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Utah Utes basketball: Jim Boylen says U. will improve despite defections

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  • Mike
    April 16, 2010 3:55 p.m.

    Jim Boylen is not a very good coach. He makes excuses for the reasons he can't keep his players and tries to justify his losing history by speaking in vernacular cliches.

    It is shameful that Ute fans don't see this, and they need to wake up to the reality that their basketball program is in shambles.

    When their best player is screwing around and

    INDIVIDUALISM

    becomes more important than

    TEAM

    then you have a huge problem in your program with articulating and communicating expectations to your players.

    You have a breakdown in trust and relationships.

    I personally believe Jim Boylen is a poor coach. It is reflected in how amateur his sideline pacing and speech are.

    He needs to wise up and grow up, set a better example for his players and walk the walk, instead of just talking the talk.

    It is little wonder he recruits players that care more about padding their stats than about the team--Boylen seems to care more about covering his own tracks than taking responsibility for his program's failures.

    Arizona and Iowa should consider themselves fortunate they didn't hire him.

  • SportsFan
    April 16, 2010 9:28 a.m.

    I already know you'll dodge the following questions because you'll be too emabarrassed to answer, but, since you're such an expert on that 1944 Utah team, tell me:

    What conference did Utah play in in 1944?

    What was the Ute's conference record?

    Did the Utes win the conference championship?

    Why didn't Utah play BYU in 1944?

    Besides the following, who else did Utah play in 1944?

    Idaho State 54-43
    @Colorado College 48-34
    @Idaho State 52-40

    NIT Tournament
    Kentucky L 38-46

    NCAA Tournament
    Missouri 45-35
    Iowa State 40-31
    Dartmouth 42-40 (OT)

    A 6-1 record for a "national champion"?

    Impressive!

  • utahcountyute
    April 16, 2010 8:30 a.m.

    What, you're not going to comment on my supposed name calling? Best part of my post.

    If you want to call them the NCAA tournament champions that's fine. Still falls in the same list as Kentucky in 51, Cinci in 61, UCLA in 71, Indiana in 81, Duke in 91, 2001, and 2010. And check it out, the Utes were in 3 other final 4s so it was no fluke.

    I guess you do have alot to Yne about.

  • SportsFan
    April 15, 2010 7:27 p.m.

    Winning the 2nd rate tournament of the day, after losing in the 1st rate tournament does not earn you a national championship.

    Being ranked #1 in every major poll of the day does earn you a national championship.

    Utah won an NCAA tournament championship in 1944.

    BYU won a National Championship in 1984.

  • utahcountyute
    April 15, 2010 4:46 p.m.

    Yeah it's not so anonymous anymore. Your quote from above @1204 "the ewes are so pathetic". Very adult like I must say. LOL. Most yners are hypocrites as well.

    The fact still remains, however you want to spin it, THE U OF U WAS THE NC in BASKETBALL IN 1944.

    If you really want to dissect a championship, try the one in 1984. Talk about a championship to forget! What was Michigan like 6 and 5? If you go by those standards, the U would have a NC in football in 08,right? I wish. We were not that lucky.

  • SportsFan
    April 15, 2010 2:37 p.m.

    Not really; basketball was in transition in the late 40's. The NIT was established first and was the more prestigious tournament in 1944.

    The proof of that is Utah accepting their invitation to the NIT tournament and turning down their invitation to the NCAA.

    It was simply a fluke that Utah even played in the 1944 NCAA tournament. Utah lost in the opening round of the NIT to Kentucky. The Arkansas team bus crashed and Arkansas withdrew from the NCAA tournament. Since Utah was already in New York, site-seeing, the NCAA invited Utah to replace Arkansas.

    Three years later, 1947, the NCAA had surpassed the NIT as the more prestigious tournament. Bad timing for Utah claiming a National Championship, but that's just the way it was.

    It's too bad that juvenile bloggers sometimes resort to name-calling when someone disagrees with them, but that's expected on an anonymous blog like this.

  • utahcountyute
    April 15, 2010 1:58 p.m.

    Re Sportsfan:

    So the whole argument that you made that Utah has never won an NC in basketball is just you trying to feel better about your own program never winning one or even being in the same zip code? There I thought you actually had evidence to back your rantings up. Guess not. Like soooo many yners that have come and will keep coming.

  • SportsFan
    April 15, 2010 12:54 p.m.

    Nice try utahcountyute, but by 1947, the NCAA tournament was the more prestigious tournament.

    Otherwise, BYU, which won the NIT in 1951 and 1966, would have a couple of National Championships in basketball.

    Utah has fallen waaay behind BYU in the last 5 years, so go on living in the past, like so many Utah fans accuse BYU fans of doing.

    Utah has done much better in the tournament in the past than BYU, and I give the Utes credit for that, but just playing in the NCAA tournament is an honor, an honor which BYU has enjoyed the last 4 years.

    It's been 5 years since Utah won an NCAA tournament game and Utah was embarrassed in their last tournament appearance.

    BYU won a game this year.

  • utahcountyute
    April 15, 2010 12:24 p.m.

    re:Sportsfan

    Well, if your definitions hold, Utah won the NIT, the most "prestigious" tournament of the day, in 1947. Nice try though. Come on man, you cannot compare ybu to the U in basketball. Not possible. You have no history.

  • Utah Alum
    April 15, 2010 11:00 a.m.

    Utah did win the NCAA tournament in 1944, but it would be a stretch to call that a NC.

  • utahcountyute
    April 15, 2010 10:45 a.m.

    I have to agree that Hines coming back is a good thing. Interesting the anouncement came after Henderson left. Could Boylen have said to Hines that the door to more playing time would be opening up for him and he stayed? I think so.

    I'll start worrying about basketball again around the time we beat Notre Dame in football in Southbend though. Will be fun.

  • SportsFan
    April 15, 2010 10:43 a.m.

    Check your history:

    1944 - the Utes won the NCAA tourney (the 2nd-rate tourney of the day) after first LOSING, decisively, to Kentucky, in the NIT (the most prestigious tourney).

    Utah only won 3 regular season games in 1944 (Idaho State, twice; Colorado College).

    Every other team in the Rocky Mountain area, as well as most other teams around the country, suspended their basketball programs in 1944.

    BYU suspended their basketball program in December, 1943.

    The few remaining teams were composed mostly of freshmen, because most of the upper-classmen had been drafted into the military for World War II.

    Utah didn't win a National Championship in 1944; the Utes won the most watered-down, and therefore, the most meaningless, NCAA tournament in history.

    That's a fact!

  • utahcountyute
    April 15, 2010 10:09 a.m.

    re: sportsfan : I did't think your screen name fit anyway but the Utes of old won a NC in 1944. Go take a look and you might learn something about The Utes storied basketball program. ybu has never even sniffed at one.

    Florida was a good win this year but please stop trying to put your basketball program on the level with the U. As I have stated before, it takes decades of great basketball to be able to say you have a storied program.

    GO UTES!

  • Fiddler
    April 15, 2010 10:06 a.m.

    Qwest: No, we don't own you based on 2 of the last 2, we own you based on 7 of the last 8. I noticed you wanted to switch over to football, fine with us, 3 of 4. Keep living in the past with your football and bball programs because that is all you have.

  • Utah Alum
    April 15, 2010 9:15 a.m.

    To: THEeyepatch

    Playing basically the same level of competition, BYU has won 45 more games and lost 37 fewer games during the last five years than Utah. And Utah has also had some really ugly losses at home to teams like SW Baptist, Seattle and Idaho during that stretch.

    BYU hasn't suffered double-digit losses in a single season since Dave Rose became BYU's head coach and the Cougars haven't finished worse than 2nd in the MWC.

    Utah has suffered double-digit losses in every single season during the last five years and has usually finished around 6th in the MWC.

    Anyway you slice it, BYU has clearly been the much better basketball program during the last five years, with little chance that will change next year.

  • BlueCoug
    April 15, 2010 8:44 a.m.

    re: THEeyepatch | 11:23 p.m.

    "Getting better as in... wins a year. Are there any banners hanging in the Marriott Center with wins a year, I would think ... Conference Championship banners would be more impressive, don't you?"

    One of the most ridiculous comments made on this blog in a long time.

    Since your crimson-colored glasses have obviously clouded your vision of reality, here's a reminder of recent history:

    Last 5 Seasons (MWC)
    2010 BYU 30-6 (2nd) Utah 14-17 (5th)
    2009 BYU 25-8 (1st) Utah 25-10 (1st)
    2008 BYU 27-7 (1st) Utah 18-15 (6th)
    2007 BYU 25-9 (1st) Utah 11-19 (6th)
    2006 BYU 20-9 (2nd) Utah 14-15 (6th)
    Total BYU 127-39 (77%) Utah 82-76 (52%)

    BYU has won THREE of the last five MWC championships, and except for Jimmer's illness in the New Mexico game in the Marriott Center, which BYU lost 81-83 with Jimmer too sick to even play the second half, the Cougars would have made it FOUR straight MWC championships.

    BYU is already being projected as a pre-season Top 10 for next year.

    BYU gettting better?

    ABSOLUTELY!!!

  • SportsFan
    April 15, 2010 1:01 a.m.

    Poor eyepatch; working so hard to convince himself that the Utes are still superior.

    Sorry, the Utes have never won a NC in basketball or football.

  • THEeyepatch
    April 14, 2010 11:23 p.m.

    @SportsFan | 8:18 a.m. April 14, 2010

    Getting better as in... wins a year. Are there any banners hanging in the Marriott Center with wins a year, I would think NC Championship banners or at least Conference Championship banners would be more impressive, don't you?

    I don't look at things half-empty or otherwise, they are what they are, because not getting past the second round in 28 years is nothing to pat yourselves on the back about because you won some games, you still have MILES to go before you even get to a NC game. One guy is not going to get you there, beating up on a weak conference is not going to get you there. The Cougars have an alright guard, but take him away, and you have 4 other ballers looking at each other wondering, "what do we do now?" You want to make a Sweet 16, Elite 8, Final 4 or perhaps a NC game? Get a center that can rebound, a forward that has a mid range jumper and maybe something BYU basketball might never have.... speed. Four slow ballers gives you NO chance against the best in the nation.

  • THEeyepatch
    April 14, 2010 10:25 p.m.

    Re: THEeyepatch - "One problem with your post, you're talking like BYU has peaked. Next year's team will be better than this year's."

    THEN:"So not only do Utah fans live in the past, they now also live in the future?"

    So when you say the BYU's team will be much better "NEXT YEAR?" Wouldn't that mean your predicting the future? I do believe that the Cougars have peaked, you really think their going to get better, after K-State exposed them for what they are... a one trick pony. Take away Jimmer, then what do you have? And if Jimmer were to get injured, "NEXT YEARS" prediction is foolish at best. You might have put the jinx on the Cougars.

    If you READ my post, you will notice ONE thing, I never live in the past, I have been the first to say the UTES have a terrible B-Ball team. But there was a time BYU basketball wasn't nothing to brag about also and what comes around goes around. One more thing, "misery loves company." Right, brother?

  • IndianaCoug
    April 14, 2010 7:30 p.m.

    RE: Quest
    The single tournament win after eight first round exits isn't so bad considering the Utes are 0-1 in the last five NCAA tournaments (instead finishing 5th or worse in conference 4 of the five years). Getting to the tournament is a good first step.
    And 2nd place in conference isn't so bad either. Since 2000 the Utes have been ranked twice at the end of the season (18th in 2005, 25th in 2009). BYU has been ranked nearly every season.

  • Big_Ben
    April 14, 2010 5:30 p.m.

    I am pretty excited about Hines decision to return. of the five transferring, he was the only one leaving that I was dissappointed about. He is tough, he defends well. I like his ability to take the ball to the hoop.

    This kid from Casper, I am excited to have him too. Looks like a real shooter, unlike Henderson. The utes should be better next year.

    To my fellow ute fans, the best way to get the cougar fans to leave is to just ignore them. They are on here to get a response. If you just ignore them, they will return to thier own articles. The ones that want to contribute will stay. Same for cougar fans t rying to get rid of obnoxious ute fans.

  • Qwest Perfected
    April 14, 2010 4:24 p.m.

    Fiddler.... so because you won both games against the Utes this year you "own" us??

    I know it's hard to think past the "year of the coog" afterall, you came in 2nd place in the two major sports. Keep pounding your chest about that.

    The year before was Utah's year - we did actually manage to take 1st place in both sports and yes we did go to the BCS for a second time in football. I guess we just set the bar a little higher and have greater expectations for our programs.

    Yes the basketball program is hurting and that is very frustrating for all Utah fans. We are used to winning - not just in conference but in the NCAA tournament too - it seems like it's been forever since we went to the sweet 16 - was that 4 or 5 years ago?? I can't even remember.

    Oh yeah congratulations again on your 1 NCAA tournament win this year - you broke your streak of what 18 years or something right? good job.

    Your team will be good in Bball this year too but probably won't still won't win the conference.

  • utahcountyute
    April 14, 2010 4:18 p.m.

    re y4lyfe

    I'm sure you were not "yferlyfe" when they were 1 and 25.

    I'll continue to stand by my Utes even in a couple down years(total). Keep trying to pile it on though, cause it won't be long before we are back on top. The Utes have a storied program that you wish you could say was yours. Too bad it takes decades of good basketball before you can say that. BOOM!

    GO UTES!

  • Fiddler
    April 14, 2010 3:57 p.m.

    Utahcountyute: BYU has never lost to a team coached by a man and his wife either and they never will. Problem with your trash talk is that season was over 10 years ago, I'm sure BYU can look into the history of bball and find a season where Utah really under achieved. Gimme a minute here... Oh here, we go, last season. Here's an idea, for your next line of trash talk, I think we had a team in the late 70s that really had a tough time. Go easy on us though!

    Qwest Perfected: The best you got is "how many are in the NBA???" LOL!!! So let me get this straight, we own you in basketball but our players aren't going to the NBA, us owning you doesn't mean as much? Wow! You got us there!!! Doesn't that just make your program look worse in that a team that can't get guys to the next level owns you so bad?

  • SportsFan
    April 14, 2010 3:45 p.m.

    One more year with Boylen, with what expected results?

    a winning season?
    finishing better than 6th in the MWC?
    20 wins?
    NCAA tournatment?

    Chances of the Utes finishing above 6th in the MWC are slim.

    BYU, New Mexico, UNLV, and SDSU all return most of their key players and backups from RPI Top 50 teams.

    The chances of the Utes finishing ahead of any of those teams are almost nil.

    Meaning, the Utes will be fighting Colorado State (a team that swept the Utes this year) and Air Force for 5th, 6th and 7th in the MWC.

    Would Boylen survive with a 17-14, 5th-place finish in the MWC next year?

  • Mike
    April 14, 2010 2:34 p.m.

    So these are the excuses Boylen makes for almost half his team leaving, huh?

    How about just owning up to the fact that you had a losing season and playing want to play for a coach that actually WINS? (HINT: BYU)

    Don't expect to see Boylen around after next year when Utah finishes even worse...

  • Qwest Perfected
    April 14, 2010 2:18 p.m.

    I'm for giving Boylen one more year - but I would really want to see some drastic improvement with this team.

    I will not miss Henderson at all - he should have never been given that much playing time in the first place - the kid is a punk who thinks the game revolves around him. Maybe he can find a school that his Dad can coach at again.

    The problem I'm having is that most of the players that have left are Boylen's recruits - I'm still not sure what Hines is doing, it kind of sounds like he may come back afterall. But this tells me that Boylen is a bad judge of talent. The fact that the team didn't improve at all is also very concerning - I question Boylens ability to coach.

    There is so much involved with coaching at the D1 level and I get the feeling that Boylen is in way over his head.

    I also agree that Tommy Connor would be a great replacement.

    As to the byu fans piling on - you have had a few good players over the last few years - how many are in the NBA??

  • pocyUte
    April 14, 2010 1:46 p.m.

    RE: Utah Alum, actually, Mark Jackson was a primetime player who left Majerus, only to come back under Giac.

    The Utes will be back, and Boylen will get them there. I am pretty sure he would admit to many mistakes, but the guys is 1 year removed MWC championship/tourney championship. It's not like he doesn't know how to coach.

    I'm under a new screen name, but as always I'm a Boylen Believer and proud of it.

  • Y4LYFE
    April 14, 2010 12:58 p.m.

    re:utahcountyute

    And 5 player loss seasons in basketball are not in our future or our past. Can't say the same for you though.LOL (BTW-those are players that are leaving a terrible utah program, not due to graduation)LOL

    BYU has dominated Yew, and there is no evidence of that changing in the future. Deal with it in utah county.

    Boom

  • John Wicks
    April 14, 2010 12:52 p.m.

    Tommy C. should be called tomorrow. Boylen should be fired as the program is in the toilet.

  • utahcountyute
    April 14, 2010 12:38 p.m.


    I was at the opening meeting for the section F group at the beginning of the year. Coach Boylen opened things up to any questions we had about the program. I asked him who was going to take over the point with Kepkay and other ball handlers gone. He said that they did not really run a system with a point, that it was done by committee. He mentioned Drca and Brown. I am thinking Coach has changed his tune now.

    Let me just say this now. WE NEED A BALL HANDLER AND DISTRIBUTOR THAT CAN SCORE!!! I love Tavita and his defense, but he is the black hole on offense.

    I hope things can improve quickly but it does not look promising.

    Oh and to the ybu fans that think the utes had such a bad season, 1 win seasons in basketball are not in our future or our past. Can't say the same for you though. LOL

  • blauch
    April 14, 2010 12:04 p.m.

    "The Utes return three players who started a combined 61 games in center David Foster, forward Shawn Glover and guard Jace Tavita. Also returning is Jay Watkins, who averaged nearly 10 points off the bench and will likely start next year, along with center-forward Jason Washburn."

    Foster and Washburn - both great defensive players, but they would have to make huge leaps offensively to become decent.

    Tavita - shoot .29 FG%, .31 FT% and .18 3pt% - Awful. Nothing good can be said about him.

    Glover - Never did anything enough to impress me. Kind of like Abouo - a good role player, but not someone you can build a team around.

    I actually like Waktin, but he is a senior - Teams are just going to zone in on him.

    Even if the recruits are very good (I heard good things about Lee). Utah will struggle to win 1/2 of their games in the MWC. 8 and 8 would be amazing, and I wouldn't be shocked with 4 and 12.

    Hopefully they are better - we will see

  • SportsFan
    April 14, 2010 12:04 p.m.

    re: bindependent

    Down year?

    Try a down 5 years!

    And soon to be 6.

    The ewes are so pathetic in basketball that the Cougars don't even count destroying the ewes in the Huntsman this year as a big win.

  • bindependent
    April 14, 2010 11:49 a.m.

    Re: sportsfan, you are obviously a Y-ner. Quit being so obnoxious. Everyone one knows that the Utes B Ball had down year. and the Y blue FINALLY won a post season game. Why don't you gloat on the Ybu articles. The cewgs only true success this year was to beat a very bad Utah team. Wow, what a great accomplishment.

  • Come-on-you-Yanks
    April 14, 2010 9:50 a.m.

    How does Boylen sugar coat losing recruits to Wichita State? How does he plan on getting quality players when so many are leaving? Everyone knows you probably shouldn't go into a building when everyone else is running out.

  • Bugoff
    April 14, 2010 9:29 a.m.

    BYU needs to recruit a couple of bigs and they will contend. Utah is in trouble.

    I am not sure how much of that is Boylen's fault. If you don't have the players it does not matter if the jersey is red or blue the wins are not going to happen. Ditto for football.

  • yankee doodle
    April 14, 2010 9:28 a.m.

    Duh, what else is Boylen gonna say? that the program is in the toilet and they won't win for another three years.

  • Fiddler
    April 14, 2010 9:11 a.m.

    Chris, could you please keep it down about the refs helping us??? I don't want our secret to get out!!! Its been nice as a Cougar fan to watch guys with zero talent like Jimmer, Cummard, Keena Young and Travis Hansen do so well because of help from the refs.

    I'll make you a deal, don't mention our reffing help and I wont mention Utah's during their run to the championship game 12 years ago or their reffing help to get them to 2 BCS games. Deal?

  • Fiddler
    April 14, 2010 8:58 a.m.

    Re: THEeyepatch - One problem with your post, you're talking like BYU has peaked. Next year's team will be better than this year's. Much thanks to Utah though, their joke of a program allows BYU to get any and all good recruits in the state of Utah.

    You're probably right, BYU at one point will probably not do as well but what is the point of that? So not only do Utah fans live in the past, they now also live in the future? I guess anything to take you guys away from your miserable present. Well, as a Cougar fan, I feel it is my job to make sure you guys continue to relive moments like this last season, the season before and look to speak about all things to do with this upcoming season as well. Your coach belongs in a zoo yet he is the head coach of your basketball program. Sometimes I just lay in bed at night laughing about some of the things I've seen from your program in the last few years.

    Lastly, Just like BYU hasn't peaked, Utah hasn't hit rock bottom yet, just wait!!!

  • Chris B
    April 14, 2010 8:47 a.m.

    The Utes are going to turn it around next year. We got rid of those pulling down the program. We're going to push new mexico and unlv for the crown next year.

    BYU got help from refs in several games this year - look for them to struggle next year. They won't be ranked after week 2 of conference play.

    GO UTES


  • astroboy
    April 14, 2010 8:32 a.m.

    I think Boylen has done a decent job so far in his time here. In my opinion, he's been hit with a perfect storm of bad circumstances this year.

    He lost nearly all major contributors from an above average team last year, and the one major holdover had an attitude problem (C.Brown).

    Like Majerus, he lost 2 more due to playing time, which as the article states isn't that uncommon.

    What really has pushed people over the edge is Henderson leaving, being a bright spot for the future, leaving so quickly, and pushing the total number to 4.

    Any of these incidents individually wouldn't be a big deal, but all together and I think it looks worse that it actually is.

    My opinion: this program needed to clean house, but Boylen still must prove himself. Circumstances aside, he still had a team that struggled to improve offensively this year. Unfortunately, he's learning on the job, but so did coach Whit and look where football is now. I remember being frustrated with Whittingham early on too, so lets keep the faith that Boylen can turn it around.

    Go Utes!

  • SportsFan
    April 14, 2010 8:18 a.m.

    Oxymorons:

    Worst 30-win team
    Best team with a losing record
    Runnin' Utes

    In the world of crimson-colored glasses, the glass is always half empty for the Cougars.

    Reality:

    BYU is getting better every year, 78% the last 5 years, with a team that is already being projected as a Top 10 team next season.

    Utah is getting worse every year, 52% the last 5 years, with a team that will be lucky to finish better than 6th in the MWC next season.

    In reality, the Cougars are leaving the Runnin' Utes in their dust.

  • U-ltimate Fan
    April 14, 2010 7:40 a.m.

    Re: THEeyepatch | 3:18 a.m
    I agree. The U is down, but we'll get back on track. I like giving Boylen one more year to prove something. Our program is heading south, but I'm not sure about him yet.
    The Y is the worst 30 win team. Other mid-majors showed better team play. The pride of the Y is SO IRONIC!

  • Utefan
    April 14, 2010 4:27 a.m.

    I see the Y-ners are out providing lots of cat scat. I am always amused when after finally winning one NCAA post season game the folks from Happy Valley think they are a basketball power. Coach Rose is a fine man and coach, but Y-ner basketball fans now seem to have a sense of entitlement that they have not earned.

  • SportsFan
    April 14, 2010 3:53 a.m.

    It's funny how a program that's had 3 losing seasons in the last 5 years still feels they're superior to a program that's beaten them 7 out of their last 8 games.

  • THEeyepatch
    April 14, 2010 3:18 a.m.

    Well, something for Cougar fan to smile about. With comments like, "Boylen, stay forever even Henderson couldn't handle you!", what else do I need to say.

    I know, when teams such as UNC and UCONN are playing in the NIT, this was an obvious "mid-major" season. Butler was 28-4 and played like winners. BYU fans felt that beating "NOBODY" gave them some kind of upper hand until that is... they ran into K-State, who shut down Jimmer and made the rest of the team beat them. We all know that didn't happen and became what I called the "Worst 30 win team in 10 years", it's really insulting that a program that has never sniffed a winner feels that they are better by beating bad teams all year, had a chance to make a statement, and failed miserably. Enjoy your current success BYU fan, because success and failure are a neverending mathematical system. You will have your time on the bottom as well... it's only a matter of time.

  • rvalens2
    April 14, 2010 2:16 a.m.

    Please don't waste another year waiting for Boylen to turn the Utes into winners.

    Under him the program has almost died. It's time to hire a new coach with new ideas to turn the team and program around.

  • THEeyepatch
    April 14, 2010 12:26 a.m.

    "Jim Boylen says U. will improve despite defections."

    Time will tell, but from my personal opinion... things will get worse before they get better.

  • Y4LYFE
    April 14, 2010 12:22 a.m.

    Ha, that's funny. Lose 5+ of last year's team and you'll improve?

    I think he means improve his choice of words from: ball didn't go in the hoop to: hoop didn't accept the ball. And he means improve his choice of behavior from: stealing the ball out of players on hands in live play to: stealing the ball out of his own teams hands in live play.

    Boylen, stay forever even Henderson couldn't handle you!

  • Utah Alum
    April 13, 2010 11:10 p.m.

    Mike is sugar-coating the defections. Players left under Majerus because they weren't getting playing time. The same cannot be said for Brown and Henderson.

    Having your two leading scorers leave the team reveals deeper problems within the program.