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Utah citizens initiative petition drives pushing toward deadline

Proponents of boundaries, ethics push for signatures

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  • Corruption
    April 9, 2010 1:24 p.m.

    It seems to make no difference if it is Republican's or Democrats in power. When one group is in power they do everything they can to stay in power and the minority group talks and talks about the voice of the people should be heard. Republican's at the national level complain about how the govenrment (Democrats) do not listen to the people on spending, healthcare, stimulus, etc. But at the state level in Utah the Republicans don't want to give the people a chance to vote on initiatives. Why are people angry in this country? BECAUSE REPUBLICANS AND DEMOCRATS DO NOT CARE ABOUT THE VOICE OF THE PEOPLE! They just want to play games to stay in power and get the perks related.

  • Reason
    April 9, 2010 1:09 p.m.

    Both petitions are bad ideas, and deserve to die quickly. If you don’t understand and fully agree with them, it’s foolish to sign just to “get them on the November ballot.” Two columns on today’s editorial page encouraged us to sign the petitions even though they (the petitions) have problems and even if we don’t understand them. But such irresponsible thinking is what gave us Obamacare. Don’t sign them.

  • Nadine Goaslind
    April 9, 2010 12:39 p.m.

    Bernick,
    I've written response to Terry Wood's appeal to "sign" and I'll put myself out there again, to you..
    HAVE YOU READ all 21 pages???
    "ETHICS"...a powerful word these days..., sounds good...:wolf in sheeps clothing...
    I say to you as I voiced to Terry: If government by an unelected, undisolvable Committee of 5 is you idea of ethical democracy..Sign Away...your right to choose for yourself.
    Sadly, we Americans became complacent during our years of comfort. We are no longer personally invested in learning who our candidates are before we vote for them.
    WARNING: The "ETHICS INITIATIVE" effectively takes away the power of Utah's citizens to choose for themselves as it establishes a "Committee of 5" (unelected and undisolvable) vested with extremely broad powers to discern for the people the viability of a candidate or, in addition, to harass citizens already elected.
    21 pages are too, too many.
    Most citizens have not and will not take time to review the entire initiative...nor realize the deep legal powers invested in the hands of the authors of this "ETHICS" power grab.
    Democracy is not 'government by committee'.
    The "E" word...abused.

  • Read the petition
    April 9, 2010 12:11 p.m.

    It's too bad that some commenters don't actually read or understand the petition. This process has a higher bar for bringing an ethics complaint -- three people must bring a charge, not the current one. it's hardly easier to harass someone. Also, these won't gum up the court system because they never go to court. The independent ethics commission makes a recommendation to the legislature and under the Constitution only the legislature can impose a penalty.

    The UEG petition contents are standard for most every state and corporation.

  • Frank
    April 9, 2010 11:40 a.m.

    Let the voters choose their legislature and not the legislature choose their voters. The Washington Post said that Utah is the most Gerrymandered state in the Union. Let’s take our state back.

  • Jeremy Nicoll
    April 9, 2010 11:20 a.m.

    While I am for ethical reforms, the so-called "ethics reform bill" is a knee-jerk reaction to some bad things going on. It's not well thought out, it can be used to harass anyone (guilty or not), it will further gum up our court systems with frivolous charges. It has all the hallmarks of people who are out for blood, not those who want to make things "fair".

  • Johny Fairplay
    April 9, 2010 10:29 a.m.

    ^^^ Thanks for posting info where to sign.

  • Anonymous
    April 9, 2010 10:14 a.m.

    I don't believe this initiative is even constitutional. Let's just let the legislature deal with this.

  • Anonymous
    April 9, 2010 9:47 a.m.

    DO NOT SIGN THE INITIATIVE PETITION

  • Anonymous
    April 9, 2010 9:31 a.m.

    16 branch libraries for 29 counties?

  • RepubliCAN in Sandy
    April 9, 2010 9:18 a.m.

    I am for trying to bring more ethics, and more balanced representation in Utah government Utah. The far right dominates. With the super majority in place, it is way to easy to do things behind closed doors with a wink and a handshake. Lobbyists devote their full energy and resources to swaying representatives, often to the disadvantage of the public at large. We now even see cities like Sandy spending big $$$$ on lobbyists (often times former legislators) to gain any advantage possible. The individuals influence in government has been pushed down to be on the lowest, least influential position. Public libraries will be staffed this Saturday for those wanting to sign the petitions. Lets work together to get both these initiatives passed the number of signatures needed.

  • In Support
    April 9, 2010 8:55 a.m.

    Signing online may still be good because it's likely the AG will lose that lawsuit. Nevertheless, signing in person is even better.

    You can sign a petition this Saturday from 12-3pm at the following libraries:
    Whitmore Library, 2197 E. Ft. Union Boulevard
    Taylorsville Library, 4870 S. 2700 W.
    West Jordan Library, 1970 W. 7800 S.
    Orem Library, 58 N. State St.
    Pleasant Grove Library, 80 E. Center St.
    Southwest Branch Library, 1950 W. 4800 S., Roy
    North Branch Library, 562 S. 1000 E., Clearfield
    Richfield Library, 83 E. Center St.
    Pleasant Valley Library, South Ogden
    Brigham City Library, 26 W. Forest St.
    Logan City Library, 255 N. Main St.
    Park City Library, 1255 Park Ave
    Uintah County Library, 155 E. Main, Vernal
    Price Library, 159 E. Main
    St. George Library, 88 W. 100 S.
    Cedar City Library, 303 N. 100 E

  • Me
    April 9, 2010 8:54 a.m.

    I don't think Republican's have a monopoly on ethics violations. Corruption is deep on both sides of the fence. Those who are saying "Utah legislation is the most corrupt in the history of the USA" are seriously naive. Look at the current administration stifling the majority of American's voices as they trample individual rights and have no transparency whatsoever. Let's vote all the "lifetime" politicians out and put some "real representation" of the PEOPLE in office.

  • Anonymous
    April 9, 2010 8:26 a.m.

    I am not surprised why would the republicans want ethics reform when they have total control and no ethics. It would put a damper on how they do things. Imagine what would happen if they had to have open meetings and let the public know what they are doing. I also gathered signitures and the only 2 people that refuse to sign were local republican politicians. Go Figure!

  • Will Anything Be Different?
    April 9, 2010 8:25 a.m.

    I signed the petition to have the initiative put on the ballot. However, I don't know if passage will ensure change.

    Politicians promise things voters want to hear, but there is no guarantee that promises will be kept after the candidate is "enshrined" in office. (e.g. "Three Terms are enough for any person" and "I will only run for two terms.)

    I hope that we will eventually introduce term limits in government. We as a voting public are not very smart, being too easily influenced and our memories are not very long. If terms were limited, at least we wouldn't have to live with our mistakes for a lengthy period.

    The greatest problem with government today is that it is too complex and no one really understands it.

  • Anonymous
    April 9, 2010 8:14 a.m.

    I've gotta ask: why have I NEVER seen a list of places you can go to sign the petition (I'm going to go search for one now). There has been no advertising whatsoever. We all know the AG has ruled there is no provision for electronic signatures under Utah law, so signing online is useless. Do we really just have to be lucky to have a petitioner run into us and as for a signature? And people wonder why the requirement may not be met?

  • John Kateel
    April 9, 2010 7:56 a.m.

    I thank all the Tea Party rally attendees who gathered at the State Capitol a few weeks ago to rally for change in government and the desire to "take America back". I was there gathering signatures for these initiatives. Many of these good Utah voters enthusiastically signed the Fairboundaries petition because they know that career politicians entrench their power by re-writing Congressional districts to gerrymander in people they like and gerrymander out people that they don't like. The Tea Party knows that corrupt government hurts us all. That is why they also signed the Ethics initiative as well. We need to take America back from career politicians who only have their own power at heart. The Tea Party is not Republican leaning, it is independent leaning and these independent Americans want their democracy back.

  • IM50
    April 9, 2010 7:18 a.m.

    If we, as Utahns, do not make the simple effort to sign a petition TO PUT SOMETHING ON THE BALLOT (no petition makes a law--it only gives us a chance to make something law and gives the voters a chance to scrutinize it beforehand), then we are pathetic sheep and we deserve to have lobbyists and political cronies making our laws. Wake up Utah! Get off your butts and do something to take back government into the hands of everyday people! Quit being one of the last states to react to the arrogance and cronyism in statehouses.

  • Anonymous
    April 9, 2010 6:43 a.m.

    Frredom of choice has many problem, it is working better than the Democratic blunders.

  • Fred
    April 9, 2010 5:54 a.m.

    The fair boundaries initiative is the important one, and the one the republicans fear the most. If the republicans cannot draw the boundaries to disenfranchise voters of the opposing party, they may loose their stranglehold on the legislature. Without a super majority, ethics will automatically improve.

    I think what the republican party is doing is sad, and I think all people of Utah, particularly those who align with the republican party should consider carefully whether or not you want people as your elected officials who fight against the peoples right to petition their government.

  • Michael Peterson
    April 9, 2010 5:50 a.m.

    I am new to Utah. Married , working, and we are buying a house. I am soo surprised to find that the Republican party in Utah is morally bankrupt and as a voter I am ashamed. The "in your face".double standard, that gos on here is absolutely increditable!. I really believe that a follow the leader syndrome exist. Please remember that all it takes for Evil to control is for good people to do notyhing and that our leaders are fighting honesty and ethics reform. I urge everyone to go out and sign these petitions to REALLY make a difference in government come next elections!

  • Horrible for corrupt legislators
    April 8, 2010 4:21 p.m.

    Yes the ethics initiative will be horrible for those who are in politics for the wrong reasons. Goodbye expensive Jazz tickets, sporting events, golfing, bribery, etc. Welcome home legislators!

  • Jared Jardine
    April 8, 2010 2:53 p.m.

    Opposing the Ethics initiative does not mean I oppose ethical government. The ethics initiative would be HORRIBLE for Utah. There was an ethics bill that passed and was signed into law this year. It is not like there has been no movement on this issue.

  • Anonymous
    April 8, 2010 2:45 p.m.

    The Utah legislature is the most corrupt in the history of the USA.

  • Gerrymandering & loopholes
    April 8, 2010 1:29 p.m.

    do not make anyone smart. Let's hold government accountable for a change!

  • Disgraced Utah Republican
    April 8, 2010 1:23 p.m.

    The Republican party in Utah has no heart and as a Republican voter I am ashamed that our local leaders are fighting honesty and ethics reform so desperately needed in government. I urge everyone to go out and sign these petitions to REALLY make a difference in government come next elections!

  • Interesting
    April 8, 2010 1:11 p.m.

    It is interesting that no matter how many times this story is written with subsequent promotion of locations to sign, how very few people have actually signed it.

    Could it be that the people of Utah are smarter than some might assume?