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  • John Pack Lambert of Michigan
    April 23, 2010 3:20 p.m.

    I have to say the comparison to Tiger Woods was totally uncalled for.

    Two main reasons. Unga was part of a team, not a lone star, so he can not let people down. Secondly, whatever Unga did, and we do not know what he did, it was not to the level of multiple cases of adultery perpetrated simultaneosly.

  • John Pack Lambert of Michigan
    April 23, 2010 3:04 p.m.

    To SportsFan,
    Maybe he was considering actually getting them. Maybe he had decided not to and was about to change his mind.

  • K
    April 21, 2010 1:43 p.m.

    What did they do?

  • utefan4life
    April 19, 2010 6:10 p.m.

    dude since when is punctuation something that needs to be in a comment on a message board? they are meant to be informal thats pretty sad that you sit on here and look for things like that get a life man.

  • MenaceToSociety
    April 19, 2010 4:51 p.m.

    Are we not in America? Do Harvey and his girlfriend not have the freedom to decide what goes on in their bedroom? As long as it's between two consenting adults...

    I really don't care what is going on in their bedrooms, personally. If you do care, that comes across as kind of perverted to me.

  • giantfan
    April 19, 2010 4:27 p.m.

    Re: utefan4life,
    Ever heard of punctuation? Words of advice: If you want your comments to be taken seriously, learn the values of a period, comma, colon, semicolon, etc.

  • utefan4life
    April 19, 2010 4:15 p.m.

    stupid zoobs so harvey did make a mistake and the only reason he did come forward about it is because she is pregnant. otherwise he would still be like most of the rest of the team and living a lie. the dissing on utah is ridiculous the only thing that doesnt happen at utah without an honor code is personal matters like this getting out in public so that now fans like u can complain about something else. "what am i supposed to tell my children" tell them that this world isnt perfect and its never going to be the more u protect your kids the more trouble they are going to find when they are older. go for it make your only goal to beat your big brothers to the north we will keep a national title and mwc champs on our list

  • giantfan
    April 19, 2010 3:48 p.m.

    @3:32 p.m.
    You thought your comment was so good it deserved to posted twice? Interesting how you ridicule BYU fans for the very same thing you're guilty of: stereotyping. When you start your comments off with: "typical zoob fan that..." you kind of lose all credibility when it comes to chastisement.

  • y be good when U CAN BE GREAT!
    April 19, 2010 3:32 p.m.

    That comes from the typical zoob fan that thinks that a byu mormon is so much better than one that attends Utah. They forget that when you bash the "standards" that the Ute players have that at least half of them share the same faith as the team down south. They eat their own and wonder why every other team dislikes them and why their fans are "hated" yet it is their own players that throw out those comments.

  • giantfan
    April 19, 2010 2:32 p.m.

    Re: JohnJacob
    What's pathetic is you probably think you're being pretty original with your predictably trollish comments. Why don't you go kick your neigbor's dog or something and leave the rest of us alone?

  • JohnJacobJingleHeimerSchmidt
    April 19, 2010 2:24 p.m.

    "In the mean time BYU is getting some great recruits who will step up."


    At playing football or off the field issues?

  • JohnJacobJingleHeimerSchmidt
    April 19, 2010 2:06 p.m.

    Austin Collie says the Cougars were living well on and off the field.

  • Bugoff
    April 19, 2010 1:38 p.m.

    Best wishes to Harvey and Moeaki. This will all work out.

    Harvey will either get reinstated for the fall or go pro. Either way he will do fine.

    Josh and others can pick up the slack. I am not worried about the team.

    The Utah smack talk is just talk. We see how good you really are in the fall. In the mean time BYU is getting some great recruits who will step up.

  • giantfan
    April 19, 2010 1:04 p.m.

    Re: Williary
    Why? First of all, we don't even have all the facts about why Unga withdrew. Second, certainly if he was able to return by September, it would be because he's resolved the issue at hand and is eligible for return under the conditions of admittance and the Honor Code. Where's the black eye? How do you know him returning would be a "disgrace to everything Bronco tells us he and his team stand for"? Since we don't have all the facts, aren't you prematurely jumping to conclusions? Or, probably more accurately so, are you just a BYU/Bronco hater?

  • giantfan
    April 19, 2010 12:59 p.m.

    Re: screen name
    Hate to break it to you but Unga playing at the U is an impossibility. A player transferring to another D1 school must sit out a year, although not losing any eligibility. A player transferring to another school within the same conference must lose a year of eligibility. Since Unga has only one year left of eligibility, transferring to Utah, or any other MWC school, would not be possible.

  • giantfan
    April 19, 2010 12:56 p.m.

    Re: Ken
    I didn't know the Poinsettia Bowl was moved to January! Thanks for the info!

  • williary
    April 19, 2010 12:55 p.m.

    re: David

    You're right. He ran out of town before the Honor Code could come down on him. In order to try and sneak back in around the Honor Code office in time for September.

    I hope all is well with him personally, as well as his girlfriend/fiance. And I truly hope he finds a way to play football next season somewhere.

    But if he shows back up on BYU's roster come September, that will be a huge black eye and disgrace to everything Bronco tells us he and his team stand for.

  • y be good when U CAN BE GREAT!
    April 19, 2010 12:40 p.m.

    That comes from the typical zoob fan that thinks that a byu mormon is so much better than one that attends Utah. They forget that when you bash the "standards" that the Ute players have that at least half of them share the same faith as the team down south. They eat their own and wonder why every other team dislikes them and why their fans are "hated" yet it is their own players that throw out those comments.

  • screen name
    April 19, 2010 12:35 p.m.

    I hope ge goes to the U.

  • rlsintx
    April 19, 2010 12:11 p.m.

    Nothing more important than being right with yourself and your perception of your standing with God, as you see it. Good luck to this guy - have loved watching him run the past few years. Hopefully the story turns out good in the long run.

  • TAGZZ
    April 19, 2010 10:43 a.m.

    Y4LYFE...


    I am a die hard Utah Fan through and through and I feel bad for this happening, But why do you have to drag Utah into the mix and say that he would be praised for this... Some people just don't get it do they!! I hope you can grow up sometime soon and realize that this situation isn't a laughing matter... This is about a young man and woman that had everything they wanted but with a simple mistake they could be done with sports in College!!

  • Crowntown
    April 19, 2010 10:23 a.m.

    Sorry USC has FAST RB's. He would never start there.

  • MESOUTE
    April 19, 2010 10:11 a.m.

    I was shocked to learn about Unga. This is a huge loss for the Cougars in terms of the quality of player that he is and his leadership. It is sad that his personal life is now thrust into the spotlight and I can only hope he comes through this knowing that he has a bright future wherever he goes.

  • Eryk Fyretrybe
    April 18, 2010 10:33 p.m.

    Not only a great running back but a smart man also to withdraw and re-organize his life in at least one area. Hope the best for him even though his absence will be appreciated by a few teams this year...But I think he will be back...won't matter against Air Force this year but he'll be back for the season...I hope . Good Luck harvey forget all the "nay sayers" and do what you need

  • David in New Mexico
    April 18, 2010 10:16 p.m.

    Harvey didn't get kicked out. He didn't get "caught". He's leaving on his own accord. I have more respect now than I ever did for Harvey. Such a heavy price to come clean now. This is a personal triumph for Harvey, not a failure. He's living a truthful life and trying to do what he believes is right regardless of cost. Few have had the courage to do what he's done. Good luck Harvey and may God bless you.

  • don
    April 18, 2010 8:05 p.m.

    RE:USC,he probaly could transfer to USC,but He would be at back-up running back at best.

  • snowman
    April 18, 2010 6:02 p.m.

    By leaving on their own they left the door open for them to return.

  • idablu
    April 18, 2010 4:00 p.m.

    Is there significance in the fact they withdrew voluntarily? Would an Honor Code "hearing" been inevitable if they hadn't withdrawn? I sort of get the feeling this was between them and their bishop, and the honor code office had nothing to do with it. I am confident they'll work it out, and there's a good chance they'll be back in the fall.

    Re: Mike--It is pretty arrogant and pious of you to think that Harvey owes YOU an apology. Are you one of those without sin who is wiling to cast the first stone? In fact I would argue that Tiger Woods owes YOU no apology. . . his sponsors, close friends, and family--yes, but to YOU--no.

  • Cosmo's Cousin
    April 18, 2010 2:51 p.m.

    Ken | 1:02 a.m. April 18, 2010
    Utah will be playing a bowl game in january. Book it
    -----------
    The utes will be in the New Mexico Bowl maybe. I think this year will be the year the Cougs finally crack the BCS. It won't be the Sugar or Fiesta Bowl. It'll be the BCS championship after Unga gets back to us!

  • Crowntown
    April 18, 2010 8:48 a.m.

    PECULIAR PEOPLE? RIIIIIIGGGHHHHHTTTTT YOU MEAN NO DIFFERENT THAN ANYONE ELSE! BUT KEEP TELLING YOURSELF THAT.

  • Ken
    April 18, 2010 1:02 a.m.

    Utah will be playing a bowl game in january. Book it

  • Timp Fan
    April 18, 2010 12:23 a.m.

    RE:Mike | 11:08 a.m. April 17, 2010

    .."but he has still deeply offended many people and we as fans and members of the community deserve an public apology."

    SERIOUSLY!?! No one deserves a "public apology"... especially not YOU as a fan or member of the community. Afterall, I don't recall anyone appointing you "GOD"! This is between Harvey, his bishop and Heavenly Father. Instead of judging... we should be showing our compassion and support for the future of these two young individuals.

  • Howard S.
    April 17, 2010 11:46 p.m.


    Unga will be back in Cougar blue come September.

    Book it.

  • snowman
    April 17, 2010 10:27 p.m.

    He has nothing to apolize for.

  • GILESH
    April 17, 2010 10:15 p.m.

    What a sad situation for both of these young people. A number of readers have commented on the fact that, as a Church school, there are rules that they agreed to follow. Apostle Bednar told students at BYU Idaho that, to attend a Church school, was not a right but a priveledge. It would appear that in this case they did the honorable thing and voluntarily withdrew from the school.

    Quite frankly, this issue has nothing to do with anyone other than the two individuals and their Priesthood leaders. I am disappointed that this has gained such media attention BUT even more disappointed by the narrowmindedness of my fellow LDS who appear to be quite incapable of showing any measure of forgiveness whatsoever.

    In the world outside of the State of Utah, such outcry against these two would be met with derision. Comments about 'coming home in a coffin' attributed to a GA are ludicrous. 'Disgraced' missionaries being shunned by congregations show only how far some members have to go to fully understand the message of the Savior. The only perfect being to ever live, died 2000 years ago. "Let he who is without sin, cast the first stone".

  • TrueBlue
    April 17, 2010 10:04 p.m.

    Anyone saying that this should have been handled "privately" is totally clueless about major college athletics.

    There is absolutely no way any athlete, especially a high profile athlete like Harvey Unga, could have quietly withdrawn from school without the press finding out about it almost immediately.

    What was Mendenhall supposed to do when sports reporters noticed Harvey wasn't in the training room or that none of his teammates knew where he was?

    That's the double-edged sword to being a high profile athlete. Both your achievements and your failures are going to be known by everyone.

  • Texas Gal
    April 17, 2010 9:44 p.m.

    JamesP 6:37 - You make it sound like an outstanding athlete can't be expected to live a moral life - how ridiculous!
    bookonwoman 2:12 - the operative word here is "practically". You can't be kinda married - either you are or you're not. Which means either you can or you can not be having sex at BYU without consequence.
    I agree with another previous post that this should have been handled privately but as with any "famous" person, sometimes the dirty laundry gets aired in public.

  • Southern California
    April 17, 2010 9:33 p.m.

    Well, you mess up -- TWICE -- there are consequences. I'm glad that BYU sticks to their morals and honor code. Too bad other schools don't have the guts to do that; there would be more top-notch people (and athletes) if they did.

  • Crowntown
    April 17, 2010 8:47 p.m.

    VEGAS BOWL? . . . YEAH RIGHT! I CAN'T WAIT TO HEAR CRICKETS FROM THESE BYU FANS WHEN THEY START THE SEASON 0-3

  • ute1
    April 17, 2010 8:22 p.m.

    Harvey should have gone to the U after all. He would have been a good 3rd stringer behind Wide and Asiata. Then he would be allowed to make a mistake without being raked over the coals. He made a mistake get off his back he is a good kid he will be fine.

  • SportsFan
    April 17, 2010 8:09 p.m.

    re: hedgehog

    No need to position anything hogwart. BYU has a stable of running backs, and unlike Utah, BYU doesn't rebuild, BYU reloads.

    That's why BYU has multiple 3 straight Top 25 finishes, or more, while Utah has never had more than 2.

  • Cosmo's Cousin
    April 17, 2010 7:54 p.m.

    We don't have too much to worry about. Believe me you! Our new guys are better than the "old guard." This turn of events is to the Blue's advantage. We're going to sneak up on everyone thinking we're not going to be good.

    The BLUE will still win the MWC in 2010!

  • hedgehog
    April 17, 2010 7:42 p.m.

    Who cares. He chose to go to a school that doesn't allow mistakes or extends forgiveness.

    What I'm more interested in is how the coug fans are going to position their football team. Will they use Unga getting the boot as the excuse for stinking next fall? Truth is, BYU would have struggled even with Unga.

  • U of U Fan
    April 17, 2010 7:37 p.m.

    Best of luck to Unga.

  • higv
    April 17, 2010 7:32 p.m.

    The thing about the school is so many people want to get in that would leave the Honor Code that can't get in. How would you feel if someone like him gets into school and you don't when you would of lived the Honor Code.

    I was at then Ricks College when DAvid Bednar the President at the time said if you have no desire to live hear go someone else. You have no claim on the church resources. And told of a girl not admitted To Ricks College that would of kept the honor code.

    Is it fair to students that don't get admitted that would of kept the honor code to allow people that do not keep it in? As for Second Chances how would you feel if you never had a first chance to go to BYU to see violaters get Second Chances.

  • SportsFan
    April 17, 2010 7:20 p.m.

    No cord struck ucu; I just consider the source.

  • CG
    April 17, 2010 7:09 p.m.

    re: Idaho Coug

    You sound like an enabling apologist who is unable or unwilling to commit to a higher standard.

    Thousands of students choose to attend BYU precisely because of the higher standard required by the Honor Code of students who attend BYU.

    If that's not your cup up of tea, then you're welcome to go to any other school.

  • coachcarter
    April 17, 2010 7:07 p.m.

    come to SUU. You and Kelani can both star here

  • bobosmom
    April 17, 2010 6:56 p.m.

    I hope the best for them. May God bless them in there future endeavors.

  • LP Grad, BYU Alum
    April 17, 2010 6:49 p.m.

    This is rediculous looking at some of these comments here. First off, BYU didn't expel the students at all. They VOLUNTARILY withdrew from the university. If they had not done so, they would have had a review from the honor code office to determine if they would stay at the university. So Kudos to them for understanding the honor code and manning up to the consequences instead of hoping to slide by. That shows integrity.

    We all assume that the two engaged in pre-marital intimacy, though that has not been made clear. Could be drugs, could be cheating during finals week, could be any number of things. Don't jump to conclusions.

    As for apologies, they don't owe anyone but God and their coaches/teams an apology for letting them down. The rest of us live our own private lives and don't apologize to others for our own private mistakes, so why should we expect an apoogy from him?

    This tarnishing the church's reputation? I don't think so. This was two students manning up to the consequences of their actions, and the university giving full support for their personal growth. Kudos to BYU.

  • utwingnut
    April 17, 2010 5:49 p.m.

    RE: Mike | 4:25 p.m. April 17, 2010

    "They need to apologize to the fans who hold them up as role models for their children."

    They need to apologize to each other for letting each other down, they need to apologize to God, they do not owe you or your children (Not mine either) anything.

    My children are not stupid!

    True, children today are not stupid

    How am I supposed to explain this to them?

    I plan to use this as a teaching opportunity to explain that each action has its consequences. I suggest that you do the same. People can learn from both good and bad examples. Along with that they can learn that people are human, they make mistakes and they move on with life. These two young people are paying life tuition right now and they do not need their neighbors castigating them for what they may or may not have done wrong.

    There is more to the screen name of UTWINGNUT than I think you are catching onto right now. Peace be with you my friend.

  • BostonCambridge
    April 17, 2010 5:47 p.m.

    "He who is without sin cast the first stone"

    The Lord doesn't condemn them, and neither should we.

    Harvey and Keilani are wonderful people.

    BYU shouldn't have made a joint press release. They are separate people, who play separate sports. To include them together feels like a joint condemnation.

    Although I believe that Mike at 11:08 has a point...I take issue with part of his logic:

    "...when this happens--it sends the wrong message about BYU and what the Church stands for. Like it or not, BYU is an extension of the Church--and...is watched very closely around the country as a model for excellence in pious conduct and exemplary behavior."

    I think BYU would gain more respect by demonstrating love and forgiveness for people who find themselves in difficult situations rather than kicking them out of school. It's one thing to "appear" like Jesus and another to actually be like Jesus.

    What if BYU lifted its policy of expelling students who break the honor code? Fear of punishment is the lowest form of motivation for moral behavior. If this is the case...there is not much "honor" to the code.

  • Buster
    April 17, 2010 5:22 p.m.

    Re:To the father that can't tell his kids:

    I nominate you for parent of the year.

    If you are trying to sound sincere, nice try. Serious, you can't explain this to your child? How do YOU even function in this world?

    My suggestion, put your children in foster care until they are 18 so they can grow up normal and adjusted to life.

  • AZ Dave
    April 17, 2010 4:56 p.m.

    One and done Harvey?

  • utahcountyute
    April 17, 2010 4:52 p.m.

    sportsfan

    Sorry if I struck a cord there but it comes out in every one of your comments. You call me immature, but it never fails that on a Ute article you come in there guns loaded looking to beat your chest about something. When you point one finger at me, 3 are pointing back at you.
    Good luck Harvey and Kaelani!

  • Mike
    April 17, 2010 4:25 p.m.

    Re: utwingnut

    With a name like that, it is little wonder you are telling people to butt out. I am also going to guess that you are either a BYU zealot or a Ute fan.

    Of course Unga should apologize publicly--Tiger Woods did!

    Since when do you come and speak for what Unga owes us as fans?

    He has let us down with his behavior off the field.

    When you say we need to butt out, you are just covering their tracks. You need to realize that if Tiger Woods had to apologize, these two really should too.

    Being from BYU does not exempt them from the public shame they have given us now.

    When an athlete (yes, college ones too) make mistakes like this, they need to apologize to the fans who hold them up as role models for their children.

    My children are now asking me why he would do that--why would someone who goes to BYU think that violating the Honor Code is okay?

    My children are not stupid! How am I supposed to explain this to them?

    Get some common sense and make these athletes be responsible for the impact of their choices.


  • bookonwomen
    April 17, 2010 4:21 p.m.

    RE; Idaho Coug | 2:35 p.m. April 17, 2010

    Your comment is dead on, I agree 100%.

  • will_a
    April 17, 2010 4:17 p.m.

    I think this is a good time to recognize all the great student athletes at BYU that choose to live by its standards, and Harvey's commitment to make things right. He's done a lot of great things for BYU the past three years and whether he plays this year or not, he has been a class act in my mind.

    (Obviously many athletes at many universities have just as high or higher standards than BYU athletes, but the honor code often exposes shortcomings, so I think it takes a lot of courage for these highly recruited athletes to choose BYU)

  • utahcountyute
    April 17, 2010 4:10 p.m.

    Utah Alum,

    Whoa there, no sarcasm was intended bud. If you were following the blog, you would have seen that I was commenting on what mr yferlye had said. Something like "he would be praised up at the U" for what he did. chill

  • hedgehog
    April 17, 2010 3:52 p.m.

    Ouch,

    First the news on Unga and then (just breaking) Utah beats out BYU for Travis Stills.

    Stills is a 6'2 WR from Spanish Fork ( Scout gives him 4 stars). He also had interest from Florida and Michigan.

    Kinda a lost weekend..

  • utwingnut
    April 17, 2010 2:53 p.m.

    RE: Coach | 2:35 p.m. April 17, 2010

    “Disappointing. You obviously hope for the best for the young man and woman; however, they both let a lot of people down.”

    If they let you down, then you need to get a life and stop investing so much into young imperfect people. It’s time for you to “BUTT OUT” coach.

  • Come-on-you-Yanks
    April 17, 2010 2:47 p.m.

    Re: Dave S

    Yes, and the term "Zoob" is fresh and inventive.

    The football team will be just fine. I'd rather have season tickets to a team with this kind of integrity and courage to admit mistakes.

  • SportsFan
    April 17, 2010 2:38 p.m.

    re: bookonwomen:

    Where did read anything about a crime?

    It was an Honor Code violation; basically making a promise and being expected to keep that promise. An man's word used to be his bond. Unfortunately, there are too many people in this world who can't live up to that standard.

  • SportsFan
    April 17, 2010 2:38 p.m.

    re: utahcountyute

    Being called bitter and self-conscious by a snotty-nosed little brat is laughable.

    Even your strawmen are weak. Doubtful you understand that, but keep trying, you might come up with something that sounds clever by accident.

  • Coach
    April 17, 2010 2:35 p.m.

    Disappointing. You obviously hope for the best for the young man and woman; however, they both let a lot of people down.

  • Idaho Coug
    April 17, 2010 2:35 p.m.

    Thousands of LDS kids attend college somewhere other than BYU. If they make a similar mistake their option is to work through the repentance process with their Bishop but their education is never a part of the discussion. I know that BYU students know up front that they promise to keep the honor code. But they are human - and young humans at that. I attended BYU and it was no secret that MANY students struggled with one aspect of the "code" or another. Why? Because they are human beings.

    Two different student ward Bishops who are friends of mine have told me in the past that most BYU Bishops will NEVER report students to the honor code office who come to them to repent. I wish we would abolish the honor code office at BYU. I am not saying abolish the commandments and the repentance process that every member has access to. But why at BYU the extra step of potential expulsion and in the case of high profile athletes public humiliation? Again, I am not arguing against commandments and the repentance process. But the honor code office is an unecessary part of BYU.

  • Utah Alum
    April 17, 2010 2:25 p.m.

    re: utahcountyute

    The BYU Honor Code is for EVERYONE, LDS or not, who attends BYU. If that's something that offends you, too bad. Since you're not associated with BYU, it's really none of your business whether BYU has an Honor Code or not.

    Your sarcasm and general lack of courtesy show what kind of standards you have.

  • Dave S
    April 17, 2010 2:22 p.m.

    Re: Blue Blooded,

    Typical Zoob comment only care about beating your big brother and could care less about the rest of your games. By the way, I think the Harline comment is little stale by now don't you?

  • Realist
    April 17, 2010 2:15 p.m.

    Weber will take him.

  • bookonwomen
    April 17, 2010 2:12 p.m.

    What issues do they need to work out??? There is no issue, two people who have dated for 3 years and were practicaly married. Where's the crime here? Oh wait I guess this is BYU...

  • BleedCougarBlue
    April 17, 2010 2:09 p.m.

    Ouch!

    Not good. Not good at all, both for Harvey personally and for BYU football.

    Good luck, Harvey and the almost-Mrs. Harvey. I hope you get things straightened out soon.

    P.S. - As for many of the posters claiming that "BYU ruined Harvey", you guys clearly fail to grasp what is right in front of your face: the reality that people are free to choose their own decisions, not institutions. The translation of that would be: please lose your foolish hatred of the LDS church.

  • Idaho Coug
    April 17, 2010 2:04 p.m.

    I never cease to be amazed at the extremely unique lense we LDS view every detail of life through. And it is not always a pretty view. Is there anywhere else that the result of this would be withdrawl from school and dozens of comments referring to the "mistake" these kids made? I'm not sure if I think we are "unique" or downright "weird".

    And for the father that doesn't know what to tell his kids. How about telling them that we are all on this earth just doing our best. And that learning experiences happen from the time we are born until the day we die. I'm shocked that you seem to be at such a loss for what to say to your kids. But maybe it is just that lense thing again.

    Good luck Harvey and Kaelani. Transfer to a lower division school, run wild for 2,000 yards and enjoy being drafted in the third round next season!

  • utwingnut
    April 17, 2010 1:31 p.m.

    RE: Mike | 11:08 a.m. April 17, 2010

    “But he has still deeply offended many people and we as fans and members of the community deserve a public apology.”

    Mike,
    No we do not deserve a public apology. If anything these two young people deserve our support, but more than that they deserve for all of us to “BUTT OUT.”

  • SportsFan
    April 17, 2010 1:30 p.m.

    re: Mike

    I wouldn't think a Utah troll would have even had first thought about getting BYU season tickets next year.

  • utahcountyute
    April 17, 2010 12:54 p.m.

    Correction: The young lady was on the basketball team i guess. my bad

    Sportsfan and Yferlyfe: Are you two roommates on campus and been in the singles ward a bit too long? Seem just a tad bitter and self conscious. cheers

  • Blue Blooded
    April 17, 2010 11:52 a.m.

    Given that this year will be an obvious "full-frontal reload", just think about what a massive blow it would be if we beat the Utes.

    I think that's the objective fellow Cougs. This year will be a raving success when we silence those in red at RES this year and SHUT THE UTES DOWN! All other wins will just be gravy.

    BTW: Last time I checked, Jonny Harline is still wide open in the endzone at Rice Eccles Stadium.

  • utahcountyute
    April 17, 2010 11:49 a.m.

    re:yferlyfe. We don't need an honor code to live righteously up on the hill! We as LDS live by the same "honor code" everywhere dude.

    Get over yourself.

    You all sound like this is the end of their life. Even the mighty will fall. Maybe just maybe though, they will learn something and have a better life than if they were the star running back or star volleyball player for another year. Good luck Harvey and Kaelani!

  • Andermart
    April 17, 2010 11:47 a.m.

    I hope for the best for you two. BYU will survive, but here is to the two of you surviving the media and public opinion poll. I think you could make it back in the fall and still compete for the Cougars. I am afraid that transferring to another school would cost you a year of eligibility.

  • defibman
    April 17, 2010 11:42 a.m.

    To AggieFan74: Wow, some fan you are. Do you not realize that a player who transfers to another Div 1 school has to sit out a year? Oh, that's right, USU is not a Div 1 school....or is it they just don't play like one?

  • Mike
    April 17, 2010 11:33 a.m.

    Having second thoughts about getting BYU season tickets next fall...

  • SportsFan
    April 17, 2010 11:19 a.m.

    Poor little hedgehog; he's going to be soooo disappointed when the BYU running game is just as strong without Harvey.

    What kind of sound does a whiney little hedgehog make?

  • BlueCoug
    April 17, 2010 11:15 a.m.

    re: hedgehog

    Predictions are that things will work out just fine; Harvey will learn and be a better person from this experience and the BYU football program will continue to move forward with or without Harvey.

    BYU has a deep talent pools of running backs; the Cougars will make adjustments and move on.

  • Duh
    April 17, 2010 11:09 a.m.

    To Y4LYFE @ 8:14 a.m. Your right, this is not UTAH this is BYU. They don't stoop to the pressures of society and conform or condone certain issues. Many here have assumed what might have happened, maybe it did, maybe it didn't but I will leave that to Harvey if he wants to explain it. At least there is no one at BYU leaking information. I do love to see the support that they are both getting. They are human, I am human, we all make mistakes. Learn from them and move on. I am sure they will.

  • Mike
    April 17, 2010 11:08 a.m.

    This will have a huge impact on the BYU football team next year.

    Harvey was more than just a great running back--arguably the best in BYU history--he was a leader and an example.

    To lose that, and to have something like this happen, is a shame for this BYU program. We take pride in these players representing this university, and when this happens--it sends the wrong message about BYU and what the Church stands for. Like it or not, BYU is an extension of the Church--and this school is watched very closely around the country as a model for excellence in pious conduct and exemplary behavior.

    I am happy to see his sincerity in resolving it by withdrawing, but he has still deeply offended many people and we as fans and members of the community deserve an public apology.

  • UtahGal
    April 17, 2010 11:05 a.m.

    I am no BYU fan but I was always amazed watching Mr Unga play football, I thought he was incredible tough. Sorry for him and the young lady. I just hope they decided to finish their educations -Sports is great but an education is more important.

  • Duh
    April 17, 2010 11:03 a.m.

    To JamesP @6:37am. Championships are not the number 1 focus at BYU. I am one to realize that rooting for BYU is knowing that the possibility of a Football Championship would be almost impossible. I will continue to support BYU for what they represent.

  • hedgehog
    April 17, 2010 10:52 a.m.

    Any predictions for next year? anyone?

    crickets crickets crickets

  • MoJules
    April 17, 2010 10:50 a.m.

    I view this like the girls rugby team who have made the choice that they will not play on the Sabbath. I admire this young couple for having the strength and commitment to honor the code of their religion and school, by choosing to resolve it. For me, this shows their strength and the past is the past. For their sake, let that go, encourage them as they move forward, they will be better people in the end for going through this. How many times has a player been sidelined for a year because of an injury, this is their injury, and I wish them the best in their recovery.

  • SoCalTrueBlue
    April 17, 2010 10:03 a.m.

    In case you don't make it back in a Cougar uniform, thank you, Harvey, for giving 100% to the team. Watching you play for 3 years has been awesome. Best wishes in all your future endeavors on and off the field.

  • svutility
    April 17, 2010 9:48 a.m.

    Harvey, I want you to know you've been an inspiration to me, and I know that your path is a lot harder than a lot of folks. Cougar Nation wants you to succeed, and we support you! Everyone makes mistakes, even good people, so take heart and know that people are praying for the two of you and want you to succeed. Don't give up and don't worry about what others think. You're a great person and you're proving it by acknowledging a mistake and fixing it. If you can't make it back to the team, you will be missed, but you will have our support every step of the way!

  • BlueCoug
    April 17, 2010 9:47 a.m.

    I feel bad for Harvey and Kaelani; everyone makes mistakes, but this would be a tough way to end their careers at BYU. I hope that they can work things out and return to finish their education at BYU. Most of all, I wish them well and thank them for all they've done for BYU.

  • Dennis
    April 17, 2010 9:02 a.m.

    The sad thing about this entire situation is an institution that makes it so hard for young men and women to grow into themselves. The hand of judgement creeps in and ruins many a young relationship and shapes the poor kids future with that glaring eye of "we know what you did"!
    I'm sorry Harvey and Kaelani.
    I hope you find happiness and peace in your lives.

  • Idaho Coug
    April 17, 2010 8:58 a.m.

    What a bummer! This will truly be the season of the freshman for the Cougs. Any other university and this wouldn't even register a blip on the radar but BYU is who it is. It seems like a stretch to think Harvey could make it back for fall. If he can't make it back for fall it seems his options are to either try to make the NFL now through free agency or the supplemental draft or transfer immediately to a lower division school and tear it up for 2,000 yards. S Utah, Dixie or Snow would take him tomorrow and he would at least stay on the NFL radar. Let's not forget that even if they didn't stay within the exact letter of the BYU honor code law - these kids are still great kids.

    On one hand we believe our "standards" make our kids that much better. But in situations like this it is the sole reason that two great kids are having their names thrown around in the media as having done something "wrong". At any other school both these kids would be held out as shining examples.

  • Jimmy James
    April 17, 2010 8:58 a.m.

    I'm a Ute fan, but I feel bad for Harvey on this one. He's a great football player and from what I've heard a great guy as well.

    I'm glad to hear he's making things right. It takes boatloads of character to go through the repentance process when you know that because of who you are, everyone and their dog will know and be watching.

    On the one hand, I wish that this wouldn't have to be reported and let it remain a personal matter between Harvey, his Bishop and God (as it normally is for most people, and would be the respectful thing to do.) On the other hand though, if the Deseret News didn't report this, I think the news would have probably surfaced anyways and a lot of people would have then come after D-News with pitchforks for not having "journalistic integrity" in reporting this, just like they did with the Kevin Garn situation.

    Either way, good luck Harvey. I hope you can make it back in time for your final season!

  • AggieFan74
    April 17, 2010 8:40 a.m.

    Hey Harvey-the Aggies are looking for a running back. If you're the real deal you could light-up the WAC, remain close to home, continue your education, and still enter the NFL draft next season.

  • Y4LYFE
    April 17, 2010 8:14 a.m.

    If he was at Utah he'd be praised for it. Too bad he couldn't just get a suspension for a few games instead. Go NFL

  • Tom Smith
    April 17, 2010 8:07 a.m.

    BYU certainly puts a lot of pressure on its students and athletes. It would be great to see these two fine young people back--wish them well.

  • Big Hapa
    April 17, 2010 7:50 a.m.

    Harvey will be missed. I pray he and his sweetheart can workout there life issues together. However, thankfuly there is a huge stable of running backs yes loosing a senior in Unga will expose an interresting leadership role model to fill. I beleive Brian Kariya can take over that spot with the running backs,with his Junoir year as a solid base and his life lessons learned from the mission field, and now as a married man Brian is a sold guy that can step up and fill that role on the field and off. Also, with big "Q" freshman { sorry I know I will murder his last name } and DiLuigi, Mendenhal, Hague and I am sure many more the "Y" faithful can take a deep breath and relax, it will all workout.

  • Louisiana Cougar
    April 17, 2010 7:46 a.m.

    This experience is incredibly BYU.

    I wish these two young people every good thing in their lives!

  • Dixie Dan
    April 17, 2010 7:11 a.m.

    He can always enroll at Dixie like Reno Mahi did a few years ago.

  • hedgehog
    April 17, 2010 6:51 a.m.

    How exactly is BYU going to move the ball next year? 6-5 doesn't seem out of the question.

  • JamesP
    April 17, 2010 6:37 a.m.

    it must be tricky for BYU to balance the ethical opposites of exploiting young athletes for absurd sums of money on one hand, while taking a stand about "moral character" on the other.

    i know, i know. "if students who don't want to live by the honor code want to play college sports, they shouldn't move to provo." the flipside of that argument is that if BYU doesn't want to deal with outstanding college athletes, they shouldn't expect championship-winning teams.

  • CougarBlue
    April 17, 2010 6:28 a.m.

    This is not good news. Hope they can get things straightened out. Someone will now have to step up and be the star.

  • Laser
    April 17, 2010 6:07 a.m.

    It's OK Harvey, football is not as important as getting things straight in your personal life, whatever they may be. You've come so far, don't give up now. No matter what happens you have our full support as cougar fans!

  • Cats
    April 17, 2010 5:53 a.m.

    If Harvey works out his problems, he can be back in school by fall semester. I certainly hope they both can work it out and get back.

    I remember one time at the end of a game I looked up at the score board and there was a posting up there that said, "Kaelani will you marry me, Love Harvey." Nobody made anything of it which surprised me. I thought maybe it would make it on the sports news.

    Anyway, obviously they didn't get married, but they have continued a relationship for a long time. I hope they can work out their issues and get back in school by fall. I see no reason why they can't. But, I really appreciate the fact that BYU has these standards.

    Good luck Harvey and Kaelani. And...I hope you guys get married soon.

  • 3rdGenAggie
    April 17, 2010 2:18 a.m.

    He'll get it straightened out and be back for fall semester.

  • What Yeah
    April 17, 2010 1:39 a.m.

    Wow. This one hurts.
    Good luck Harvey.
    We all make mistakes, and I know you can bounce back from this.
    We're praying for you.

  • utwingnut
    April 16, 2010 11:27 p.m.

    It's starting to look like we may have a freshman running back playing next year as well as a freshman QB.

  • MarineMan
    April 16, 2010 11:07 p.m.

    Noooooooooooo!

  • Big_Ben
    April 16, 2010 11:00 p.m.

    As a ute fan, i feel bad about this. Harvey is a stellar athlete and seems like a great kid. Best of luck to you Harvey. He would have been great this year taking pressure off of the new quarterback. But, as the old cliche goes, it is what it is.

  • kiaoraguy
    April 16, 2010 11:00 p.m.

    lots of sad faces in Happy Valley tonight. Since hardly any of us know the whole truth tonight, let's keep the trash out of it- there are a lot of glass houses out there...

  • ExAFvet
    April 16, 2010 10:55 p.m.

    re goodDr. I think the deadline to declare for the draft was in the middle of January.

    I don't know how the honor code works but in the paper it said they would have to at least miss one semester. I hope Unga and Keilani will re-enroll or at least transfer to another school to finish their education. It would be a waste to get that far and have nothing to show for it.

  • SD Blue
    April 16, 2010 10:46 p.m.

    This is definitely an unfortunate circumstance. I hope Harvey can get things put together. I agree with Bronco, football is one thing, but Harvey straightening this out is the most important thing. Good Luck Harvey!!!!

    I guess now we will be able to see Juice a lot more if Harvey can't make it back.

    Go Cougars!!!!

  • Creeper51
    April 16, 2010 10:45 p.m.

    Ha

  • OlpuebloguyInWyo
    April 16, 2010 10:33 p.m.

    BUMMER.

  • John Stewart Pill
    April 16, 2010 10:11 p.m.

    You have GOT to be kidding me. Oh man.

  • goodDr.
    April 16, 2010 9:37 p.m.

    Really? You can only hope the best for a young person who breaks rules. Get everything in order and worry about football second. Also, is it too late for him to declare for the NFL draft if he can't get back in school?

  • runnerguy50
    April 16, 2010 9:32 p.m.

    Hope everything is ok with both of them.

  • SD Hansen
    April 16, 2010 9:27 p.m.

    Harvey is the man. Regardless.