Judge signs death warrant
Hey,Prunes, I liked your little analysis, but I think you are in error. I
figure just about 6% ofthose born in 1961, when Mr. Gardner was born,
havedied. I base this on 30 years of religiously reading the death
notices in the Chicago Tribune. I'm 64 years old, and I've been checking out
the death notices for over 30 years now, and althoughmy table is
unscientific, it's based on 30 years ofobservation. My unscientific
mortality table is shown below: Age Brackets with %ages dying in
each bracket:0-39 40's 50's 60's 70's 80's 90's 100+ 1% 5% 11% 13% 27% 30% 12% 1%By
my table, those born in 1961, would have died either in the age bracket 0-39 or
in the 40's bracket, and the sum of those 2 would be 1%+5%=6%.Thus, I
believe 94% of those born the same year asMr. Gardener are still alive.
Hey, Prunes, I liked your little mathematical analysis. My favorite section of
the newspaper isthe death notices, and I always check out the ages of the
deceased. I've kind of made an unscientificmortality table, but I think
it's pretty accurate:AGE BRACKETS & PROBABILITY OF DYING IN EACH
BRACKET________________________________________________ 0-39, 40'S,
50'S, 60'S, 70'S, 80'S, 90'S, 100+ 1% 5% 11% 13% 27%
30% 12% 1%By my table, the %age of those born 49 years ago,in 1961, when Ronnie Lee Gardner was born, who wouldhave already passed
away, would be 6% (1% + 5%).I think 94% of those born on after 1961 are
still alive. Like I said, my table is unscientific, butit's based on over
30 years of religiously readingthe death notices. It's my favorite part
of the newspaper.
I'm against capital punishment, but if it's going toexist, then take it
seriously. 25 years is a joke. If the state can't execute you in 5 years, you
should automatically have your sentence commuted to life without parole. The
state has to act responsibly, and 25 years of procrastination is irresponsible.
Correction to 2:57 entry:...has outlived 45% of his class, not 55%...sorry for
At the CDR (crude death rate) in the United States in year 2000 of 8.9, at this
time an average of 45 percent of MR Gardener's 1st grade class has passed beyond
the vail. This is for an American of 49 years of age. That means that little
Suzy that sat to his left and little Johnny who sat behind him in Mrs Goodkind's
class are already dead. Mr Gardner has already outlived 55% of his class due to
the fairness doctrine directed in the "American System of Jurisprudence". You do
the math. Go figure.
I have to wonder if his choosing the firing squad is to make this whole process
just a little harder. In many ways, those who carry out this execution will
also be victims of his crimes.
I want to commend the Deseret News for the intelligent and comprehensive
coverage of this important event compared to the rather brief and cursory
coverage that the Salt Lake Tribune undertook. When the national newspapers,
such as The Washington Post, USA Today, AP wire services provide the same or
more converage, it probably is an indication of the event's importance. That
the Salt Lake Tribune seemed to overlook this fact even though a lot more
comments were posted on their website, is a mystery to me. Deseret News you
continue to impress me in this regards.
FIRING SQUAD IS TO GOOD FOR HIM!He should be made to listen to a continous
loop of Orin Hatch records!
RE: Money Man, "What does the firing suad have to do with(Mormon)heritage?"Elder Bruce R.McConkie,"Man may commit certain grievous sins-according to his
light and knowledge-that will place him beyond the reach of the atoning blood of
Christ. If then he would be saved he must make sacrifice of his own life to
atone-so far as in his power lies-for that sin, for the blood of Christ alone
under certain circumstances will not avail." (Mormon Doctrine) "blood atonement"
Justice is not about deterrent, nor is it concerned about expense. Justice is
about deserts, as in "just deserts".To address a familiar platitude
of the anti-death penalty crowd: No, not all life is sacred. The life of a
murderer is not sacred. Murderers deserve to die. Period. No hand-wringing, no
fatuous op-ed columns about the terrible burden of an execution. The only burden
of an execution is the burden of proof of guilt. Once that's established,
convicted murderers should be dispatched without delay, without comfort, without
ceremony and without remorse.And yes, it is seemly for us to
celebrate murderers' deaths as we mourn their victims. This is not blood lust,
as the sanctimonious anti-death penalty crowd claims. In fact, the supreme price
we exact for murder indicates the supreme value we place upon life. It is what
makes us civilized. Let the Europeans coddle their killers. They are the true
barbarians. The only barbarity about the death penalty is the
interminable appeals process imposed on it.
Those who don't think capital punishment is not a deterrant, think about this.
Gardner won't kill anyone else. He is deterred.
By saying you are against the death penalty you are saying you are against
justice for the victim and the victims life is not as valuable as the
murderer.If it was enforced murders would go down. And modern
revelation to LDS Liberal Doctrine and Covenants 49 Thou shalt not kill. But he
that kills shall die. So that is in modern scripture too.
Critical Thought - having hate in my heart is just as bad as multiple cold
blooded murders?? You really believe that?? Your comments seem quite hate
filled, accordingly you should be happy to serve life in prison if you really
mean what you say.Cougar Blue - I agree that as currently practiced,
capital punishment is meaningless. California has around 600 on death row, it
is unlikely there will be a single execution, they will all die of natural
causes. In reading of almost bizarre angles that defense attys take
in capital punishment cases, I wonder how much they are motivated by justice and
how much they are motivated by their hourly billing rate, paid by taxpayers.
Re: CriticalThis penalty isn't being used as deterrant. It's being used
too dispose of a violent, awful member of society that has performed an awful
act by taking the life of another individual. Gardner "chose" this road,
I stand strongly against the death penalty. It isn't shown to be a deterrant,
nor does it save society money. Violence begats violence. Your pathetic little
minds disgust me. Revenge, revenge, blah, blah, blah. Yes he did something
horrible. But, the hate in your hearts is just as bad.
25 years?ARE YOU KIDDING ME?!?!?!This is THE reason that
capital punishment, as it's carried out now, does not work.Try them
and if they're found guilty, appeal it once (if they wish) and then execute
them. ALL should be done within 6-12 months of catching them and throwing them
in jail.Will there occasionally be innocent people executed?Yes.However, the murder rate would drop like a rock once
would-be murderes understand the reality of if you murder and are caught you
WILL be executed. Quick.
Could someone explain to me why he has the "right" to decide how it will be
done? Didn't he lose his rights when he decided to committ such an awful crime?
gardner is pathetic.
I find some of the comments on this post horrifying!What is wrong
with the people who are not for executing this murdering piece of garbage? He
took two lives, maybe more, and still you want to keep him for life? He spent 25
years eluding the executioner's services - its way past time for him to dance.
Giving him attention in this way is horrible. Making an event of his final
execution date and allowing him to be the focal character in the show is not
justice. There will never truly be justice for this man, but he should be made
to even the scales as much as possible, and that means it is time for him to
Capitial punishment is not meant as a deterrent, but as a
punishment.NO punishment is meant as a detrrent,Punishment is meant as means to retroactively bring about justice for
criminal actions,to make right again that which was wrong,to clean the slate.UNfortunately some cases are so severe there
is not way we can restore what was taken and also effect some punitive
measure.If you want "deter" someone then teach themn morals
and values and principles.IT is a good to see some sort of
JUSTICE finally happening.
Blood Atonement will not save his soul. Mainly because he did an unpardonable
sin, that of taking an innocent life, one of the tennents of the Church.
Some comments here are shocking to me...I'm not excusing Gardner for
anything, he is accountable for his transgression against the law and for taking
the lives of his victims, but some posts here are hateful and vengeful and the
feelings behind the comments are as evil as the feelings as the sinner himself.
Don't excuse his act, but don't spit on him and wish "the pain of a bullet in
the heart" or "just put him to death." Be the better man/woman.
To the best of my knowledge-asking those who know about LDS faith- the only
atonement for taking a life is by spilling blood in the atonement, ie firing
squad. Don't know for sure, but there is a small pamphlet put out by LDS church
about blood atonement.
I'd like to add one other perspective to this discussion - that capital
punishment is consistent with the religious concept of repentance. Restitution
is a requirement for repentance and tru rehabilitation. For some actions,
restitution is not possible and must take another form. Fortunately, for Bro.
Gardner, the state is making it possible for him.
Re: JBearYes, it does cost more money to carry out an execution than a
life sentence, but it doesn't mean the answer to that is to abolish it all
together. I'm all for abolishing the ridiculous number of appeals they're
allowed to make and the fact that it can take 25+ years to carry out the
sentence. I'm sure there are plenty of ways to take out cost in the process and
make it an even cheaper method of punishment for those that murder.I
would't go as far as to say there is "NO" rehabilitation in our prison systema
but I do agree that there is room for improvment. Also, can you really quantify
that capital punishment is not a deterrent? If you're right, then once again
that's not reason enough to get rid of it. If it's not an effective deterrent,
then we're doing it wrong. Expedite the process. Put it on display so that there
is no doubt as to what the consequence for murder can be. Should we
just release all prisoners, abolish all punishment, because in your eyes, it's
@JBear, I'm in agreement with most of what you said, but one question for
you...Why would you assert (by way of a rhetorical question) that
murderers are not afraid of the death penalty? That doesn't explain why so many
of them -- who have given up protesting their guilt -- still fight like crazy to
get the death penalty commuted to life imprisonment. It says to me that many of
them are as scared as little girls of dying. I don't know if they think it will
hurt, or if they're afraid of the judgment they'll face in their faith. A lot
of them have committed crimes with a high "bully syndrome" quotient: real big
man while they're armed an in control of their victim, but also really an
insecure child inside. The only ones I can respect at all are those
who "man up" and take their medicine. But 25 years of appeals is all too often
The people that benfit the most from capital punishment is the lawyers. 25 years
on death row is ridiculous.
Sheesh, do some research.It costs immensely more to carry out a death
sentence (millions of dollars in court costs) than it does to house a prisoner
for life.Uncle Rico: thou shalt not judgeJasonlivy: show
me ANY proof that capital punishment contributes to a "civil society".Money Man: his Mormon comment was an important (to him, thus the story) part
of him deciding the means by which he will die. Just because we don't
understand, doesn't mean it shouldn't be printed.All: our prison
system is horrendous. There is almost NO rehabilitation. And capital
punishment isn't effective as a deterrent. If a guy is willing to gun down a
bunch of innocent people, do you think he's afraid of the death penalty? I
Several of the comments on this page horrify me. I may have misunderstood
his intended meaning slightly, but "jasonlivy" seems to be suggesting that a
death penalty is necessary in order to maintain a civil society. This is
patently untrue, as there are many societies that remain civil without a death
penalty. "chuckles55", I appreciate that you care about Gardner's victims,
but your comment is sadistic, grotesque and offensive. Almost as sadistic,
grotesque and offensive as the very concept of death by firing squad. I'm no too
up on my bible knowledge, but I'm pretty sure God's not too keen on murder,
regardless of whether the person committing it is doing so against the laws of
whatever country he happens to live in, or to uphold those laws. Surely even the
most fervently religious among you can see the hypocrisy inherent in punishing a
murderer by murdering him. It's not worth getting into "RichN"'s ideas for
improving society. They're so ridiculous that I half-suspect he's kidding.
Facts of the matter. This man has been found guilty of murder. He
has been on appeal for 25 years. The method, really, is a moot point. He has lived 25 more years than his victims.
You have all said what needs to be said in this case, and I would like to see
our pharmacist's comment expanded, ("...why has not the Fed. Gov. set up a 3 or
5 panel of Federal Judges, ... to hear nothing but appeals from prisoners ....
Then maybe it would not take years for an appeal to be hear[d], but rather cut
the time down to months.") seriously our Gov. should look into this. In some cases even having the added measure of on sight killing and clean up
squads. This helps with unemployment, by giving jobs to a few people, and clear
out those that are truly worthy of exit from this life to the one beyond. Frees
up prison space too. Also this would move taxes from the paying years of keeping
convicted killers alive in prison, to paying people to do a dirty job, but
they'll also pay taxes. From months we could go down to weeks and really put
some fear into the desire to kill without cause. Bye gangs and
I attended the funeral for a very good man, Sgt Mel Otterstrom, whose life was
cut short by Mr. Gardner. A second was also taken because of this man's lack of
care about who he hurts. It's too bad that his children (now grown and educated
in the realities of their father's plight) will have to learn to understand
about life and death by firing squad. It's time for Mr. Gardner to feel a
little of the fear that his victims may have experienced, to feel the fleeting
pain of a bullet in the heart and to meet his maker so he can begin paying the
real price for his behavior. Our justice system is a good one and usually
gets it right, even though, at times, it appears that it won't. Mr. Gardner,
your time is up.
NOT_Scared: you represent a God-less people.For you, this world is it, and
there is no more after this life.Before you start calling people fools,
you might want to give credit to those who have lived a disciplined life who
have contemplated God, Scriptures and the meaning of man's existence and who
have paid the price to understand what occurs beyond this life. Rather than
listening to your own Godless ramblings based on years of doing whatever is
He talks about his Mormon Heritage, lets get something stright on this 1) if he
had been true to his beliefs he would not be at this point. 2) I'm pretty sure
that he is NOT a mormon anymore. 3) WHAT does the firing squad have to do with
heritage? 4) WHy would the Deseret news even put that in this story? Let the
Law take care of this and leave the Church out of this. It is a poor writer
that can not put an article together with out somehow draging Mormon in to the
Are any of you readers getting off this planet alive? All you fools have done is
to shorten his sentence and reduce his punishment.
I suggest Brian David Mitchell recieved the same punishment if he is convicted
of his crimes. but wait, he might try to sing at his exacution.
The time has come. We, as tax payers, demand justice in this case.
We, as a people, demand that people who kill other people for selfish reasons,
without proof of self defense, should receive punishment. He needs to take
personal responsibility for his actions! He shot these people. What rights did
they have? I have no sympathy for Gardner, but I do for his victims. Anyone who
thinks differently than this does not understand justice nor mercy. All I can say is May God have Mercy on his Soul...When a person
does this, we demand that they are punished according to the law. The law states
that anyone who commits such crimes be put to death. THIS IS ABSOLUTELY
NECESSARY FOR A CIVIL SOCIETY! We, as a people, uphold this decision as ruled by
a court of law and a jury of his peers. Unless there is new evidence to the
contrary (which has been shown to nauseam that there isn't) he should be
executed under the law.That time has finally come...
Do we know when the execution will take place?
Let's get this over with and stop using taxpayer money on this guy.
Giantfan hit the nail right on the head... I agree with you 100%
I know it would cost money up front, but why has not the Fed. Gov. set up a 3 or
5 panel of Federal Judges, under the Supriem court to hear nothing but appeals
from prisoners in all 50 states. Then maybe it would not take years for an
appeal to be hear, but rather cut the time down to months.
He is wasting our tax dollars...just put the man to death.
"[Burdell] would not have wanted to be the reason Ronnie Lee was executed"There's no reason to worry about that. Ronnie Lee Gardner will be the
reason why Ronnie Lee Gardner is executed. Burdell was the victim and Gardner
committed a captial crime which carries the death penalty. Let's put the blame
squarely on the individual that deserves it. Time to reap the consequences.