@ChrisVaWa- First of all, we do not have endless geneologies. Second- The
scriptures did not say geneologies are evil, but "to avoid 'endless'
geneologies, which minister questions, Rather than Godly edifying. I would agree
that LDS should not engage in silly questions such as the one's you put forth.
In fact, Apostles and the Prophet have given us the same advice found in the
scriptures. Don't ask silly questions like "Did Adam have a belly button?" There
are some who would strive with this question to the point that they lost their
faith! That is the point Titus and Timothy were making. LDS folks should put
Christ at the center of their faith, as counseled by scriptures and church
leaders. The church has always taught us this and warns us not to get deviated
by silly questions, endless genealogies,contentions or strivings about the law
or shall we say "gospel of Christ" for that is what the law directs us to. I see
no conflict here, in fact, only support that our work is true, and the warning
not to get caught up in questions that might undermine our faith.
Flashback | 2:40 p.m. April 28, 2010I do remember a cartoon from Grondahl
years ago that depicted Wild Willy who lived in the underground vaulds.
Hysterical.Wild Willy! That one was probably my favorite of those
cartoons. I'm so happy to see someone remembers that. They should put *him* in
the virtual tour.
@Flashback - Wild Willy! That one was probably my favorite of his cartoons.
Pity they probably won't have him in the virtual tour....
If you truely and sincerely investigated the Church of JESUS CHRIST of
Latter-Day Saints you would know that Christ is at the center and head of the
Dave-Thank you for your kind words... In Old Testament
times genealogy was important because Priesthood was by lineage and the
genealogy of Jesus was important because it established his lineage in
fulfilling scripture prophecies concerning his coming.I think it
funny how "endless genealogies" and "foolish questions" go hand in hand in these
verses. Like when someone is sorting out who they will be sealed to if their
parents are divorced but still sealed together and their father is sealed to
another woman who is not the person mother. Or who a person will be sealed to if
raised by a faithful Mormon Aunt who never married and who's parents are
divorces, remarried and not Mormon, and wouldn't want someone to come along and
seal them to their parents, because the Aunt is the one who raised them.Your endless genealogies do raise lots of ridiculous question, just as
the verses state.
ChrisVaWa | 9:26 a.m. April 29, "I Timothy 1 : 4 "Neither give heed to
fables and endless genealogies, which minister questions, rather than godly
edifying which is in faith: so do."Titus 3 : 9 "But avoid foolish
questions, and genealogies, and contentions, and strivings about the law; for
they are unprofitable and vain.""So then Chris, we should run to our
bibles and rip out the first 16 verses of The New Testament (Matt. 1: 1-16).
And also countless chapters in the Old Testament.If you were to
understand the verses you quoted in scriptural context and their historical
context you'd know that the Jews of that time were justifying themselves though
their lineage.But to the ignorant, gullible and foolish these verses
just might support your argument.
The question all of us want to ask. How long will it take to get all of that
garbage out of there and convert it to a long term survival shelter in event of
a meteor threat.It isn't garbage.
It's important to read the full sentence to get the meaning. Those of you
worried about the two people in photos wearing jeans, the rest of the sentence
in the article says, "cotton fibers created by brushing pant legs when LARGE
GROUPS walk by". I too would love to see the virtual tour if it
becomes available. Enjoyed the few photos with the article!
I Timothy 1 : 4 "Neither give heed to fables and endless genealogies, which
minister questions, rather than godly edifying which is in faith: so do."Titus 3 : 9 "But avoid foolish questions, and genealogies, and
contentions, and strivings about the law; for they are unprofitable and
vain."When will the Restoration Movement get back to the center of
the whole Gospel... Jesus Christ?
Hugh G. Hater | 2:03 p.m. April 28, 2010"I want to know how the water
tastes."Hugh; the water tastes GREAT!Got to taste the
water several times. It was stored in what looked a bit like a lap pool at the
far back of the vault.I was the graphic designer and presentation
designer for the family History Dept. for over 18 years. I went to the vault
several times. What's funny about the photos is that many are staged with
employees and non-employes with the jeans. There are parts of the vaults where
they are similar to "Clean Rooms" where more protective measures are taken.Another funny story is that, back in the 80s, a Church general authority
has some visitors in town and showed up at the vault wanting to give them a
tour. He and his group were turned away because EVERYONE must get permission to
tour the vault.The answer on original microfilms is, even when
digitized, the originals are stored because many records were aloud to be filmed
under promise to permanently store the film. If they didn't keep that promise,
record collecting would be damaged.
Will the Virtual Tour be available online or somewhere for the public?
That cave seems pretty awesome!
I do remember a cartoon from Grondahl years ago that depicted Wild Willy who
lived in the underground vaulds. Hysterical.
Hugh, if you want to know how the water tastes, just check out your bottled Mt.
Olympus Spring Water (even though Mt. Olympus is one canyon over). After
filtering through all that rock it must taste great.
get some from store sounds like you never been too utah
I want to know how the water tastes.
thank you for the story very interesting news
I think this was a terrific story. Thanks for sharing!
I worked there 18 years ago. Nothing secretive only a storage. There is
duplication being done so that the originals never leaves the place. The blue
jean thing was weird as I use to wear them every day. I think it is
misunderstood what he is talking about becuase he is talking about tour groups
rubbing against each other, blah blah blah. It is a controled environment to
help preserve, nothing more.
Great story, but you forgot to mention the website.
inspired information thru so much History
It is microfilm storage not microchip manufacturing.
inside views on who were really related to
@9:41 - Really? Come on, man.
Wow, nice pics, love those jeans. I kind of think that there needs to be an
exclamation about the photos with these people in jeans. Maybe it was a area
where there are no records and so the issue of clothing was not there and also
flashes of cameras. But we need to know about the jeans, it totally is
distracting from the rest of the information.
Ammonium sulfate and diesel.... Sounds like a good way to spend the weekend.The question all of us want to ask. How long will it take to get all of
that garbage out of there and convert it to a long term survival shelter in
event of a meteor threat.I remember the day I walked into the BYU
library and discovered the card catalogs were gone. Is the microfilm being
disposed of as it is being digitized, or are they holding onto them as redundant
copies? It is incredible that billions of records have been condensed to fit
into a single location, and that they will again be condensed to fit on a few
My dad has worked there for almost twenty years now. really boring actually, Ive
heard about it every day at the dinner table for all of those twenty years now.
they really dont want people up there mostly because so many nuts used to bother
them. apparently some people think there all kinds of crazy things in there. I
only went on a tour once about a decade ago. once again, very boring. you can
tell nothing is going on when they are doing stories on stuff like this.
At least they're protecting 'Johnny Lingo', we'd be in dire straights if we ever
lost that gem!
Regarding the "contamination" issues stated by the archivist:In
addition to the male employee wearing blue jeans, there is also a young woman
shown in the photo gallery wearing jeans. Neither employee is wearing gloves to
protect the records, the guy doesn't have "booties" over his shoes and the girl
doesn't have her long hair pulled back. Neither one has protective clothing
(and besides it's 55 degrees!). Some inconsistencies here.
I work in a different photo archive in the valley and I understand what the
archivists are talking about. We are trained and know how to handle the
materials properly. For example, while we require patrons to wear white cotton
gloves when handling any materials, we usually do not because we know how to
handle the photographs in a non-damaging way. I've never heard the bit about
cotton fibers before though...
Really interesting story. But it's funny that they say they don't want people
wearing jeans because of the fibers that can come off of them, but then the guy
in the photo is wearing...jeans.
The archivist decries "merely bringing in any contamination, such as "blue jean
dust," the cotton fibers created by brushing pant legs when one walks."And then the photo shows an employee wearing blue jeans.Hmmm.