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BCS executive: MWC could have automatic bid in 2012

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  • Qwest Perfected
    April 22, 2010 9:16 p.m.

    re: sports fan

    you summed up byu better than anyone "Qwest not perfected"

    Thank you for that.

    And by the way you're welcome too!

    Go Utes!!!

  • SportsFan
    April 22, 2010 8:47 p.m.

    re: Qwest_not_Perfected

    Careful not to break an arm patting yourself on the back.

    BCS Qualifying Criteria

    The BCS uses three criteria that measure conference strength over a four-year period. The criteria are:

    1. The ranking of the highest-ranked team in the final BCS standings

    2008 - Utah
    2009 - TCU

    2. The final regular-season computer rankings of all the teams in a conference

    2008 - Utah, TCU, BYU, and the rest
    2009 - TCU, BYU, Utah, and the rest

    3. The number of teams in the top 25 of the final BCS standings

    2008 - Utah, TCU, BYU
    2009 - TCU, BYU, Utah

    From the criteria above criteria, it's obvious that BYU has done just as much as Utah to help the MWC qualify for AQ status.

  • Qwest Perfected
    April 22, 2010 7:17 p.m.

    attention byu fans please practice this phrase.

    "Thank you Utah."

    Notice the BCS didn't say because of your play 26 years ago.... or because of your impressive win streak at the Vegas bowl...

    You're welcome ingrates.

    Go Utes!!!

  • Justmythoughts
    April 22, 2010 5:21 p.m.

    If the Utes want to bolt to the PAC12 I say bye-bye. We'll never see you in another BCS bowl again. I think MWC should welcome Boise State with open arms.....better football team, better basketball team...those are the money sports.

  • UtahBronco
    April 22, 2010 5:02 p.m.

    Hey Utes4ever-

    Remember that BSU is only 14 years in DIV I football. I'd say that they're making good progress. On the way they demolished the Utes on your home (green) field, 36-3. Remember that too? They recently shut down the TCU team that crushed the Utes (and Cougs) last year. In 2 years the only Bronco loss was a 1 pt affair to TCU. That BSU team was almost all frosh/sophs. They weren't even picked preseason that year to win the WAC. BTW, ABC/ESPN acknowledged BSU as the decade's lead nonAQ team.

    Great win over Alabama, though. Loved it.

    Looking forward to hosting the Utes on the blue in 2011.

  • SportsFan
    April 22, 2010 3:43 p.m.

    goinfishn in a big pond to catch a little fish

    Looking into the glass ball beginning 2012:

    Utah - PAC 12
    TCU - Big 12
    BYU - MWC
    BSU - MWC

    Utah in the PAC 12 spends the next 10 years MAYBE getting to the Rose Bowl ONCE. In good years (2 or 3), the Utes finish 3rd in the PAC 12 with a 9-3 record and play in the Holiday Bowl. In average years (7-8), the Utes finish 5th or 6th in the PAC 12 with a 7-5 record and play in the Emerald Bowl or Las Vegas Bowl.

    BYU and Boise State in the MWC spend the next 10 years trading BCS appearances, with an occassional breakthrough by Air Force. In good years, BYU plays in a BCS Bowl. In average years BYU plays in the Las Vegas Bowl.

    Fiesta/Cotton/Sugar/Rose Bowl appearances next 10 years:

    Utah 0-1
    BYU 4-5

    Las Vegas/Emerald Bowl Appearances next 10 years:

    Utah 7-8
    BYU 5-6

  • gonefishn
    April 22, 2010 1:46 p.m.

    Silly y fans,
    1) Both the Utes as well as BYU compete with and win a decent share of recruits from Pac 10 schools. With the Utes going to the pac 12 their recruiting will be that much better and they will dominate Ut.
    2) It has not been determined if the MTN West will get an auto bid when its only 2 BCS teams are no longer around, I personally do not see it.
    3)Whether you are 10-2 and going to the Rose Bowl, 9-3 and going to the Holiday bowl, 8-4 going to the Sun Bowl or 7-5 going to the Vegas Bowl it will be a better situation than BYU.

  • MenaceToSociety
    April 22, 2010 1:42 p.m.

    How 'bout that? Utah my earn the MWC an automatic BSC birth that is will never use itself, since the Utes will be in the Pac 12. Merry Christmas, TDS. You and the Boise Donkees will be battling for the MWC automatic birth with TCU and Utah elsewhere. Just do us a favor, TDS, if you do get the automatic birth- try not to embarrass the state with your typical horrible performance in a big game.

  • y be good when U CAN BE GREAT!
    April 22, 2010 1:37 p.m.

    Utah is the ONLY reason that the BCS is looking at the MWC. Take Utah out and you have a TCU team that fell flat on their face in the BCS game. I am sure the BCS boys want another team like that. I would love to hear from anyone out there how tds has done a thing to help the cause....ya that is what I thought! So all you tds fans, you know where you need to give the love and it seems to me that if the MWC would get credit for BSU BCS wins if they joined the MWC then PAC will get Utah's credit.

    So before you tds fans bad mouth Utah to much, know the only reason you have a chance at ever making it to a BCS is because Utah got them to accept the conference.

    If you read carefully you will see

    BCS executive director Bill Hancock WAS HESITANT Wednesday to say the MWC, which has placed UTAH and tcu (don't see the tds there at all) in the Bowl Championship Series the last two seasons, was on course to become the seventh automatic qualifying conference.

  • DTAlum
    April 22, 2010 12:05 p.m.

    Hey Utes, don't let the door hit you on the way out - and good riddance!

  • Utes4Ever
    April 22, 2010 12:00 p.m.

    @ IDC | 10:11 a.m. April 22, 2010

    "(I think BSU actually has a stronger argument for quality wins and consitency)"

    I would LOVE to hear this argument from, because I feel nothing could be further from the truth.

    If you want to talk quality wins vs. BcS or non-BcS schools since the inception of the BcS in 1998, then Utah clearly takes the cake. Do you realize Boise State's first road win against a BcS school ever came in 2008 versus Oregon? That's it. The year before this in 2007, Boise State lost 24-10 to a 4-9 Washington team. It wasn't even close. Utah has three times as many wins versus BcS schools in the BcS era than Boise State. Since 1998, Boise State is 6-13 versus BcS schools; Utah is 19-11.

    And Boise State and never played and beaten down a team the caliber of Alabama. Even OU in 2006 wasn't the caliber of team Alabama was in 2008 and Utah dominated them.

    So PUH-LEEZE give me your argument about Boise State's better quality of wins. Consistency? Against the WAC? Okay ...

  • moodyblue77
    April 22, 2010 12:00 p.m.

    The way the BCS will avoid having to expand is by making super conferences. They will cherry pick schools from each other the MWC, CUSA, and the WAC, leaving six conference champs and then taking the best 2nd place finishers or Notre Dame to fill up their bowls.

    No mid-major involvement.

    I do not believe that Ute fans are such fools as to believe Utah will be more than a lower tier PAC 12 school. Who in the PAC 12 can Utah beat regularly on the road? Washington State? Maybe Cal? No more than five or six wins in the good years.

    The U will compete with whom for players? Not USC. Not UCLA. Not Stanford, Washington, Oregon, ASU, or Arizona.

    Going to the PAC 12 may save the Utes' athletic budget, but it will condemn them to mediocrity forever.

  • Utes4Ever
    April 22, 2010 11:55 a.m.

    @ IDC | 10:11 a.m. April 22, 2010

    "(I think BSU actually has a stronger argument for quality wins and consitency)"

    I would LOVE to hear this argument from, because I feel nothing could be further from the truth.

    If you want to talk quality wins vs. BcS or non-BcS schools since the inception of the BcS in 1998, then Utah clearly takes the cake. Do you realize Boise State's first road win against a BcS school ever came in 2008 versus Oregon? That's it. The year before this in 2007, Boise State lost 24-10 to a 4-9 Washington team. It wasn't even close. Utah has three times as many wins versus BcS schools in the BcS era than Boise State. Since 1998, Boise State is 6-13 versus BcS schools; Utah is 19-11.

    And Boise State and never played and beaten down a team the caliber of Alabama. Even OU in 2006 wasn't the caliber of team Alabama was in 2008 and Utah dominated them.

    So PUH-LEEZE give me your argument about Boise State's better quality of wins. Consistency? Against the WAC? Okay ...

  • SportsFan
    April 22, 2010 11:52 a.m.

    re: hedgehog

    What a surprise. Another juvenile tantrum from the verbal spitwad shooter.

    Someday, maybe, you should try joining in on the discussion.

    Today's topic is the MWC becoming an AQ BCS conference in 2012.

    With or without Utah, the MWC will be an AQ conference in 2012.

  • Patrick
    April 22, 2010 11:42 a.m.

    I can almost guarantee that if Utah goes to the PAC 10, which they very well might do, that they will not get to a BCS games for years, if ever. Just ask Arizona, ASU, Cal, Stanford, etc. etc. etc. Utah is not or never will be that good.

    Boise State and MWC teams will continue to go and thrive in the BCS.

  • CarlUte
    April 22, 2010 11:25 a.m.

    I would very much prefer being a member of the Pac-12 as opposed to the MWC because the competition is much greater. Just think of how much better it would be having UCLA, Arizona, and Oregon coming into RES as opposed to Wyoming, Colorado State, and New Mexico. The basketball program would also receive a much needed shot in the arm.

  • hedgehog
    April 22, 2010 11:11 a.m.

    Wow, A lot of bitter, insecure Kewgar fans. I hope that in time you come to some type of acceptance that no BCS conference wants you — no matter how many wins or how many fans you have. Yes Kewgars, it’s a popularity contest and the Utes are simply the more attractive team. Deal with it.

  • Crowntown
    April 22, 2010 11:08 a.m.

    The big east is better than the mtn worst and wac

    Pitt
    Louisville
    Cincinatti
    Rutgers
    West Virginia
    South Florida
    Connecticut

  • bigsoccer
    April 22, 2010 10:56 a.m.

    Utes: Let Utah go to the Pac-10, we all know that conference is weaker than the MWC especially in football and basketball now.

  • Utah Alum
    April 22, 2010 10:44 a.m.

    Would Utah still want to join the PAC 10 if the MWC becomes an AQ BCS conference?

    Battling BYU, TCU and Air Force for a BCS bid.

    or

    Batttling USC, UCLA, Washington, Oregon, Oregon State, California, Arizona, and Arizona State.

  • SportsFan
    April 22, 2010 10:36 a.m.

    AQ BCS status or not, teams in small media markets have an uphill battle to get into a BCS championship game. The polls still dictate who plays, and the majority of people voting in the polls are in the large media markets.

    Washington State doesn't have any better chance of playing for a National Championship than Boise State.

  • BYUtah Fan
    April 22, 2010 10:32 a.m.

    As a BYU and Utah fan, I would hate to see Utah leave the MWC. The BYU-Utah rivalry is one of the best in college football. Their proximity and the quality of both programs make this a terrific game every year. Sorry BYU fans, but losing Utah would significantly degrade the MWC and diminish the overall competitiveness of the conference.

    Personally, I kind of like things just the way they are now. Hopefully the MWC will get an automatic bid and the money issue will straighten itself out. Whether or not that happens, I will still enjoy watching the games. If the MWC doesn't get any love on the national scene then who cares. It is their loss.

  • IDC
    April 22, 2010 10:11 a.m.

    The MWC would suffer some if Utah and TCU left. Picking up BSU would ease a lot of that pain. I would trade Utah for BSU in a heartbeat though. The MWC would not lose anything in football (I think BSU actually has a stronger argument for quality wins and consitency)and now that Utah's basketball team is bad and only getting worse, BSU is clearly better. Of course, Utah's gymnastics are better. BSU has better tennis.

    Those clamoring for a BCS bid for the MWC are like dogs fighting for scraps of food from the table. Being a "BCS" conference team doesn't necessarily get MWC teams a shot at the NC, just a BCS game. We need a playoff. Ask TCU and BSU how much they like getting less money and no respect for playing each other.

  • BlueCoug
    April 22, 2010 9:55 a.m.

    Likely scenario:

    To quell playoff talk and remove the pressure the MWC is putting on the BCS, the BCS will add the Cotton Bowl to the mix in 2012, giving the BCS five bowls, plus the BCS championship game. The BCS will then add the MWC as an AQ conference.

    The Big Ten is leading the conference expansion parade, and whatever the Big Ten does will have a domino affect on every conference.

    If the Big Ten expands to 16 teams, as some have speculated, adding Syracuse, Rutgers, Pittsburgh, Notre Dame, and Missouri, the domino affect could lead to the Big East conference disappearing entirely (for football), and the formation of eight 16-team super conferences.

    With 10 teams in the PAC 10, and 9 teams in the MWC and WAC, that's 28 teams. Two 16-team conferences would be 32 teams.

  • tq2
    April 22, 2010 9:42 a.m.

    Don't anybody hold their breath.

  • Utes4Ever
    April 22, 2010 8:30 a.m.

    Either way this doesn't matter. If we get an invite from the PAC 10, fine. If we stay in the MWC, that's fine too. Utah is quickly earning a reputation on the football field that transcends the conference we play in.

    @ Utah'95 | 5:58 a.m. April 22, 2010

    We are beyond the point of mere speculation. The PAC 10 knows they need to expand their TV market and the conference footprint to avoid loosing too much ground to the SEC, Big 10 and Big 12. The new PAC 10 commission was hired specifically to help them catch up to these conferences where the former allowed them to fall behind. He has publicly spoken about expanding the conference and is performing his due diligence to see if it is viable for them. If it is viable for them, then they are extremely limited to what teams they could successfully target - Utah, Colorado, BYU and Boise State. If they expands, odds are minimum 50% in our favor that we would be selected, but in reality they odds are higher than this.

    But again, whatever happens with the PAC 10, Utah will be fine.

  • Utah'95
    April 22, 2010 8:08 a.m.

    Uh, Esquire, check it out - Cincinnati is already in a BCS Conference. They got their BCS bowl by winning the Big East.

  • Esquire
    April 22, 2010 7:50 a.m.

    I'll believe the BCS expands when it happens, not before. Why would they dilute their financial interest unless the heat is so intense they are afraid their monopoly will crumble, which I don't think it is. And adding the MWC still does not solve the problem. You still have other excluded programs that are worthy, including Boise State and Cincinnati.

  • Utah'95
    April 22, 2010 5:58 a.m.

    I for one wish all the speculation about MWC teams leaving and going to other conferences would stop. Twenty years ago, BYU fans were confident they would be invited to the PAC 10. Now the talk is about Utah and TCU leaving. Until there is CREDIBLE news to this effect, let's move past this tired subject.

    As far as the Cosmo's Cousin post - you're talking about the game when Utah beat BYU by 24, right? The game when Hall threw five picks? Don't embarrass yourself. Complaining about officiating when you get beat by 3+ touchdowns is the epitome of whining, and I expect most BYU fans cringe when they read your post.

  • Utes4Ever
    April 22, 2010 4:50 a.m.

    @ Cosmo's Cousin | 9:29 p.m. April 21, 2010

    You want to bring up how games are ref'd now and somehow insinuate that BYU was picked on in the 2008 game? Hall's five obvious inteceptions and lost fumble cost YBU the game - not referring.

    Bias? Get overself and the loss.

    @ Bugoff | 12:32 a.m. April 22, 2010

    Either you don't realize you have no clue what you are talking about or your are purposely misrepresenting the truth. I hope it's the former and not the latter.

    Utah's football attendance has average numbers exceeding RES official seating capacity for the past three years. Attendance is fine and is higher on average than the PAC 10's Washington State, Oregon State, and Stanford. Nothing earth shattering, but we hold our own in the stands and more importantly on the football field.

  • Bugoff
    April 22, 2010 12:32 a.m.

    Why would the PAC want UT? Their football attendance is poor, the fan base does not travel well, the stadium is small, the basket ball team is down and the PAC 11 sounds strange.

    I live in the Big 12. There is no talk of adding TCU (well maybe in Utah).

  • bindependent
    April 22, 2010 12:01 a.m.

    Re: Cosmo's Cousin....Please ban yourself from any further STUPID remarks. Whether the refs make bad calls or not, doesn't mean the Utes "play unfairly".
    Second, if you have to whine, go do it on the YBU articles.

  • SportsFan
    April 21, 2010 11:11 p.m.

    Sorry Cosmo's Cousin, but I have to disagree.

    The Utes may be bitter rivals of the Cougars, but they don't play unfair. There are always questionable calls in every game, but the vast majority of officials try to call things as fairly as possible.

  • Cosmo's Cousin
    April 21, 2010 9:29 p.m.

    I wouldn't mind seeing Utah leave the MWC. The conference will still get a automatic bid and we won't have to worry about those Utes and their unfair play.

    I think even Utah fans can admit there are questionable calls in a lot of games against BYU, like the 2008 football game. I hate to say there's a biased but it makes you wonder...

  • SportsFan
    April 21, 2010 9:16 p.m.

    re: royalmidnight

    It won't matter whether Utah and TCU leave the MWC or not.

    The 2008 and 2009 seasons are already in the books and will count towards the MWC receiving AQ status.

  • Lifelong Republican
    April 21, 2010 8:52 p.m.

    I hope the MWC teams will stay put and get that bid. All of this talk of expansion is ridiculous.

    The Pac-10 is worse than the MWC in both football and basketball right now.

    Why would any of our teams want to join them?

    If it is about $$$, which it usually is, then stay put. You'll get your share.

  • royalmidnight
    April 21, 2010 8:50 p.m.

    Not likely, especially when Utah's in the Pac 12 and TCU is in the Big 12. BYU and Boise don't make a auto-qualifier.