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Published: Friday, April 16 2010 9:15 p.m. MDT

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utahcountyute

Utah Alum,

Whoa there, no sarcasm was intended bud. If you were following the blog, you would have seen that I was commenting on what mr yferlye had said. Something like "he would be praised up at the U" for what he did. chill

will_a

I think this is a good time to recognize all the great student athletes at BYU that choose to live by its standards, and Harvey's commitment to make things right. He's done a lot of great things for BYU the past three years and whether he plays this year or not, he has been a class act in my mind.

(Obviously many athletes at many universities have just as high or higher standards than BYU athletes, but the honor code often exposes shortcomings, so I think it takes a lot of courage for these highly recruited athletes to choose BYU)

bookonwomen

RE; Idaho Coug | 2:35 p.m. April 17, 2010

Your comment is dead on, I agree 100%.

Mike

Re: utwingnut

With a name like that, it is little wonder you are telling people to butt out. I am also going to guess that you are either a BYU zealot or a Ute fan.

Of course Unga should apologize publicly--Tiger Woods did!

Since when do you come and speak for what Unga owes us as fans?

He has let us down with his behavior off the field.

When you say we need to butt out, you are just covering their tracks. You need to realize that if Tiger Woods had to apologize, these two really should too.

Being from BYU does not exempt them from the public shame they have given us now.

When an athlete (yes, college ones too) make mistakes like this, they need to apologize to the fans who hold them up as role models for their children.

My children are now asking me why he would do that--why would someone who goes to BYU think that violating the Honor Code is okay?

My children are not stupid! How am I supposed to explain this to them?

Get some common sense and make these athletes be responsible for the impact of their choices.


utahcountyute

sportsfan

Sorry if I struck a cord there but it comes out in every one of your comments. You call me immature, but it never fails that on a Ute article you come in there guns loaded looking to beat your chest about something. When you point one finger at me, 3 are pointing back at you.
Good luck Harvey and Kaelani!

AZ Dave

One and done Harvey?

Buster

Re:To the father that can't tell his kids:

I nominate you for parent of the year.

If you are trying to sound sincere, nice try. Serious, you can't explain this to your child? How do YOU even function in this world?

My suggestion, put your children in foster care until they are 18 so they can grow up normal and adjusted to life.

BostonCambridge

"He who is without sin cast the first stone"

The Lord doesn't condemn them, and neither should we.

Harvey and Keilani are wonderful people.

BYU shouldn't have made a joint press release. They are separate people, who play separate sports. To include them together feels like a joint condemnation.

Although I believe that Mike at 11:08 has a point...I take issue with part of his logic:

"...when this happens--it sends the wrong message about BYU and what the Church stands for. Like it or not, BYU is an extension of the Church--and...is watched very closely around the country as a model for excellence in pious conduct and exemplary behavior."

I think BYU would gain more respect by demonstrating love and forgiveness for people who find themselves in difficult situations rather than kicking them out of school. It's one thing to "appear" like Jesus and another to actually be like Jesus.

What if BYU lifted its policy of expelling students who break the honor code? Fear of punishment is the lowest form of motivation for moral behavior. If this is the case...there is not much "honor" to the code.

utwingnut

RE: Mike | 4:25 p.m. April 17, 2010

"They need to apologize to the fans who hold them up as role models for their children."

They need to apologize to each other for letting each other down, they need to apologize to God, they do not owe you or your children (Not mine either) anything.

My children are not stupid!

True, children today are not stupid

How am I supposed to explain this to them?

I plan to use this as a teaching opportunity to explain that each action has its consequences. I suggest that you do the same. People can learn from both good and bad examples. Along with that they can learn that people are human, they make mistakes and they move on with life. These two young people are paying life tuition right now and they do not need their neighbors castigating them for what they may or may not have done wrong.

There is more to the screen name of UTWINGNUT than I think you are catching onto right now. Peace be with you my friend.

LP Grad, BYU Alum

This is rediculous looking at some of these comments here. First off, BYU didn't expel the students at all. They VOLUNTARILY withdrew from the university. If they had not done so, they would have had a review from the honor code office to determine if they would stay at the university. So Kudos to them for understanding the honor code and manning up to the consequences instead of hoping to slide by. That shows integrity.

We all assume that the two engaged in pre-marital intimacy, though that has not been made clear. Could be drugs, could be cheating during finals week, could be any number of things. Don't jump to conclusions.

As for apologies, they don't owe anyone but God and their coaches/teams an apology for letting them down. The rest of us live our own private lives and don't apologize to others for our own private mistakes, so why should we expect an apoogy from him?

This tarnishing the church's reputation? I don't think so. This was two students manning up to the consequences of their actions, and the university giving full support for their personal growth. Kudos to BYU.

bobosmom

I hope the best for them. May God bless them in there future endeavors.

coachcarter

come to SUU. You and Kelani can both star here

CG

re: Idaho Coug

You sound like an enabling apologist who is unable or unwilling to commit to a higher standard.

Thousands of students choose to attend BYU precisely because of the higher standard required by the Honor Code of students who attend BYU.

If that's not your cup up of tea, then you're welcome to go to any other school.

SportsFan

No cord struck ucu; I just consider the source.

higv

The thing about the school is so many people want to get in that would leave the Honor Code that can't get in. How would you feel if someone like him gets into school and you don't when you would of lived the Honor Code.

I was at then Ricks College when DAvid Bednar the President at the time said if you have no desire to live hear go someone else. You have no claim on the church resources. And told of a girl not admitted To Ricks College that would of kept the honor code.

Is it fair to students that don't get admitted that would of kept the honor code to allow people that do not keep it in? As for Second Chances how would you feel if you never had a first chance to go to BYU to see violaters get Second Chances.

U of U Fan

Best of luck to Unga.

hedgehog

Who cares. He chose to go to a school that doesn't allow mistakes or extends forgiveness.

What I'm more interested in is how the coug fans are going to position their football team. Will they use Unga getting the boot as the excuse for stinking next fall? Truth is, BYU would have struggled even with Unga.

Cosmo's Cousin

We don't have too much to worry about. Believe me you! Our new guys are better than the "old guard." This turn of events is to the Blue's advantage. We're going to sneak up on everyone thinking we're not going to be good.

The BLUE will still win the MWC in 2010!

SportsFan

re: hedgehog

No need to position anything hogwart. BYU has a stable of running backs, and unlike Utah, BYU doesn't rebuild, BYU reloads.

That's why BYU has multiple 3 straight Top 25 finishes, or more, while Utah has never had more than 2.

ute1

Harvey should have gone to the U after all. He would have been a good 3rd stringer behind Wide and Asiata. Then he would be allowed to make a mistake without being raked over the coals. He made a mistake get off his back he is a good kid he will be fine.

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