Ah...another taxpayer is born to inherit his spending spree debt...hope this
small baby does not get the bad news too soon so it can enjoy life for a short
The devil is in the details.
Why does it cost $938 Billion to provide discount health insurance to 30 million
people?A little pork hidden in there somewhere?
informed. Does anybody think that while people are taking out medical bankruptsy
that they say in their minds "well, this just has to be and it's my choice" And
also, there are many people that don't have to actually take out bankruptsy, but
they have to give up things they would like to have (in some cases NEED) in
order to pay their health care bills. This is not acceptable for the USA and we
now have a start at helping this. Maybe not everyone knows how bad it
is...but some of us do and we are letting everyone know!
30 million people don't have health care ...Of those, 20 million say
that is by choice - they could afford it but choose to spend the money on
something elseOf the remaining 10 million, about 3 million had
serious health problems and quit their jobs, so they could not get health
insurance through their new employer - although the very expensive COBRA program
(brought to you by the gov't) is an option.No offense, but all of
the hype about people dying without health insurance? All but 7 million people
in this country don't have health insurance by choice.Did that
really require an overhaul?
that can be hypocritcal! There are parts of the bill that Republicans were
originally for (when it was their idea) and then when the Democrats put it in it
all the sudden wasn't good anymore!
Sen. Hatch supported mandated healthcare in 1993. But now, in 2010,
it's unconstitutional. Why would you vote for someone who dosen't
"CNN is reporting that in 1993 Sen. Hatch supported a measure almost identical
to MittCare and ObamaCare."He did. It even had the "mandate"
as a part of it. When asked about it, he replied that he didn't think about
whether or not it was constitutional then. He has thought about it now and
thinks it is unconstitutional. What?
CNN is reporting that in 1993 Sen. Hatch supported a measure almost identical to
MittCare and ObamaCare.
I could easily see myself across the battlefield from liberals. Let's not mince words. People are already creating very real battlefields
against liberals today. Brick throwing, spiting, death threats, the battle
is happening today, right now. And guess what? The fact
that many against healthcare or any change are loosing. As they cannot
defend their reason against change so resort to violence to get people to side
with them. Not because they are 'right'. But because they will
hurt you if you don't agree. Classy.
it wasn't at all scientific...it was a bunch of angry people with health
insurance answering! But when things cool down some and when people start to
look calmly at the things accomplished they will see. The small business owner
will see the benefit on their taxes. The individual will start to really look at
the issues with the health insurance that they have and see it wasn't as good as
they thought...and the people without any (like me) will start to feel secure
when they get a plan.Your fear won't win...fear never does.
Try going back to the first post on this thread and substituting the word "law"
for "insurance." The legal industry is far more corrupt than the insurance
biz.Who else is there to help people sue McDonalds for dumping hot
coffee into their own laps or suing the city of New York for not stopping their
son from jumping in front of a subway. And these people actually win!Overhaul the legal system and everything else will work itself out!
"Yeah, you guys are more of fighters in the fields, but we're not...and also we
are winning and will continue to do so."I wouldn't call 70% against
your health bill a win. Sooner or later, if you continue to force your way upon
people, it will spill into the battlefield. You can only take away people's
rights, freedom and money for so long.
Look at the great minds and visionaries of America (Joseph Smith and Martin
Luthur King) and they all die young. Our country does not like anything new
and we never have. Few people in our country read and few have been to
college. Yes, that is changing but it will take time. The great thing about
our country is you can vote for anyone you want to. It will all work out; we
just need hope.
battle in the fields or continue to battle with our minds? I would say in this
day and age it will continue to be that (except for the threats that some
right-wingers give us and the brick throwers) Yeah, you guys are more of
fighters in the fields, but we're not...and also we are winning and will
continue to do so.
"Civil war will break out within 5 years.Is that a threat?"Not
so much a threat as a prediction. I could easily see myself across the
battlefield from liberals. And I know many others who feel the same.
When people say Democrats and Liberals are lazy bunms, they are not saying that
every individual is a lazy bum. We all know there are some liberals who work.
It's like saying that all Utah fans are classless. There are a lot of good fans
out there, but in general they have a bad reputation for a reason, and it's not
just one or two.Fact: Many liberals are, as described, rather lazy.
Not all. But probably most. I lived in Chicago for a couple of years. I can
honestly say that in general, liberals are lazy and would prefer to be spoon-fed
by the government.Now please don't say, "Well, I'm liberal and I have a
job, so your statement is false!". We believe you when you say you have a job
and truly can't afford health care. We are talking about liberals collectively,
not individually. Republicans don't say welfare shoudln't exist. They say that
if you aren't willing to work, you don't deserve help. Democrats say, "If you
don't have money, you deserve it", with few conditions. That's that in a
"If Republicans really cared about fixing the health care problem they would
have done it from 1994-2006 when they had total control of the house, senate and
whitehouse"Mike, Mike, Mike, Mike--you obviously did not qualify as
a member of MENSA or you like to rewrite history.Here is something
that you obviusly forgot to consider. William Jefferson Clinton, a
Democrat, was President from Jan 20 1993-Jan 20 2001. "Republicans
don't know how to fix anything without first lining thier own pockets and those
of their friends"This statement is a joke-and a poor one at that.
If you were even remotely honest and aware of what is going on, you would know
that Obama has been on the take from the likes of FANNY & FREDDY among a long
list of others. I hope that you are actually a troll, because most
self respecting libs would be insluted by the tripe that you have written. If
not, the collective public in the state where you attended school should demand
a refund because you were obviously a no show for a good portion of your K-12
"Republican't Party Hates Families"This statement is blatantly
ludicrous and has no validity or meaning in this discussion. "The
Republicant's want to see that every American Family fails through Bankruptcy
and America itself too"This statement is ludicrous, fallacious and
has no basis in reality or fact. Do you actually believe this? "Top 6 reasons for bankruptcy in order from a study completed at Harvard
University"These types of studies are always interesting and of
questionable validity and accurracy. Rarely if ever do the researchers do
anything but take the word of the study particpants for the reasons that a given
subject files for bankruptsy, and rarely are people truly honest about why they
actually file bankruptsy.Unless these studies includes an indepth
five year plus review of the subjects finances, their findings will always be
suspect. BTW did you read the actual study? or just a regurgitation?The Republican'ts did nothing because they want the country to fail (And
continue to get paid for causing it to fail...This statement is so
ludicrous, so blatantly false, and so lacking in intellecutaly honesty that it
warrants no comment other than this comment is the result of brainwashing.
I'm with you but I'm afaid we face an even greater threat than the liberals.
I've been contacted by Blork from the planet Nimrod and he says they are
planning on invading even before our government can assure everyone access to
health care. They have already been here for some time (built pyamids and
stuff) but now is their time.Wait....I think I hear the ghost of
George Washington speaking to me telling me that we've got to get underground
before that socialist communist community organizer destroys the planet. He's
one of THEM!!! Run for your lives!!Think that is silly? I've read
some good ones on these message boards in the last two or three days that sound
just as far fetched. I'll make a bet with you. I'll bet that the
good 'ol US of A is going to be just fine, even as we make sure the insurance
companies can no longer take advantage of us and the least of us have the care
they need. If the union falls apart because of this I'll buy you a Mt. Dew.
I don't "sit on my butt" while others pay my bills. I am a hard worker, but
can't afford health insurance. I am not offered it through my work and neither
is my spouse (small business). It sounds like you need a public
option then. Hmmm, who suggested that when they were initially trying to pass
this bill? Hmmmm...
I don't "sit on my butt" while others pay my bills. I am a hard worker, but
can't afford health insurance. I am not offered it through my work and neither
is my spouse (small business). This bill will help us despite short signed
people. I'm sure there are people that "sit on their butt"...but they do that
anyway regardless of the bill. And I don't judge those people. Many times there
is a valid reason such as their health or other situation. It's amazing that
people that would otherwise profess to be Christian are not at all when it comes
to this issue.
Succession Plan stop watching Glen Beck.
I agree the sides are becoming more and more polarized. But what I can see
revealing itself is an entire left-wing Socialist-Progressive "machine" that is
now feeling its oats and empowered. These are people dedicated to undoing
Capitalism and instituting Socialism, control, and want to move towards
one-world government with such tings as one world currency. Obama is on You
Tube talking about major income redistribution, and "fundamentally changing"
america; he surrounds himself with Saul Alinsky "Rules for Radicals" people. He
isn't even coy about it. It's blatant. So, yes-- the cultural wars, the
political wars -- are becoming more and more pointed. The media is largely on
the lefts' side. The North east, California are left-leaning progressive
centers. The heartland is conservative. Why don't we partitio the country;
socialists in the North east and everything on West coast from San Fransisco
north. Maybe North East can be subsumed into Canada, west coast too. Leave the
rest of America for the level-headed, hard working productive class, and leave
the progressive enclaves to rot under progressive cultural and economic
regression of the natural order of things, and presumably, with no military they
Why does the left wing suddenly not worry about the national debt now that
Obama is sending this nation plummeting into debt? Why didn't
the right wing care about debt at all? US healthcare bill? $938
billion. US wars with Iraq and Afgahnistan? $940 billion. Why
the outrage over something that will help Americans... but no outrage for
wars we still cannot justify?
I AM concerned about the costs. What I haven't yet heard on Fox News is a
discussion about the marginal costs associated with this legislation. It isn't
as if we aren't already paying for health care and the new $940 billion is
something new. We are currently paying between $800 billion to $1 trillion
dollars for the same time frame depending on whose estimates you use.The new legislation is expensive, no doubt. I have two things to say about
it. First, we already pay more than any industrialized country per capita for
health care for quality that isn't substantially different from the core EU
nations (anecdotes of dying grandmas aside; only fact). Second, it is a matter
of priorities. I for one think healthcare and education are the most important
areas of focus. If we have a healthy and educated population the economy will
take care of itself. If either of these things is missing we lose out.I'd prefer shrinking the military by half keeping only a defensive capability
that would bring us into line with the rest of the developed world. I'm willing to pay for my family's health.
What you see below here is the incredible trash that we have received currently
from President Obama and while it could cause our great nation to go into
another civil war It more likely will be gotten rid of through our Supreme
Court. God bless America.As of now (3/23/2010 @ 2245), the total "US
Unfunded Liabilities" figure is at $107.95 Trillion, or $349,453 for every man,
woman, and child in this country.Here's the baseline debt figure for every
man, woman, and child in this country: Date Amount
Change From Previous ======= ======= =================
3/23/2010 $349,453 $1,141 2/21/2010 $348,312
"Vote Democrat-- it's easier than working"Do you realize that since
the health care bill passed the DNC has received spontaneous contributions of
$2million? Without any fund raising effort on their part. Where do
you suppose the Dems who refuse to work for a living got their hands on 2million
Why does the left wing suddenly not worry about the national debt now that Obama
is sending this nation plummeting into debt? Oh. . I know why.Because they are hypocrites.Now to deal with the economy. What
indications are there that it is coming back? The 10% unemployment rate? And
if this health care bill will give health care to those without it, then what
motivation is there to get a job? The jobless already get "welfare" money from
the government. Now they get health care, but since they rely on welfare, they
don't pay taxes. They get all those benefits! On the other hand, those
employed are being denied their current health care and are now paying higher
taxes (especially after this bill comes into effect). The rich people are
getting taxed a ton, but it is the rich who provide the employees with a
paycheck and health care! Obama is punishing the working people and rewarding
the unemployed! No wonder the unemployment rate is so high, and it will get
higher! THIS IS NOT SUSTAINABLE!"Vote Democrat-- it's easier than
working". Sadly, this is soooooooo true. R.I.P America (thanks to Obama).
Civil war will break out within 5 years. Is that a threat?
the wingnuts will calm down eventually.This kind of extremism
happened when Carter got elected and when Clinton got elected. Granted, it's a
bit more vitriolic because we have a BLACK democrat in office, but it will calm
down in a while.When liberals get elected, the kooks come out...
Since when does the right wing worry about the national debt? Why didn't they
complain when Reagan, Bush and Bush the Dope sent this nation plummeting into
debt? Oh. . I know why. Because they are hypocrites.
Civil war will break out within 5 years. Not because of healthcare. Because of
the polarized nation with two extremes unwilling to make compromises. We have
nothing in common anymore.Just reading the hate in these comments
from both sides, I can see greater conflict that will lead to either another
civil war and/or succession by some of the states.Democrats, stop
gloating and learn how to reach out.Republicans, stop whining and be
willing to make a few compromises.Otherwise, it's over.
All I seem to hear from you guys is how this bill will help so many people, but
none of you are addressing the price tag. You seem to ignore everyone that
brings it up.How does an extra trillion not bother you considering
our massive debt and the terrible state of the economy? Also, how
will the government reward me for selecting jobs which pay less, but provide
better health care? It seems that those who chose higher-paying jobs without
health care are being rewarded at my expense.Obamacare supporters -
please answer these questions without deflecting.
What are your sources that the economy is "coming back fairly strong"? Where I
live, houses are not selling, businesses are closing their doors and people are
struggling to make ends meet. This does not signal to me that the economy has
improved. I hope for it to improve but hoping and ignoring reality does not
make it so.
Yes! Now I can force my grandchildren and others to pay for my healthcare while
I sit on my butt and be lazy, irreponsible and unaccontable for my bad choices.
Thank you Obama, you are the greatest! Now where is my free color TV to go along
with my free food, my free housing and my free healthcare?
Anonymous wants America to fail. Its part of the progressive plan; if we are to
fundamentally transform America we must break the system and start over with our
marxist ideas. Cloward and Piven, Saul Alinski, Reverend Wright and especially
Obama, their best student have waited and planned for a long time for the day
when they could break us and then start over. Well, the time has arrived, I
hope we don't have too much civil unrest between the moochers and the workers,
between the patriots and the commies.
Social Justice is just Socialism.
The radical needs to be impeached!!
It is the uninformed liberals like you spouting goofball opinions and bogus
generalizations about other people who are a real turnoff for independents who
are trying to figure out issues in a logical way. I have disagreements with the
Republicans, but I find that they are more rooted in reality than the extreme
liberals who will spout anything that makes it into their heads that they think
will make their case. Why not use reason and relevant facts to pursuade people
to follow your political stance. The mindless, emotional extremism and lies
about the other party has made me not want to be identified with either major
party, but make independent political decisions.
For all you Big Government fans, tell us how this is going to have a positive
job creation aspect in our times? I'm not sure what the ratio is, but I would
assume that for every government job that is created there are probably 2-5 jobs
lost in the private sector. Is this worth it? Wealth is not created in the
government, it is created by added value jobs in the private sector.Government Efficiency = Greatest oxymoron ever.Oh, by the way, who
much will "affordable healtcare"cost? If a person does not buy insurance
by mandate and gets fined $2500, will that fine go against a policy in order to
The economy is coming back fairly strong. This does not help the conservative
plan to retake power by being the most negative force since the confederate
Republican't Party Hates Families. The Republicant's want to see that every
American Family fails through Bankruptcy and America itself too.Top
6 reasons for bankruptcy in order from a study completed at Harvard
University.1. Medical Expenses2. Job Loss3.
Poor/Excess Use of Credit4. Divorce/Separation5.
Unexpected ExpensesThe Bottom LineThere are many reasons
why taxpayers are forced-or choose-to declare bankruptcy. But many times, common
sense, sound financial planning and preparation for the future can head off this
problem before it becomes inevitable.The Democrats understood this
and took measures to tackle the #1 problem of why America and Americans are
going Bankrupt.The Republican'ts did nothing because they want the
country to fail (And continue to get paid for causing it to fail....Now the Democrats will tackle #2 problem.Thank you for taking
Yeah, Nancy Pelosi looks young for 70 because she has a good plastic surgeon,
she can afford it because the tax payers pay her salary, mon ey is no object.
Wow, maybe I can get plastic surgery in a few years, it must be covered by the
new health bill! What a wonderful thing "free" healthcare is going to be!
Future generations will handle the black hole of debt that this bill will sink
us further into, and our government will control every aspect of life, but hey,
if I can get something for nothing, why worry!
If Republicans really cared about fixing the health care problem they would have
done it from 1994-2006 when they had total control of the house, senate and
whitehouse.Republicans don't know how to fix anything without first
lining thier own pockets and those of their friends.
Right wing America has lost again. Same team, different coaches, and they're
still losing. It's like watching the Cubs.They don't appreciate how
a black president can do what's best for all Americans. They still want to
control it all. What babies! What's the Tea Party, Glenn Beck and
Sarah Palin gonna do now?
It seems clear, that this bill and most of the other endeavors of the Obama
administration are skillfully and intentionally designed to weaken America.
They can't stand America as a place of individual freedom and hope our enemies
will soon be able to bring us into submission. Before you dismiss me as crazy
of fanatic, think about it. Is treason too strong a word?
A few years ago my 50 year old cousin in Norway died of cancer. You cannot make
a direct doctor appointment there. Instead, you must make an appointment to
make an appointment. Then you wait to be contacted by someone with the power to
make an appointment with the doctor for you. She wasn't given an appointment
until it was far too late. I suppose that's one way to control costs.
Socialized medicine is scary. It's supposed to provide medical care for all.
It certainly didn't help my cousin. Is this where we're headed?
What are all you Americans whining about? So you will get a little fine for not
having insurance? big deal! Everyone will have a right to health care now. Talk
about selfish. I can't believe all the negativity over a bill, that will
actually help everyone in a positive way. Finally someone is looking out for the
people. Get a life all you negative republicans!
Moderate reasoned approach to healthcare is rejected by Tea Party/Glenn Beck
disciples. The facts are ignored in favor of rhetoric. People are entitled to
opinions, but not facts. The facts support this action--the crying, screaming
and irrationality on the Tea Party side of this are very telling. It is
desperate, myopic, and uninformed.
You now must purchase health insurance because your insurance
“substantially affects interstate commerce.” Section 1501 of
ObamaCare states: “Health insurance and health care services are a
significant part of the national economy. National health spending is projected
to increase from $2.5 trillion, or 17.6 percent of the economy, in 2009 to $4.7
trillion in 2019. Private health insurance spending is projected to be $854
billion in 2009, and pays for medical supplies, drugs, and equipment that are
shipped in interstate commerce. Since most health insurance is sold by national
or regional health insurance companies, health insurance is sold in interstate
commerce and claims payments flow through interstate commerce.”Similarly, therefore, federal law should require us all to eat our vegetables.
Food production and consumption are a significant part of the national economy.
National foodstuff spending will increase from many billions of dollars, and a
large percent of the economy, in 2009 to many more billions in 2019. Spending
for meals pays for foods and cooking equipment shipped in interstate commerce.
Since most food is sold in national or regional food chains, food is sold in
interstate commerce and payments for food therefore flow through interstate
Mitt Romney was for the individual mandate, people, back when he was the Mass.
guv. "Some of my libertarian friends balk at what looks like an
individual mandate. But remember, someone has to pay for the health care that
must, by law, be provided: Either the individual pays or the taxpayers pay. A
free ride on government is not libertarian."Romney, WSJ editorial 2006
Republicans who were united in NOT lifting s finger to provide a single American
with healthcare...thanks for NOTHING.Red states attempting to legally
challenge the healthcare reform:ASK all your constituents whether they
want you toTAKE away 21-26yo on their parents insurance?Take away
the closing of Senior's doughnut holes in Medicare D?Take away the tax
breaks for small businesses buying employee's insurance?Take away the
pre-exisiting condition clause?Take away the caps insurance companies had
on certain diseases?YOU will lose when you take these items away,
and you know it.
This is still about losing power due to Bush Administration. Is the only
solution to paint yourself in a corner?
Nancy is so lovely - I could just break out in song. And this lovely lady has
done so much for our country lately too. Of course she is also responsible for
the darkest and most debaucherous piece legislation ever to be forced upon the
American people in 200 years.
I am amazed at the comments here blaming FOX news and hating Republicans.Have you people even read the bill and know its contents? Or are you
actually believing ABC and NBC and Obama and Pelosi that it will be good for
you. Most of the members of Congress never even read the bill. They went on
the word of Pelosi that it was good for America. I heard a clip of her
somewhere the other day saying that she had not read it, but let's pass it and
then we will figure it out. If you people think this is a good thing you must
be drunk. And to the Mom saying your missionary daughter will be covered, that
doesn't come into effect until after 2014. Pre-existing conditions - that is
only for children. It also provides the Dept. of Health will be determined what
insurance companies will cover. If you are so in favor sit down and read the
2,700 plus pages and then post how wonderful the bill is.
The sad thing is there are people that actually believe they are going to get
free health care under this bill. The insurance you now have will go up, you
have to buy insurance or pay a fine, taxes are going up, Medicare is being cut
and it does nothing to cut the "cost" of health "care". So what part of this do
people think is free? This is the biggest scam that has ever been pulled. States are already broke and this bill dumps more people into Medicaid
with no money to the states to pay for it. Good for the states for suing. I
hope the courts declare the bill unconstitutional.
I want to give a shout out to Utah's representatives who stood on the right side
of the healthcare debate. They all correctly voted "no", including one wise
democrat, and did not betray the trust of their constituents. If only the rest
of the representatives would have had the moral courage to do the same thing...
I have lived 23 years in Denmark who has Socialized medicine, and trust you me
when I say that "The Land Of The Free" is no longer free!!!Something has
to pay for all this "Free" care that some of you think we need, and that will be
the working class' tax dollars. Expect a tax increase!The waiting list for
a simple operational procedure is outrageously long, and tens of thousands of
people are forced to live a life on heavy dozed of pain medications, until
hopefully one day they can get their surgeries. By then they are pain-med
addicts!!!Obama has just ensured that The Great America got Socialized!!!
SHAME ON YOU, OBAMA, AND SHAME ON THE AMERICAN PEOPLE WHO SUPPORT THIS. The way I see it...I choose to put children in this world, and it is MY
responsibility to take care of them...not the governments! WAKE UP AMERICA
AND SEE THE PIT YOU'RE DIGGING FOR YOURSELF!!
$938,000,000,000/32,000,000 people = $29,312.50 per person. I want that health
plan! I know my total health costs for my whole family don't exceed that is
several years. Insurance companies and government inefficiency will certainly be
You're right. It's a start. When any politican attempts to and succeeds at
taking over 1/6 of the nation's economy with "a start" of a bill, then we have a
lot of good things to look forward to, don't we? I can only imagine in m worst
nightmare what the country will look like when the dog says, "ok, Nance, I'm
done. How 'bout you? Harry? Anything more you'd like?" What a watershed day
that will be!
Wrong on every count. This bill gaurentees that 300 million people will have
poor health care if any at all. This bill will cost 10 times as much as is
purported. This bill included so much more than health care; government
takeover of student loans to name one.I hope that you foolish progressives
are half as prepared as the conservatives for the comming transformation of
America that Obama promised. Weather you are or not, I'm sure the conservatives
will show compassion on you and ease your burdens through true charity, not the
government forced charity to which you so religiously subscribe.ps. take a
look at Glenn Becks program tonite and tell me he doesn't make more sense than
the spiritual marxist advisors of our president.
socialism here we come.
And a Socialist.And a Fascist. And every other epithet Tea Partyites
and Fox News Believers hurl.That's me! I'm the boogeyman, and I'm
coming to get all your reeeeeal Americans.....Get your guns.... I am a Socialist. La la la la.Ooooo! I am a Communist!! La la.I'm also a Faaaaascist!!
The republicans were remiss in not advancing some form of health reform when
they were in power. One of several reasons they were ousted. But instead of
change the Democrat controlled government has brought bad government and
irresponsible spending to a whole new level. THIS BILL DOES NOTHING TO CONTROL
COSTS. Insurance companies and pharmaceudicals (who will now get gov't
subsidies) have a huge windfall. Everyone has to buy insurance now and with
government imposed provisions, premiums will go way up; and still no interstate
competition. At least the GOP would have allowed market forces to lower costs of
health care. If the goal was to provide for those who can't afford insurance,
that could have been done at a fraction of the cost of this one trillion dollar
bureaucratic monster. That should tell you, independently thinking public, that
this really isn't about helping the poor at all. It is about control of all the
American people. Please take off your partisan glasses and see this for what it
Liberals stand for reform and progress.Way to go liberals!
Thank you, Obama, for doing in 2 years... what Bush could not do in
Utah, turn off the Antichrist Glenn Beck and you will be much happier. Me
goodness, we are paying for the uninsured every time they walk into an emergency
room. And for all of you hateful people, this will start the documentation
process of everyone that is in the country without permission. Read the bill,
before you open your mouth.....FOX news isn't even close to correct on this
jab Obama made to the Supreme Court during his state of the union speech? There
will be payback for that insult....just wait and see.Oh by the
way...for all of you who did not do so well in U.S. History in school, there are
three co- equal branches of government. Our system is not ran by one person or
a handful of self-annointed do gooders.
Look at the shape Medicare and social security are in. The federal government
has run them in the ground and now they want to be over an even bigger insurance
program? Wait until businesses hire less people since they will be forced to get
insurance for them or small businesses will close because they can't make it
under this insurance plan. How about higher insurance premiums for smokers,
oveweight or other bad lifestyle choices? Oh Pres. Obama you need to pay more! I
work in a nursing home and it is amazing people on oxygen who go outside to
smoke! And they are on medicaid and we pay for they care! People need to take
ownership of their health and lives, not the government!
What!? Pelosi's one of the most despicable, tyrannical, hypocritical, people in
this country. What ever gave you the grand delusion that Obama is Pro-Life? He
has openly expressed his Pro-Choice views and wants to make abortions free for
everyone? Your "beautiful" Pelosi feels the same way.to: Hlth Ins 4
missionaries: " . .health care in the U.S. . . is not available to most
Americans." That is just plain false! 85-90 % are insured. I am a doctor
and I know for a fact that the uninsured and insured alike get seen and taken
care of. There are already laws that require that. With regard to
mortality--that is not a measure of quality of healthcare, let alone remotely
accurate. You have been listening to your buddy Michael Moore too much.Every one of you posers (excuse me, I mean posters) that think health
care is better where it is socialized have not lived in a country where
socialized medicine exists. Well, I have and I can tell you that the quality in
terms of access and availability is literally decades behind the U.S.
"Civilizations die from suicide, not by murder."
My daughter leaves on a mission in three weeks. I am pleased that the new
legislation allows us to keep her on our insurance policy up to age 26. We had
worried about what would happen when she turns 23 next summer on her mission and
still has more college left after she returns. Every advanced free
democracy except the US has at least some sort of national health insurance, if
not a more government-involved system (like the Veterans Administration health
system--in which the doctors are actually government employees). In ALL of those
30+ countries, their citizens live longer than Americans and infant mortality is
lower than in the US. The best health care in the US is the best in the world,
but it is NOT available to most Americans. I know that the mention
of the situation in "other countries" poisons the argument for many people who
want to believe that everything is always better in American. But, if you look
at levels of health in the rest of the free world, you will see that we are FAR
from the top. 35th in life expectancy. 33rd in infant mortality. We are NOT the
80% of Americans opposes this bill. And 90% of numbers are made up
on the spot. The only thing I care about is that my insurance keep me for
when I get sick. That, has now changed. Thank you Mr.
Please site source of 938 billion dollars... cannot find it. Thanks!!
After eight years of Bush in the White House, no wonder, Republicans are so
scared. Eight years drinking the Kool-Aid of fear,suspicion and paranoia.Now you can relax.....Communism and socialism are not part of the Obama
agenda. Those are lies from your Republican leaders.The Health Bill is
good for you, for all Republicans and Democrats,me, and the whole country.I'm sorry to be patronizing, but, you are really acting...how to say it? not
very smart.Today is a good day to celebrate.
All you GOP Rethuglican supporters the big question I have is this:If you are all so worried about the cost of this health care bill do realize
your hero GWB gave the Iraqi’s free health care. So you are telling
Americans do not deserve good health care like the Iraqis. The Iraq war cost
our country 2 trillion in American Tax Payer Money and over 4000 American lives.
None of you have any room to talk about fiscal responsibly, no room
what’s so ever. Someone should go to jail over the lies told; to go to
war with Iraq. That will turn out to be the greatest crime of this century!
Wow, a 70 year old lady is not only Speaker of the House but also one of the
most beautiful people in our country, is this country great or what???? I also
applaud and thank our former governer Leavitt for he also truly wants health
care for all. In fact, can't we all agree that we all want health care for
all????????? We all agree on that. Fewer people are smoking and anyone over
age 40 knows drinking isn't good for the body; we are becoming healthier and
thanks to science (and miracles) we are attacking disease better. I like Obama
because I don't think people should have to declare bankruptcy just from having
kids born. Obama is pro-life just as I believe all of our president have been.
Woe...to them that take away the right from the poor of my people. What right
was Isaiah talking about??? I don't exactly know, but we know poor people get
trampled on time and time again. It will take 3 branches of government to turn
this around, so plan on that never happening. I can see GOP candidate running
for president in 2012 while also sueing the USA, that will be one smooth
candidacy. Some DEMS may go down to defeat, but this law will stand and be
added upon. Before the GOP ever gets power again, they will have to offer
alternative plan, and that is something we are all waiting to see. Because of
what Obama did today, we will now have extra money in future for tax cuts and
war if we need it. If we did not act, we no longer afford anything. You got
to love Isaiah and Nephi.
What planet are you living on dude? Have you ever been to any Europeon country
(that has sold their souls to socialism)? And lived there for any extended
period of time, and no, 2 week vacations do not count. The whole system is a
total disaster...I lived in England for 18 months back in the 1980's, and saw
socialize medicine at its' worst. One close friend had cancer in one of his
legs, that require aputation (sp?). After waiting 6 long months to have this
procedure performed, had a crack-pot Dr accidently remove his good leg, then of
course the bad one as well leaving this poor sod a "stump" if you will. This
medical incompetence was a direct result of a gov't funded health care that our
loser, left wing idiots from the Democratic side of the isle just signed into
law. Congratulations to signing all of us up to becoming dirt poor, without the
right to live our own lives, and kissing our already depleated resources to a
bunch of mindless idiots who were only trying to save face from the debacle this
first year has been...they've just commited political suicide!!!
A sad day for left-handers when one of their own signs such an affront to the
For those who are about to jump off a cliff because you feel this will ruin the
country... Well the good news is... you're covered!
I'm not sure how this new policy will play out, BUT I'm willing to give it a
chance. For decades both parties have attempted some form of change or reform.
They have given the caretakers of the health industry plenty of opportunities to
fix the problems. Because of their own failures the gov't was forced to do
something. Again, I'm not sure if this is good or bad, but I'm willing to see
what happens. I wish more Americans were willing to do the same!!! Are we that
afraid of our own small piece of the American Dream pie? I have been without
health insurance and now have it. I can see both sides of the arguement. Like
Voltaire, I'm willing to be tolerant towards new ideas until proven false.... or
perhaps, proven true!
Obama lied and fooled most of the people once but he and Pelosi will not fool
many of the people in November.
I am so proud of President Obama I am glad I voted and campaign for this man.
He has proven to be one of hardest working Presidents since LBJ. I now a lot of
you GOP supporters think the whole world is going to fall apart. However, this
man cares so much for people who do not have a voice when it comes to big
corporations. Most of you judging by your comments do not even know how the
bill is going to improve your lives. I talk to a women yesterday her
husband can’t get insurance he has diabetes the insurance company always
denies him coverage. Amazingly she and husband are self-employed and she is
real worried her husband is going to get sick. This health care plan will
really help them. I just wish you conservatives would open your own
eyes instead of repeating everything here from Doug Wright, Limpballs and Fox
I walked to campaign for Obama, I talked to campaign for Obama, I put my money
where my mouth was and today he made me VERY PROUD to be a patriotic American.
Thank you President Obama, Rep Nancy Pelosi, And my undying respect for Rep
Harry Reid. You will go down in history as true Americans.
This is a great idea...now how much more are we in debt. This isn't a game of
golf...we are not trying to have the highest "in the hole" score. When Obama
looks back at his presidency, what will he point to...probably HIS healthcare
plan which puts US further in debt. Who's going to fix the economy? If I had a
choice in priorities, our health care problems do not outweigh the now worsened
economic struggles. At least our kids will be healthy while they
are in debt. The bad side is a competitive job market will lead to people
physically destroying their bodies to save their jobs and be noticed. I feel Obama's changes are "NOW, NOW, NOW" with disregard to the consequences
they bare. Health care reform is needed...this bill was not the
First off, how many votes did Obama need from Repubicans in both houses to get
Obamacare passed? Second, how many times did the Rep party fillibuster during
the process of passing Obamacare? Third, do not parrot the liberal talking
heads, and specify which lies the Reps told and prove that they are infact
lies?Last but not least, please state how many pages of the current
version of the Bill that you have read prior to your post and then explain why
the president who promised transparency and a five day waiting period before a
bill is signed into law openly lied to the American people and why you are your
ilk are letting him get away with it.Denial is not a river in Egypt
it is a disease that has infected the cult of Obama
How long before they start complaining about all the people who still aren't
covered under this bill?
This bill certainly has some good and bad in it but I dont think it will be
repealed. As I understand it that would take a 2/3 vote in congress and even if
the Dem's take a blood bath at midterm its unlikely there will be enough votes
for a repeal. It seems we as a people need to come to understand the parts that
can be changed to create a more positive process because its unlikely its going
away anytime soon.
the Socialists are coming to get youuuuu!The Communists are taking
over!Oh, I almost forgot, so are the Fascists!Your idiocracy
has been postponed. Film at 11.
Okay okay, While I am for health care reform, can someone please explain why a
government that SCREWED UP & BANKRUPTED the postal service, social security and
med-care will magically transform itself and run health care smoothly and
efficiently? Waiting...waiting... yeah that's what I thought- I also
wonder how many people that are so happy this bill passed have actually used
national health-care in other countries and thought that the LONGER LINES and
SUB PAR service was anywhere near the health care they got in the US.
Waiting...waiting... that's what I thought.Here's another huge
thought. Who is going to fit the bill when the wealthy people in the US(they
pay the most in taxes by the way) decide that instead of giving what they earned
to government they will just move their money outside of the US (This is already
starting to happen by the way). Waiting...waiting... that's what I thought.
Higher taxes for all.This all sounds like such a great idea. I'm so
glad that it passed.
Your implied ad homenin arguments, lables and sterotyping add nothing to this
debate, but they do fully manifest your ignorance and bigotry. The
fact that a sitting US president openly lied to the American people and was
exposed for his lies in the process of forcing Obamcare upon us means nothing to
you. First, this bill in the form that was passed by both houses did not
recieve the promised 5 day period for review before Obama signs it. Lie #1.
Second, Obama promised total transparency yet CSPAN and the American people were
denied the chance to view all discussions, debates, and negotiations(more
accurately money for votes deals). Lie # 2. Obama promised that he would not
sign a bill that was not deficit nuetral, and then finances Obamacare through a
ponze scheme to hide the huge financial burden that Obamacare is going to place
on the backs of the tax payers. Here is something else that is
repugnant to anyone who cares to really think about what Obama has done.
Threats (were taking names) made to those who do not vote for Obamacare.
Senators and Reps are to represent their voting consituents-not bown down to the
Why do you think we are told so much about the King's men, the secret
combinations and the Gadianton Robbers? Mormon had seen our day and knew we
needed to be able to identify them when they would come among us.
Biden's (deleted) comment on this bill, is truly what the Democratic party has
done to the America people. If so many people are dying because of the lack of
health care, why is it not going into effect immediately. Does this show that
the Democrats are truly heartless and uncaring? Why not now?
The poor republicans. All of their constant lies, misrepresentations and
filibustering couldn't prevent the health care bill from getting signed. This
is a grand day for the American people!
None of you faux news sycophants need to worry, once Obama locks us up in
concentration camps made out of FEMA trailers and indoctrinates us to the
communist way, everything will be just fine. You'll see!
Obama held out against Fox News and their minions.We will defend
this country against the fascist Fox News believers to the last one of us.The country is under attack from Fox News. Brace yourselves for all out
I think that ignorance was a great tool for the democrats. If the American
People don't know what's in the bill, then who, besides the people who read and
listen, will stop the bill? If you want socialism, then please move to canada.
America was the greatest healthcare system in the world until two days ago.
“The American people will never knowingly adopt socialism. But, under the
name of “liberalism”, they will adopt every fragment of the
socialist program, until one day America will be a socialist nation, without
knowing how it happened. I no longer need to run as a Presidential Candidate
for the Socialist Party. The Democrat Party has adopted our platform.”
Norman Mattoon Thomas, Socialist Party candidate, 1944.
"Most Americans will for the first time be required to carry health insurance
– through an employer, through a government program or by buying it for
themselves. Those who refuse will face penalties from the IRS."Now,
that's flat unconstitutional!"The nonpartisan Congressional Budget
Office said the bill awaiting Obama's signature would cut federal budget
deficits by an estimated $143 billion over a decade."OK, let's see.
It now covers 32 million Americans that didn't have coverage before, and we'll
reduce the deficit by #143 billion? Yeah, right!What really upsets
me the most, is that the people going along with this fiasco, couldn't care less
about the constitutional violations, or the impact it will have on everyone.
The costs can do nothing but go up! This is a "first step to an eventual single
payer system" that will be controlled and run by the government" - Obama's
words, not mine.
Obama is at war against America and American ideals. 80% of Americans opposes
this bill. The American Dream used to be that a person would be able to WORK to
make a good living. Now, the way to make a good living is to reject job offers
and get as many benefits as possible while remaining unemployed. The mantra
"Vote Democrat: it's easier than working" is becoming more true than it has ever
been. In the past, you had to work in order to get money, get food, and to get
insurance. Now, the Democrats are devising a way to get all these without ever
getting a job! On top of that, they don't have to pay taxes!Sooooo,
for those who DO have a job, not only are they punished with actual work to do,
but they pay taxes. And now, they pay EVEN MORE taxes to pay for those lazy
bums who do not want to get a job. (Note: I do realize that some people can't
work, but that is what TRUE welfare is for)Gone is the American
Dream. Obama is winning the war, which means America is losing.
Time to light up a Camel in celebration of good health.
I think these boards have spun off into the twilight zone, the comments just get
more bizaar by the minute.
You know after serving in Afghanistan, I saw a lot money being thrown at the
Afghan government, there is alot money in our US government. 8 trillion dollars
was spent on two wars, rebuilding their economy (Iraq and Afghanistan), training
Afghan and Iraqi Soldiers. Yes, I think we can spend 1 trillion dollars on
AMERICANS for the next 10 years. Why do people object on saving American lives
but we supported George Bush for going to war. You know who ever is President,
Republican or Democrat, we need to support him. Every LDS president has express
their support for the US president (including President Obama), why can't the
People of Utah support this President. I always see the President and
especially Michelle Obama receiving gifts from the church for family values not
HAPPY DEPENDENCE DAY!!!!
The middle class has just about had it! Why don't the leaders of the Mormon
church ever have any comments about what's going on in the government?
You know if Martin Luther King Jr was alive today, he would be happy. This is
not only a health care bill, it is a victory for civil rights. People who are
against this bill need to visit a emergency room. You have all these people who
get hurt, are sick, and dying. Yes, you can say "I'm healthy I do not need
health insurance" but what if you get into an accident and what if you get
cancer at age 25 (yes healthy people get cancer too). How are you going to pay
right the economy has only been stuck for the past year and a half......what
planet have you been on? I guess we should have come to expect lies from the
right thats about all they have left.
Why are medical costs so high in the first place? I always here the excuse that
it's because of people that don't pay and malpractice insurance. Maybe instead
of health care reform we need lawyer reform.
Abuse of power!! We can't afford this!! It will divide the nation!! Our
children will be paying for this!! We're losing our freedoms and liberties!!
Get this clown out of office!! All of this is what I was saying in 2003 at the
start of the Iraq War and as a result of fascist laws like the Patriot Act.Where were the tea(partiers) then?We've finally joined the
ranks of the developed world by assuring adequate health care for our fellow
citizens. I'd hardly call that the end of days. Contrary to the drivel I've
read above most of Europe is doing quite well economically and extremely few
Europeans would trade places with their American counterparts.
Wait a minute what happened? I thought the world was suppose to stop spinning
and fall of it axis because of this, where is the end of the world and the
second coming the far right promised me? That’s it I am suing too.
Just like the sorry economy that has been stuck in the mud for the past year and
half, dem's now also own this health care nightmare and .... the mid term
elections are FAST approaching!!!!
A... I believe it was your heathen brethren that killed all the Indians and the
buffalo... best crack open those dusty old history books and do more than just
look at the pictures this time!!
thanks for the baseless outrageous rant. not one thing you said has any bases in
reality but thanks for playing.
RE: Henry Drummond | 10:02 a.m. March 23, 2010 Your definition of
courage is having members vote for a bill after being offered political favors
in return for their votes. That isn't courage it is a called bribery anywhere
outside of Washington DC.Government controlling health care has
already been proven to be a very bad idea. Medicare is a prime example. Only
the naive would believe this is a great day for the USA.Historic
things that occur in a corrupt manner aren't historic nor are they good for our
country. Every bill that passes in the next several months will have the same
elements of arm twisting by Pelosi and crew.
It's time to change all elected politicians, Democrat & Republican. Once in
power almost every politician thinks that now they are indispensible. And the
power alway corrupts.I propose that all voters use the following
criteria from now on, on election day. Only vote for any politician who, when
they get in the Senate or the House of Rep. will immediately start pushing for
TERM LIMITS. Term Limits are how we get the power back to the people. If every
politician knows he or she has a relatively limited time to do what they were
sent to Washington to do, then I believe they will try to do the right thing &
not just focus on getting elected again. I don't know the exact amount of time
for a term to last, but one idea is (2)6 year terms for Senators, and (4-6) 2
year terms for Representatives. No more 40-50 years in congress, it just hasn't
worked. If you agree with the above suggestion then please, share
this idea in any way possible. The time has come for real change! Let's take
our country back - NOW!
So you're proud huh? Let's go down the list shall we?Are you proud
of....1. Tax payer funded abortions which will now open the flood
gates to kill millions more children in the most ruthless ways possible? The
Hyde amendment is no more thanks to your wonderful pro abortion president. 2. Back room deals of billions of dollars used to buy off senators and
representatives in the most disgraceful way with OUR TAX MONEY! Actually, it is
the stimulus money but whose counting. OBama has taken this Chicago style of
dirty politics to a whole new level of debauchery.3. All the new taxes
being forced down the throats of middle class Americans to pay for this 3000
page lump of tyranny. Yes middle class Americans - anyone who owns a business
will be hit with the mandated insurance requirements for all their employees
PLUS the double whammy of the 250K and above tax. 250K isn't much for any
small business to have. This ought to work wonders for the economy don't ya
think?? 4. All the transparency that BO promised and then did the
opposite. I will celebrate in November !!!!
Next election will be interesting.
We have an example of conservatives values. "This is actually great that they
can't deny pre-existing conditions. I'm not buying insurance for my family until
we have an accident of some sort. That will quickly put insurance companies out
of business and we'll all be going to government doctors soon."I've
never known a conservative that wasn't always scamming to get others to pay
Obama and his Democrat co-horts are wresting power from you and me, and it will
never be given back. He's forcing us to subsidize illegal aliens and low income
people ---under guise of health care, but is really Socialism and income
redistribution. It's going to kill millions of jobs, create another entitlement
ticking time-bomb, force doctors out of practice leading to poor quality
rationing of care, will cause private insurance companies to collapse under
weight and debt of new mandates. It is simply the beginning, of the end, for
our nation as we know it. I'm so disgusted at the backroom deals, the Corhusker
Kickback, gatorade, Louisiana purchase, $100 million hospital for connecticut,
excemptions for North Dakota... It's a cmoplete, and utter outrage. They've
trampled upon the constitution and due process. If this is "Hope and CHange,"
people, I'm hoping and praying for MORE CHANGE! Boot the bums out of
Yay! What a wonderful historic day. Thank you Obama for being
willing to stand with Americans and not with Insurance Companies (like the
GOP).No more recision policies. No more exclusions for pre-existing
conditions.It's a great day :-)
I DARE you to move. You have no idea what it's like over there.
your right about one thing the "devil is in the details" like the killing of
millions of people that already lived on this land "that the Lord caused to be
discovered and set apart as a special land in the latter days." go
sale your revisonist history to someone else
It is sad to me to read so many comments from people that don't understand that
the real danger of this bill is the relinquishing of our freedoms. American can
not stand as a republic if we allow our government to dictate. When we look to
the government to fix our problems we will fall. America was built on the
philosophy that if you are willing to work hard you will reap the rewards. So
many people think they are entitled to something without having to work for it.
Healthcare is not a right but instead something that has to be worked for.
Medicare and medicaid are bankrupt. Brought to you by the same people who
brought you this 'historic legislation."
Next on the Socialist Agenda: Cap and TAX! The Government signs into law a bill
that allows the Government to enter your home at any time to "inspect" your
furnace, water heater, whatever else they dream up. If not in compliance with
the "Green Law" you will be fined every day until you are in compliance. And
you pay the cost of the inspection? Can't afford a new furnace? Too bad for
you... it's the law. This is not a joke this is in the Current House Bill! Pony
up Americans. You lose your rights, but you get to pay for everything. Ready to
be "Chipped"? Ready for the Government to track your every move?People who can not see the Guise of these Bills are not very bright. The
Constitution and your Freedoms and Rights are being removed.I
predict future happiness for Americans if they can prevent the government from
wasting the labors of the people under the pretense of taking care of them. --
so you are going to purposly try to brake the system and blame it on Obama? that
I was looking at alternative ways to pay for my health expenses without having
health insurance. In my research I found I and the doctors/nurses would have
more control over decisions. The health insurance providers pose restrictions
on certain things that could be more beneficial to us than not. As long as the
consumer understands the costs and can negotiate, it appears having no insurance
is much better. Well, now that plan can no longer exist thanks to Obama and
What a leader! His troops were in full retreat earlier this year and he marched
onto the battlefield, raised the flag, and won the day.
I'm already sick! (to my stomach) Repent now and turn to the Lord. We will
surely need him.
Doesn't it just warm the heart to see one socialist hugging another socialist?
Nancy looks so warm and charming doesn't she. I'm sure the radicals are jumping
through hoops inside the oval office today - yes sir the first big step toward
the destruction of capitalism is in place!!! Hoorah for Marxism!!!! Only one
little problem for Barack and his storm troupers... those darn law suits being
filed today by the states. Now if all 38 states file then ...oh boy... Houston
we have a problem. Actually, Obama has the problem since he is the one
attempting to destroy the US constitution and slam the states to the mat.
Nowhere in Christian religion is it taught that the government must regulate the
discipleship of Christ's followers, nor did it say we must give our goods to the
government so they could distribute them among the needy and distressed. It is
actually a person to person exchange, using our right and ability to choose for
ourselves.Obama's new plan= government requires you do it on
condition of citizenship.
We were supposed to be able to read the bill befor it became law as per Obama.
It was supposed to take 5 days it took 36 hrs. I do not like being lied to. Now
the government has more control then most relize. My grandfather was in WW2 my
brother is being shipped to IRAQ. If this is the most important thing he has
signed to date, what about all the soldiers in the middle east that are dieing
on a daily basis. Were do we rank that? He is a socialist and has a communist
member in his cabinet. This is how are freedoms are taken from us. With loud
applause from one party. My question, If you love OBAMA go and read his books?
Then let me know if you still love him?
To all those who are crying socialism: tell me what part of the Medicare
Prescription plan is capitalism and what part is socialism.
After November, the repeal process will get underway!
slash and strike again.....thanks liberal's for being so liberal to not accept
other ideas and to shove your agenda's and unattainable ideal's into our faces.
This is a very sad day for those who want freedom without socialism. Very sad.
find a sympathetic ear here in Utah, we're just like Texas (mostly uninformed
and full of ourselves).You say:"You will now be fined and/or
jailed if you do not buy health insurance"Are you sure?Where did you hear this? Could it be......Fox "News"?? You might want to
check your source, my friend.
We cannot afford this.It will raise health insurance premiums for
everyone to cover the costs of those not previously insured.It
raises taxes by creating 100 new federal agencies.It makes an
unconstitutional mandate for individuals to buy private health insurance.It does nothing to reduce health care costs.Yes this is
Obama's legacy, and it's not good.
Does anyone else think Obama's smile in the picture looks like the Grinch's evil
smile? Not in the stupid Jim Carey version, but the cool old version, based
exactly on the book?
Once again, I will say that democrats have one thing right about this horrendous
bill... it is historic. But "historic" does not always mean "good". Anyone with
any knowledge of history would know that.
Those of you who are celebrating one question please.How are
we going to pay for this? We're broke.
Barring the other rights we’ve slowly had taken away from us-the right to
vote remains intact. Whatever else we succeed in doing about this mess, there is
ultimately one very large step we can (and must) take now:This is
just the beginning of our efforts to take back our country. Consider
yesterday’s vote a clarion call and a spur to action. We will not let
America sink into further debt without a fight. We will not abandon the American
dream to government dependency, fewer freedoms and less opportunity. Change is
made at the ballot box. If we work together, we can renew our optimistic
pioneering spirit, revive our economy, and restore constitutional limits.Stand tall, America. November is coming!
We'll remember in November!Vote them ALL out!
I am reminded that, as recorded in that Book of Mormon, that the Lord
caused this land to be discovered and set apart as a special land in the latter
days.Certain moral men were called together to establish a
constitution for the governing of this special land, which would provide freedom
for the people as long as they lived according to this constitution.There has been an effort for at least a hundred years by some who call
themselves "progressives" to bypass the constitution and slowly rob the people
of their freedom bit by bit.What we saw in the vote on health care
is another step in their cause. You will now be fined and/or jailed if you do
not buy health insurance and 16,000 new IRS people are being hired and trained
to make sure you do, and that's only the beginning of your loss of freedoms in
this bill/law.As they say, "the devil is in the details". I honestly
believe that the devil's hand was in the details here as much as it was in the
choice the one third made in the pre-mortal world.
LISTEN UP PEOPLE. When they file under that class action suit. It'll first
create a new Federal Court House in the area of that State who files it, then
stuff it full of more Judicial Activist Judges, then build even a larger
Government at the same time, to make policy at the Bench, not in Congress.
Secondly, if a Family don't want this Healthcare, they'll be fined around
$2,400. The way to collect that is like with "Child Support" does. Take a Civil
Contempt, twist it around into a Criminal Contempt, threaten you with jail,
without Due Process of Law, give you 364 days max in a County Jail, (a full year
they would have to then put in prison), they can't do that, until you come up
with a "purge" of 10% of that debt, then they'll let you out of the County Jail,
to finish paying it off, only after they find out if you had the ability to pay
in the first place, and did not pay it. Wre are NOT a "Debtor Prison State", in
America, so this is there "loop-hole" they been doing since the 70's.
I had already come to terms with the idea of health care reform becoming law.
That it already has Obama’s signature on it after 36 hours (even though we
were promised 120) really doesn’t bother me…I knew this day was
coming. How it got passed is what bothers me, as does the degree to
which several of our most sacred of Constitutionally-granted rights were soundly
mocked and impugned, to varying degrees, along the way.
I can not see how access to care has been approved.So now 30 more million
people have insurance cards but it does not mean they will be able to be
seen.The problem is that physicians will not be able to care for medicare
patients if reimbursement continues to get mutilated. An already scheduled 21%
medicare reimbursement cut has nothing to due with the "new" medicare cuts to
pay for this bill. Primary care physicians are feeling the squeeze already.
Graduate numbers will continue to decline. Primary care will be done by
mid level providers. It is a sad day for health care.
Obama = SamaritanRepublicans = "priests and Levites"Enuf said.
Oh yay! The government has given health insurance to millions of uninsured
Americans.Slow down there chuckles..not quite. More like the
government has told millions of uninsured Americans "Get insurance or we'll fine
you". This bill doesn't give the uninsured anything...other than a mandate.
I will celebrate when this monstrosity is repealed by the new conservative
majority in 2010 and 2012.BTW, if healthcare reform is so great, why
isn't congress required to partake?
Glad to see there is someone else with half a brain in this state. Thanks
'This is a great days for America that took uncommon courage to bring about.'No, more like back-room deals and heavy-handed politics. Uncommon
courage is what it will take to recover from this 'great day'
Please allow me a simple question: did Jesus Christ not emphasize the care of
the poor, the needing, the sick???? should we not - first and foremost - take
care of those in distress?? How is it possible to defend a christian point of
view putting the interest of insurance companies higher than our next ones???It is - in my humble opinion - totally narrowminded and out of contact
with the reality - to call this law "intolerant" or "socialistic".
nothing to do with health care reform or the budget, in actuality.This is completely about the desire to see Obama fail. Fortunately, the
wailing on the right only highlights the extreme capability of Obama to overcome
adversity, using his God-given wisdom.The wingnuts will calm down in
time. It sure would help if they turned off Fox "News" though...
I am and always will be self pay, I pay less for healthcare than all you with
health insurance. Think for a minute if the average family has to pay $500 per
month over 12 months that is 6k per year, when the average family sees a doctor
only a few times a year. Now because of this STUPID plan those who
are smart with their money and know how the system works are being penalized for
saving money and not giving it to the government. What a waste of time and
resources for the american people. If youthink the average middle income family
is oging to be better off by this then just wait and see this will go down and
the catalyst that will end capitalism in America and start the true decline of
western civilization into what we all tried to get away from a DICTATOR!
Americans are still in the George W. Bush era of Marie Antoinette, who might
have said "let them eat MBNA". That's what too many Americans have to live on
yet today-unless they're completely maxed out!
You really need to get talking points from someone other than Kieth Olberman
Obama promise - "All bills will be posted for 5 days in their final form before
I sign them into law."Final result - 36 hours. This is
actually great that they can't deny pre-existing conditions. I'm not buying
insurance for my family until we have an accident of some sort. That will
quickly put insurance companies out of business and we'll all be going to
government doctors soon. Obamacare: Good news for people who are bad
at simple math.
this is the stupidest thing ever. I am self pay and love it. I dont pay for more
than I need and dont go to the doctor for stupid little things that can be taken
care of at home. NOW becauseof this new so called PLAN i am going to be required
to pay for everyone elses healthcare....So i am being forced to pay for more for
others with no benefits to me. Go ahead and shout for joy middle class idiots,
why dont you wake up and smell the disgusting smell of government rule and
realize that your future is being flushed down the drain because you allowed it
Where was the bill that bama had promised the American people to view and read
days befor he signed it? Just one more lie from this man. How can we trust him
with our health when he cant let the people read what we are paying for. Even
the Insurance industry lets us read what we are buying. he told us that we will
save $2500 in health insurance premiamns so as my bill is coming due who do I
send it to for the payment? probably nowhere but my own bank account because he
has lied again and had no intentions of having any one but me pay for it.Just
words just words to get some of you fo follow him to the so called promised land
only to find it hot air and broken promises.
Give me a break. Don't intermingle these two. Were the revolutionists sinners
then because they threw off their oppressive government? Of course not, it was
actually inspired by God. Did the Anti-Nephi-Lehies obey the laws
when their leaders were lording over them with unrighteous laws? No they did
not. Did the revolutionists commit . . . TREASON when they felt they were being
taken advantage of? They did! Don't be silly(and silly was used to
They could have easily solved the problem with the 8-10 million who are truly
unable to get insurance for whatever reason with a tenth of the cost of this
boondoggle. This isn't about improving healthcare, this is about government
control, no matter what these pompous, arrogant frauds want you to think.There is not a thing in this bill that gets to the root of higher health
costs-government mandates and insurance fraud. Nor is there anything that
prevents these shyster lawyers from continuing there sham lawsuits. The Dems and
their trial lawyers have won again, to the detriment of this country.Breakdown-You don't have a clue of what you are talking about.
It's what we celebrate about that matters. Obama, after signing this bill into
law handed out the historic pens that he used to make this the law of the
nation. What a historic day this is. Many are feeling happy, yet others are sad.
I can remember when George Bush started his little war in Iraq. Some of my
neighbors were running around the street knocking on doors to tell us that the
war had started and how proud they were to be American. Well, I was not proud
that day like some, but I can tell you this, I have never been more proud to be
an American than today. And, it seems that my friends that celebrated when Bush
started bombing Iraq are not too proud to be American today. It seems strange to
me how we can have such opposite ways of thinking. Today the Democrats are happy
that they were able to bring us this much needed reform. And on the same day the
Republicans are depressed about a victory that helps so many people.One mans win is another mans loss. So ask yourself, what kind of
news makes you happy?
or give me death"! History will relive itself.
Well people this is not about Rep Vs Dem that is just the distraction that is
supposed to be there for none of us to see what this really is. This is a scary
time for our country, it’s sad that I have heard him say "this is the most
important thing in his Presidency”, well what about the two wars that he
has done nothing about and the Soldiers dying over there in foreign lands I
guess they aren’t that important. Well the only reason this passed was to
distract us from what is going on in the world. Yea Mrs. Clinton is in talks
with Russia about the problem in Iran, well here comes the 3rd war we will be
involved in, but at least we have health care.Oh by the way I am neither
Democrat or Republican, just like I asked my 8th grade history teacher 30 years
ago when he told me I had to be one or another I had to choose, “why
can’t I just be American?” Dems or Reps you are all the same
Yeah, so its the FOX-Conservatives against the USA. Problem with that, 60% of
the USA is conservative and watch Fox news. So yeah, BRING IT! Whats MSNBC and
Your lack of knowledge in the realm of economics is astounding. It pained me to
read such an ignorant remark. And your mingling religion with a
method to offset costs was ludicrous. Hopefully you are not in a position to
give financial advise to others. If you are, I fear for those in your path,
because it is simply the blind leading the blind.
rant and rave, rant and rave, I am loving every minute of it!
how the Federal Gov't will soon "own" this country and everyone in it. Being
taxed to death! It is becoming quite obvious that people will not stand for it
To everyone that is celebrating the new healthcare plan: I wish you would just
rob me in person, because voting to take away my money and give it to yourself
is no different!!! I can't afford my own insurance, but now I will pay a
2500.00 fine per year to pay for yours. Fantastic. Don't fool yourself into
thinking it will be paid for with government money. There is no such thing! It
will be paid for with yours and your neighbors money.
Three cheers for Obama and Pelosi for pulling this off! It is nice to know that
we have couragous leaders, even if we do not sometimes deserve them.
I am currently paying $125 per month in insurance. It will now go up to over
$400 per month. This will ONLY reward the insurance companies. If you don't have
medical insurance then you will pay a penatly. If we are going to have this bill
then we need to get rid of the insurance companies and just pay the money
directly to the hospitals and doctors. Remove the middle-man. I'm in favor of
the health care but this is not the best way to do it. I hope other states join
in on the litigation.
Thank you Mr. Obama!
What a great day for America! Obama finally did what no republican
administration has been able to do. Health Care Reform!!!!!!!!!!! I have never
been more proud to be an American.
Fox News Listeners: 100% against Obama and health care reform.Non-Fox News Listeners: 90% for some form of health care reform.It's the Fox-Republicans vs. the U.S.A.I say, bring it on!!
November is coming. Bob Bennett needs to be the first to go, followed by many
Healthcare is NOT a right... Just like Driving isnt a Right. Should I look to
the Government to Buy me a nice car? nope, it would probably fall a part if i
got one from them. Besides, IF the congress (and President) wanted
everyone to have healthcare why not broaden the requirements to Medicaid and
Medicare? ( ya know..the ones the seniors get) It makes me sick to see this
country being taken over by those who are anti american (i guess we should of
listened to Ezra Taft Benson)
It's the end of the world as we know it. I'd much rather live under the thumb
of the health insurance cartel and their nay-saying partners, the Republican
We believe in honoring, obeying and sustaining the law. To those concerned of
health companies stocks, they are going to soar; now there is no longer doubt
and uncertainty, they can plan accordingly. Stock prices have gone up up up
the last 2 weeks and will now really go up up up. The more people are in work
force, the better the economy; and few can work with bad health.
This is how Capitalism ends-- with thunderous applause from the White House and
House Democrats. This is the beginning of a new Empire, with Emperor Obama
watching every aspect of our life. Big Brother will keep watching.
This is a great days for America that took uncommon courage to bring about.It ought to be commemorated, as the Day of Deliverance by solemn Acts of
Devotion. It ought to be solemnized with Pomp and Parade, with Shews, Games,
Sports, guns, Bells, Bonfires and Illuminations from one End of this Continent
to the other from this Time forward forever more. You will think me transported
with Enthusiasm but I am not. Through all the Gloom I can see the Rays of
ravishing Light and Glory. I can see that the End is more than worth all the
Obamacare will require over 1000 new gov't agencies with tens of thousands of
new gov't jobs required. NEVER has government been able to deliver ANYTHING
with any acceptable level of efficiency. I am scared spitless for my children
and grandchildren having to pay the HUGE taxes.
I'm a republican and I think it is about time our health care is made available
to the middle and lower class. WAY TO GO ABAMA!!! Thanks for passing something
to help all Americans. I hope to see a future of health care that really CARES.
Yes, please. Do you remember Churchill's "V" for victory? Let's
bring that back."V" for voice- we have to be heard"V" for
vote- let's take back our governmentWe have to be active and stay
involved. Too much complacancy has led us to where we are today. No more.
A sad day for those who love freedom.
Hooray!Yes there will be problems, foreseen and unforeseen, that
need to be fixed, but the die is cast. A better future awaits, be happy!
is needed for this country as the downward spiral definitely continues. The
Mayans say 2012, but I think it is more like 2017. I really wish these idiots
that supposedly run things would realize who is in charge.
Anybody who supports this bill, did you watch what happend to the Health Care
and Pharmiscutical sectors on monday? Go to the GOPs official website and see
the GOP health care plan. Its simple and would greatly bring down costs and save
jobs. Unlike this 3000 page monstocity. The GOP Plan never made it to the
Mainstream, why you ask? Well the media is becoming state controled. NBC, ABC,
and CNN are all left leaning and countinue to indoctinate (There's that word
again) the American people with Obama/Liberal propiganda. Look how much they
didnt cover the million plus tea party goers on September 12, 2009. Liberal and
Socialist (dont confuse the two) agendas dont work. Look at Europe for example.
Many countries are threatening to go into default. Even the EU is stating it has
alot of problems. The EURO might implode leading to an economic collapse that
hasnt been seen since the 1940's. This country was founded on Conservative
principles and the Constitution. Its that way for a reason, changing it will
lead the USA towards what is happening in the European Union.
Obama = Intolerance of America and freedom.Government is the worst manger
of business affairs.Go celebrate with 20% of the US while the other
80% prepares to get this country back inline with the divine intent of the
constituion.Proud to be an a american where once again soon we will
How are we going to pay for this with 10% unemployment? Sorry Roger your health
care costs for your business are going to go up not down and your health care
will decrease. Why are we so concerned about health care now when our economy is
in the tubes? Because if they can control your health care they can control your
whole life by dictating what you can eat, own, and activiteis you can
participate in. Mark my words this has nothing to do with health care but with
control over YOU!!
The Panama Canal was not a give away. It was the United States honoring a long
time lease contract that it had with the Panamanian people. This incident was
used to politically damage Carter. And, it was successful in fooling a lot of
people, including, it would seem, you.
I'm trying to see the upside to this:- taxes go up- insurance companies go out of business (and those people lose their jobs- Millions more in line to get care - I think I'll need to schedule an
appointment a year in advance- Oh, yes, you'll have to wait for
treatment - hope you don't die while doing that- Medical
professionals leaving the profession - so fewer doctors to see you and your
ailmentHmm, sounds great to me.
At first glance, I thought the headline read, "Obama to sign health bill,
celebrate with aliens."
Seriously, Obama=intolerance?? I suppose you didn't hear the racial and
homophobic slurs thrown at Democratic members of Congress on Saturday?? Also,
let's not forget "Baby Killer" being yelled at Rep. Stupak on the floor of the
House. But yet, you call Pres. Obama intolerant??
Health Care Is not a right. Health care is not just insurance companies trying
to make a buck. We do not need this. What riles me is to pay $200 to take my
kid to a doctor when I know she has strep but the only way to get a prescription
is to see a doctor. The drug only cost $7. We need to change the way we do
things and start listening to people.
And whose money is paying for this celebratory gala? Does anyone ever stop to
think how many hours we work so that the government can wine and dine, using our
money? Does anyone stop to think that we are being robbed to pay for their
lifestyle? And they just keep on taking. If you really care about your
neighbor, you will give your money to organizations that do the most good; fast
offerings, the road house, the red cross as well as give man hours at the food
bank, etc. The government will NOT spend wisely what they have taken from us.
For anyone that thinks they have helped someone in need by giving more to the
government, you are misguided. While you watch the politicians party, know that
glass of wine they are sipping is compliments of your tax dollar. They are
laughing in our faces.
Re:Roger; The so called plan just shoveled hundreds of millions of dollars to
both, the insurance co.s and big pharma. In addition because of the
unconstitutional mandates, the insurance co.s will make more money yet. The One,
took everyone to the cleaners, and they don't know that their pants are down!
Time to move out of the country, Iraq soundes better then Obama land.
GO OBAMACARE GO!This is Awesome! The more the republicants rant and
rave, the more I like it!!!!
to defeat Obama politics in all its forms Obama = intolerance
Does anyone remember the "PANAMA CANAL GIVE-A-WAY??Just for a refresher the
majority of the senate that voted for that treasonus act went down in defeat the
next election.Does history repeat??
about time we joined the rest of the industrial work. We are already paying for
those who use the emergency room for care so this bill might actually save
Throw them all out.
The bill is not perfect, but it's better than the Republican plan of helping the
insurance companies rip off the middle class. I was without coverage for 15 days
this month, and it was scary. I've worked hard all my life and had a
small business in the Fashion Place Mall. Over the last five years, I've seen my
life savings greatly diminished by the cost of health insurance.Health care is a right. Every compassionate person believes it is a right for
children. Then why not for 20-year-olds? If it is a right for old people (I'm
64), then why not for a 40-year-old?
The way to affordable health care is to end insurance. It has not stopped
various errors etc. Insurance is unnecessary and increased the cost of all
phases of medical treatment making it horrendously expensive. The solution is
in the hands of the people. God says, ye are saved by faith. Insurance is
faith in the devil’s ability to cancel God’s promises of protection
and healing. Insurance disconnects our faith in God. Divine-Way, a .com shows
Ammunition Against Passed Health Care Reform and why it is vitally important to
use it NOW.Insurance is in about every phase of buying and selling
most things, we are employed almost for the purpose of paying insurances. If
those with faith concentrate on the power of their God, they would end
insurance. It would be like a giant raise because the price of everything could
fall sharply without affecting profits.We need someone in the White
House NOW who knows the power of God and how to use it to lead the people to end
the oppressions we brought upon ourselves by unbelief. Our politicians need to
focus on God’s solutions; there be more with us than against us.