REF: Laurels | 7:35 a.m. April 25, 2010 The below are the lead statements
from your paragraphs. My statements will follow each starting with the "---".
Can anyone explain to me how the U.S. Military are represented in this
process:"The people who attend the caucuses typically have a higher
level of engagement in the political process." --- Military put their lives on
the line to protect our freedoms. There is no higher engagement."The delegates elected at caucus meetings spend time attending functions where
they interact face-to-face with the candidates." --- Service member are not
given this opportunity."Is the caucus system unfair? To suggest
that those who take the time to engage in this effort don't represent the will
of the people is lame." --- I don't think that either party wants to tell the
members of the U.S. military that they are, "lame." They patrol while you sleep
warm in your bed.--- The U.S. Military guards the door. Members
serve with pride, but are alienated by the mass meetings. They pay Utah Taxes,
but receive little or no services from this Great State. The primary is their
first chance to vote.
It is laughable to call Mr. Bennet a liberal. He is a pragmatic Conservative.
He has done a good job for the state of Utah, and it's people. Our Republican
Party is not going to be the majority party again if we continually run off
anyone who is one iota to the left of Rush Limbaugh
As a delegate, I have spent countless hours attending meetings with candidates,
researching their stances, separating truth from slander, and making informed,
educated decisions. Whenever I get feedback from non-delegates, many of them
don't even know who the candidates are, much less what they stand for. I'm a believer in the delegate system. It is a way for those people who truly
care and have the initiative to do their homework to be involved and make
informed decisions. Their votes are based in fact and research, not in reaction
to a big name or a cool sound byte. It also filters big money out of the
process; why does Bennett need $3 million to cater to 3,500 delegates? He
doesn't. Money is needed in a primary, and this is where a lot of corruption,
and the perpetual, blind re-election of incumbents usually occurs. The claim that bringing in Mitt would influence me is laughable; maybe that
will hold sway in a primary, but not with delegates. I haven't spoken to one
delegate yet who is blindly voting based on emotion, anger, hatred, or awe of
With time running out?There are 4 candidates that seem to have a chance of
winning the GOP nominee for US Senate. Mike Lee, Cherilyn Eagar, Tim Bridgewater
and Bob Bennett.As the pollsters learned 2 years ago when Jason
Chaffetz won, trying to guess what will happen at convention is pretty tough.We do have two county delegate polls taken at Weber and Utah GOP County
Conventions. Both had Cherilyn Eagar taking 2nd place over Bob Bennett and Tim
Bridgewater. These two counties represent over 27% of the state delegates.With a 3 round ballot system, any of those that make it through the 1st
round could win, even if they don't get 1st place for round 1.I
believe that Cherilyn Eagar is the only one running who has supported and been
active in fighting for conservative values for the last 30 years at the local,
state, national and international level.
I as a state delegate was never polled on this election. As for myself, I will
definitely be voting for Mike Lee. The negative destorted adds of Bennett will
not help his cause.As for Mitt's influence, not only will I not be
voting for Bennett, but I will not be voting for Mitt if he becomes a candidate
for President either. He has become the endorser of choice for RINO's
Such a laugher -- when the caucus rules were set in place they once favored
incumbents, and don't think for one minute that Bennett was in favor when it
favored him. He just didn't count on an aroused, educated, and motivated
electorate. He thought they would always remain dumbed down and he could keep
his perpetual entitlement as Senator until the day he dies. Wow, after spending
$500,000 in Q1 2010 (ten times more than his next closest competitor), that will
go down as one of the most striking political miscalculations of all time! May
8th will end it all, then the recriminations will be begin -- "the process
cheated me." I can hear it all now. Oh, except I helped create the current
process as a sitting Senator who was consulted for my input by the party back in
the good old days when my opinion mattered and was sought after. . . oh, for
the good old days.
Dear Mr. Bennett - What would you say if we proposed that from now on,
senators are to whittle it down to 2 opposing bills on every issue - and then we
allow the "people" to vote?You would say, "let me do what I was
elected to do." I was elected as a delegate by the people in my
precinct. Let me do what I was elected to do.
"it could raise the question of whether the current convention-primary system...
is actually a fair and open process."Say what!? The DN has the gall
to challenge this process? We live in a Republic, not a Democracy. Yes, we
elect our representatives democratically (hence the term "Democratic Republic"),
but we do not have a Democracy as our political system, and for good reason.If someone can't take the time to participate for 2 hours on 1 night
every 2 years, then they deserve to lose their voice in the process. We elect
representatives all the way down to the precinct level. If you don't like what
the precinct officers (delegates) do, then go and make your voice heard. The
choice to not participate does not make the system unfair, nor is it unfair to
ask you to live with the results. Utah's process is a grassroots as gets in the
US, and I for one, would like to see more states adopt the same system. CO for
example elects its State Delegates from the County Convention. Here in Utah, we
elect State Delegate directly from the precincts, a much fairer and more
let's start at the top .. term two bob .. is now looking for his 4th ?? (a lie
to you and me, misrepresentation of the facts for bennett) and besides he liked
the money and the world travel on lobby money not to mention the lobby money in
his re-election war chestvoted for deregulation of the banking
industry, which lead to the world wide meltdown which lead to the bailout vote
.. wow full circle on the same trillions of dollars subsidizes the
corn industry, which feeds the cows (not grass anymore - money you know) which
cause deaths from ecoli, bennett isnt helping (kinda stalling the corn and beef
lobbyists you know) kevin's law to put some regulation back into the food
industrymonsanto destorying anybody who grows soybeans, bennett
looks the other way ... and federal employees who are the regulators in that
industry are former big whig monsanto employees ..no, utah has
awakened .. bennett (and hatch in 2012) are gone .. the sad thing ..
their lobby groups will hire them and DC business will continue as usualincumbents out .. challengers in good luck to us all
Beg to differ: Utahns and Utah Republicans most definitely do not prefer to
keep Bennett. Bennett's poll numbers are poor, across the board, among every
section of voters or delegates. In none of these polls does he ever get above
50% in approval or votes.I think that most of the new delegates, who
are in favor of a new US Senator from Utah, DO represent the majority of Utahns.
How do you think they were voted as delegates? Do you really think that they
each brought 100 people with them to their caucus meetings to stack the deck?
Most Utahns are ready for something different, something better,
someone who isn't such a big Washington spender like Bennett has been. We
understand that you have to reduce spending in order to get us out of the mess
we're in, and Bennett has an 18 year track record of spending. He had his
chance. Now he will be replaced by someone else.It is the ultimate
hypocrisy to complain about federal debt and spending, and then vote to send
back a guy because he has seniority and can maintain Utah's place at the trough.
Utahns in general prefer to keep Senator Bennett. Utah Republicans prefer to
keep Senator Bennett. State delegates my not prefer to keep Senator Bennett,
and since their supporters attended and the others did not, the passive majority
will only have themselves to blame.
Don't be too hard on Mitt, his support of Bennett is a loyalty thing. He's still
our best hope for the future. To call him a big government guy is just silly. He
pulled both MA and the SL Olympics into the black. He's smart, experienced and
understands the free market. His support of McCain is likely because he thinks
it's better to have him inside the tent kicking the rocks out than outside
kicking them in.
Neil T. I have personally witnessed people on the far right yelling
and screaming about issues and not even listening to answers from their elected
representatives. They appear to be very cynical and hateful people.As an LDS person, I'm ashamed to say many of them are LDS. They don't
represent any of my values any more than someone on the far left does.They are just as dangerous for the country and just as mean spirited. The
radical right and radical left are two peas in a pod. They have no civility or
dignity in them, and figure the ends always justify the means.Take
heart, America will not be ruled by thuggish individuals who would force their
view on others and to whom the ends always justify the means.I also
agree with "thoughtful voter" that a majority, even at convention have always
been reasonable and thoughtful citizens doing their civic duty. However, it
appears many this year are being unduly influenced by groundless claims and the
clamor of the perpetually angry.
I would love to see a Bridgewater/Lee primary, and "force" the people to
actually research the candidates instead of doing the typical lazy thing of just
voting for the incumbent.I'm a first time delegate, first time
caucus meeting attender, first time involved in anything political. I got
involved specifically because months ago I realized that things were going the
wrong way in our country, and if people like me didn't get involved, then we
deserve our fate.I took a close look at what I could do here in Utah
to help get things back on track, researched the issues and the candidates, and
determined that the delegate process was the way to go. I took the effort, put
in the time, campaigned, brought people to vote for me, and got the state
delegate position.All with one specific intent: Do all I can to see
that we have a new senator from Utah, because Bob Bennett is BAD for Utah and
BAD for the US. He will spend us into oblivion if send him back. He is a big
part of the problem. See you at convention Bob. There will be no
I was there as a delegate. I can tell you Bennett is done. Nobody wants any part
of him. He has lost all credibility, nothing left. His campaign people couldn't
give his stickers away or pay people to take them. If he is really lucky he will
finish third. He is the first choice of very few and the second choice of none.
If there is a second round those whose candidate lost won't support Bennett,
they will go with someone else. He brought this on himself when he decided to be
22% for Bennett...That sounds about right considering that about 20% of the
delegates are the "lifers", Those that have been elected to office, and with
that honor comes a lifetime appointment to be a Utah GOP State Delegate. This
would correspond with the list of supporters put out in a mailing by Bob Bennett
touting the list of former and present Utah Gov., Mayors, County Commissioners,
Sheriffs-etc. This is the old (business as usual) UT GOP group that doesn't get
it. Me? I am part of the 70-80% that are first time State Delegates.
I support Mike Lee but if would have no problem voting for any of the other
challengers for Bennett's seat in a second or third round of voting. As for
Although I have not real problem with Bob Bennett, I have to admit that his anti
Mike Lee ads are really tacky. They make Bennett look desperate and nasty. I
will have no problem if Bennett is re-elected and everyone must know that his
seniority will be of great benenfit to the state. But, those anti Mike Lee ads
could kill him.
Everyone needs to understand...Many of those who attend caucuses and get elected
as Republican delegates are far-right people, many of whom could not even be
called Republicans. Some of them actually go back and work in other parties
after the convention. This has been a problem in several counties for some
time. In Utah County, the far-right has been trying to take over our party for
many years.If Bennett can survive the convention, he has an
excellent chance of winning the primary where mostly actual Republicans will be
voting.And to gogosian 2061...it is only in recent years that
Republican primaries have been closed. They used to be wide open to anyone who
wanted to vote in them. Fear caused the party to close the primary a few years
ago because they were afraid Democrats would effect our primaries. At that
point, Democrats hardly ever had primaries.It's unfair to compare
Bennett to Cannon. Bennett has done a much better job--Cannon was an
incompetent guy who should never have been elected to begin with.
The DN seems to have done a puff piece in support of Sen Bennett, in an attempt
to help save him, much as they did two years ago for Rep. Cannon. Also, in case
you have forgotten the Jones Poll was off in that primary by about 20%. They
indicated that the 3rd CD primary could go either way, but Chaffetz won by about
20%. At this point, the delegate count is all that matters. If only
21.5% favor Bennett, his candidacy is a lost cause, and he could very easily
loose on the first ballot, but certainly by the second. There could still be a
primary, but Sen Bennett would not be in it.The reason for this is
the high number of "anyone but Bennett" delegates. Very few of those supporting
other candidates when their candidate has dropped out will support Sen. Bennett.
They will simply vote for one of the other remaining candidates, making it
difficult for Bennett to rise much above the 21.5% given here. If he doesn't get
at least 40% at the Convention, he will not be in the primary or on the
Republican Ballot this fall.
Bail Out Bob got booed at my convention. Mike Lee and Bridgewater got some great
cheers. Mrs. Eagars arguement of "please elect me so I as a conservative woman
can neutralize the liberal women sneators" just did NOT fly with me. Lee and
Bridgewater are the only REAL choices.
Cannon thought he would kill Chaffetz in the primary 2 years ago. Turns out the
delegates actually do represent the voters, and Chaffetz won the primary by an
even bigger margin than the convention...20+ points. Bennett should not feel too
confident right now.
re:Orem NativeI was also a delegate at the Utah County Convention
yesterday and can attest to the fact that many of the people who attend are
thoughtful and sane. Sure, some are nuts and some are loud and some are
obnoxious -- and an annoying minority are, indeed, all three.But
most are just regular citizens with no political ambition sincerely trying to do
their 'civic duty'. They listened to all the GOP Senatorial candidates (there
are 8 this year!) and though Bennett gave the most relevant and specific speech
I've heard him give in his career, those same delegates voted overwhelmingly
against him. He came in a clear fourth place (not third as some have suggested
above). I would have put him fifth. Maybe sixth. Certainly not the worst.Bob Bennett is not doing a 'great job', however. In his speech he could
only take credit for sometimes voting the party line (like any of the candidates
would do!). He is not a leader. He does not inspire. He does not research
issues thoroughly enough to get out there and make a difference.It's
time to release him with a vote of thanks.
I was a delegate at the Utah County Convention yesterday and can attest to the
fact that many of the people who attend are nuts. Only here would Bennett be
labeled a liberal. I don't think most Republicans in Utah are that crazy, just
the loudest and most obnoxious ones. Unfortunately, they're also the ones that
attend the convention. You are doing a great job, Senator. This level-headed
Utahan is behind you.
I tried to get elected as a Bennett delegate. It was obvious I didn't stand a
chance. The Utah Republican party is being taken over by right wing anti
government extremists who don't represent me or the majority of Utahns. They
are hateful people with a mean spirit about them. I will vote for the
democratic candidate rather than any of Bennett's challengers. God save Utah
from the right wing Republicans. Utah doesn't need their hate and fear
mongering. We are a better people than that. And God bless our immigrant
brothers and sisters in the gospel. They deserve our love and support, not our
hate and predjudice.
People should support the candidate of their choice, not use ad-hominem attacks
without basis against a candidate. Apparently, many delegates made up their
minds prior to the caucus meetings without even listening to the candidates
first. Instead some appear to listen to outside special interest groups with
ulterior motives, who use demagoguery and obfuscation to defeat strong
Republican incumbents. A delegate has a unique opportunity for direct access to
Regarding the conservative and effective Senator's in this state, and limited by
space, I'll give you just one example each for Bennett & Hatch of how they have
been effective.Bennett, a member of the Senate Energy and Natural
Resources Committee, helped pass a Utah/federal land swap bill last year after
four years of effort. This increased revenue to the School trust fund, protected
sensitive lands and opened others to energy and other private uses. Bennett is
an expert on land use issues and it would be a shame to lose his experience
here.After pushing the Justice Department for months, Senator Hatch
got the first immigration enforcement court in Utah history that has grown to
two judges in five years. Since 1998 he has brought, quick response teams, a
field office director, enhanced enforcement, a 287 G program allowing local law
enforcement to work with federal immigration agents in enforcement and recently
expedited shared communities in Utah which allows local law enforcement to
share biometric information with federal immigration agents. Looks
like Utah's Senators have been busy effectively addressing issues of great
importance to Utahns.
I was at the Utah County Convention. Delegates are well educated about the
issues and the candidates and take their job very seriously. They know they are
representing their neighbors. I am personally an independent, but I register
republican so that I can be part of the process, not excluded from it. My
leanings are conservative fiscally, so that works for me. But I have been a
politics junkie since 1968 when as an 8 year old I watched the national
conventions on TV, fascinated. Through the years I've written to presidents,
senators, congressmen, representatives, and governors. Bennett, by the way, only
answers me during election years. The Utah political system allows each citizen
to be as involved or as uninvolved as he or she likes. It gives the citizenry
immediate access to the process if desired. While Utah as a state has four
parties: extreme republicans, independent republicans, party-line republicans,
and token democrats--and this is out of balance--the actual system for putting
people in office works.
By the way, Bob Bennet's negative ads about Mike Lee have indeed settled my
opinion... I will be voting for Mike Lee... I pray he retains the level of
gentlemanly behaviour he has presently engaged in and doesn't stoop to the
negative level.. don't do it Mike... it is hurting Bob...
I'm a State delegate from St. George. I can tell you that at our caucus meeting
there were about 55 people that showed up. (Three times the amount of two years
ago). Of that 55 there were 2 in attendance that supported Bennett and one of
them said Bob (Mr. Burns) Bennett is the only name she had heard....It is to bad that so many people can't see through Romney...The fact that he
is not only backing Bennett but will be "Nominating" Bob Bennett at the
convention should put people, not only in Utah but in the Republican Party in
general, That Mitt Just Don't Get it.I ask you. If Mitt Romney was
President. Would the size of the Federal Government continue to grow Larger???
Well the answer is 'Heck Yes'....He is backing big government/spenders like Bob
Bennett...Now isn't He!?I will not be one of those at the convention
that will go all Ga-Ga when Mitt takes the stand---I tell ya' what!
In the case of the incumbant, look at his record on illegal immigration. That
should tell you all you need to know about whether he represents the 75-80% of
citizens - who want illegal immigration stopped.As far as the rest
of them, look at their positions on the same subject. That puts Bridgewater
out, and Lee right behind him. Neither appears willing to support the will of
the citizens in this issue. One must ask why....
It's my understanding that Bridgewater has a very high percentage of second
choice votes. If he continues gaining momentum, I see no reason why he can't
pick off Bennett and then the whole thing goes to a Primary where all voters
within the party would be able to chose their new leadership. The
voters in general have made it clear they don't want Bennett. The best thing
for delegates to do is make it a Bridgewater/Lee Primary.
The poll is interesting since there has only been two recent polls at County
Conventions of county delegates, both showing Bennett in 3rd or 4th place behind
Cherilyn Eagar, who was in 2nd place for both straw polls. That was in Weber
County and Utah County.Bennett got 3rd place in Weber County and 4th Place
in Utah County. I remind myself with how far off Dan Jones was 2
years ago when he polled Chaffetz a distant 3rd place.
My prediction - based on previous observation: Bennett will finish second, smear
Lee in the primary, and win re-election.His father was a Senator.
He grew up in D.C. He represents Utah the way Karl Malone does, i.e. not much.
As a new resident to Utah and a state delegate this year, I am convinced that
the delegate process is better than the primary system in the state I left.
Every other delegate I know has met with, seriously analyzed, and assessed the
candidates to drill them on the issues that matter to the delegate and to the
comments expressed by their neighbors at the caucus meetings. In my opinion,
primary systems elect people with the best ad campaign, money, or soundbites,
while the delegate system allows citizens to elect people based on the issues.
I truly hope Utah never goes to a primary system as the caliber of candidates
I can only speak for myself -- as a state delegate this year, believe me, Mitt
Romney's impact is zero, and The Club for Growth's impact is zero, the Tea Party
is zero, the 9/12 initiative is zero, and so is the influence of anyone else who
attempts to influence my vote. My mind was settled in January. I
endorsed Mike Lee. That's why I went to my caucus with the express purpose of
supporting my candidate and got myself elected.What many fail to
recognize is that political power resides with the people who care enough to
caucus. The system is wide open, and there is zero manipulation in a state that
prides itself on individualism and independent thought. The Bennett
phenomenon in Utah is only the canary in the mineshaft this year -- it is a
pattern that is going to repeat itself again and again throughout the country.
Congress richly deserves its low approval ratings, and the tsunami
that starts at the Utah State Republican Nominating Convention on May 8th is
finally going to clear the beach of the jetsam and flotsam that has accumulated
over the years with career politicians, Bob Bennett among them.
Dear aceroinox,While I agree in sentiment, it is a false notion
that all conventions were adamantly against Bennet. As a State delegate, I
have listened to very many who said that at the caucus they wanted Bennet. One
even told me that someone was not elected a delegate because he said he would
not vote for anyone but Bennet. So, your info is incorrect. Other than that
one thing, you are correct.
The people who attend the caucuses typically have a higher level of engagement
in the political process. They study candidates and issues. Because of that
they make more informed decisions long before the glitzy ads flood the news
print and airwaves a month before an election.The delegates elected
at caucus meetings spend time attending functions where they interact
face-to-face with the candidates. In these forums, detailed questions are asked
and candidates can engage in lengthy discussions about their philosophies and
outline proposals.Given that level of engagement and understanding,
it's little wonder that so many of the delegates indicate they are not going to
give any support to Senator Bennett. They know his record: what he has done and
what he hasn't done. They've made an informed decision.Is the
caucus system unfair? Any registered Republican can attend caucus meetings. To
suggest that those who take the time to engage in this effort don't represent
the will of the people is lame. Nonattendance indicates abdication of input,
essentially delegating the decision to those who take the time to engage in the
process and educate themselves on the issues and the candidates.
WHEN WILL UTAH INDEPENDENTS BE PERMITTED TO ACTUALLY VOTE IN PRIMARY
ELECTIONS?IS NOT THE CURRENT "Utah closed primary system" a blatant
and callous violation of national voting rights, on its face?A LOT
OF "non-partisans" are military war veterans!BEING DENIED[!] OUR
"right to vote" IS ASSUREDLY NOT(!) WHAT WE SERVED OVERSEAS -- in uniform &
during wartime -- to guarantee on our homecomings!
The crazies are out. Only in Utah would Bennett be seen as a liberal. Bennett
is well respected and Utah's only appropriator in Congress. Yes, I'm sure he's
involved in lots and lots of conspiracies to undo the Constitution and our free
market capitalist system. Yea, right. More Kool Aid, anyone?
Bennett should not have hitched his wagon to the RINO party.....he and Orrin are
It's no surprise that registered voters are lagging behind delegates in their
realization that Bob Bennett should go. Most delegates have invested the time
and effort to get to know the candidates and are pretty well-informed. I'm not a
delegate this year, but have been in the past, and you get plenty of
opportunities to assess strengths and weaknesses. The many voters
don't really fully engage until it's time for their role in the primary stage.
The few that do are the ones who went to their caucuses and elected the state
delegates, most of whom pledged in their meetings to not vote for Senator
Bennett at convention.If you want a real eye-opener, Google
Transatlantic Policy Network, and read up on Senator Bennett's role in this
organization over the last 20 years. Then do some checking into the key thinkers
that have influenced TPN's thinking and agenda over the decades. This is a group
dedicated to creating a transatlantic market, similar to the European Market,
where trade decisions are optimized for the good of the whole, not any one
nation within. Scare you? If not, it should!
The Republican Party Central committee seems to manipulate things the way they
want without regard sometimes even to the individual precincts. This year was a
shocker in that regard.It will be interesting with the dynamics of a
Mitt Romney, if the delegates will have enough backbone to follow the voices of
those who attended the caucus meetings and made it very clear we want an new
Senator, instead of getting caught up in the shadow of a great leader like Mitt
Romney and listening to one voice instead of many.
Two weeks out and still no clear winner, sounds like a primary to me, let's just
hope it's Lee and Bridgewater, not Bennett.Stinkin' Romney.