Not likely, especially when Utah's in the Pac 12 and TCU is in the Big 12. BYU
and Boise don't make a auto-qualifier.
I hope the MWC teams will stay put and get that bid. All of this talk of
expansion is ridiculous.The Pac-10 is worse than the MWC in both
football and basketball right now. Why would any of our teams want
to join them?If it is about $$$, which it usually is, then stay put.
You'll get your share.
re: royalmidnightIt won't matter whether Utah and TCU leave the MWC
or not.The 2008 and 2009 seasons are already in the books and will
count towards the MWC receiving AQ status.
I wouldn't mind seeing Utah leave the MWC. The conference will still get a
automatic bid and we won't have to worry about those Utes and their unfair play.
I think even Utah fans can admit there are questionable calls in a
lot of games against BYU, like the 2008 football game. I hate to say there's a
biased but it makes you wonder...
Sorry Cosmo's Cousin, but I have to disagree.The Utes may be bitter
rivals of the Cougars, but they don't play unfair. There are always questionable
calls in every game, but the vast majority of officials try to call things as
fairly as possible.
Re: Cosmo's Cousin....Please ban yourself from any further STUPID remarks.
Whether the refs make bad calls or not, doesn't mean the Utes "play
unfairly".Second, if you have to whine, go do it on the YBU articles.
Why would the PAC want UT? Their football attendance is poor, the fan base does
not travel well, the stadium is small, the basket ball team is down and the PAC
11 sounds strange.I live in the Big 12. There is no talk of adding
TCU (well maybe in Utah).
@ Cosmo's Cousin | 9:29 p.m. April 21, 2010 You want to bring up how
games are ref'd now and somehow insinuate that BYU was picked on in the 2008
game? Hall's five obvious inteceptions and lost fumble cost YBU the game - not
referring.Bias? Get overself and the loss.@ Bugoff |
12:32 a.m. April 22, 2010 Either you don't realize you have no clue
what you are talking about or your are purposely misrepresenting the truth. I
hope it's the former and not the latter.Utah's football attendance
has average numbers exceeding RES official seating capacity for the past three
years. Attendance is fine and is higher on average than the PAC 10's Washington
State, Oregon State, and Stanford. Nothing earth shattering, but we hold our
own in the stands and more importantly on the football field.
I for one wish all the speculation about MWC teams leaving and going to other
conferences would stop. Twenty years ago, BYU fans were confident they would be
invited to the PAC 10. Now the talk is about Utah and TCU leaving. Until there
is CREDIBLE news to this effect, let's move past this tired subject.As far as the Cosmo's Cousin post - you're talking about the game when Utah
beat BYU by 24, right? The game when Hall threw five picks? Don't embarrass
yourself. Complaining about officiating when you get beat by 3+ touchdowns is
the epitome of whining, and I expect most BYU fans cringe when they read your
I'll believe the BCS expands when it happens, not before. Why would they dilute
their financial interest unless the heat is so intense they are afraid their
monopoly will crumble, which I don't think it is. And adding the MWC still does
not solve the problem. You still have other excluded programs that are worthy,
including Boise State and Cincinnati.
Uh, Esquire, check it out - Cincinnati is already in a BCS Conference. They got
their BCS bowl by winning the Big East.
Either way this doesn't matter. If we get an invite from the PAC 10, fine. If
we stay in the MWC, that's fine too. Utah is quickly earning a reputation on
the football field that transcends the conference we play in.@
Utah'95 | 5:58 a.m. April 22, 2010 We are beyond the point of mere
speculation. The PAC 10 knows they need to expand their TV market and the
conference footprint to avoid loosing too much ground to the SEC, Big 10 and Big
12. The new PAC 10 commission was hired specifically to help them catch up to
these conferences where the former allowed them to fall behind. He has publicly
spoken about expanding the conference and is performing his due diligence to see
if it is viable for them. If it is viable for them, then they are extremely
limited to what teams they could successfully target - Utah, Colorado, BYU and
Boise State. If they expands, odds are minimum 50% in our favor that we would
be selected, but in reality they odds are higher than this.But
again, whatever happens with the PAC 10, Utah will be fine.
Don't anybody hold their breath.
Likely scenario:To quell playoff talk and remove the pressure the
MWC is putting on the BCS, the BCS will add the Cotton Bowl to the mix in 2012,
giving the BCS five bowls, plus the BCS championship game. The BCS will then add
the MWC as an AQ conference.The Big Ten is leading the conference
expansion parade, and whatever the Big Ten does will have a domino affect on
every conference.If the Big Ten expands to 16 teams, as some have
speculated, adding Syracuse, Rutgers, Pittsburgh, Notre Dame, and Missouri, the
domino affect could lead to the Big East conference disappearing entirely (for
football), and the formation of eight 16-team super conferences.With
10 teams in the PAC 10, and 9 teams in the MWC and WAC, that's 28 teams. Two
16-team conferences would be 32 teams.
The MWC would suffer some if Utah and TCU left. Picking up BSU would ease a lot
of that pain. I would trade Utah for BSU in a heartbeat though. The MWC would
not lose anything in football (I think BSU actually has a stronger argument for
quality wins and consitency)and now that Utah's basketball team is bad and only
getting worse, BSU is clearly better. Of course, Utah's gymnastics are better.
BSU has better tennis.Those clamoring for a BCS bid for the MWC are
like dogs fighting for scraps of food from the table. Being a "BCS" conference
team doesn't necessarily get MWC teams a shot at the NC, just a BCS game. We
need a playoff. Ask TCU and BSU how much they like getting less money and no
respect for playing each other.
As a BYU and Utah fan, I would hate to see Utah leave the MWC. The BYU-Utah
rivalry is one of the best in college football. Their proximity and the quality
of both programs make this a terrific game every year. Sorry BYU fans, but
losing Utah would significantly degrade the MWC and diminish the overall
competitiveness of the conference.Personally, I kind of like things
just the way they are now. Hopefully the MWC will get an automatic bid and the
money issue will straighten itself out. Whether or not that happens, I will
still enjoy watching the games. If the MWC doesn't get any love on the national
scene then who cares. It is their loss.
AQ BCS status or not, teams in small media markets have an uphill battle to get
into a BCS championship game. The polls still dictate who plays, and the
majority of people voting in the polls are in the large media markets.Washington State doesn't have any better chance of playing for a National
Championship than Boise State.
Would Utah still want to join the PAC 10 if the MWC becomes an AQ BCS
conference?Battling BYU, TCU and Air Force for a BCS bid.orBatttling USC, UCLA, Washington, Oregon, Oregon State,
California, Arizona, and Arizona State.
Utes: Let Utah go to the Pac-10, we all know that conference is weaker than the
MWC especially in football and basketball now.
The big east is better than the mtn worst and wacPittLouisvilleCincinattiRutgersWest VirginiaSouth
Wow, A lot of bitter, insecure Kewgar fans. I hope that in time you come to some
type of acceptance that no BCS conference wants you — no matter how many
wins or how many fans you have. Yes Kewgars, it’s a popularity contest
and the Utes are simply the more attractive team. Deal with it.
I would very much prefer being a member of the Pac-12 as opposed to the MWC
because the competition is much greater. Just think of how much better it would
be having UCLA, Arizona, and Oregon coming into RES as opposed to Wyoming,
Colorado State, and New Mexico. The basketball program would also receive a
much needed shot in the arm.
I can almost guarantee that if Utah goes to the PAC 10, which they very well
might do, that they will not get to a BCS games for years, if ever. Just ask
Arizona, ASU, Cal, Stanford, etc. etc. etc. Utah is not or never will be that
good.Boise State and MWC teams will continue to go and thrive in the
re: hedgehogWhat a surprise. Another juvenile tantrum from the
verbal spitwad shooter.Someday, maybe, you should try joining in on
the discussion. Today's topic is the MWC becoming an AQ BCS
conference in 2012.With or without Utah, the MWC will be an AQ
conference in 2012.
@ IDC | 10:11 a.m. April 22, 2010 "(I think BSU actually has a
stronger argument for quality wins and consitency)"I would LOVE to
hear this argument from, because I feel nothing could be further from the truth.
If you want to talk quality wins vs. BcS or non-BcS schools since
the inception of the BcS in 1998, then Utah clearly takes the cake. Do you
realize Boise State's first road win against a BcS school ever came in 2008
versus Oregon? That's it. The year before this in 2007, Boise State lost 24-10
to a 4-9 Washington team. It wasn't even close. Utah has three times as many
wins versus BcS schools in the BcS era than Boise State. Since 1998, Boise
State is 6-13 versus BcS schools; Utah is 19-11.And Boise State and
never played and beaten down a team the caliber of Alabama. Even OU in 2006
wasn't the caliber of team Alabama was in 2008 and Utah dominated them.So PUH-LEEZE give me your argument about Boise State's better quality of wins.
Consistency? Against the WAC? Okay ...
The way the BCS will avoid having to expand is by making super conferences.
They will cherry pick schools from each other the MWC, CUSA, and the WAC,
leaving six conference champs and then taking the best 2nd place finishers or
Notre Dame to fill up their bowls.No mid-major involvement.I do not believe that Ute fans are such fools as to believe Utah will be more
than a lower tier PAC 12 school. Who in the PAC 12 can Utah beat regularly on
the road? Washington State? Maybe Cal? No more than five or six wins in the
good years.The U will compete with whom for players? Not USC. Not
UCLA. Not Stanford, Washington, Oregon, ASU, or Arizona.Going to
the PAC 12 may save the Utes' athletic budget, but it will condemn them to
Hey Utes, don't let the door hit you on the way out - and good riddance!
Utah is the ONLY reason that the BCS is looking at the MWC. Take Utah out and
you have a TCU team that fell flat on their face in the BCS game. I am sure the
BCS boys want another team like that. I would love to hear from anyone out
there how tds has done a thing to help the cause....ya that is what I thought!
So all you tds fans, you know where you need to give the love and it seems to me
that if the MWC would get credit for BSU BCS wins if they joined the MWC then
PAC will get Utah's credit.So before you tds fans bad mouth Utah to
much, know the only reason you have a chance at ever making it to a BCS is
because Utah got them to accept the conference.If you read carefully
you will seeBCS executive director Bill Hancock WAS HESITANT
Wednesday to say the MWC, which has placed UTAH and tcu (don't see the tds there
at all) in the Bowl Championship Series the last two seasons, was on course to
become the seventh automatic qualifying conference.
How 'bout that? Utah my earn the MWC an automatic BSC birth that is will never
use itself, since the Utes will be in the Pac 12. Merry Christmas, TDS. You
and the Boise Donkees will be battling for the MWC automatic birth with TCU and
Utah elsewhere. Just do us a favor, TDS, if you do get the automatic birth- try
not to embarrass the state with your typical horrible performance in a big game.
Silly y fans,1) Both the Utes as well as BYU compete with and win a decent
share of recruits from Pac 10 schools. With the Utes going to the pac 12 their
recruiting will be that much better and they will dominate Ut.2) It has
not been determined if the MTN West will get an auto bid when its only 2 BCS
teams are no longer around, I personally do not see it.3)Whether you are
10-2 and going to the Rose Bowl, 9-3 and going to the Holiday bowl, 8-4 going to
the Sun Bowl or 7-5 going to the Vegas Bowl it will be a better situation than
goinfishn in a big pond to catch a little fishLooking into the glass
ball beginning 2012:Utah - PAC 12TCU - Big 12BYU -
MWCBSU - MWCUtah in the PAC 12 spends the next 10 years MAYBE
getting to the Rose Bowl ONCE. In good years (2 or 3), the Utes finish 3rd in
the PAC 12 with a 9-3 record and play in the Holiday Bowl. In average years
(7-8), the Utes finish 5th or 6th in the PAC 12 with a 7-5 record and play in
the Emerald Bowl or Las Vegas Bowl.BYU and Boise State in the MWC
spend the next 10 years trading BCS appearances, with an occassional
breakthrough by Air Force. In good years, BYU plays in a BCS Bowl. In average
years BYU plays in the Las Vegas Bowl.Fiesta/Cotton/Sugar/Rose Bowl
appearances next 10 years:Utah 0-1BYU 4-5Las
Vegas/Emerald Bowl Appearances next 10 years:Utah 7-8BYU
Hey Utes4ever-Remember that BSU is only 14 years in DIV I football.
I'd say that they're making good progress. On the way they demolished the Utes
on your home (green) field, 36-3. Remember that too? They recently shut down
the TCU team that crushed the Utes (and Cougs) last year. In 2 years the only
Bronco loss was a 1 pt affair to TCU. That BSU team was almost all frosh/sophs.
They weren't even picked preseason that year to win the WAC. BTW, ABC/ESPN
acknowledged BSU as the decade's lead nonAQ team.Great win over
Alabama, though. Loved it.Looking forward to hosting the Utes on
the blue in 2011.
If the Utes want to bolt to the PAC12 I say bye-bye. We'll never see you in
another BCS bowl again. I think MWC should welcome Boise State with open
arms.....better football team, better basketball team...those are the money
attention byu fans please practice this phrase."Thank you Utah."Notice the BCS didn't say because of your play 26 years ago.... or
because of your impressive win streak at the Vegas bowl...You're
welcome ingrates.Go Utes!!!
re: Qwest_not_PerfectedCareful not to break an arm patting yourself
on the back.BCS Qualifying CriteriaThe BCS uses three
criteria that measure conference strength over a four-year period. The criteria
are: 1. The ranking of the highest-ranked team in the final BCS
standings 2008 - Utah2009 - TCU2. The final
regular-season computer rankings of all the teams in a conference2008 - Utah, TCU, BYU, and the rest2009 - TCU, BYU, Utah, and the
rest3. The number of teams in the top 25 of the final BCS
standings2008 - Utah, TCU, BYU2009 - TCU, BYU, UtahFrom the criteria above criteria, it's obvious that BYU has done just as much
as Utah to help the MWC qualify for AQ status.
re: sports fanyou summed up byu better than anyone "Qwest not
perfected"Thank you for that.And by the way you're
welcome too!Go Utes!!!