Todd, That was your best post yet. Very sensible and I completely agreed with.
Okur isn't a true center, though he's been playing like a beast as of late. I
think that is why we shouldn't draft aldridge, he would be Okur without the
range. I think we do need a true center, but do you think if we really gave up
mattews and korver and cj that we'd be as good? I don't think we would, we
need those guys just as much as we need Memo, they fill roles and without them
we'd have nothing at the 2 spot instead of a decent defender and 3pt shooter.The guy that just talked on San Antonio just put that small market
arguement to shame. The Jazz have always been good and the one time in 20 years
when they haven't had enough to put together a competitive team we got Dwill.
San Antonio had two dominating big men with the first and their
wasn't a ton of challenge against a detroit team that i think is a lot like the
jazz with just a few really good players.
no San Antonio won the championship because the literally tanked the season with
David Robinson injured on the bench and they were able to draft Tim Duncan.They did not win it because they were a small market.I
remember the controversy of them being accused of literally throwing games to
get the draft pick prized that multiple teams were scrambling to get their hands
on.Shaq, Kobe, Lebron, Duncan et al. These are franchise changing
players that come once in a long time. All but one of them have won at least
one or more championships.That is why San Antonio won so you are
comparing a situation the Jazz have NEVER been in and getting a "duncan type
player" vs. winning and virtually NEVER even sniffing the lottery.That is our situation so lets deal in realities shall we.I think
your Haywood is a big maybe--Camby blocks shots but makes bad decisions
frequently not to mention a horrific contract/price for him.Haywood
could likely have helped but I really doubt he was good enough to make the
difference to get past the Lakers.
I respect the take, it is worded logically. The result because i get so much
criticism, it makes me continue and dish it back. The point is no doubt we are
limited in dealing marketable players. I know Okur has been playing well, but
we all know he is not a true center. If CJ or Matthews could give 15 a game at
the #2 there would have been enough scoring. I never sense O Connor tries to do
anything to trade. I never said gut the roster. What i asked for is simple: a
defensive oriented center that will be a pest, can block a shot or 2 get 10-12
boards a game and score 10 points. Haywood was that man. Camby has helped
Portland a lot.There are some teams despite CJ ups and downs I think
would have taken him. The Wizards gutting so many and trying to slice payroll,
how do you know him, Korver, Matthews, they may not have wanted 1 or 2 for a
trade? I say that about other teams.Yeah, hope eternal we have to
win the division.San Antonio won 3 titles as a small market
Continued: Do you not think that the scouts for teams see the inconsistancy in
players like miles. Why would they trade miles and Korver for Camby? they
wouldn't, other teams had big major pieces that other teams coveted. We need all
of these pieces except for the ones who don't do anything or are like miles and
are somewhat inconsistant. As we can see the blazers got healthy and
they were good again, but i don't think camby was the catalyst, i think brandon
roy is finally healthy.Dallas has lost 4 out of their last 7 so they
are not as you claim this Juggernaut. Denver is fading fast and we
are currently tied with them and they still don't have their role playing Martin
back, we're missing AK which i think plays the same role as Kenyon, 3rd or 4th
best on that team behind melo billups and interchange him and Nene.What Todd needs to realize is yes, we aren't the lakers, we also don't live in
a perfect world. get over it, we're trying and we're having a decent run without
these alleged "blockbuster" trades.
I love how todd keeps talking about a championship like none of the other teams
in this league aren't thinking the same thing. He thinks it's realistic to spend
a billion dollars like Jerry Jones and put together "dream teams" Get out of
fantasy land Todd, the lakers are the lakers because they can spend millions
upon millions to keep 2 of the best players in the game and 2 others that have
been the #1 player on their previous teams. These teams are in gigantic markets.
Todd will retaliate and say oh the people that complain and say small
market just cant dream and are sloanaholics. Not all of us Todd, we're just
realistic unlike you. We understand that over the last 25 years only 7 teams
have won the championship.7!!!!!!!!! You act like just because we're not
throwing money at players to come here in trades that we're not trying to
contend. People expect stuff in return in a trade. That's how it works, it's not
just give us this remarkable player and nothing in return.
I did but the editors killed it
Awesome post, Todd's response is grasping at straws. He doesn't have a good
answer for solid stats. This is and has been one of the best run
organizations in the league thanks to Sloan and Kevin O Connor. The
haters that want to tell the professionals how they should do their jobs have
nothing to stand on.
Some good posts today. Loved the one from "Oh the Lies". Good to see that
there are still a lot of fans out there that appriciate the Jazz how hard they,
including the front office, work to bring us the most competative team they can,
and yes even try to bring the Jazz a championship. I truly think
this represents most of the fans even if there are a few "haters" that are very
vocal and like to talk about how they've sent KOC and the Jazz multiple letters
on how they should trade fes and CJ for Dwight Howard or that our 12 and 13th
man 3rd and 4th bigs are the keys to going all the way. Someday I hope they
are, that day is not today.Good posts. Go Jazz!!
This was my one chance a year to see the Jazz in person, and Deron & Co. did not
disappoint. The first quarter was close, but I got there late and missed it. I
was there in time to see the Jazz pull away in the second, and there wasn't any
doubt after that.They played a solid game. My one concern was
rebounding. The Wizards got a lot of offensive rebounds. I guess you have to
when you miss so many shots, but it's something the Jazz need to improve.
Our 3 stars played very well in last nights game, but let's not forget the role
players that feed the ball to Memo and Boozer so they can score. CJ and Korver
are both getting rebounds, assists, and steals while they look inside! These
two could be the high scorers every night...instead they are playing team ball !
Way to go guys! Love to see your all around game shine!
Re ON THE LIES : Good post.
How soon we forget:Did the Lakers lose twice to Minnesota and at
home to Sacramento?The games count in NOvember as much as MarchDid they stink at a game vs The awful Clippers I went to? YepYou have to minimize these kind of losses...AGain (23-7) is good
vs under ,500However, it is being special...It is about
winning the World Championship Trophy.The problem is people are
worried about morals that winning rings.Jerry Jones got crucified
for firing Landry for Jimmy Johnson the organization gets a zillion draft picks
for Herschel WalkerWE need a Jerry Jones that is serious about
winning not being fun and competitiveI will say it again-a
loss in round 1 or 2 means a mediocre season..Memphis and Minnesota
lost several playoff series in a row,After 30 years, I want more
because this talent exceeds teams that reached the Finals years ago,,I want more than a scripted 55-27 record and early playoff loss.The only season I consider truly successful since 1998 was when we made the
Conference Finals 3 years ago.
Great showing by Utah's bigs last night. When Boozer and Memo score like that
there's no need for Millsap to do so. Paul was a beast defensively vs a Wiz
frontline that has been putting up a ton of points and big plays.The
Jazz did exactly what they were supposed to do in this one, with 3 guys! putting
up double-doubles, and coming out strong in the 3rd to put it away for good.Sloan and Co. have done an outstanding job developing the young guys at
the wing spots, namely Matthews and Miles, the latter who showcased his new
defensive skills yet again. Since the wings have been the soft spot, the hole in
the Jazz's game, thus far, this is an encouraging sign that they can indeed
compete at the highest level.
It is a natural tendency for most people in life and ESPECIALLY younger players
in the nba to do the minimum required.Look around the league. When
you historically analyze the biggest winners it is teams that have more veterans
and experience. Young teams with young players don't win NBA championships no
matter how talented the might be.Look how long it took Jordan
despite his talent level.Kobe could not win diddly in LA after Shaq
left until he got another veteran big man Gasol.Winning in the NBA
is a progression filled with some ups and downs.Compare last seasons
road record of the Jazz to this seasons. We are over .500. Now compare the
first half of this seasons road record to the 2nd half.Progression.Players have to learn how to win and that only comes
from playing more games and having veterans who really want to do something more
than put up stats...otherwise the team may never win anything that matters.There are tons of guys that can fill up stat sheets yet their teams are
perennial losers when they are on the floor.Michael ReddGilbert Arenasto name a few.
Your comments are laughable!!!If Sloan is the problem because the
team does what he says then I guess that makes him JUST AS RESPONSIBLE FOR
WINNING 65% of their games in the best conference in basketball?I
guess that means SLOAN is also responsible for the Jazz having the 2nd best
record IN THE ENTIRE LEAGUE only to Cleveland since Jan 9th?I guess
that also must mean that SLOAN is responsible for having fewer losses to sub
.500 teams than Denver and Dallas?I guess that also must mean that
Sloan is responsible for our team having THE 3RD HIGHEST point differential 5.9
PPG WHICH IS NOW BETTER THAN THE LAKERS?I guess that means SLOAN is
responsible too for doing all this with a starting lineup currently composed of
the NON-DRAFTED MATTHEWS, THREE 2ND ROUND PICKS, AND ONE LOTTERY PICK (D-WILL)?
There is not even a single team in the league with that level of talent on the
floor let alone the playoffs.COMPARISONS?The New Jersey
nets have 10 first round draft picks on their roster and MULTIPLE LOTTERY
PICKS!! Sloan has done more with less than any coach in NBA history.
On and on we go perpetuating LIES about the Jazz record against "bad teams".Todd and other coverts here showing how their bias and IGNORING THE
FACTS and STATISTICS that prove their bias!!Read for yourself.Tell me, does this show a team that has "choked very badly" and "blown
opportunities"?vs. below .500 teamsJazz 23-7Dallas
25-8Denver 24-9Orlando 28-7Boston 28-8Cleveland 32-3Lakers 28-2Clearly this shows that the bashers here have an agenda
or a reading disability...one of the two for sure but based on the comments...it
could be both.Clearly these posters who perpetuate the LIES and
FALLACIES about the Jazz record against bad teams and how bad our coach is for
letting our team lose to these bad teams have an ulterior motive...it certainly
is not the truth.The statistics show that the Jazz are ACTUALLY LESS
LOSSES THAN SEVERAL OTHER TOP TIER PLAYOFF TEAMS!!So now when you
read these guys comments you know that 1. They don't know what they
are talking aboutand2. They tell LIES to support their
ANIT-SLOAN BIAS.No credibility. None.
Tim howells needs to go...he has done nothing to develop our young big guys like
fes & koof!
There is no problem with team leadership. DWill is a stud. Kirlinkos injury,
Miles inconsistancy, Prices inability are what makes it tough to be consistantly
Sloan is part of the problem but the team wins when they run the offense,
essentially doing what he tells them. Your logic is faulty. Every year there
are the “if only” losses, every playoff team has them. You only
think the Jazz have more than most because you only closely follow the Jazz.
Moreover, how do you compare your stat between teams with different records,
situations, etc? Phoenix has had some terrible stretches; Denver has probably
dropped more than the Jazz in your useless non comparative category. Face it, the Jazz are one of the best run organizations in the league. Become
familiar with any other organization in the league and you will realize that we
have something special here, and Sloan is very much apart of that.
The haters didn't just panic about last night, they come out in droves over
every loss and believe that they are better equipped to make personel decisions
based on casual observations. This doesn't mean we can't be
critical but it does place desnews msg board criticisms in its proper
perspective, wannabes thinking they know more about basketball than the guys who
succesfully teach it, live it, and coach it for a living. I also
wish Fes would get more playing time but what is that based on? Me watching
games from home? I've never had to develope a player, and I don't pretend to
know the first or best move about it. I do trust this organization
to make the right decisions and will be critical about the wrong choices that
are only clear in hindsight, as only a fan can be.The attitude of
this team seems a lot different from last seasons meltdown, I think it will be a
fun playoff run this year.
When AK doesn't play, we win. Stop playing guys before they heal.
often but not always give the Jazz trouble. I am not sure what makes the
difference. @IND it was very clear from the start that they were not
running the offense. They would make a pass or two and then take a jump shot. I
am not sure if they were open inside? Or if the ball was not getting to them at
the right time. If they weren't open is that the fault of the bigs, the
screeners or DWill? The outside shots resulted in 4 Pacers ready for
a rebound and a fast break. It looked like the Jazz of Nov and Dec. Sloan either does not control the team or he does not know how to counter
certain defensive situations. The Jazz will never contend if their
offense is disrupted.
in person, and I disagree with Houdini. There were a few moments when they were
out of sync (start of the third quarter especially, terrible effort on rebounds)
but for the majority of all 4 quarters they put in a good amount of effort and
were working hard.
is justified if it is a pattern that reoccurs for years. The Jazz have long
history of choking very badly when they should seize the opportunity and move up
the pecking order. This team has consistently blown opportunities to
establish themselves as a legitimate contender. If the game is on TV and maybe
at home then they will play. At least this year they have a better
road record. However, they have no poise. There is something wrong
with the team leadership or lack. The team personality is self defeating when it
comes to winning games to get a good seed. Every team has a few
surprise losses. DEN comes to mind. The Jazz have a lot more than average.
Given the Jazz track record they could easily lose @LAL, OKC, @HOU, @NO, @GS and
PHO. I do not expect them to lose all of them but it would not surprise me if
they lost 1/2 of them. Given the Jazz tendency to not run the
offense and not play defense unless they feel like it, no game is a safe win
until it is in the W column.Sloan is part of the problem.
Whats going on with Milsap? He hasn't played a solid game for a long, long time.
Also CJ is still up and down, with poor efforts too many nights. I just think we
are in a funk again, but hope it's not true. Jerry is squezzing the lemon again
and I'm afraid nothing will be left for the playoffs. How many times has that
happened before? That's Sloans history, to play his players into the ground
during the regular season and have nothing but exhausted and spent players for
"Lets go Nellie Lets go"
Maybe its best I had to do other things and take a night off, missed the game I
heard we beat the "generals and Red Klotz"Houdini, could have been
acting coach and guided the win and still use Fes and Kousie and more than just
garbago timeNow DOug, Blauche and the Sloan discipiles will be on
here saying how we all panicked over last night.It is still a huge
loss to 26-46 team you never get back. Now we need miracles such as Dallas
losing at Warriors would help to offset
he is a coaster!
Kinda hard to complain about a win,but does anyone else kind of sense we were
just going through the motions? We beat a very bad team,yes,but would that same
effort have beat a playoff team,maybe I just expect too much from this group
with all the talent they have