Proponents of boundaries, ethics push for signatures
It seems to make no difference if it is Republican's or Democrats in power.
When one group is in power they do everything they can to stay in power and the
minority group talks and talks about the voice of the people should be heard.
Republican's at the national level complain about how the govenrment (Democrats)
do not listen to the people on spending, healthcare, stimulus, etc. But at the
state level in Utah the Republicans don't want to give the people a chance to
vote on initiatives. Why are people angry in this country? BECAUSE REPUBLICANS
AND DEMOCRATS DO NOT CARE ABOUT THE VOICE OF THE PEOPLE! They just want to play
games to stay in power and get the perks related.
Both petitions are bad ideas, and deserve to die quickly. If you don’t
understand and fully agree with them, it’s foolish to sign just to
“get them on the November ballot.” Two columns on today’s
editorial page encouraged us to sign the petitions even though they (the
petitions) have problems and even if we don’t understand them. But such
irresponsible thinking is what gave us Obamacare. Don’t sign them.
Bernick,I've written response to Terry Wood's appeal to "sign" and I'll
put myself out there again, to you..HAVE YOU READ all 21 pages???"ETHICS"...a powerful word these days..., sounds good...:wolf in sheeps
clothing...I say to you as I voiced to Terry: If government by an
unelected, undisolvable Committee of 5 is you idea of ethical democracy..Sign
Away...your right to choose for yourself.Sadly, we Americans became
complacent during our years of comfort. We are no longer personally invested in
learning who our candidates are before we vote for them.WARNING: The
"ETHICS INITIATIVE" effectively takes away the power of Utah's citizens to
choose for themselves as it establishes a "Committee of 5" (unelected and
undisolvable) vested with extremely broad powers to discern for the people the
viability of a candidate or, in addition, to harass citizens already elected.21 pages are too, too many.Most citizens have not and will not take time
to review the entire initiative...nor realize the deep legal powers invested in
the hands of the authors of this "ETHICS" power grab.Democracy is not
'government by committee'.The "E" word...abused.
It's too bad that some commenters don't actually read or understand the
petition. This process has a higher bar for bringing an ethics complaint --
three people must bring a charge, not the current one. it's hardly easier to
harass someone. Also, these won't gum up the court system because they never go
to court. The independent ethics commission makes a recommendation to the
legislature and under the Constitution only the legislature can impose a
penalty.The UEG petition contents are standard for most every state
Let the voters choose their legislature and not the legislature choose their
voters. The Washington Post said that Utah is the most Gerrymandered state in
the Union. Let’s take our state back.
While I am for ethical reforms, the so-called "ethics reform bill" is a
knee-jerk reaction to some bad things going on. It's not well thought out, it
can be used to harass anyone (guilty or not), it will further gum up our court
systems with frivolous charges. It has all the hallmarks of people who are out
for blood, not those who want to make things "fair".
^^^ Thanks for posting info where to sign.
I don't believe this initiative is even constitutional. Let's just let the
legislature deal with this.
DO NOT SIGN THE INITIATIVE PETITION
16 branch libraries for 29 counties?
I am for trying to bring more ethics, and more balanced representation in Utah
government Utah. The far right dominates. With the super majority in place, it
is way to easy to do things behind closed doors with a wink and a handshake.
Lobbyists devote their full energy and resources to swaying representatives,
often to the disadvantage of the public at large. We now even see cities like
Sandy spending big $$$$ on lobbyists (often times former legislators) to gain
any advantage possible. The individuals influence in government has been pushed
down to be on the lowest, least influential position. Public libraries will be
staffed this Saturday for those wanting to sign the petitions. Lets work
together to get both these initiatives passed the number of signatures needed.
Signing online may still be good because it's likely the AG will lose that
lawsuit. Nevertheless, signing in person is even better. You can
sign a petition this Saturday from 12-3pm at the following libraries:Whitmore Library, 2197 E. Ft. Union BoulevardTaylorsville Library, 4870
S. 2700 W.West Jordan Library, 1970 W. 7800 S.Orem Library, 58 N.
State St.Pleasant Grove Library, 80 E. Center St.Southwest Branch
Library, 1950 W. 4800 S., RoyNorth Branch Library, 562 S. 1000 E.,
ClearfieldRichfield Library, 83 E. Center St.Pleasant Valley
Library, South OgdenBrigham City Library, 26 W. Forest St.Logan City
Library, 255 N. Main St.Park City Library, 1255 Park AveUintah
County Library, 155 E. Main, VernalPrice Library, 159 E. MainSt.
George Library, 88 W. 100 S.Cedar City Library, 303 N. 100 E
I don't think Republican's have a monopoly on ethics violations. Corruption is
deep on both sides of the fence. Those who are saying "Utah legislation is the
most corrupt in the history of the USA" are seriously naive. Look at the current
administration stifling the majority of American's voices as they trample
individual rights and have no transparency whatsoever. Let's vote all the
"lifetime" politicians out and put some "real representation" of the PEOPLE in
I am not surprised why would the republicans want ethics reform when they have
total control and no ethics. It would put a damper on how they do things.
Imagine what would happen if they had to have open meetings and let the public
know what they are doing. I also gathered signitures and the only 2 people that
refuse to sign were local republican politicians. Go Figure!
I signed the petition to have the initiative put on the ballot. However, I don't
know if passage will ensure change.Politicians promise things voters
want to hear, but there is no guarantee that promises will be kept after the
candidate is "enshrined" in office. (e.g. "Three Terms are enough for any
person" and "I will only run for two terms.)I hope that we will
eventually introduce term limits in government. We as a voting public are not
very smart, being too easily influenced and our memories are not very long. If
terms were limited, at least we wouldn't have to live with our mistakes for a
lengthy period.The greatest problem with government today is that it
is too complex and no one really understands it.
I've gotta ask: why have I NEVER seen a list of places you can go to sign the
petition (I'm going to go search for one now). There has been no advertising
whatsoever. We all know the AG has ruled there is no provision for electronic
signatures under Utah law, so signing online is useless. Do we really just have
to be lucky to have a petitioner run into us and as for a signature? And people
wonder why the requirement may not be met?
I thank all the Tea Party rally attendees who gathered at the State Capitol a
few weeks ago to rally for change in government and the desire to "take America
back". I was there gathering signatures for these initiatives. Many of these
good Utah voters enthusiastically signed the Fairboundaries petition because
they know that career politicians entrench their power by re-writing
Congressional districts to gerrymander in people they like and gerrymander out
people that they don't like. The Tea Party knows that corrupt government hurts
us all. That is why they also signed the Ethics initiative as well. We need to
take America back from career politicians who only have their own power at
heart. The Tea Party is not Republican leaning, it is independent leaning and
these independent Americans want their democracy back.
If we, as Utahns, do not make the simple effort to sign a petition TO PUT
SOMETHING ON THE BALLOT (no petition makes a law--it only gives us a chance to
make something law and gives the voters a chance to scrutinize it beforehand),
then we are pathetic sheep and we deserve to have lobbyists and political
cronies making our laws. Wake up Utah! Get off your butts and do something to
take back government into the hands of everyday people! Quit being one of the
last states to react to the arrogance and cronyism in statehouses.
Frredom of choice has many problem, it is working better than the Democratic
The fair boundaries initiative is the important one, and the one the republicans
fear the most. If the republicans cannot draw the boundaries to disenfranchise
voters of the opposing party, they may loose their stranglehold on the
legislature. Without a super majority, ethics will automatically improve. I think what the republican party is doing is sad, and I think all
people of Utah, particularly those who align with the republican party should
consider carefully whether or not you want people as your elected officials who
fight against the peoples right to petition their government.
I am new to Utah. Married , working, and we are buying a house. I am soo
surprised to find that the Republican party in Utah is morally bankrupt and as a
voter I am ashamed. The "in your face".double standard, that gos on here is
absolutely increditable!. I really believe that a follow the leader syndrome
exist. Please remember that all it takes for Evil to control is for good people
to do notyhing and that our leaders are fighting honesty and ethics reform. I
urge everyone to go out and sign these petitions to REALLY make a difference in
government come next elections!
Yes the ethics initiative will be horrible for those who are in politics for the
wrong reasons. Goodbye expensive Jazz tickets, sporting events, golfing,
bribery, etc. Welcome home legislators!
Opposing the Ethics initiative does not mean I oppose ethical government. The
ethics initiative would be HORRIBLE for Utah. There was an ethics bill that
passed and was signed into law this year. It is not like there has been no
movement on this issue.
The Utah legislature is the most corrupt in the history of the USA.
do not make anyone smart. Let's hold government accountable for a change!
The Republican party in Utah has no heart and as a Republican voter I am ashamed
that our local leaders are fighting honesty and ethics reform so desperately
needed in government. I urge everyone to go out and sign these petitions to
REALLY make a difference in government come next elections!
It is interesting that no matter how many times this story is written with
subsequent promotion of locations to sign, how very few people have actually
signed it.Could it be that the people of Utah are smarter than some