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Published: Thursday, April 15 2010 12:00 a.m. MDT

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davidjay

47% of people pay no federal income tax. Utah has big families and small incomes. If I remember my schooling that should equal Utah people don't pay much income tax.

All this pork barrel money comes from taxes. Utah gets twice the national average. This state will lose money when the federal government is removed by the Tea Party. Utah already has budget problems funding necessary programs. Utah will be in real trouble after the tea party gets its way in november.

Maybe we should rethink.

williary

Typical hypocrisy from Utah Republicans. Nothing new here.

Except that the DNews actually published it.

JohnJacobJingleHeimerSchmidt

Tea Party people are devoid of critical thinking and would chop their noses off to spite their faces. Senator Bennett is one of the most conservative senators yet some want to toss him out over one issue. Silly thinking no matter what party you belong to.

Brother Chuck Schroeder

Thanks Utah (that don't want to raise taxes), the 9,129 projects in the report represent a 10.2 percent decline from the 10,160 projects identified in fiscal year 2009, and the $16.5 billion in cost is a 15.5 percent decrease from the $19.6 billion in pork in fiscal year 2009. I guess Bob Bennett wants to get re-elected, and Hatch wants to quit, all red faced.

Brother Chuck Schroeder

Here's the big question's. Palin rallies tea partiers with anti-tax message but while flying around the Country, has she read on the plain the new 2010 annual "Pig Book" on pork spending and earmarks from the GOP?. Yes the GOP are all angel's, but is there strip clubs in Utah, because now a complaint about how Utah County Republican Party officials handled donations received during recent party caucuses may result in changes to make sure donations are properly recorded and reported.

JohnJacobJingleHeimerSchmidt

Senator Hatch was at town hall meeting expressing his shared anger at Washington spending...wait a minute...oh wait, it is different when he does it, of course, silly me.

UtahBlueDevil

This is a great example of how wrapped this debate has become. You have one side so fixated on being anti anything and everything that they can't pull up long enough to have a reasonable debate on the value of these projects to this state. As mentioned before, "pork" or directed spending doesn't always equate to waste - often quit the contrary. Discussion should be around the value of these projects, not some petty pent up feelings about an individual.

As long as the vocal fraction of the Republicans party keeps pushing for party purity, the party is doomed. Consensus comes through compromise, meeting in the middle. The "take our toys and go home" approach is just was immature and silly as adults as it was when we were 6 years old. Writer here that promote such tactics don't understand the realities of governing a diverse land with divers people. Sorry, it can't all be just your way.

Pagan

'As long as the vocal fraction of the Republicans party keeps pushing for party purity, the party is doomed.' - 6:16 p.m.

This is a very good point. And often why many recive such scrutiny when promoting 'family values' and cheating on spouses.
The continual quest for 'purity' is self-defeating. As, only through diversity, can many examples achieve any real amount of success.
We don't like you if your gay. We don't like you if your black. We don't like you if your this. We don't like you if your that.
Eventually, there will only be one person left in the room.

Screwdriver

Friends.... :) McCain again proved that Obama has saved the nation another trillion dollars in goverment spending and morein skyrocketing oil prices just by beating McCain in the election.

McCain said," It's time to pull the trigger on Iran." So he would be invading Iran right now if he were president.

Thank you Obama, most of all for NOT being McCain.

Brother Chuck Schroeder

Let's talk pork - America is the best place on planet earth, and we are the best high tech place also, then if this is true, because the GOP built it that way, supporting big business, then, why do we still have to call India for tech support ?. You betcha we are smart, A California university president said a portion of a contract between a school foundation and Sarah Palin for an upcoming speech was stolen from a campus administrator's office last week. California State University, Stanislaus president Hamid Shirvani said the five-page document at the center of an escalating controversy over access to records was taken from a recycling bin inside the office of Susana Gajic-Bruyea, vice president for university advancement. I guess their getting attacked over political ideology also. In 2009, CSU spent 40 percent of the money raised by its auxiliary organizations or $570 million on instruction, research and academic support. Their auxiliaries play a vital role in making sure we can provide the best educational experience possible for our students. Duh!.

My2Cents

What ever the reason Pork Barrel funds were obtained for Utah does not mean these funds are used as intended.

Utah laws put all funds in the state budget then divvy up the funds for any use. If the pork funds were used as obtained, this states budget would be in trouble. Just like funds obtained through bonds and bonding the citizens, they too end up in the state budget with token amounts used on the bond approvals.

Our legislators should practice what they preach and cut pork funding along with other federal costs. The best solution is to eliminate earmarks to states and put all funding on the books to be scrutinized and approved by Congress. Earmarks bypass the approval process and often are wasteful spending of tax funds.

UtahBlueDevil

Brother Chuck... and that has to do with Pork how?

Pork funded much of what we now have as a tech industry. Many startups in bio medical and raw technology had their grass roots in government grants and pork, and still do. As a country, we have a tradition of pork. The wast was established through pork to the railroads.

Let's clear the haze of political rhetoric, and talk reality. Sure we could get rid of pork, but then we would also watch our technology advantage evaporate when compared to Europe and Asia where their governments still fund basic research.

Do you really think Boeing would have be producing the carbon fibre Dreamliner if it were not for funds funneled to it where the basic research was funded by the DOD.

Earl

Tell me if I'm wrong, but earmarks don't actually increase spending, right? They only reallocate the amount that's already been appropriated. If that's so, why is it so bad to let it come back home instead of letting federal administrators decide where they want to spend it? Earmarks are not the enemy, but the appropriations usually are.

Pagan

'Tell me if I'm wrong, but earmarks don't actually increase spending, right?' - 7:45 a.m.

Earl, your wrong.

Earmarks take tax funding and allocate them to states as requested.
If the states did not REQUEST

Pagan

Sorry, typo.

'Tell me if I'm wrong, but earmarks don't actually increase spending, right?' - 7:45 a.m.

Earl, your wrong.

Earmarks take tax funding and allocate them to states as requested.
If the states did not REQUEST said funds, they might go somewhere else.
Like, Oh I dunno, towards our national deficit?
The same national deficit every republican office has been dead set against the last, two, years.
However, strangely, said nothing the last 10.
If America actually kept its federal dollars and used it towards its debt we might see it *gasp go down!
However, our state goverments would collapse in 15 days.
So, strangely states advocate federal funds...
while at the same time advocating against federal spending.
This 'the money does good' argument sounds weak when presented with the facts that states claim the federal goverment 'meddles' in our lives.
Do or don't.
But don't try both.
If your against federal goverment, you shouldn't ask for federal money.
Because you just admited by proxy, the state needs the federal goverment you 'fighting' against.

Brother Chuck Schroeder


RE: UtahBlueDevil | 5:33 a.m. April 15, 2010
Brother Chuck... Pork funded much of what we now have as a tech industry. Many startups in bio medical and raw technology had their grass roots in government grants and pork, and still do.


Reply Back: Your right, we really don't need to watch our technology evaporate, it already did decades ago, with the start of Windows 5. America is to be the best place on planet earth, and we are to be the best high tech place also, then if this is true, because the GOP built it that way through de-regulations, supporting big business, then, why do we still have to call India for tech support ?. ALL the pork, and earmarks needs to stop, that's the bottom line. Glenn Beck is planning to replace our democracy with a fascist Mormon regime and how he's relying on a Saudi Arabian terrorist sympathizer to help him do it. At this point, there are two types of people in America, the 10 million people who pay attention to Glenn Beck and the 294 million who try, and fail, to ignore him.

Esquire

I've said it all along. Utahns love the federal money, despite their huffing and puffing about the evil feds, deficits and taxes. It isn't the federal dollars I have a problem with. It's the hypocrisy of our Congressional delegation and the right wingers of this state. "Cut spending, except for us" is their mantra.

Eliot

In my opinion, earmarks or pork are just a symptom of a very large problem. The problem is the size and scope of the federal government fueled by deficit spending. It makes little sense to me that we would find it acceptable to tax ourselves, send the revenue across the country and then bring it back to our communities to fund local projects. I see that as wasteful. Nevertheless, it is not this type of discretionary funding which is really causing the big problems for our nation. What is really getting us into trouble is the nondiscretionary funding. The unfunded mandates associated with social security and medicare will be the ruin of our nation because I just don't see how we are going to meet those obligations. It is very easy to point fingers and accuse one group or another of hypocrisy or whatever but I don't think that is very helpful. We have some big problems that we need to solve and I think it will take all of us working together to get it done.

davidjay

It may not be "this type of discretionary funding" which is the problem, but this type of discretionary funding is symptomatic of the problem. Social Security and Medicare would still be in good shape if their funds had been kept in a "trust fund" where they could have earned interest. However, it was decided to lump these funds into the general fund.

Earmarks are a prime example of "false talk" or political mumbo jumbo or whatever you want to call it. A bunch of old men who believe they know better how to spend our money.

The real issue is one of honesty. Honesty to our self. Once we destroy the federal government we will have less money to spend here in Utah. We now get back much more than we give. If you are alright with that, then by all mean continue to bad mouth the feds. Carry signs and scream until you are blue in the face. By all means enjoy yourself.

Just know that your Utah taxes will have to go up to try to maintain the roads, schools and other infrastructure.

Billy Bob

I have said this before and I will say it again. Big spending is not a partisan problem. Democrats and Republicans are both responsible, Democrats just generally more so. This is exactly the reason we need to vote everyone out, eliminate the two party system (thus letting everyone vote for principles rather then parties), and have term limits for ever elected position. I guarantee if we did this, corruption in government and pork spending would decrease dramatically.

That is why I no longer call myself a "republican". Rather, I am a Conservative Libertarian. No true conservative is for massive federal spending.

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