone ask why anyone would be
worried if the were ask to prove they are in the US legally? How many of us
carry our birth certificates with us at all times. To many on here are
just racist and blame everything wrong on the illegal Mexicans, like no one else
born or legally in the states ever commits a crime. I am not defending illegal
aliens regardless of where they come from but reality is reality.The Arizona law is unconstitutional and illigal Mexicans do not commit
all of the crimes.The Federal government
Here's the problem I have with the law. And as a 40 year resident of AZ I've
seen the reality of what law enforcement actually does in these cases.All
branches of law enforcement are stopping people, who happen to be Hispanic, for
NO REASON.Many of my close personal friends are Hispanic, some are here
legally, some are not.So the bogus notion that the law does not allow
racial profiling is a pitiful joke.It happens and it makes me very sad for
lifetime residents of the US to be detained, pulled over with a ridiculous list
of excuses for being pulled over, like, "you don't look like someone who would
be driving a car like this". A true sample from a US citizen.Yes, protect
our borders, but focus on the human smugglers, the drop houses, the drug runners
coming across the border and the gun runners going in the other direction.But stop trampling on these peoples rights.And many of you should
educate yourselves who pretend to know the constitution. You're conveniently
leaving out the important parts.The rights of US citizens.
Are own Attorney General, Mark Shurtleff says that it's unconstitutional and
unnecessary. I stand up for the constitution. Even though I am of Mexican
descent, I'm also from good old Mormon Pioneer descent. I was born in Salt Lake,
so I'm guess I am already at home. Let us remember how it was to be found
illegally in a state, the state of Missouri.
It's not unconstitutional to ask an illegal immigrant for proof of citizenship,
nor to send them back to Mexico when they can't prove it. It IS
unconstitutional to ask a LEGAL immigrant or citizen for their papers. That is
harassment. It violates the 4th amendment. Do you understand
that?The problem is: HOW DO YOU TELL THE DIFFERENCE between illegal
and legal just by looking? Governor Brewer says she doesn't know what an
illegal immigrant looks like. Riiiiiiiiiiight. This bill is
overreaching, Un-American, and unconstitutional and it will be overturned. Why are the employers of these illegals getting a pass??? THAT is who
law enforcement needs to go after. Just be prepared to pay more for your
produce and meat. And your homes. And your hotel stays. And your fast food.
And your house cleaners. And your gardeners...
I live in California and worked for a company with ~90 employees and ~30 were
here illegally. Everyone of them had some type of forged document, I believe
that in of its self is a violation of state and federal law. The owner knew he
had illegals on the payroll and didn't care. The range of salaries paid to the
illegals were between $9.00 and $20 dollars per hour. California currently has
~12% unemployment and I know everyone of those jobs could have been filled by
legal workers. This was pointed out to the owner numerous times, but he didn't
want the interruption to his business that would be caused by having to train
new workers.I think AZ is smart because if the federal government
won't enforce the current laws, the states need to protect themselves.
@Invictus Maneo | 9:48 p.m. April 29, 2010[If you actually knew
anything about Utah, you would know that we have the highest ratio of Americans
who speak a second language here than anywhere else in the country. We also have
the highest ratio of people who have lived in a foreign country.]That is laughable!!! Where did you get that information? Are you referring
to return missionaries or something? And yes, Utah and Arizona are by far THE
most xenophobic states in America. Both states fought tooth and nail not to have
to recognize MLK Jr. Day.Xenophobia is a dislike, hatred and/or fear
of that which is unknown or different from oneself. Utah County, where I'm from,
should be called Xenophobia.The majority of these illegal immigrants
are coming here for a better life, the way our own ancestors did. Yes,
something needs to be done about the criminals and the drugs. But ultimately, a
nation is judged by how it treats the most vulnerable among them.Shame on you.
I support this effort and I believe Utah should enact similar legislation. If
the federal government wasn't totally incompetent and solely politically
motivated, this wouldn't even be an issue. The sooner the curent federal power
structure is changed, the sooner we have at least a chance to survive.
I support the Arizona law and hope that Utah steps up and passes one just like
I'm really sad that this law is necessary. But, unfortunately, Arizona has been
so over run for so many years and crime is out of control. When that rancher on
the border was murdered recently, Arizona had finally just had it. They decided
that if the Federal Government wasn't going to do its job and protect them, they
would have to do it themselves.The whole situation is really sad and
I think most people are very conflicted about it. I'm afraid the law might be
unconstitutional, but I certainly understand why Arizona did it.The
states can't take this crime any more. Our borders are out of control. The
violence on the border in intolerable.
Just watched the 10:00 news and learned that 65% of Utahns are in favor of the
Arizona law! Stand up for being law abiding citizens or go home!
Coach Carter - have you lived in AZ? Yes they are under attack. I lived near
the border in So. AZ for 38 years, have you ever been to Douglas???? Are you a
Constitution expert? You probably can't answer 'yes' to any of these
YES, I support enforcing our laws.This bill says that it is illegal
to do something that is against the law. Unbelievable the liberals have a hard
time supporting something so simple.Where can I donate to this great
cause?Seriously, let me know!
Christy,If you actually knew anything about Utah, you would know
that we have the highest ratio of Americans who speak a second language here
than anywhere else in the country. We also have the highest ratio of people who
have lived in a foreign country. (Have you ever lived in a foreign country?)
That's why the FBI, the CIA, and Homeland Security come here for recruits. So much for your silly xenophobe argument.
Absoluty imperative that Utah pass this bill. Illegal immigration is the tip of
the iceberg. Identity theft, crime and cutural fragmentation follow illegals.
We cannot allow our system to be overun by people breaking the law. The only
people that fear this law are the lawbreakers and those who support them.
has AZ been attacked? no? Have they been pressured by force? no? it doesn't
Yes "of course" people who believe in doing things the legal way are just a
bunch of "psycho right-wingers." It was prophesied in the Bible:
right would be called wrong and wrong would be called right. Welcome to the future.
Of course they favor it. Utah and Arizona are the two most xenophobic states in
Any one who claims the law is unconstitutional has not read SB 1070. Because if
you did you would realize it only enforces a federal law. So your beef shouldn't
be with AZ.
Of course Utah is in favor of the new law, do many psycho right-wingers here.
This new AZ law IS unconstitutional, and will be found as such in the near
Of course Utah favors it.Did you read the article today that quoted
an illegal from Arizona saying, "I'm already heading north to Utah."?If Utah doesn't pass a similar law, we will be more overrun than we already
are.Our schools and hospitals are bursting at the seams. We can't
take on another wave of illegals.
Legal is good. Not is not.
The Arizona law mirrors Federal law. The reason so many want to call it
unconstitutional is because immigration is a Federal responsibility. However,
when the Feds abdicate their responsibility then it is left to the states.
Obama has pulled immigration from his agenda this year hoping that he maintains
his majorities so that he can push through an amnesty.He thinks that
the American Citizen will not realize that jobs are the issues here. My
Hispanic friends who are legal tell me that they support the Arizona law because
they say they came here to become citizens legally. In fact, when I talked to
one other friend in Spanish he told me he didn't speak Spanish. I asked why and
he said 'because I'm an American! I speak English.
They did not ask me! They never do. Who do they ask?I am not in favor of
it because it is unconstitutional. Neither the left or right can solve our
immigration issues. Politicians are currupt and government is too big. This law
will not solve anything. Only anger more people. This is what government wants
which is why I am a libertarian.
and here is your yellow star.
The Arizona law is not unconstitutional. Where in the Constitution are the
states prohibited from enforcing immigration laws, or from protecting their own
borders? (See the 9th and 10th Amendments)Article 4, Section 4
guarantees that the federal government shall protect the States against
invasion, but Article 1, Section 10, Clause 3 provides for the States to defend
themselves against armed aggression or invasion, without having to wait for
Congress to declare War.If the Federal government abdicates its
role, and fails to honor the guarantees expressly required of it in the
Constitution, then the States have every right to take whatever means necessary
to stop the invasion and protect their own borders.Just because most
illegal immigrants are not part of an organized military, does not mean that an
invasion is not occurring. They are encroaching on the sovereign territory of
another nation without permission. That constitutes invasion.And no,
Tony, we DO know what the law will do. That's why we support it.